It’s not the taliban but it should be, it went to a doc who performed not only illegal abortions but regular abortions?! What the fuck! I am now ashamed of this award that Canada gives out and people should be! Why not give it to murderous people in Canadian history? I’m sure there are more heros in our country like soliders or moms etc that deserve the award more! Next time why not give it to someone more muderous than that doc! If you need to get an abortion why not think of birth control or better yet don’t do it at all?! why kill innocent lives??
This article appears in Jul 3-9, 2008.
Spoken like a man, and that is all. Good job!
Ever notice that most “pro-lifers” are men, or elderly women?
if men could get pregnant this wouldn’t even be an issue. also, we’d have birth control that was 100 per cent reliable all the time, have found a more comfy solution to pads and tampons, and a system that works for mat leave….woo I think I just used all my feminist points for the next decade…ps didn’t we already have this thread? someone REALLY hates abortion, now don’t they? the solution to that is really simple: DON’T GET ONE. and when someone you care about accidentally gets pregant, you know, make them keep that spawn they don’t wnt and can’t care about, because after all, abortion is just wrong (rolls eyes).
I think the Order of Canada should go to Ginger.
Qwerty thanks sweetness at least i didn’t kill anyone
but nor have you done something truly meaninfull to change the fabric of our country…which is why morgetnaller got the award.
why not give it to any other murderer hedgy? Does it make it right that if you can’t choose between birth control or not then that makes you mentally retarded!! Why should children have to suffer because you can’t close your legs for one night of passion? too cheap to buy protection?
PS if that abortion doc is what helps change Canada then i’m ashamed of Canada..yes I’m a pro lifer.
When did they change the criteria for mental retardation?!!?!I need to go for a check-up…
yeah I sort of figured you were one of ‘those’ gingy………now we’ve already had this thread a couple of days ago,a nd I don’t want to repeat myself BUT: birth control is NOT 100 per cent effective 100 per cent of the time. accidents happen, even to people who use condoms/the pill regularily. should these people have to raise children they don’t want or can’t support because of probability? and if you’re so concerned about abortion being used as birth control, are you anti-pill or anti-condom, when used to prevent pregnancy, too? technically there are thousands of babies being ‘murdered’ each time a guy gets off and DOESN’T fertalize an egg..also, what about rape? yes yes I know only like 1 per cent of abortions are the result of rape, but that’s based on an archaic definition of rape that doesn’t take into account intimate partner assualt…about one in 6 women in Canada has had this happen, and about 80 per cent of those AREN’T reported. should someone have to keep a baby that’s the result of that, or even just a relationship that has broken down, leaving them unable or unwillingt o support a child?the crux of all of this is the idea of choice. who is anyone else to determine whne it’s OK for someone else to do something like this? it’s a personal choice, and the only one who can make it is the women, in that moment, in that particular unique circumstance. not the government, and definatly not people like you ginger. i always find it funny how quickly those people who are pro life redraft their opions when someone they care about gets pregnant and might appreciate havign teh option. is abortion right for everyone? no. should it be the first solution? definatly not. but should it exist as an option? YES. and because of people like morgentaller who crusaded and risked his own life and freedom, canadian women have the right to choose for themselves! that makes me proud to be a Canadian. when we start makign those choices for other people., we make it too difficult for people who NEED abortions to get them.
People who get way too wrapped up in and excited about other people’s private matters are generally sad, lonely, bored people with way too much time on their hands, and for whom it is far easier to continuously point their fingers and wave their bibles in other people’s faces, rather than face what it is that’s making them such a miserable, bitter a-hole in the first place.But what really intrigues me is how the OP came p with their name. The simple beauty and eloquence of the phrase “…or maybe I should piss on Canada for that stupid award given” has me rendered breathless… There is only one among us who could turn a phrase so daring and so bold, yet able to capture such melancholy with such poignancy.Bravo indeed.
and oh ginger? what makes you think people will suffer less if you remove the right to control their own bodies from women? will that child have a better life if that teen mother, that univeristy student, that working woman,t hat married women who just doesn’t want kids, or that victim of rape or WHOEVER doesn’t abort? how on earth can you know that- are you omnipotent? and I really don’t see all those prolifers stepping up to adopt all the unaborted fetus’ they want to save oh so badly. and they are definatly not around to help those mothers who decide to keep their babies support the child, raise it properly, and still have a life themselves. becuase that’s what so many people forget- yes, the child may get life but at the cost of the mothers. is that worth it? that’s a decision only that woman can make.
I just want to know which children are suffering as a result of abortion? What children? What suffering?This argument makes zero sense.
