In a South End Establishment and Bar…we are the 2 Vegetarians who ordered quesadillas and when they arrived they had chicken in them..no big deal we will just request some new ones. The tab comes and 1/2 of the total for the chicken quesadillas are still there. You refuse to take off the chicken quesadillas from the bill after we request and speak to the manager and then the owner. I guess we should have to pay for 1/2 of your mistake since we only eat veggies. WOW! Most unappreciative restaurant in the city and the place is run like a dictatorship.. Which is fine in a dictatorship but bad in a restaurant.
—House Arrest
This article appears in Dec 24-30, 2009.
Simple solution: eat meat.
Seriously though…the customer is OFTEN wrong, but not always. And this seems like a pretty clear case of asshole management.
And I guess the “/troll” in my previous post looked too much like HTML and got filtered. Hmph.
Bah, that place is no longer the fun place it used to be for me and my friends. I’m pretty sure I’ve already ranted about it elsewhere so won’t go into the details, suffice to say: leave it to the Kings Students and Old Farts From Bishops Landing/Other Condos and find somewhere else to spend your money.
Your quesadillas probably came from Costco so taking the chicken out was probably an oversight.
If they actually tried to argue with me about paying for half of their mistake, I would have decided that I wasn’t paying for any of it.
Post this shit in the restaurant section, dumbass.
If it was posted in the restaurant section the only people who would see it are the people who give a fuck about this particular restaurant. This way, everyone gets to hear about their shit show of customer service. What are you, The LTWWB Police?
Who cares.
You want vegetarian food, go to a fucking vegetarian restaurant. Why is it that people think the world owes them something? What a shitty generation. You fucking buy what’s on the menu as written, or you shut up and fuck off.
boogie, why is it people shouldn’t get what they want when they’re willing to specifically order what they want and then pay for it too? It’s not like the wait staff laughed in the face of the OP then showed them the door upon ordering a variant of a menu item. That’s not what happened. The order was accepted, not refused. The OP was right to expect to get what they ordered and the OP is right in not paying for a mistake made by the wait staff IMO
Oh, and boogie, expecting to get what you order has nothing to do with your age or generation, numb-nuts. When you order your meal at a restaurant one SHOULD expect their food as ordered! You have my permission, boogie, you may grow up now. Try hard… and boogie, hold the fucking onions this time, kay?
If the restaurant didn’t want to serve vegetarian food, or take the chicken out, it should have been specified when they ordered. It wasn’t so its up to the restaurant to pay for their mistake. If I were them I certainly wouldn’t have paid for it. And they shouldn’t have too. What restaurant is this so I, being a vegetarian myself, don’t go there.
Even the kids at McD’s used to take the chicken out of my fajitas for me … and being veg isn’t abot a “sense of entitlement”. Asking to remove the chicken is no different then requesting something without olives or extra this or whatever. And as others have pointed out, if that wasn’t possible they shouldn’t have taken the order. I wouldn’t have paid for any of it, but then again I haven’t been to that restaurant in years (despite living practically around the corner) because the food sucks, its’s overpriced and the waiters are snobby and ridiculous.
Listen up Kay, and listed good. A restaurant isn’t there for your pleasure. It’s a business, there to provide their service to EVERYBODY. Not just a select few whiners who seem to think that their needs should be catered to. It says nowhere in the OP that they even requested no chicken. Why should the rest of the paying customers be made to wait while these dickheads tie up the kitchen and wait staff with their self absorbed bullshit. I’ll definitely be heading to this place in the future. It knows how to do business right. Don’t fuck around. Pwn3d
vegans are fucking annoying in a busy non-veg restaraunt ; but at least their true to their thing; it’s the oh i don’t eat anything with a face types that drive me postal; what the fuck does that mean really(cause everyone i’ve met say they’ll eat like chk’n fingers and such)
What about people with food allergies? Are we not allowed to dine in restaurants? I have many food allergies and have never been to a restaurant yet that wasn’t able to accomodate the changes to preparation of an item I requested. Most are more than happy to accomodate people in their choices because as a business they know that customer satisfaction can equal repeat business.
As a vegetarian who sometimes dines out with omnivores, if a restaurant lacks a veggie choice I WILL make a request for meat or cheese not to be included in preparation of a particular item. The cost to me is the same but the kitchen benefits by preparing that item at a lesser cost to them.
Having once worked in the service industry, I know that people don’t just go to restaurants for food, for that a window-burger will suffice, they go to restaurants for a dining experience. Charging customers for a kitchen mistake can’t possibly be good for business. I would never go back if this was my customer experience…and I would tell everyone I know and even those I don’t a la the OP’s mode. It is in the establishment’s own interests to ensure that every customer leaves with a smile on their face, not a bad taste in their mouth!
The only reason people are vegitarians today is because of our modern transportation industries & the ready availability of fresh veggie’s , grains etc for these self absorbed individuals.
I tried veggieism for over a year… totally tried it & IT SUCKS .
My absolute favorite place in the supermarkets is where the ‘veggie burgers & hotdogs are !
I never ate them…why the fuck would I be a veggitarian & eat veggie bacon !?! the hypocrisy is astounding in products like that imo.
Go kill something, gut it, skin it, roast up a chunk mmmmmmmmmm, now your talking flavor !
Seeing as that cow ate veggie’s its whole life, I’m just eating the end result of a massive intake of vegetable matter 😉
Boogie should open a restaurant. It can be called ‘We Are Not Here for our Pleasure’.
Should do pretty good.
Boogie, actually comes off sound like the new owner. Hey, boogie, stay the fuck home and let Mel run the place. He’s the last remaining good thing about your operation!
More: “The only reason people are vegitarians today is…”
How simple your view of the world must be to issue a blanketed (and mispelled)statement like that. The reason’s people choose to be vegetarian are as diverse as the people themselves.
A vegetarian who actually educates themselves about vegetarian nutrition knows that “our modern transportation industries & the ready availability of fresh veggie’s , grains etc” has very little to do with it. Vegetables are not great sources of protein so their increase in availability benefits vegetarians and omnivores equally. To form a protein omnivores source from meat, vegetarians look to beans and other legumes (which can be grown locally) combined with rice, which would have been transported by sea prior to ‘modern transportation industries’, so this justification just does not ring true. Trying something for a year does not make you well-informed about something if you do not bother to educate yourself as thoroughly as possible about the subject.
