Leave the words to the national anthem alone, motherfuckers. —Will Sing it as is Till I Die
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Then stay in junior high, chief. Congrats.
Dumbass:
http://www.pch.gc.ca/pgm/ceem-cced/symbl/a…
so this is political correctness, next thing you know, they’ll want separate washrooms for all genders. male, female, and idiot douchebags. i’ll vote for the last, for polititions and dingbats alike.
i see that fucking troll thing is deleted, good riddence. what an absolute fuck up that was. and i see the other party is back also,hmmmmm. even i am not that fucking gross, or vile.
Sure make the change. Now if the feminists make these groups gender neutral; Status of women Canada, national Council of women of Canada, Canadian Federation of University Women, Canadian Labor Congress- Women’s Committee, Canadian Research Institute for the Advancement of Women….etc.
Maybe some will see feminists less as complainers and naggers.
I’m more insulted that the politicians think these are the type of decisions we want them making, than I ever could be by the lyrics of the anthem.
When women achieve parity with their male counterparts there will be no need for the groups noted. Currently, however, there are social and economic barriers preventing parity/equality. As an example, Canadian women (averaged as a population) make 65c to the male dollar, which represents a 13% decrease in the last ten years.
It’s well known that those are misleading statistics. They are spewed from feminist groups who will lose funding if they show anything different. What they don’t account for are hours worked, experience and education. They are merely based on age.
See they’ll show you that the education and age are the same and there is a difference in pay but they leave out that one took two years off to raise a child (not that they should be punished but it’s a choice).
I think we should just steal “La Marseillaise” from the French. Now THAT’s a national anthem…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBPqL1nuU7o
I don’t think it was the feminists who came up with the suggestion to change the national anthem to a more “gender neutral” version.
I think it’s the government who is trying to come up with new things they did on their Winter Break (aka – consulting canadians about the economy – cough, cough). Remember this is the government that made cuts to the Status of Women offices (12 out of 16 closed down), fucked up the Child Care “bonus” for low income parents (and made it taxable – Canada is tied in LAST PLACE of all UN countries for our Child Care programs), and slowly took grants and benefits from non profits that help women in need and reallocated those monies to more “conservative” friendly organizations.
But no you are right, it’s all the feminists faults.
Get a little more educated before slinging those accusations. Feminists are looking out for the rights that better our country… if not, you will not see any help for women and children rights in our country… unless you are trying to secure your votes like the change of tune we are now hearing from the government on these issues.
Wow, quite the bitch, what was the OP talking about again?
From StatsCan, 2001 (notes statistical discrepancy):
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/75-001-x/0120…
Abstract (sorry but I’m not paying for article) from Centre for Labour Market and Social Research, 1998:
http://ideas.repec.org/p/fth/clmsre/98-04.…
Canadian Journal of Economics, 2010 (again not paying); I believe the line “A gender earnings gap remains, the bulk of which can be explained by differences in men’s and women’s rank and field,” eludes to advancement barriers in certain fields:
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal…
WorkRights.ca, 2007:
http://www.workrights.ca/content.php?doc=1…
/end soapbox
every article you list that was available was referencing the late 90’s for their data.
I’m sure there’s a gap, but I don’t think it’s as dramatic as they’d have you think.
again, it wouldn’t push their agenda if they didn’t show it in the worst possible light.
“Feminism is the radical notion that women are people”. In that sense, I guess I am a feminist. TTFN, someone as smart as you should know that feminism isn’t about man-hating. It’s about equality.
As for the anthem, I don’t care about the gender reference but I could do without the references to “God”.
They say that crap but show me a company or government that pays a difference between a male and female for the same job/rank/experience. Do the guys who work at Rotten Ronnie’s or Tim’s on the counter make more than the women?
I saw the start of the movement which, yes, originally stood for equality – then I watched the movement taken over by radical elements in the 80s and 90s which turned me off forever. I’ve never had a problem with equal pay for the last 20+ years – that’s because I knew my worth and so did the people who employed me. Feminism has made victims of women, oh, boo hoo fucking hoo – well, sweetheart, no man has ever been able to offend me on the workplace but it wasn’t because they didn’t try. It was because I knew they were looking for a reaction and I never gave them the satisfaction.
This is bad, but it could be worse. If I Believe becomes the national anthem, I’m starting a rebellion.
Feminist are looking out for themselves. Don’t be mistaken men will fight for children’s rights in our country. Nice that you use children as pawns in your attempt.
It may still be years before all Canadians buy into the idea that men can do child raising, daycare and babysitting just as well as women.
Three- we could go for days about this, sadly I have to get some work done today.
Yes, there is a wage gap, and it’s NOT because of “misogny.” The answer is male and female preferences, abilities, working hours and field of work. For pay equity, “nothing has changed” because women still choose to work less! Women work more part-time and get more time off than men, particularly for child rearing. You get higher wages for putting more time and effort into it, that’s only fair. And, that’s not even taking into account the field of work! Men, and (and a few women) are in construction, finance, technology, etc…that’s more lucrative than more female lines of work. Also men do most of the dangerous jobs, which is therefore also lucrative, and they account for over 92% of workplace deaths. Notice how they state a “comparable” job? Not the “same” job??? How convenient.
Men are so fair and innovative and generous to women that they even get tax payer money to fund free training for trades, ONLY FOR WOMEN who want to work in them. Male politicians are doing this, because that’s how generous men are even at the expense and DISCRIMINATION of other men. Keep in mind other men are funding these also.