Bravo Qwerty… I think you nailed that one…
hedgy don’t you see the woman has the control all along.. the right to use birth control and protection or not. Why on earth would a woman other than medical reasons want to abort such a beautiful thing as life? Where woud you be if your mother aborted you? I think it is a senseless act. A woman can have control over her uterus just by saying no hon not tonight, i’m not ready to be a mom. easy.
why not give unwanted children up for adoption to good families who are infertile? Again why create a life only to abort it, doesn’t make sense to me.
Easy enough to say Gingy, when you’re not getting laid.I was pro-life when I was a kid. Then I had sex. After that… not so much.
I think it’s important to remember that before a fetus leaves the womb, it is not a child/baby. It’s a fetus. If you’re for the whole “fetus has rights” thing, then fine, but when it’s sittin’ there in the uterus, it’s not a baby.
Qwerty hon, sweetness, baby-doll, my sex life is non of anyone’s business, secondly why not continue your pro life? i’d make an exception in your case and Floyd’s too bad you weren’t aborted, but still non the less you are here.
Funny you should mention that I should have been aborted… Ginge… Because actually they DID attempt to abort me… But that was quite along time ago and the procedure had not yet been perfect… So it was indeed a tragic failure that I survived…
wow ginge, did you miss the whole section of my previous post where I discuss the fact birth control is NOT 100 per cent effective 100 per cent of the time….and we’ve progressed as a society, both socially and technologically, to the point where female sexuality is no longer shackled to our reproductive systems. now, we have condoms, we have the pill, we have the morning after pill, and as a last ditch we have abortion- meaning women, just like men, can make sexual disisions based on their desires and emotions. there are consequences, and most women understnad and take the neccessary precautions- but when something goes wrong, there is abortion. I’m just going to say it bluntly because you probably aren’t capable of seeing grey area: life is not always beautiful. sometimes it’s the wrong time. sometimes it’s the wrong person. and sometimes it’s just wrong. does life begin at conception? maybe. but I believe that up anduntil that baby is out of that womb, the health, happiness, and welfare of the mother should come first- the baby is, until birth, an extension of her body, and she can choose what she wants to do or not do with that body. and the whole give it up for adoption argument? how many kids are there waiting for adoption now, that aren’t cute little babies, and will likely spend most of their lives in the system? the world is overpopulated as it is- sometimes it’s MORE responsibile not to bring another life into the world, and no, we have the technology now to mean women can enjoy sex and not always have to have a baby. also, remember: even if the mother gives the baby up for adoption, there’s still 9 months of pregancy. and the mother may not be physically, financially, or emotionally ready to do that- let alone the social, familial, educational, and career consequences of being pregnant. 9 months could in many cases derail a women’s life entirely- is it worth it when a women has the right, thanks to morgentaller, to nip the problem in the bud? ps don’t try to sweet talk me gingy-baby- I’m a girl, and I’m guessing since you seem to ahve born-again, jesus-loves-me-more-than-you conservative leanings you’re not so into the love that dare not speak it’s name 😉
Dr Morgantauler has empowered Canadian women regardless of the many SMALL opinions on that subject.The leader of a pro-lifer group said on Canadian national television, “Paul Bernardo is a dream compared to Morgantauler” (or something close to that). Pro-lifers run a worthy cause and power to them, however, comparing a brutal sex offender / murderer as preferential to a man made unpopular because he stood up for women… suddenly I’m very afraid.
people also forget that no, morgentaller wasn’t campaigning to kill babies- he was fighting to give women the choice, and make canada the first western country with no legal sanctions against women who have a safe, professional abortion sans coat hanger and back alley, or the brave doctors who perform them. he also said soemthing like ‘every child should be wanted’: becuase of what he did, women can choose when they get pregnant, so when they do have children, it’s the right time, those babies are wanted 100 per cent from the get go, and can be a joy, not a burden.
oh please give women a choice???? I can see for medical or if you were raped but please if you have sex be responsible and use protection if not close your legs! say no rather than oh yes!
do you even READ people’s responses to your drivel???? I, and other, have said it multiple time: birth control is NOT 100 per cent effective, 100 per cent of the time! mistakes happen, unavoidable mistakes even to the most responsible women who yes, want to enjoy a sex life BEFORE they’re ready to give birth. abortion is the very last thing in a long list of things to help women enjoy sex while still being responsible, and give them control over their own bodies.read the posts before you comment you wack job. maybe if you had some sex you’d unwind enough to actually take in information isntead of just spouting the same mindless badly punctuated things over and over
ps this might be too much for your little brain to handle, but when you start restricting who can have access to abortion services, it becomes a very slippery subjective slope. medical reasons- who is to say what a good medical reason is? there ar elots of reasons, and if you leave the decisions about whether someone ‘deserves’ an abortion up to a doctor or politician, their own beliefs and opinions will come into play, and can be forced on others. same with rape- what if the doctor doesn’t believe youw ere raped? what if you were raped by a husand or boyfriend? can you still get an abortion>this is a huge muddle and again: THE ONLY PERSON WHO CAN AND SHOULD MAKE THAT DECISION IS THE PERSONHAVING THE ABORTION!