The supermarket veggie burgers and dogs are simply a source of protein that does not contain meat. I know many meat-eaters who choose them as a healthier alternative. That your weekly shopping trip includes absolute enjoyment from judging the choices of strangers is sort of pathetically astounding itself really, don’t you think?
Self-absorption may motivate your actions and choices in life please don’t assume others are similarly inspired. Just because you ‘totally tried’ something for a year does not qualify you to direct other people’s choices i.e ‘Go kill something, gut it, skin it, roast up a chunk ‘ Just as you have the right to go kill something to eat others have the right to choose not to do it! This vegetarian realized a longgggggggg time ago that choosing to be vegetarian is a personal choice just as the omnivore’s choice if their own personal choice and that the two can quite happily co-exist.
I agree Ocean lady, we can coexist, that is until the rock we’re on runs out of food, then You’ll be going hungry ,but not for long … there mightn’t be any veggies for you but I’ll be looking at you as my next meal 🙂
that’ll literally be taking you to dinner .
Invitation declined More. I grow a lot of my own veggies so I won’t be starving.
Darn…invitation declined !
Just when I was hoping to get someone else to try my homemade salsa. I grew the tomato, the hot peppers & the onion myself…my garlic was a dismal failure this year.
I like growing vegetables, they go great with meat !
Do adults really say “veggies”? Really?
Dawn Davenport
Yes we do .
Really ,really !
Ah, More, a true humanitarian.
Humanitarian. Is that another word for carnivore Sarey?
No, its just a bad pun… He implied he wanted to literally eat you, so instead of a vegetarian eating vegetables, he’s a humanitarian eating humans…
hmmmm, bitch police…..
*sirens*…
*stops bitch on shoulder*
*swagger up*
OP, license and login name please….
oh, you’re a lurker, … ok.
I understand you’re not from around here but you realize you were posting a restaurant bitch at 70 words per minute in a 50 zone?
We don’t take too kindly to speed typing here and tend to ridicule it unmercifully.
“but…”
SHUT IT… I don’t want to hear excuses….. I’m going to let you off with a warning but please OP, keep it in the restaurant section.
C’mon now if there is absolutely nothing left to eat… why should the meat eater & the vegetarian starve ? There’s no food left for the vegetarian, No sense in both of us suffering !
I believe this was the logic used in a crashed jet, in mountains of South America a while back.
Although to be fair, I have no idea if any of those eaten were actually vegetarians :p
I remember that movie, More, and I remember seriously considering what I would do in such a situation. The choices were eat the dead people or die. I decided that extending my life for a little longer was not worth eating the flesh of dead people. But, I also realized that if children had survived the crash and they were starving, I am not so sure that I would deny them. It’s one thing to define one’s own standards for living, it’s another thing to force them on other people.
zZz… LOL, that was awesome!
More, something tells me that if there is no vegetation at all, you’re going to starve anyways…
though vegetarianism doesn’t sound natural to me… not one bit. I’ll eat anything with a face… so long as I don’t have to actually eat the face itself.
ok, I take that back…
I don’t think I could bring myself to eat a dung beetle regardless of whether it’s been ‘cleaned’ or not. actually, let’s just skip all the insects while we’re at it.
I’ll eat any meaty thing with a face.
I’m trying to imagine what a meaty thing without a face would look like…? A clam? I eat clams. yummy.
zZz I’m not going to starve…human is going up on the menu boy’s.(& girls)
I’ve eaten bugs before, snails are my favorite so far, chocolate covered anything, crickets, ants, centipededs (I think that’s what the long leggy ones were) no problem. I’ve also eaten
the worm out of certain bottles of spirits in the past. I don’t balk at goose liver pate & don’t care how hard the goose suffered nor do I care that the calf stood in one spot for a couple of weeks before they turned it into a pile of veal. I’ve killed deer, bear,rabbits, partride & squirrel ,I once shot a cariboo in Quebec, it was good. I’ve killed chickens ,ducks & geese & pigs when I was younger on the family farm. I’ve eaten aligator & snakes, prairie oysters & went back for seconds, lizard & frogs hasn’t put me off either. If it swims in the ocean, & I had a chance to try it I have. I’m not a fan of seal flipper pie, but I don’t mind a seal meat stew, bottled rabbit or moose makes my mouth water just thinking about it.Buffalo & Beefalo steaks are great.
That’s it now I’m hungry…time to put some shredded swine flesh in a pan & fry some unfertilized chicken embryo’s t go with it 😉
just sayin’ that it would be tough to keep the meaty things alive without vegetation at some point….
and yes, clams, scallops, muscles, quahogs, etc… IMO gross.
I just can’t get a flavor for them after working in a clam plant so they count as well.
“A restaurant isn’t there for your pleasure. It’s a business, there to provide their service to EVERYBODY”
Boogie do you realize how many times you’ve contradicted yourself in that one sentence? If you really think that restaurants aren’t in existence to provide pleasure to their customers you’ve clearly not read your business books well enough. That is EXACTLY what restaurants are there for, to cook good food for customers so that they will be happy enough to want to pay lots of money to come there.
Then, if they are there to provide service to EVERYBODY as you said, then that includes the people who don’t want chicken in their vegetarian quesadillas. Sometimes you have to think before you just come here to try and go against what Kay says, because sometimes what she’s saying is correct.
“Pwn3d”.
good one
PAS, I hate to distract you from your stoke of genius where you think you have discovered a fissure in the force, but you need a little education here. The ‘your’ in my statement refers to people who think that businesses need to cater to their needs, as opposed to normal people who just ORDER WHAT’S ON THE FUCKING MENU!! THE HH IS NOT A GOD DAMN BUFFET!!!!
There. No contradiction. You just need to learn how to read. Double pWn3d, dumbass,
Maybe you need to take your own stupid advice in that last paragraph. oohhhhh ahhhhhhh I think there’s a contradiction in there….better get on that…..lmfao
the thing is when your in the fire getting smoked it’s easy to miss mods on your chits; yes the manager should grat it from the bill and rectify the prob.
hahah, boogie, there are NO “mods” when browsing a buffet…. hello?
