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In-Flight Safety and Dimitri from Paris (?) get the “Sure Thing” tags in the live musice section for tonight but Joel Plaskett playing at the Cohn doesn’t? What’s wrong with this picture?
—Who the hell is Dimitri!?
This article appears in May 28 – Jun 3, 2009.
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er, by The Coast’s way of thinking, giving someone the entire front cover and a feature article kinda trumps the tiny “sure thing” box.
But what do we know, eh?
I love how there’s three ‘The Coast Sucks!’ tags in a row.
Dimitri is an exceptionally talented DJ and producer from France and he’s making his second appearance in Halifax. The demand for this event is actually pretty high and Dimitri does not disappoint.
Joel Plaskett plays in Halifax about what – about 5 times a year? How many “sure thing” Joel Plaskett shows do you really need to have?
Halifax, though, loves to have the same shows over and over and over again. Whenever a promoter tries something different its shat on.
Really though, Joel Plaskett is not Elvis Presley, folks.
Guy’s am I the only one who finds “extremely talented DJ’s” & Special Olympic Atheletes, to be in exactly the same catagory ????
-you’ve got to be leotarded to participate – 😉
Aw, Plaskett’s cooked and done. I’m gonna take my chances with Brett Randall and His Pinecones – the East Coast Tour at St. Matthew’s on Barrington St this Saturday primarily because a)I’m a huge Kinks fan and b)my nephew plays in the band.
More: Just because you don’t understand the hard work, dedication and extreme expense that goes into being a quality DJ, it doesn’t mean that no talent is required. I know probably half the DJs in Halifax and trust me, they don’t give two thirds of a flying fuck whether or not you like them. They’re doing just fine without you.
Never Wrong…you got me confused with someone W G A F !
I do feel a bit bad about the leotarded & special olympics crack. Those born with mental handicapped issues are unlike dj’s not responsible for their conditions. dj’s… well they don’t have an excuse do they? They just use the entertainment draw of real artists/musicians & with that, try to put a spin on it as if they somehow had something to do with the real work involved.CREATING THE DAMN MUSIC IN THE FIRST PLACE (just because you’ve got a big cd collection, that don’t impress me)
Unlike you (NEV Right) I’m perfectly capable of putting my own music into the machine…& damn it I know how to adjust the volume and everything (it really isn’t hard. maybe if you ask, the dj’s you know could teach you & with a couple of weeks training, you’d be as good as they are)
Who knows, maybe your good enough to move up to the next level- Karaoke host ! ! !
I’ve met some super talented Karaoke hostesses in Japan. Don’t knock that shit!
Off topic, but I think Dimitri is the most barf inducing name ever. You will never get ANYWHERE in life if your name is Dimitri.
When people say leotarded it makes my eye twitch. JUST FUCKING SAY RETARDED and stop being so ‘cute.’
More: You are hilarious! Not because of what you’ve said, but because you’re a grossly misinformed idiot. The “DJs” at the places that pathetic morons such as yourself frequent, like the Palace, the Dome and the Pacifico are as you say making a living off of other peoples music. Yes they pop in a CD (or click on an MP3) and voila! Done. DJs such as Dimitri, Kid Koala, DieselBoy and countless locals that have played here in Halifax don’t play CDs of bands. They play records (you know those round, black vinyl things) on turntables. Now you can go on and on about how “techno” music (as misinformed idiots like yourself call it) sucks and you don’t need any skill to play it, blah blah blah. So before you go saying that DJs have no talent, you should at least know what an actual DJ does.
I think the average listener has no appreciation for perfecting “the mix”. I think the average listener is also confused by what talent is required to spin. That’s not to say we should confuse music composition with mixing it. If you want to take this in a new direction I wonder who pays the copy right on the “other people’s music” said DJ spins? I’ve seen exactly ONE SOCAN support sticker in exactly ONE venue in the province (so far) and that’s the real crime.
As a lighting tech & rigger with IATSE in Nova Scotia I know exactly what a dj does. Not only that, I do not frequent any Halifax bar or nightclub pick on (sorry up ) spot. When I go out, I go to where live acts play (you know real musicians with REAL TALENT). Your so called record playing bozo’s I have unfortunately worked at the forum for one of those shows & refused to do another. One idiot (sorry dj) actually tried talking into his wireless mike backstage & was surprised no sound came out of it …sorry bozo but until the Audio tech in FRONT OF HOUSE sees you he won’t cue your mic idiot.