A while ago, years now, one of my grandsons came to me and told me that his girlfriend was pregnant. He was afraid to tell his parents. He was only 19, she 18. He was scared but he loved the girl. So he got a second job and started planning for his child. He never got a chance to tell his folks. About two months after he told me about the baby the girl had an abortion. He was completely devastated. I still think about that baby as I’m sure he does. I am not a pro-lifer (even though I am a little old woman) I am pro choice. Horrible things happened to young women back in the day. Yes, coat hangers and bleach. However, I believe it is unfair that the men in these situations are given no choice at all.
Um, Hedgyhog, to answer a few of your questions: 1. Ginger IS capable of seeing the grey areas on this issue- after all, she DID state that abortion is ok if it were Floyd or Qwerty that was aborted. So the next time I get knocked up, I’ll make sure to check during the ultrasound if the fetus resembles a floyd or a qwerty. If so, they must die. Sorry guys, no offense. It’s just God’s will. According to Ginger, who must know since she uses an awful lot of exclamation marks!!!!!?2. No, she doesn’t read what other people write. The voices in her head tell her what we write. Thusly, she is able to demonstrate her stunning powers of observation with witticisms such as: “if you can’t choose between birth control or not then that makes you mentally retarded!!” Thank-you Ginger. I’d honestly never reflected on the subject in that unique way. I now have to re-evaluate my entire belief system.
Be ashamed all you want. Your opininion on abortions is pointless. He isnt given the order for what he does for a living. That is not what the order is about. He is given the order of Canada for his willing to stand up in what he believes in. He is given the order of Canada because he was a leader in a paticular field of medicine. The order of Canada isnt a religious based award. So anyone that used a religious reason for not agreeing with abortion, fuck yourself. The vote was taken back in the 80’s and is done. You have to live with it. Preston Manning and Conrad Black also have received this same award, as did Randy Bachman. I might not like some of the policies that Preston Manning had, nor am i cool with the heavy handed way Conrad Black does his thing. I didnt like the music Randy Bachman put out nor did i support his 70’s drug use. All three however made incredible contributions to our society. Morgentaler showed that women should have the right to chose what to do with thier own bodies. I might not agree or disagree with it, but that is irrelevant. Unlike many of you whiney people that complained about it, you didnt go to jail to stand up for what you believe. You didnt take what you thought all the way to the supreme court.
It’d be great if all of these stupid, promiscuous people would just have these babies. They might be irresponsible when it comes to opening a condom, but their natural parenting skills will come to them… I’m sure.
IMA I grieve for your baby and what could’ve been your grandchild, if you are old enough to have sex then you’re old enough to take care of the child, and your grandson was doing the right thing unfortunately his so called girlfriend was probably forced by her parents to have the abortion. I really do feel for your grandson what a horrible thing to happen 🙁
‘forced’ by her parents? what??? and yeah, Ima, it’s nice your grandson wanted to raise that baby- but really, was he ready for it? what would his life have been like if they had kept it? how would it have changed? it’s nice that he was a responsible person who felt a connection to his potential child- but in the end, I think maybe his gf did the right thing. just becuase you have an emotional response to something doesn’t mean it’s the right thing to do. listen: just becuase you are physically old enough to procreate doesn’t mean it’s the right time, or the right circumstances to do so. LOTS of people have abortions in their 20’s, their 30’s, whenever, not because they aren’t ‘old’ enough to have the baby, but because they don’t want it at that moment or at all. that’s a choice. nad just becuase you don’t want children doesn’t mean you can’t have a sex life- particularly today when more and more people are waiting longer and longer to get married or otherwise settle down. does it mean becuase I’m not sure I want kids at all, or at least nowhere in the next decade, that I shouldn’t be having sex at all till I’m ready to spawn? no. I’m not saying abortion should be used as birth control. but it’s a safe, legal part of the birth control spectrum, and should exist as an option.