Oooooops…sorry Sarey, I meant to say cannibal not carnivore but we arrived at the same conclusion.
actually buffets are ideal for the quinoa/organic endame mowing crowd
Soy pizza meat is *awesome* i gotta say.
there’s only 2 vegetables that i truly dislike: lima beans and parsnips; when it’s in season i eat asparagus almost eveyday
really? I can’t even go near a brussel sprout without puking.
cabbage is bad but mini-cabbage?
yak.
yea sometimes you get brussel sprouts that taste like ass but other times good definitely hit and miss
actually now that i think of it rapini is pretty foul; like really bitter broccoli
Martym, I’m betting the mgr is a micro-managing twat that likes to get behind the line and ‘help’ by getting in the way, she was probably too stressed out peeling carrots to grat any chits.
yea i have probably worked in 30 restaraunts over the years and i can count on one hand the good gm’s ; owners if you get a good one better you kiss their asses to keep them (breakfast cooks too;good ones are worth more than red seal “superstars”!
i have a red seal and concur…good line cooks are tough to find…the ones from the cia are the worst, they won’t even think about cleaning up after themselves…”i didn’t spend 10 grand and learn how to make potatoes 30 different ways to sweep a floor” and rapini is foul
right on i’ve actually never worked with a cia grad; but i have w/george brown(myself incl.); dubruille;cordon bleu;and others;actually i worked with a parisian former michellan star chef who would even jump in the dish pit if needed that’s how they train them in europe; but some of them make gordon ramsay look like a touchy feely type
i’ve done it all…dish pits are the best…when i finally went to gb in toronto, the old old old one i had been an apprentice for a while, i remember having 3 hours to make a pot of soup and that was the only task i had..told the other pleebs, this ain’t what its like
omg there’s a good chance than i would know you; the old one as in when the campus was on nassau st me too; and yes it was a fairly land compared to the real world;tell me some of your gigs and i’ll see if i can guess who you are(in confidentially)
I used to like it when we got students in on workterm (well, actually it sucked because they suck the time away from the tasks that you gotta get done, I’m sure you know what I mean) whining about how they “HAVE to have a piano wire whisk!”…ha ha, I’ll never forget that one.
i hide in plain sight…i worked in only one place here and it was for 8 yrs…my favorite mornings were when the fridge would die in the middle of the night or the sewage would back up in the turlets but i miss it sometimes
when kids tell me oh i love to cook i’m gonna be a chef! i’m like oh you want to work 80 hours a week at least 6 days a week with weekends never off and distinctinct possability of alcoholism and drug abuse 140 degree work environment and fucking annoying foodies whoyou want to punch; areyou sure
teehee…yeah i tell them learn how to cook and then cook for people you like
oh you came to your senses and got a real job; wow 8 years in one kitchen that’s dedication; longest i went was just over 4 and that was in my own place($60,00 gone and no pay for the duration)
the food costs will feckin killya everytime and that was the longest i worked anywhere but it was fun
a good test is when they say i’m a good cook; say oh what do you like to cook and if they say: lasagna;chili;spaghetti sauce; no no young person that’s what every dumbass with a kiss the cook apron makes good luck and stay in school
actually i had my food costs in line about 28%; because it was small and i’d load up on weekly specials at the supermarkets and due very seasonal fresh sheet menu it was other overhead like: #1 labour costs, work comp, ei, rent,putting in grease trap etc.etc. etc.
28 thats good it can be a money pit
My apron said “Do the Cook”
It worked.
you scallywag!
Um, so I’m pretty sure that I was just at the restaurant that the OP had been writing about and they have veggie quesadillas AND chicken quesadillas, so I’m pretty sure the OP ordered the veggie version and they’d sent the chicken one by mistake and then tried to stick the OP with the bill like they’d ordered wrong or something (as if a Vegetarian would specifically order something with chicken in the title by mistake…right). If that had happened to me, I’m not sure what I’d do. Probably never go back and then bitch about it to every Veggie I know. That being said, usually restaurants are pretty cool about us Veggie peeps. 🙂
I was there once about 5 years ago and I asked if the French Onion soup was made with beef stock (which it was) so they actually went out of their way to make me one out of veggie stock, which I’d thought was super awesome of them to do. Maybe they have different cooks/ management now, but I thought I should mention it as it seems so drastically different from what I’d experienced all those years ago.
Also, their veggie burgers aren’t half-bad.
I loved it when vegetarians came into the Steakhouse(s) I worked at and started making over the top special requests.
Fucking vegetarians and vegans with their talk about making choices and crap like that. Did it ever occur that some folks choose to eat meat? These preachy fuckers are annoying and do think the service world should cater to them always.
If you can’t get a vegetarian dish at a restaurant, go to Sobeys and buy your own produce. Then go the fuck home, make a salad and shut the fuck up while I chew my steak.
vegans are like small childrens they should be seen and not heard!
NGF 😉
To be fair to the veggies, some mean well…I was once invited to a buffet down in Wolfville, when i was working there. No one told us that it was a veggitarian buffet. When we got to the other end of the table set up ,all my friend & I had on our plates was a piece of bread each.
So I went back through & got 2 plates of salad & he ran down the street & picked up 2 racks of slow cooked back ribs.
IT was a successful meal.
The hosts were put out, somewhat, & felt we “didn’t try enough” different types of dishes so we wouldn’t need meat . We felt like how many different types of leaf do we need to eat before we start BAAAAAAAAing =:)
Why do non-vegs think that the only vegetarian choices are salads and vegetables? Vegetarians require proteins too and there are many delicious alternatives to meat.
Why do non-vegetarians take such offense to what vegetarians choose to eat? Why is it anyone elses business what another chooses to eat?
One’s level of tolerance for the dietary choices of others is a fairly good indicator of one’s level of maturity.
PS Vegetarians are NOT like small children and have the same rights as omnivores to enjoy their choices without criticism from others.
So do carnivores.
And it seems that vegetarians/vegans have more of an issue with omnivores/carnivores enjoy and also the fact that most establishments don’t cater specifically to their lifestyle.
i don’t think anyone is offended by vegetarians; what the problem is are the amount of sanctimonious vegans that think they are somehow above or more enlightened than knuckle dragging carnivores; in that vein say a rugby team walked into the heartwood restaraunt on a weekend night and asked for say rare veal chops for the gang; i’m thinking the owners and staff would fall into a catatonic state and suffer life long emotional problems
Establishments would be wise to offer a selection that vegetarians AND omnivores can choose from, not so difficult really. Most establishments have no problem catering specifically to the omnivore lifestyle. Perhaps expanding their horizons would also expand their popularity and profits.