I have worked & I am still working in the REAL music scene for 20 plus years…& I know shit when I smell it. you continue to hang with your vinyl scratching pals, if that’s what floats your boart & i’ll continue to see live acts & real talent. dragging a vinyl record while posing isn’t good & it sure ain’t talent !
If we made Joel Plaskett the Sure Thing, people would bitch about why we don’t include enough DJs/metal bands/blues singers/rappers/every other genre/artist/musician in this city more often. As we did a cover story on Mr. Plaskett, I felt doing a Sure Thing on him as well would be redundant. As the person who selects Sure Things, I try to be as comprehensive as possible when covering stuff that’s happening in the city, because there are so many great DJs, bands and yes, karaoke hosts that are worth checking out in this city, as opposed to picking the same five people over and over again. But you can’t please everyone all the time. So it goes.
More: Oh wow! We’re all really impressed by your amazing story. No one gives a fuck what you do. Just beacuse you can flip a few switchs and turn some knobs, it doesn’t make you Butch Vig, Russell Simmons or Quincy Jones. You seem to think that only bands have any kind of talent and boy oh boy, it sure takes a whole lot of talent to get on stage and do shitty covers of other bands music. That’s what 90% of the live bands from here in Halifax play anyway. But, since you’re obviously god’s gift to the music scene here in Halifax, I’ll just have to totally change my opinion. Thank god for closed minded, arrogant morons like yourself. If it weren’t for people like you, music would never have evolved and branched out into it’s many forms.
Oh DJs, you silly bastards with your opinions.
As a DJ, I play a lot of Kaskade. He fits the description of a true musician.
Never Wrong – what genre’s are you into?
Dino – this Dimitri seems to be doing pretty well 😉
Also, More – when’s will you be doing a show at the Playboy Mansion?
Veering back to the original post, I have a question: when did all of Halifax begin residing inside of Joel Plaskett’s ass?
I don’t know when, but I know why. It’s the cheapest rent in town.
Lol Mile & leek! This city has always had an infatuation with local talent whether they’re actually good or not (i.e. sloan). IMO the best local talent (and isn’t really local since he’s from Truro) is Garrett Mason. This kid can play guitar and sing circles around Joel Plaskett.
agreed. His father was also the man. Used to play onstage in a moo-moo. What a fuckin hero.
Dutchie was indeed the man, and Garrett’s pretty fantastic too. Another talented young East Coast blues player is Matt Anderson, check him out, if you haven’t already.
Sam Moon used to play in to mumu – Dutch was confinded to a wheelchair the last five or six years. My hub-unit knew them both well and still sees Sam on occasion. Garrett is a true tribute to his megatalented ole man.
I love Matt Anderson and Charlie A-Court (??) who’s really good but looks like he’s shitting out a spicy chicken wing when he performing.
DJs aren’t trying to be musicians or undercut them when they use their songs. They tend to respect the talents of songwriters and musicians. They pay homage to the musicians they love by using their songs in their work. Any musician that’s threatened by this is either an egotistical snob or really insecure about their own music. Live and fucking let live.
‘Leotarded’ isn’t supposed to be used to refer to mentally disabled people. It’s used in place of ‘retarded’ when describing something that’s bad, because people tend to shit themselves when anyone uses the word that way (which is in my opinion completely RETARDED). I see the whole thing as a joke on the people who get offended, because “leotarded” sounds so ridiculous. But I suppose some people think using it is actually being respectful. I still can’t figure out if Dan Savage was sincere about it or not. I’m guessing no.
Who’s makin’ money off what music spun by the DJ’s? They may pay homage to musicians but they spend their careers undercutting copy rights and ripping off composers. There’s a place for the DJ’s talents in music (ie. Incubus) but, in clubs, they rip off those same musicians.
Yeah leetch, you’re thinking about Sam Moon in the mumu. He’s a great singer too. He showed at a house party I was entertaining recently. I got him to sing Minglewood’s “Can’t You See”. The whole house was singing the chorus.
Nice Goin’ Fat: Mostly I like DnB, Jungle, Dubstep and Breaks. What do you play?