Canada is a great land of freedom, with so many altruistic voices free to speak on our fucking behalf, and to try and make our sex lives and reproductive rights everyone else’s business. The laws are already in place and they aren’t changing. Abortions for ANYONE who wants one – small Canadian flags for the rest of us!
politics have no business in the bedrooms of the nation.so there. 😉
Hedgy you don’t have that right to decide whether or not Ima’s boy was ready or not, obviously he was ..getting two jobs etc. Come on hedgy you don’t think that chick’s parents would’ve suggested ahem forced an abortion on her? oh dear you have your whole life ahead of you, why tie yourself down to the baby’s father. etc. bull fucking shit, if you are old enough to spread your legs for pleasure you should be old enough and responsible enough for the consequences..ps what do the women do with only two abortion limit? hmm just curious. As i heard after two abortions the docs won’t do it as it does something medically to your system. So what then?
The Beav, the limit is two darling, two abortions. You make it sound like its a candy store handing out freebies!! Get off it. So beav would you recomend an abortion to your sister or any young woman in your family?
Ginger, you are even weirder than I remember. And what is with your obsession with women spreading their legs? I think you might be feeling the love that dare not speak its name….
Qwerty dear i’m only weird as to what your way of life dictates you should think of me as. I’m very much comfortable in my beliefs and my religion and still think that the way that secular society is going can’t be good for anyone. big muah to ya Qwerty hon
What my way of life dictates I should think of you as.Okay then.
True Fact: The drop in rate of violent crime across North America in the 1990’s is largely attributable to the lack of 20 year old gangstas that were aborted in the 1970’s…
hedgy,,, I thought your quoting of dead pierre was quite apros-pos, re no politics in the bedroom, but what I especially liked about it was that it wasn’t farcking ten miles long…Jesus girl… Use the backspace once in a while…
Ginger’s way of life dictates what we should all think of us as. Er, we as.Er, what one should think of them as.Uhhhhhm, what they should think of one as.Erm. What she should think of everyone else as.That’s it. I think.Translation: “Don’t dare judge me! No matter how much I judge you! Booyah!”Ehhhh…. “You go, girl!”
Jammie you can judge me all you want, cause i don’t give a rat’s ass what you think.
oops sorry floyd 😉 I just get so carried away sometimes hehe….now onward to ginger-troll-baby: oh yeah, sure, getting two mc-jobs, that’s exactly the way to PROVE you are emotionally ready for a child! raising a kid is more than being able to afford one, or being mature enough to try. and btw? all this talk of being responsible to accept the consequences if you’re responsible enough to have sex? abortion is a consequence- it’s not a picnic as far as I’ve heard. it’s a less life-utterly-changing consequence than having a child, but it’s still a consequence.ps I heard ginger-kids have no souls: is that why you chose that name gingy-baby?
The point of my last post was that I believe it is unfair that the men in these situations are given no choice at all. Once a man’s sperm exits he no longer has any rights? If a child is born the man is expected to stand up and take care of the child. When it come to pregnancy men seem to have no rights and no say. The fact that the woman carries the child does not make her more of a parent then the man. It only gives her more control. and no one forced the girl(my grandson’s gf) to have an abortionYoung woman used to go to back alley butchers to end pregnancy. Some of them were damaged perminately, some died. The choice and the information needs to be out there. Dr Morgantauler has helped this to happen.
Ginger if you didn’t give a rat’s ass you wouldn’t be in here spewing your ignorant redneck garbage to anyone who will listen, begging and hoping for some validation somewhere from anyone.In any case, your beloved god would judge you far more harshly than anyone on this BitchBoard. If truly his son’s word was one of understanding, forgiveness, and respect, then you will have failed miserably in his eyes.As i noted, you can’t reserve the right to judge everyone, and then rail against anyone who judges you right back. It works both ways, Daisy.
I do agree with you Ima that the father shoudl be involved, but the end decision has to be no one’s but that woman’s. That was the whole point of what morgentaller did- he made it so NOONE’s opinion on the matter should matter more than the mother’s.
Sweet SP reference hedgy! This Ginger definitely has no soul (unless souls are made of hatred. Then it has a big, pus-filled, oozing mass of a black soul.)
As an aside – what the flying fuck is the “Meow” for??? The “Ginger is back” part I get, but why are you meowing at us???
Ima I agree with what you are saying. This carries on through the life of any child. Fathers just aren’t given the same rights, even if they are the more responsible parent. On the other hand, one must remember also that many abortions are “encouraged” (for lack of a better word) due to the absence of a responsible father in the picture…
either she’s trying to say she’s back and she’s all catty and saucy and whatnot (in which case she’s failing horribly) or maybe she just really, really likes pussy… cats. in the ‘I have 14 living in my bachelor apartment with me all named flufferkins’ way. or in whatever way you can imagine ;)and thanks. SP should always be involved. although I doubt Gingy would approve of such references- seeing as how those animated children busted opent he whole gingers-have-no-souls coverup. maybe she’s so bible-beating to cover up her inherant lack of soulage?