It can be frustrating when dining out with friends who eat meat when the menu offers no choices for vegetarians beyond salads. I’m trying to see how an establishment’s failure to offer vegetarian choices should even be an issue with anyone else. What should it even matter to them?
what’s the issue? any strictly vegetarian entree in a say mor restaurant simply doesn’t move so there high waste costs; also to make something beyond a say generic veg burger like: a ragout of organic root vegetables on grilled polenta with artisan cheese gratin that might sell; how many burger flippers could pull that off even if they had the ingredients or prep time; its a non starter
Martym, it doesn’t have to be that complicated and there are some establishments that have figured this out. And I wouldn’t expect a burger flipper would be any less capable of flipping a veggie burger. For more upscale fare the chef should be equally adept at preparing polenta with veg ragout as they would be preparing coq au vin or steak tartare.
yea but ob was about a pub i do believe which as far as i can see most halogonians are frequenting; upscale restaurants are hurting big time
I like eating food that has a chance to run, fly, or swim away.
a monkey had butt-sex with a fish-frog and that made you…
Boogie you contradicted yourself by saying that a business is there to provide service to EVERYBODY. So if in your mind “everybody” really just means people who eat meat, then sure you didn’t contradict yourself. But in reality everybody means everybody, no matter what they want to order.
Oceanlady there’s only so many ways you can prepare a chickpea, before I’m gaging on it.
THere has never been a bean curd made that comes anywhere near the goodness of a piece of beef, chicken, fish or any other real protein. I would rather spend a meal time figuring out how to painlessly as possible remove my eyes with a spoon, than eat egg plant or shuddddddder a damn zucchini (stuffed or otherwise !)
Face it you can’t bar-b-q a damn mushroom cap & put that up alongside a piece of prime rib & convince anyone who’s tasted both (& I have had both) that the mushrooms just as good.
No …No…No it is not !
IT is nice along with it…but the mushroom alone DOESN’T CUT IT !
I spent a year + because of a dietary restrictions & the constant grazing of anything veggitarian (except vegitarian meat alternatives, like veggie dogs etc) to survive & I spent over a year constantly hungry, tired, weak & eating vitamin supplements ,as if they also were food !
Baked, fried, boiled ,steamed, BBQ, & fresh…& still leaves you constantly looking for something substantial to put down there with the potato/rice dish !
I survived by pretty much living on peanut butter, & cheese on every damn veggie dish imaginable, & I ate a lot of multi grain breads. As for veggie foods , I work with Actors ,Dancers & Artsey type technitions who had no end of ways to prepare their favorite veggie dishes, & god knows I tried enough of them to make a herd of cows puke for a week.
When I see a veggie make a claim about how vegan pizza faux meat is wonderful, or veggie hotdogs ….I gag, the stuff that is meat, they put on pizza isn’t fit to eat ! & hotdogs shudddder…. Why would you try to make a vegetabel taste like that offal ?
More: The real point is that it doesn’t even matter to anyone else whether you like chickpeas or not. Vegetarianism is a personal choice. That it is not your choice is your business and yours alone.
Comparing vegetarian cuisine to meat choices is like comparing apples to oranges. I have a lifelong allergy to beef so I will always choose a non-beef alternative but that is no one’s business but mine, nor do I care what anyone else thinks about what is on my plate because they do not have to eat it. Nor do I care what is on someone else’s plate because it is none of my business.
Why do you care so much (to the point where you shudder and gag) about the choices of others and/or the contents of faux meat products to the point where your absolute favourite place in the supermarket is the faux meat section? I don’t like brussels sprouts but I give zero thought to the fact that others may like them because it is a total waste of energy and time.
My allergy to beef causes violent involuntary physical reactions so I will always choose veggie pepperoni for my pizza but I don’t shudder and gag at the thought or sight of real meat pepperoni on the pizzas of others because I realize that other people’s choices are not about me! Why do you care so much about what someone else eats? Live and let live!
Even meat eaters have preferences. If you have a guest who dislikes pork, you would be sure to cook beef or chicken instead. In fact, a lot people dislike fish, and I have yet to see a seafood restaurant which didn’t serve steak or chicken in order to accommodate them. So why can’t vegetarians be accommodated too?
Chole is easy to make (chickpea, standard vegetables and spices), the cost is minimal, and it tastes good enough that even a meat eater would enjoy it. Same with red beans and rice (we use shredded cheese, lettuce, onion and green peppers on ours with sour cream, and the contrast with the hot food is great). There are many delicious dishes that do not include meat, cost very little and are enjoyable. It all depends on how good the cook is. I have never had any meat eater not enjoy these dishes when they joined us for dinner. I am not a vegetarian, but I save a lot money not always using meat on the menu.
Spot on HKM! Delicious, nutritious meals don’t have to revolve around meat whether one is a vegetarian or not. I started out doing the same thing, preparing several non-meat meals a week and then I decided that I did not really need any of the meat choices at all. I know other omnivores who choose to go meatless several meals a week for both the budget and health benefits.
TVP chilli or tacos are usually on my menu despite the fact that I would really rather ground beef…
they suffice though.
More isn’t making a very compelling argument (unfortunately… since I’d much sooner side with him on a stance of what staple of foods should be ingested) though Oceanlady, if eating veggie is what you choose, have at. You can have mine as well while you’re at it to try and stay full.
also though, there is a little slip with
“…but that is no one’s business but mine, nor do I care what anyone else thinks about what is on my plate because they do not have to eat it”
in saying we should all just mind our own business on what each other is eating, you’re inadvertently condoning consumption of rare, exotic, or endangered animals.
mmmm…. bald eagle…..
i heart chickpeas
zZz: I don’t condone illegal cuisine. By the same token, I don’t care that people have kitchen knives but when that knife is used in an illegal act then that does become society’s business. As a member of society I believe that those who commit illegal acts, be it the killing and consumption of rare, exotic, or endangered animals or any other illegal act, should be held accountable. Some people kill and eat other human beings which is also a crime.
my neighbors kids had a flock of cute little bunnies; so i said to the one little girl can i have one of your bunnies; and she said what for? so i said well i certainly wouldn’t make a delicious fricasse with it that wouldn’t be nice
I think all restaurants should serve monkey brains.
My friend had a thriving bunny selling business when we were about 10 years old–then she found out that her buyers were eating them. Needless to say, she didn’t have a going out of business sale when she closed up shop.
I have a cookbook from South America that includes recipes for parrot, monkey, armadillo, rodents, etc., but I haven’t gotten hungry enough yet to try them. With harbour rats and seagulls making the most obvious substitutes, tofu could become quite appetizing.
actually rabbit/hare is one of the leanest meats you can eat; and if prepated correctly is friggn good
I would much perfer harbour rat & seagull as oily tasting as they are to tofu.