The reason why I hate the word leotarded is because I don’t think for a second that Savage meant his suggestion sincerely, but rather, as you say, as a way to make light of those who’d prefer the word not be used. For someone who champions the rights of a marginalized group, he seems to have no trouble making light of another source of marginalization. I’m not really surprised, as agreeing with his critics would seriously compromise his “Cynical Bastard” writing style. The only time he writes sincerely about oppression is when his pet cause is under fire.
When I was growing up, retarded meant bad because retards are “intrinsically” bad. As I’ve gotten older and one would hope wiser, I’ve started to question this assumption. So every time I read leotarded, I basically hear a double helping of “fuck you” to a marginalized group. Then again, if you don’t mind making a poor rat’s eye twitch, by all means carry on.
NGF plays House, NW.
DJs are not ripping off other musicians one bit. If the artists who produce the tracks we play thought the same, then they obviously would not produce and remix tracks and press them on vinyl.
Or – they would not make accounts on Beatport and sell their tracks in mp3 format. Artists are compensated for their material, folks. And, for the most part, this type of music is not heard on most mainstream radio stations. Often you’ll have to find specialty stations for these genres.
The artists that we feature in our sets – we are paying an homage to them. If they didn’t want to make music and have other DJs and acts play them, they would not make them. They would not be producers/DJs either. Simple.
Most of the vinyl we buy are limited. Its not easy to find a record that has more than, say, 5,000 copies pressed. Not everyone who gets into this art form/business/industry is out to make a buck or even two bucks.
We’re just nerds with a taste for some electronica. Same with the folks in the studios and labs.
I’ll take a decent DJ over a rocking cover-band ANY day and night of the week.
And yes, I play house. Its more vocal-house and vocal-tech house than simple housey house. My sets are a bit deep but more on the funky side. One set was described as ‘erotic’ house because of the tracks I played.
Thanks, PK and NW. Oh – I use a bit of electro, progressive and the occasional break beat too.
Kay makes it seem like these artists aren’t getting compensated AT ALL. They receive compensation when their music is bought by the consumer, who is, in this case, the DJ.
And I know NGF, for instance is not into DLing illegal music…I’m guessing that’s the norm with most DJs because I don’t really think it’s common to play music they just downloaded for free off of limewire or whatever.
Spinning music in a club is A LOT different than playing a track on the radio or on MM, Kay.
Well, PK – a lot of the same producers whose music we purchase often play their own material in their sets. I’ve seen Kaskade twice and he plays a lot of his own remixes and originals and the remixes that other artists have done of his original works.
Some DJ acts like Hatiras and Daft Punk do live PA sets and create it as they go along (ie – Daft Punk’s Alive album).
I suppose Kaskade enjoys ripping himself off – as does Hatiras. Its networking, folks.
I’m sure that when Kaskade, for instance, makes a mix set and records/presses it and sells the actual CD the artists get royalties. Why else would someone like JES promote The Grand or even Tiesto’s shitty ass version of the same remix on her official website?
An amateur DJ saying to a technician “Just beacuse you can flip a few switchs and turn some knobs, it doesn’t make you Butch Vig, Russell Simmons or Quincy Jones.” – that’s rich.
While I do admit that there are DJ’s out there that stick out and are talented, entertaining and interesting enough to qualify (in my book) as great artist they are the minority(1% at best). Most of these guys are talentless hacks who don’t sound that much different than the last guy. Halifax is lucky enough to have a few of the former (Skratch Bastid). There’s also tons of great musicians who became DJs (Peter Hook) and visa versa in particular from the electronic music background. A few of these guys even cut their own customized disks to spin/mix together in different ways. I guess in some music you just have to sift through mountains of repetitive shite to find a few gems
MJ – you’d be shocked and disappointed if you saw a Peter Hook performance. You can Google it or find it on Youtube.
Hook doesn’t actually perform. What happens is he plays a mix set (done by another DJ) and he just stands behind the decks/set-up and dances around while tweeking and turning the knobs. The mixer isn’t even hooked up to the system.
Its like Ozzy’s daughter years ago. She would play an Aphrodite CD/mix and just pretend she’s doing all the work.
You’re not paying to see those folks “DJ”. You’re paying just to see them. That’s it.