I’d like to appoint myself leader of a new master race of Ginger Kids, only MY Ginger kids will go on marches and chant things like “Laugh Over Laugh!” and “If you can’t choose between birth control or not then that makes you mentally retarded” whilst performing abortions on woodland critters. Only at Christmas time, of course. That’s how Jesus would want it.
She is woman. Hear her meow.Cat orgy!
also re: actual point of this thread; it’s important to remember that no matter how much that father says he wants that baby, he can still change his mind. and then the mother is stuck. also, even if it’s a ‘have the child hand it over to dad and never look back’ type situation, that’s still 9 months of that women’s life, in which her education, career, family, and general status in society will change as she will be very visably pregnant. a man doesn’t ahve to go through that- a woman does. I don’t see anythign wrong with a woman saying she cannot afford to lose those 9 months or go through the judgement that will go along with that.
AAAAAAAhahahahaha you guys kill me. Not literally, of course. If I was a fetus, maybe…
I’m only in Qwerty if we are aborting the innocent to make way for the second coming of satan, who we will worship while we take over imaginationland.oh and if we can build some sort of massive effigy to Ginger……possibly modeled after a cow…
Ginger can be Strawberry Shortcake.
Ima, thanks for checking in again. I was going to comment before about your point about the guy not having much say. I agree that it is a little unfair, but don’t you think it might be more unfair to give the guy a legal right to a child that a woman does not want to carry around for 9 months? Imagine if a rapist used this precedent to claim paternity of his victims child. Also, if you think about it in terms of which decision does the least harm, does the father’s emotional trauma over the loss of the fetus outweigh the emotional, social and physical pain/trauma associated with the mother carrying a baby to term that she does not want. When the father wants the child and the mother does not, I would hope that abortion becomes less of an option and the two people can work something out. But you still cannot take the final choice away from the woman.
i was thinking her name should be Daisy.But Shortcake is good. It’s white, fluffy, bad for you, and without substance. Seems to work.
wow, so much happend while I was typing that last post up. Forgive me if it was redundant. 😛
We are Strawberry Shortcake. We are only weird as to what your way of life dictates you should think of us as. Resistance is futile.
OK. I have a very personal story to tell. I went to the effort of creating a ghost account, because I felt it was important to tell this story, but I wanted to be completely annonymous. So. You know me. But let’s pretend you don’t.About ten years ago, I got pregnant. I was using protection. In fact, I was doubly protected. I was using a contraceptive sponge (can you even still buy those things?), AND I was using a condom. The condom broke. The sponge failed. What are the chances? But there I was, one in a million, knocked up. I was in no position to have another child, financially. There was no way I could have provided for the child. All well and good to say, “give it to someone who can.” Except I had two small children. Old enough that there was no way I could have hidden a pregnancy from them, but far too young to understand the ramifications of the choice I had to make. If I had chosen to proceed with the pregnancy, I would have had to explain to my children why I was giving that baby away. What should I have told them? That I didn’t have enough money to care for it? And how would they have processed that, in their little 6 and 7 year old minds? Would they have been terrified that I would give one of them away when money got tight? Of course they would have been! How traumatizing would that have been for them? I’ll never know. I chose not to find out. I chose the welfare of my existing children over the one that might have been. Sorry for the length. I really thought it was important to articulate a real situation that very few people would think of. It’s never as black and white as many people think. The issue of abortion is far more complex than women’s rights vs fetus’ rights.
Aw, nunya… (((hug)))
Yes Nunya, thanks for sharing.
Oh yeah. Got so caught up in my own melodrama that I forgot my point: Fuck off, Ginger.
Yeah Nunya, good thing a “Fuck off Ginger” never ever seems out of context and never needs explaining. You can carpet F-bomb that girl and it would always seem like the right thing to do. Saturation F-bombings. Laser-guided F-bombs. Unleash the entire arsenal.
maybe she needs her own fuck off ginger thread….just think of it as a huge piece of troll bait…
Ginger: the whole point of abortion law and this thread is that nobody gets to “recomend” it. I appreciate the fact that you think I have some sort of authority over the young women in my family, in the same way that I appreciate how you shouldn’t walk after dark, or wear revealing skirts, or consider yourself independent of men. And I hate to inform you, but if the bubble you live in floats somewhere above NS, abortions are being handed out like candy around here. There is no limit. To revise: abortions ONLY for people who are pregnant with a gay; small Canadian flags for those who oppose abortions; and bubblegum and buy one/get one free Bennigan’s coupons for everyone else!
Paragraph separation much? Damn!