I made a commetn about a veggie buffet where all we found to eat was bread. so my friends went just up the street & got 2 orders of ribs, while I grabbed us a salad to go withthem & oceanlady responded about how everyone who isn’t a vegan thinks they eat only salad.
I for one do realise they eat more variety than that…so do cows.
i remember once me and a buddy were stoned on acid and were watching a movie where 2 guys were spit roasting a squirrel; still have never been able to find out what the movie was (if that indeed took place)
I love cows. In the field. The smell of their roasting flesh, for me, is like peanuts to those with peanut allergies. Same goes for dairy products of bovine origin. I can’t be anywhere near them!
I know an omnivore who had a near-death experience and before they were revived while travelling toward the ‘white light’ were chased by the souls of hundreds of cows, pigs, chickens, sheep and fish. Perhaps we are indeed what we eat…hehehe!
Oceanlady…I had that same experience as I was going toward the light !
I turned & chased after them…figuring on picking up a snack on my way, & damn it if I didn’t wake up to someone shining a light in my eyes, while somebody else was compressing my chest ~;p
i have a morrocan cookbook that calls for camel…substitute anything even long pig
I remember the first time someone threw a rabbit on my table. I didn’t know what to do with it! So, after figuring out how to skin it, I shake and baked it (they said it taste like chicken when they gave it to me). I got a few strange looks when I served it up.
HKM there is this friend I have from Newfoundland & he makes this bottled rabbit, using his mom’s receipe, it’s a gravey & rabbit meat a little onion & some spices…it tastes wonderful right out of the jar unheated (it has been cooked before it was bottled), you get a hunk of bread & a bottle of this sitting in a blind back in the woods…its got to be very close to what heavens suppose to be like (even though we all know that heavens a myth)…bottled rabbit or moose isn’t .
Mmmmmmmmmmmm…bottled moose…I haven’t had that in years…served traditional Newfoundland style right out of the bottle with a big slab of homemade bread…mmmmmmmmmmmmm…some shockin’ good b’ys!
The only time I ever had Canadian goose, it was served that way. I have never forgotten how good it tasted (although we heated it first). The taste of those steaming hot chunks of tender, dark meat in thick, rich gravy on fresh, home-made bread was sooo good!
i had a newfie roommate when i lived in vancouver and she would make boiled dinner every couple of weeks damn that’s tasty shit
Know what tastes absolutely delicious, is good for you, and good for the environment to eat? Kangaroo! Seriously. Yummy yummy.
I hope you didn’t pay for that. That’s ridiculous.
I’m still dying to try giraffe….
doubt I’d be able to eat all of it but a nice thigh would have me looking like a flintstone.
Actually, the giraffe would be dying, for you to try it…hehehe!
I think when astronauts finally find something live in their space travels and bring it back, the first question asked will be: Is it edible?
Humans will try to eat anything and everything!
oh yeah they’ll wrap their necks around your ass and nibble on your ears you to death in mere hours!run away!
how do you think we came across milk?
there are people out there that will try anything…
and I thank them because I do have my limits.
Newborn humans came across milk from their mothers. Drinking the milk of other species came after. Curiosly, humans are the only species that seek milk as adults.
Please tell me someone noticed milk dripping from a cow’s udder! The thought of one of martym’s ancestors romantically nuzzling a cow is too much.
I’ve had hard core meat eaters try my marinated tofu kabobs and love them.
PAS…how much did they have to drink before the compliments started ?
I get half a quart of 151 in me & i’ll eat a donair & compliment it…before I start puking…& after a couple of more drinks would probably try another bite or two even though I know what’ll happen.
I worked on a Newfoundland Tourism Commercial a couple of years ago. We were some small village North of Gros Morne NAtional Park & the local Church womans group were hired to cater our midday meal & they were informed that there were several vegetarians who wouldn’t eat meat.
Well those lovely ladies made a traditional boiled dinner for us, along with a beautiful moosemeat barley soup, & I was first in the hall & all the Boiled dinner had been seperated AFTER COOKING so there was a big bowl of Potato’s , another of Turnip , Parsnip, Carrot, Onion & a huge pot of meat & juice, but all the veggies were coated in the fat & small pieces of the meat, the looks of those who were not meat eaters & the complaining was great fun for those of us who really appreciated a decent home cooked meal.
The best part of all of it was not one of those wonderful women could see a problem with the meal except, they thought it was a lot to go through, instead of the veggie’s just picking out what they wanted from the whole pot ….L O L in memory ~:O
what mom said i was the bestest one in the cabbage patch !
that would be classic; an old school newfie mom listening to a yuppie type vegan explaining their dietary requirements; she’d be all : lord tunderin jesus are you pixalated in the head bouy
My Newfie relatives have no problem with my vegetarian diet when I am invited for dinner. Acceptance not judgement works great in families, Newfie or otherwise.
umm yea the key words there are relative and family not annoying tourists with fucking tude
ps: ol when your not there they’ll be ; we did all we could for her where did it go so terribly wrong?:)
It is only wrong in your opinion, not my family’s, who accept me for who I am and are above passing judgement on something so trivial as my personal dietary requirements and choices. They are intelligent and secure enough to recognize that my right to choose has nothing to do with them. Thay also recognize that my severe food allergies, present since birth, are not my fault and that their personal dietary choices have nothing to do with my reality. It is only outsiders who seem to feel the need toward such pettiness.
You have every right to choose. We have every right to make fun of your choice. Gotta love defensive Vegginazis!
Why do you have the right to ridicule a rather benign choice? Do you ridicule everyone who doesn’t conform to your standards? Live and let live. Sheeeeeesh!!!
What makes me a vegginazi? Please explain.
yea why are you so defensive to light-hearted ribbing; somebody calls me a knuckledragging carnivore i just smile and nod
Exactly martym, pass the leg of half cooked, dead beast this way will ya !
I am very tired of the veggies looking down their noses at my choices…& those from work who somehow see my choice to put dead flesh back on the menu as a failure ‘to truly try’ veganism, hell one of my co workers won’t even eat cheese, or eggs, any type of seafood. They’re about as big around as a pencil & has the stamina & strength in moving all our equipment of a small bird. Luckily they’ve discovered driving the trucks isn’t as hard as working the gear.
Although “veganazi” really refers only to those who follow this unhealthy lifestyle, insist on prosyletizing their lifestyle choice on everyone else….trying to make people feel “guilty” for choosing a healthy omnivorous diet which of mcourse includes meat….as we have evolved to require.