Murder Junkie: I never claimed to be an amateur DJ. Get your facts straight. And as far as my comment is concerned, you also missed the sarcastic note there. I am well aware of the need for quality audio techs when it comes to a live set. I know that there is a lot more involved than just flipping some switches and turning a few knobs and dials. My point was that if More wants to label all DJs as talentless rip-off artists who only click play on a CD, then all he does as an audio tech is exactly as I said. Flip some switches and turn some knobs.
As for the comments about DJs not paying for the music that they use, I don’t know how it works with “DJs” who play the top 40 stuff at the clubs, but the DJs who spin vinyl, use CDJs or programs such as Serato and Ableton all pay for their tracks. I know probably half of the DJs (turntablists) here in Halifax and every one of them is very much against ripping off tracks and/or stealing them.
Sorry NW – The ” Mostly I like DnB, Jungle, Dubstep and Breaks. What do you play?” comment threw me.
Thanks for the heads up on PH, NGF.
i am happy there not all about promotiong Joel Plaskett no offense but just because I live here doesnt mean i love Joel Plaskett! i am happy its not shoved down my throat
Never wrong…you are unfortunately mistaken…again .I never said I was an audio tech…learn to read little boy. You are also mistaken about me saying I was god’s gift to the music scene ‘WTF’ what I said is still posted & the god’s gift crack is your attempt to put words not mine into your post. I responded to your other mistake in a previous post about assumptions that I frequent the palace,dome etc. which I do not.
I work with live acts, at the cohn, metro centre,alderney gate, cunard centre, centre 200, casino & at many of various venues & outdoor summer shows across the Maritimes.
dj’s flip a few switches turn a knowb or two & usually have inferior equipment & I’ve never seen any of them without at least one junk Canadian tire extension cord bright yellow or orange. You obviously have no knowledge…actually you haven’t got a clue what techs do to set up for a show & how hard we work. We unlike your hero’s don’t pose & live off the work of others as our claim to fame. We work for the various Production Houses that need skilled & unskilled people to build & tear down these shows.
In comparing dj’s to cover bands, at least the guy’s in cover bands can actually play instruments ,read music & blow any dj I ever heard or seen right out of the water. The last dj I had to unfortunately pay any attention to was at the last Akon show & that guy was as entertaining as watching paint dry…although Akon with his background singers were pretty good & it wasn’t a bad show at all, even with a no talent dj hack on stage with them.
You might want to change your obviously mistitled handle from ‘never wrong’ to ‘rarely right’.
Audio tech LMFAO where did you manage to get that from a comment that said I’m a lighting tech & rigger because I observed a dj complaining that his mic wasn’t working backstage when he tried spitting/hacking/gargling & sound didn’t seem to be coming out of it (sound doesn’t come out of the mics guy’s)…FYI – it comes out of the PA & the monitors.
You don’t have any glory, More. Nobody cares about the sound people and riggers, etc. Even the roadies are getting more than you do – and they’re the carnies of the music scene.
Follow the money. When an artist releases a song and makes it available for purchase you are NOT purchasing publishing rights… that is, the right to perform it, distribute it, resell it, remix it, change it or anything else, which is exactly what a DJ does.
A cover band playing other people’s music without permission is also technically violating copyright law…. just follow the money! Like I said I’ve seen exactly one venue that observes copy rights and pays into SOCAN.
At least karaoke DJ’s pays a blanketing premium for copyright when they purchase the artist’s karaoke media.
Wait, wait, wait wait….wait…TTFN’s nephew plays for THE KINKS?!
Kitty says, “Spinning music in a club is A LOT different than playing a track on the radio or on MM” and she doesn’t know what she’s talking about.
It’s a “performance” entitled to “performance royalty” whether played at a club or broadcast on TV or radio so no kitty, there is NO difference. If you had said spinning music at home was A LOT different than doing so in a revenue generating public club I could have agreed with you.
Food for thought… Every time you hear or see Anne Murray perform Snowbird she’s doing so WITH permission from the writer, Gene MacLellan. She PAYS him a performance royalty every time she does it live (via SOCAN). Anne only makes money through endorsements, on ticket sales and through a fairly small percentage of CD sales because she didn’t write any of that music, she only licenses it. She earns nothing but popularity when you hear her on the radio or on television which serves to improve ticket sales as she tours.