Veganazis have misguided ‘ideals’ where they equate all animals in a sort of ecosystem “why can’t we all just get along?”, and completely ignore a billion years of evolution which has given us the food chain.
They transfer their own feelings of fear about death onto animals that HAVE no concept of ‘death’ and the ‘future’, and then expect that their tears ‘for the animals” mean that mankind will suddenly wish to become like them….malnourished, often overweight (it’s a myth that cheese, chocalate and ice cream don’t make you fat, lol!), or grotesquely malformed with rickets-like abnormalities, succeptable to every flu or passing disease….all because they think it’s “unfair” when man eats animal as he was evolved to do (but OK when Polar Bear eats one?)
And the worse crime is when they indoctrinate their children, and yes, even their PETS to this sociopathic lifestyle!
I should have put an extra space between my lines. You’re only a potential Vegginazi, not a proven one. But still highly suspect.
Well then…I guess that leaves Oceanlady out. I mean she explained that she was allergic to red meat, she didn’t care what other people ate, and she was ‘ribbing’ along with with everyone else just fine.
I think the worst crime of meateaters is that they use public bathrooms. Digested flesh stinks a whole lot worse than digested carrots = p
Thank you HKM. As nothing in my posts indicated that I have a holier-than-thou food attitude then I’ve been puzzled as to why I am being classed as a vegginazi or why anyone feels the need to ridicule my vegetarianism. I can take a joke and dish one out as easily as the next guy. There is a fine line between ribbing and criticism which sometimes may become blurred in a one-dimensional forum such as this.
Frosty, your take on things is bizarre to say the least and uneducated to say the most. In my case my allergies to dairy make cheese and ice cream non-choices and that my health and weight are both just fine. I power-walk 10k a day to keep my health. A lot of vegetarians choose to become so for ethical reasons that have nothing to do with your odd views. What about meat-eaters who force their lifestyle upon their children? How is that different? Being a meat-eater does not make you right. It just makes you a meateater, although in agreement with HKM, a smellier person than a non-meateater:)
Red meat alergy’s supposedly very rare !
Does that ocenalady, mean you also can’t eat pork ? chicken ? Moose or other game animals…what about buffalo ?
I seem to remember when reading about ostrich steaks (which i thought were tasety) being described as red meat…& I don’t remember calling you a nazi..although I believe I was first to bring up the human flesh eating for survival ~:)
I wonder if human comes under red meat…or maybe another pink meat ~;)
finally someone brought up the ethical card;so here i go. Why in vegan/liberal world is it unethical to slaughter domesticated animals for food; but it’s not unethical to be pro-choice nobody has ever given me a sliver of rationality on the irony of that!
While I’m not interested in eating aborted fetuses, natural or assisted.
I am for killing the animals & killing the fetus.
The right for someone else to decide what they want to do to their body is their decission, I may question it. I may even disagree with it , but its their body & their choice, I don’t believe I should have a say about that.
But I’m more than happy to poke fun, at those who have strong feelings about putting their agenda over anothers 🙂
which comes around to the veggie debate here .
More, it was me who made the Nazi comment. I just like to keep Godwin’s Law true.
Martym, you seem to hit on this theme with regularity. The world is not divided into liberals and conservatives, left and right-wing. But to answer your question, I’d bet that the majority of people against animal consumption are also against abortion.
Also, pro-choice and pro-life are fucking stupid terms.
are you joking; do an informal pole of peta types and see their views on the abortion issue; i agree it’s a womans right to choose i just don’t see how you can pick and choose something so parallel in ideaollogy
Yes, but my cow has a chance to run away, your carrot doesn’t. LOL
Yah know, Bro Tim! Vegans are heartless, cold-blooded killers! They rip those poor little defensive veggies out of the ground and eat them raw–while their leaves are still trembling with life and their sap is still flowing. At least the animals have a sporting chance. And, meateaters make sure their meal is fully dead before they start chomping on it and rarely do they eat it without cooking it first. Vegans are cruel, sickening murderers.
i recall seeing a show about ethical gardening ie: how to deaden the pain caused to flora when pruning or picking them it was so fucking pathetic that i was hypmotized by it’s lunacy and i stared at the screen knowing it was melting my brain
so when people ask wtf is wrong with you i say well there was this show once….”TAXI”
Ooooh, so that’s what happened to your brain! (Couldn’t resist, martym = )
I really want to know: how do you deaden the plant’s pain? Poor rum on the roots and give it time to reach the leaves? Play Nora Jones for a couple hours? Pray it into a meditative state?
Hey, I liked the show Taxi. Jim getting his taxi license–classic!
More: your supposing the rarity of red meat allegies has nothing to do with the fact that I have it. I choose not to eat pork or chicken for ethical reasons. Modern farming practices subject a creature to an unnatural life of suffering in a small enclosed area until they are butchered. I’m not interested in causing the suffering of some poor creature just so I can eat when there are acceptable alternatives. I am not opposed to wild game which leads a free life until it is killed, but I still choose not to eat it because there really aren’t a lot of types of game that I enjoy the flavour of. But this is my choice and has nothing to do with a meat eaters right to choose to eat meat. I don’t impose my ethics upon anyone. My dietary agenda is mine alone and I never impose it upon others. I don’t recall you calling me a nazi either and if you actually read the posts you will discover that it was someone else who uttered the ‘n’ word and not you!
Comparing eating meat for food and abortion which is not necessarily chosen as a requirement for survival is like comparing the sun to the moon. As for the termination of a gestating human being, once a pregnancy has occured it is no longer just the woman’s body. She is sharing it with another human being. The right to choose to begins before conception, not afterward. No matter the circumstances of the conception, terminating the gestation is still the killing of an innocent human being (who has as much right to life as the rest of us) which is unfortunately, only a crime once the person has emerged from the womb but not before. But it is still killing one’s child no matter how one wishes to justify it which is a curious aspect of maternal instinct and one wonders how it could be a desirable trait in a mate. A woman who would kill her own child ceases to be maternal by virtue of making that choice. Anyone who disagrees should thank their lucky stars their mother did not choose to interrupt their own gestation. But again, these are my values and while I may share my views I don’t seek to impose them on anyone else. We are all free to make our own choices. Just as we all have to live with the consequences of our individual choices.
ahh the best one was when the cab business closed for a while and they talked about what they did ; and louie was selling investments or something like that on the phone and he got a little kid on the line; and the kid told him his mommy wasn’t home and he didn’t have any money; so louie says well do you know where mommies purse is. lmfao
Ok, normally I abstain from abortion debates, for many reasons. But this one always gets my goat. “She is sharing it with another human being.”
Please tell me how a blastocyst is a human being. The fact that it COULD become one is irrelevant. Our abortion laws place value on viability, not potential.
Sorry for the thread hijack, folks.
Oceanlady— I have to admit, any time that we kill an animal, be it in a modern slaughterhouse or by more traditional means, we might be inflicting “suffering”. It’s that attitude that puts the whole vegetarian dispute into question and why most of us call vegetarians sanctimonious. You have to admit, it really doesn’t lend anything to the whole issue, regardless if you mean it that way or not. Especially considering that most people choose to be a vegetarian/vegan on the basis of “suffering”.
Dr Fever: A few moments of suffering at the hands of the hunter after a lifetime of freedom vs a lifetime of suffering in confinement until the beast is big enough for the abattoir. Hmmmm? If I had to eat meat for survival I’d pick the wild beast as opposed to the caged one as the more humane option. I’d also prefer wild meat over that which is fed with antibiotics etc. I once rode past a field of cows at the end of which was a sign advertising abattoir services and I thought Holy Cow, if you guys could read you’d be outta there…hehehe!
lehova: abortions are often performed when the foetus has progressed well beyond a few cells. Many an aborted fully or nearly formed foetus has struggled to survive as it was sent off to the incinerator. That it has not been allowed to fully gestate does not make it any less human. Abortion laws may support a woman’s right to kill her child but that doesn’t make it any less a killing of something which has life. Aren’t you glad your mother did not choose her right to terminate your opportunity for life? Why should it be any less for ANY of the unborn? We all have the right to life, no matter what the abortion laws say. Just because it is law does not make it right e.g. at one time, by law, women were considered the property of men without any rights of their own. Laws change all the time. Contraception begins before pregnancy, not after, in my opinion. Luckily for those who disagree the law currently says otherwise. Too bad the unborn are unable to have a say in what is ultimately their life.
Oceanlady, I’ll give you this much; I don’t think abortion of a fully viable fetus should be allowed. But a non-sentient, non-viable (effectively)parasitic mass? Why the hell not? The problem lies in drawing the line between the two.
You asked “Aren’t you glad your mother did not choose her right to terminate your opportunity for life?” If she had, I wouldn’t be around to care.
Hey, did anyone here know that this bitch started off being about questionable service at a Peculiar South End restaurant?
getting chk’n in your veg quesadilla and the abortion issue is kinda the same:)
hardly… martym, a bunch of chickens and a child are drowning in a lake. Who do you save first and why?
umm cause you can eat chkns?
wtf i go away and come back and its abortion…i’m going with lehova on this one
you know its funny, i used to work for a company that was hired out to deliver produce to a majority of bars/restraunts in hrm and believe me if you saw some of the shit that these veggies rolled around in and what was in the back of the vehicles that carried it would make you eat nothing but meat! lets just say formaldehyde and red peppers, not the best combo!
martym, look up the word “obtuse” and see if you can’t find yourself mentioned. In fact there are better words for such a pompous position… I’m not sure you’re worth feeding if you’d let the kids drown in favour of feeding yourself and I’m really not so sure the chickens would thank you for saving them just to become soup, er, whatever.
Oceanlady, “If I had to eat meat for survival I’d pick the wild beast”.. what a huge waste of a perfectly good wild animal! Their presence in the ecosystem is of greater benefit when human beings shop at a grocery store where the meat was bred for exactly the purpose of feeding you. You go on about antibiotics, cages and farming practices but what about the parasite in the wild game you say you prefer? How bout that tape worm, eh? Pretty remarkable creature given it’s resilience. Have you even tasted wild meat? It’s thick with the metallic taste of blood that charbroiling can’t touch. And imagine what that wild creature ate for supper last night. At least we know what farm animals have been eating and their state of health at butchering. Maybe we should set the sick ones free and let Darwin have at them instead of treating live stock with antibiotics, eh? Put your one-way blinder on and have a peek at the world according Oceanlady… *rolls eyes*
are you fucking daft woman for the love of sweet jesus i’m just goofing around; holy mother of mercy; no wonder you get picked talk about slow on the draw(OBTUSE)
and did you mention tapeworm yea theres alot of that going around these days; i joke to people about having a tape worm when their eating alot and no one knows what i’m talking about; your pooched in the tete
well you’re being obtuse in “goofing around”. One does not have to be “daft” to notice that, just annoyed.
your annoyed when people are goofing around? golly i was under the impression that this forum was on the lighter side and for personal enjoyment; apparently it is serious business and frivolity is frowned upon by certain participants of a more studious approach
I wasn’t poking fun at you about your malady being rare Oceanlady…just pointing it out, for those who may not have realised it is extremely rare.
I am one of those who likes to hunt & eat what I kill.
I like to fish.
I buy all my beef from a local beef farmer who along with a couple of neighbors have operations that are considered to be organic…no unnecessary additives, they’re not kept in feed lots like most western beef & fattened up on a unnatural diet full of vitamins, steroids & antibiotics to keep them alive long enough to make it to the slaughter shoot.
Until the lobster fishermen started selling their catch out of their trucks…I for more than 25 years have gone to Sambro & bought my lobsters from a couple of people I know from there & if they had none went over to the fish plant & got them there for our traditional New Years Lobster feast. i have friends who work as fishermen & buy my fresh haddock & other tastey criters directly from them in 10 lb batches that I redivide & freeze.
I may not be a veggie anymore, but I still grow my own veggies, make my own salsa, tomato sauce, & stewed tomatos, as I have for years.
What I eat is important to me & I too watch to do what i can to stay away from over mechanized food. I buy local freerange chickens…they’re often smaller than what you see in a store, but they are tastier as well. I get my eggs from a lady just up the road & when you pull into her place you got to be careful not to run over any of her chickens (so far I haven’t hurt one)
Also dear Oceanlady ,I agree to each his or her own…but poking fun is IMO causing no real harm , no more harm than say…eating a couple of grams of chicken in your quesadilla.
Kay: Have I tasted wild meat? Yes. Ptarmigan, caribou, moose, seal, rabbit, turr, arctic char, salmon, halibut, cod, capelin, flounder, mussels and lobster. These species were practically the only meats served for over 3 centuries by my family and ancestors in Newfoundland. We lived off the land, growing our own vegetables and harvesting wild fruits. The only storebought foods were flour and yeast for bread, sugar, molasses and other staples we could not provide for ourselves. Sorry to disillusion you, but never once did any of us within memory or legend suffer from tapeworm. Careful with those histrionic little eye rolls, you may hurt yourself!