More: Oooooh! You’re a real big man. You called me “little boy”. Got me shaking in my little booties now. You’re pathetic you loser. You’re one of these keyboard warrior asshole idiots who think it’s ok to put words into someone elses mouth, but the only thing you want put into yours is your live band hero’s dick. You still seem to think that you’re some sort of hero yourself. You’re not. People aren’t there to see how your amazing skills at setting up and tearing down. They’re not there to see your awe inspiring job of running cables and lights. They’re there to see the artists, be it a live band or DJ. Not your tired, pathetic, uninspiring self. Wow. I am so impressed by what venues you’ve “worked” at. Can I get your autograph Mr Cool? You’re my new hero. I want to stand around, trying to make it look like I’m doing something, when really all I do is string some cables and run expensive power cords. Nice to see that you judge the skills of a DJ based on what extension cords they use. Shows how good a judge you are. Trust me, no one cares about what you do. You’re a nothing. You say that you don’t try to live off the glory of the musicians, yet that’s exactly what you’re trying to do. “you haven’t got a clue what techs do to set up for a show & how hard we work”. I know exactly what you do and how “hard” it is. It’s not hard at all. I’ve done set up and tear downs for live bands, DJs and theatre. Your job is easy. Your handle is right though, More. More of an idiot than most on here. More self loving than anyone else too. You’re a sad loser trying to grasp at glory and you’re just jealous that DJs have a following, unlike you. Get over yourself jackass.
M-E-L-T-D-O-W-N!
Also, Are you aware that there are people in this world that have a severe medical condition which causes them to be that way? My mother for instance is one of those people. She is a truck driver that has bad knees and a bad back from driving the truck but you probably do not care about that case either. Oh well I am not one of those people I am 6’4″ 245lbs and I exercise every day. I would love to see you say something like to my mother in front of me. Probably never happen though you are probably just an internet tough guy. I doubt very seriously you would say that to someones face. Just my thought.What do you think. Oh I am sorry you probably do not have a brain. I on the other hand will be happy to buy you a plane ticket to come here and see if you have the nerve to say that to someone I know.
hehe, now that’s entertainment! More, maybe you should tell them why shielded power cords from Can Tire just don’t cut it. Could it have something to do with “noisy power”? Ah, fuck it, don’t tell them your secrets. Besides, if you make it look easy you’re doin’ a FINE job! And I mean that.
Hey, Dino, my nephew plays for Brent Randall and his Pinecones – a lot of their stuff is Kinks-influenced. The gig was awesome except for this duo, the Superfantastics, who sucked a stump. Did you hear that the Libertines are reuniting next year? I can’t fucking wait!
Hey Rarely Right
…we don’t have an audience when we set up & tear down a show. The only people who come around are wanna be’s like yourself (the unskilled who push the cases). LOL & they don’t last long because the work & the hours are too damn hard .
Go play with your record player…its all you got & all you’ll ever have.
If only you had more material than just dj’s locally, you might some day be right up there with panhandlers as an entertainer yourself.
have a nice day .
More: You’re so witty! I think I’ll start taking lessons from you. You bitch about me “attempting to put words into your post”, but here you are doing exactly that. You’re a hypocrite and an idiot to boot. As I said, I’ve worked set up and tear down for live shows, DJs and theatre. Not once did I ever hang around before or after show otherwise. Nor did I ever quit because the work was too hard, blah blah blah. So you can take your hypocritical “I’m so damned cool because I can set up for a show” attitude, along with your complete lack of viable skill set and run along little girl.
More’s just bitching because riggers got no game.
“I’ve seen exactly one venue that observes copy rights and pays into SOCAN.” – kaytard
So every time you walk into a venue, you inquire about their SOCAN license? Though I wouldn’t think you incapable of this type of audacity, I doubt you have knowledge of whether or not the majority of venues pay into SOCAN, so your statement is ridiculous.
And frankly, who gives a fuck if cover bands or djs are using music without permission? It’s not like any of the musicians/djs playing locally are getting rich from playing other people’s tracks. Even if they were paying SOCAN for a performing or mechanical license, the amount of money going to the original artist is laughably miniscule. Copyright goons aren’t going to bother harassing anyone playing cover tunes in the local pub for a petty few dollars in licensing fees.
TTFN!!!!! WHAT?!!! THE LIBERTINES ARE REUNITING!!! OMG! I NEVER SAY OMG! PRAISE THE LORD!! Fuck that just made my day.
You sound totally retarded inventing words as you go along, me0w.
BTW Mechanical royalties are managed at the duplication phase and get collected and paid by a different organization (CMRRA or something like that) or the copy just isn’t made. Simple.
Let’s do some math. Mustang Sally is played by nearly every cover band / rock band around here *gag* (and twice on Sundays at a certain popular blue’s bar in town) so how many times in how many venues… how many dollars in licensing/performance royalties is that again? And that’s just one song by one artist. Shall we start counting DJ content as well? Let’s pay those royalties quarterly then you decide if it’s a ‘petty’ amount of money or not.
A SOCAN support decal is typically displayed within a venue with pride. If it’s not displayed it’s more likely they’ve never heard of SOCAN (let alone pay into it) rather than filing it or tossing it away. There aren’t ‘copy right police’ to monitor such a thing… yet. As record companies loose more and more to illegal sharing of music files this revenue potential rises higher and higher on the list of possibilities. Just wait and see… eventually you’ll be seeing the licensed artist or the indie band in small live venues and/or SOCAN support displayed with pride. The question is, do the record companies lead the way or does the artist? In the meantime we turn a deaf ear to the issue of copy right.
I know what mechanical royalties are, asshole. In most cases, they amount to exactly 7.7 cents per song per copy of a CD, which amounts to peanuts unless you’re making millions of copies.
As far as performance royalties go, any venue can be issued a blanket performance license from SOCAN, which means any band can play as many covers as they want legally. So long as the performance isn’t recorded and distributed, they’re totally legit. As far as a SOCAN sticker being ‘proudly displayed’, that’s bunk. A venue can choose to display it if they wish, but it’s certainly not mandatory, and the fact that it’s not displayed gives you no indication either way. Typical of you though, kaytard, to make assumptions.
And, FFS, Mustang Sally is practically a standard at this point, it’s the blues equivalent to Stairway to Heaven. It was written in the 60s, and its been covered by everyone and their dog since then, so I doubt anyone’s suffering for lack of royalties. My point, that you managed to ignore entirely, is that anyone playing covers at any divey Halifax bar is probably not even making a living from it, let alone getting rich, so paying royalties is absurd.
I’d love to know what words I’m making up, as well. I apologize if my intellect and vocabulary far surpasses yours, but just because you don’t understand the big words, doesn’t mean they’re not in the dictionary.
me0w, you’re a fucking retard. I hope you land hard.
Wow, brilliant retort, kaytard. Thanks for continuing to set the bar for trashiness and ignorance here at LTWWB. Your lack of class and inability to debate intelligently are truly a gift to us all.
Fuck off, Kay, Meow’s my girl. Judging by the pissing match between Never Wrong and More, NW basically got More up the ass with a sickle.
i’ve received records and CDs from visiting headliner DJs in the past – their own works. when i received these honours, the headliners told me to play it loud and play it lots. not once did they say anything about their royalties.
did spark up a couple though if that helped.
LOL @ Neverwrong and me0w. *throw’s another handful of popcorn in mouth*
Rarely right ! ! ! You have to be there before a show & after a show to set it up & tear it down…so what is it, you have done this or as your last post said ” Not once did I ever hang around before or after a show”
If you weren’t there before & you were never there after.
Please enlighten us on how exactly you helped set up or tear out anything ? Seeing as its done before a show & then immediately after lol. As was used by a member on the investigation of the Karl Schrieger affair to Brain Mulrooney’s testimony.
quote-“I’m not calling you a Liar…I just don’t believe you .” -unquote
Another wanna be dj…& this one can’t get his story straight !
1fallingangels1 – Where did you put the popcorn ?
More: Your reading comprehension skills and understanding of the english language are astounding! You are essentially admitting that all you do is hang around before and after the show. You don’t do anything else. Just hang around with your thumb up your butt, doing nothing. Nice to see that you’ve admitted that you don’t do sweet fuck all as a rigger. You see, in my comprehension of the english language, hanging around involves waiting for something or someone, while not really doing anything. You implied that this is what I do at shows, which is completely inaccurate. When I go to a show, I don’t hang around before or after. When I helped set up and tear down, I wasn’t “hanging around”, I was working. I’d really like to thank you for being able to admit that you don’t really do anything and that you just hang around.