Forgot to include trout on my list and probably several other species if I were to really think about it.
I thought only cat owners and eaters of raw meat got worms = p
Sorry More, for mistaking your meaning. Sometimes the printed word is open to interpretation and not always in the context meant by the writer. No offense taken:)
1) “” I’d bet that the majority of people against animal consumption are also against abortion.”‘
I disagree, but have no proof either way. Many veggies DO seem to be liberal…and to be liberal in your views USUALLY (not always) means to support a woman’s right to control her OWN reproductive cycle by choosing to terminate an unwanted pregnancy.
2) “”Their presence in the ecosystem is of greater benefit when human beings shop at a grocery store where the meat was bred for exactly the purpose of feeding you.”‘
Absolutley. And one of the great fallacies of the veggie crowd is that it is somehow more “noble” to go out and slay a wild animal….an animal that was born free, has a concept of “life” in the woods, has been taught how to survive and “live” by thousands of years of genetics and it’s parents….compared to a beef cow that has been bred to stand, eat and gain weight…has no concept of life/death and predators etc etc and was raised by parents that had nothing to teach them, other than EAT!
Even freerange food pisses me off…give the hen a taste of a natural life, and then snuff it out! Food is food and critters is critters, says I…
Oceanlady…not quite sure how you would choose not to eat meat for ‘ethical” reasons, if you weren’t “feeling bad for killing” the animals…which leads exactly to what I said…you are transferring your OWN horror and fear of death to an animal that blissfully never even sees it coming, lol…
As for sound “uneducated”, well I am just a truck driver, what do you expect?
Thanks though…
😉
Frosty I do not feel bad for the killing. I feel bad for the quality of life of the animal before it is killed.
I’m pretty sure most truck drivers can read. Formal education is more about pointing a person in a certain direction. It doesn’t have much to do with a person’s level of intelligence or insight.
Beware Oceanlady:
Frosty is laying out his Joe Blow I’m-just-a-truck-driver trap. Although it is designed particularly for sheep, it sometimes catches other trusting domesticated animals as well as a lot of unprepared wildlife.
For the most part unless i stress it, I’m either poking fun….or stirring the pot as we say down home by’s.
For me anyway the humanizing of all animals…well IMO we can all blame the Disney Corp. animals born in the wilds live a difficult & usually a damn short life. Desease, predation, starvation, accidents etc tend to keep animal populations in the wild generally in their prime…anything else but prime condition & something takes them out !
So I have no qualms about killing the ones I do, the only time I can say I’m bothered is when the kill isn’t clean…I don’t believe in torturing another creature, even the murderous scum called terrorists, but for them I can turn a blind eye & attempt to ignore it.
Farm raised animals don’t actually know anything above and beyond what they learn…there’s no animal farm schooling going on, they do not interact & care for each other. One only needs to put down say half the usual feed, for a group of farm animals , & stand back to see the free for all to consume it ! Anyone else ever live on a farm…know anything about the pecking order in chickens for example ? There some love being shown there 😉
Oceanlady no problem , I actually feel bad for you.
Not because your a veggie, but because you actually had a major part of that decission put on you at an early age because of your alergy(s)
But how the hell you can have family in Newfoundland & not get a few bottles of Moosemeat ,for those special occassions or as gifts for others (nod, nod, wink ,wink 🙂 I’ll never understand. Because that is really good eating, & yes we’ve always eaten it right out of the bottle with a big hunk of homemade bread & butter. Or if out at the camp dump it in a frying pan to warm it up & using only bread as a utensil ,eat it right out of the pan…damn mouths watering up a storm…I’m gonna go have a snack .
yea miss ocean; if their was a duel of matching wits i’d bet the house on the chilly trucker dude
Martym everyone is entitled to their opinion, even you. Wits and intellect are two different things. You stick with wits. I prefer intellect:)
people with their wits about them can do constructive things;higher IQ types tend to sit on ass and dole out snippits of smarmy shit!
hey a little alliteration there at the end; not too bad for an obtuse dumbass i would say
There you go trying to pidgen-hole people! This intellectual is an artist who invents, constructs and creates and is way too active to ‘sit on ass’ and dole smarm! Look outside the box and there I’ll be:P
you go girl!:)
Eat meat I say, just make sure it’s not someones Pet.Most vegans I’ve met, somehow all have a greyish tinge to them…lol
To avoid getting worms and other nasties, like scurvy, one must consume vats of sauerkraut with a few smokin’weenies, of course.
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Hint well taken More, but those care packages from Newfoundland only sometimes contain bottled moose and my family always covet those. Same goes for the bottled salmon and bottled bake-apples! Oh, for a moose license and a few cases of mason jars.
I had some bottled deer last year. I was skeptical… and then we cooked it up. Soooo good. No deer for us this year, doe tag and all, but the mason jars are ready for next year. (no, we won’t be going hungry, my dad got one and we spread the good fortune amongst the family).
Just got a phone call from a buddy in Newfoundland offering New Year wishes and a couple bottles of moose! Weirdly coincidental or what? (The bottled moose, not the New Year greeting)
The world is a very small place now Oceanlady.
To be truthful i’m not really a big fan of botteld fish…the only real exception to that is solumon gundy… some of the best I’ve had comes out of the area towards Sheet Harbour.
There was this guy & his wife from I believe it was Ship Harbour who used to sell it at the Penhorn mall flea market for several years…really one of the best i’ve ever had.
I’ve never had Solomon Gundy. Is it pickled fish, like roll mops (pickled herring)? I miss the Penhorn Flea Market but there is a reasonable substitute at the Dartmouth (former) Value Village location that is styled after my favourite flea market in Courtice, Ontario.
i think its the same ol it has onions and can range from too sweet to just right
Yeah, like paindirl said, the trick is getting it to be sweet to taste, but with a bite of sour. I believe these people i’m thinking about used some pickling spice in their mix as well as 2 types of vinegar.. they were a very nice older couple…but they weren’t giving out their family receipe & I was a good customer. I can never remember getting a bad batch, the fish literally melted in your mouth.
Never really been a fan of pickled fish. Pickled veggies…yum. Pickled eggs…not bad. Pickled fish…not so much. More for you.