Men pay over 70% of ALL TAXES, but are the smallest group of government beneficiaries!! More government programs go to women than men, but men pay over 70% of taxes. Quite a “gap” alright.
End hi-ja-ck
balls to the walls…
I like it…
And this is why we still have the problem, people get on the defensive and don’t look at the bigger picture.
Did you know right now women are lobbying the MPs on Child Care?
I’m not saying that men don’t care, but they aren’t out there in the numbers they should be.
Why? Because it’s still seen as a women’s job to do the child rearing.
And because a women chooses to speak out on this or other things she is labled a feminist, which if you look at the defintion isn’t a bad thing (thank you Combat Baby).
Trying to get men to speak up against Violence Against Women (yet another thing I’ve lobbied about) or Pay Equity (yes there is still a problem just not as severe as in the 90’s because it is slowly improving), doesn’t work. Because the majority of men (as seen here in the comments) don’t understand the issue because it doesn’t affect them personally.
They are happy with the fact the child rearing is up to the women. They are happy with the fact they don’t have the same challenges we do to break into the “traditionally” male dominated trades.
Just saying… read up a little more (a little deeper) on the barriers that are still out there. Then remember you heard someone on here actually mentioned that to you once.
I’m not saying anything is wrong with men, just saying that usually they aren’t the ones out there raising their voices up for the injustices we still face.
I’m with you TTFN on the feminists. Get over it and live your own life, Ladies!
And choose the ignore the fights that others face because they feel they have no voice.
I’ve got a mighty fine life thank you, worked hard to get it. But still care about society.
OUT.
RSCC … I completely understand that but changing the lyrics of an anthem that is over a 100 years old when women did not fight in the war is ridiculous if you ask me. Just leave it be.
the god part irks me, but as long as i don’t have to sing god save the fucking queen(sex pistols version aside). our anthem isn’t very catchy but it is not on my radar…the trough eaters should find better things to do
Lulz has anyone looked at the picture of Michaëlle Jean and Harper on the Herald’s front page? Man if looks could kill.
so they want to change the song from thy son’s command…..but the feminists or whomever is pushing for the change have probably no idea what “thy son’s command” relates to. so here goes…it is in reference to Jesus….not to men of the country. also God keep our land….so do you want to change that too? leave MY national anthem alone. the one i salute to when it plays and sing with all my heart. im not religious either so i love my anthem because it is beautiful the way it is. otherwise get out of my country 😀
When I first heard this on the news this morning, the feminists came to mind right away. I think the Gov’t has far bigger concerns right now than the wording of the anthem.
RSCC, and how many women are out there daily raising money for testicular cancer?
not many,… they have their own junk to worry about.
we all have causes… (hopefully) … that we support.
If men choose to support those that impact them more closely, well who are you to judge?
Z, you have just inspired me to raise money for ball cancer. I’m off to go get my 18L water jug and get on those corners for change
you sure you don’t want to raise it for breasts?
(psst, not cancer research, DD implants… 🙂
you’d be raising a whole lot more than just funds with those…
I do not believe that feminists are push for this change. I fully believe that this is a government that is trying to distract the population with a red herring. This is a distraction so we can talk about our nationalism/history/gender or anything but the other issues at hand. We just had a 6000 word speech following a poorly justified prorogued parliament…and this is what we focus on?
Intriguing, but I think the awareness that I would raise would be on the small side.
well my balls thank you for any awareness or funds you happen to come across.
it’s very unselfish of you and may be sorely needed one day.
This reminds me of the uproar that started when they started using both French and English language lyrics in schools, which made sense because the person who wrote it was French…
Anyways, I don’t see the issue. Let them waste their time and change the lyrics. Not that I actually think that they will, it’s more of a symbolic gesture really. Even if they do, the people that actually know the words to the anthem (only about 25% of Canadians know all the words) will still sing: In All Thy Sons Command.
But hey, at least it’s not all flash-bang gee whiz like the Yank’s anthem. It reads like a love letter to explosives. Either that, or a historically ambiguous Mel Gibson film.
This is what my taxpayer dollars paid for? Is this what you guys prorogued for?
I want my money back.
Add it onto my tax refund.
Why? et al: Parliament was prorogued for one reason – so Harper and MacKay did not have to turn over the Afghan detainee abuse documents.
The Dictator forgot to serve a gag order to his staffer (CoS? I forget) that he fired in December. This guy has gone public to say that the Afghan issue was the sole issue for proroguing parliament, and that a long absence, the Olympics, and some smoke and mirrors (see anthem as an example) would distract Canadians from the issue.
wiki says it’s CDS…
and I’d like to see a little more ‘smoke’ and a little less mirrors.
You’re right, Three. It’s par for the course, really. Problem is, I don’t think the media’s gonna allow it to just disappear… Meanwhile the Liberals are slowly climbing the polls.
So my question to all of you Love-The-Way-We-Bitchers is this:
If they do change the lyrics. Will you sing the new version or the old one?
And why will you sing that particular version?
I am asking this in all seriousness, so please answer honestly.
I will hum in harmony.
as long as it doesn’t discriminate against zombies and includes them in the anthem, I will sing the new one.
otherwise, I will refer to the version I was originally taught.
i sing the old old version w/o spaghetti monsters and i sing it in french
I’ll sing the old version, mostly because it’s how I memorized it.
I’ll sing the bilingual anthem as it is now.
And Three; linky to a news article showing that “This guy has gone public to say that the Afghan issue was the sole issue for proroguing parliament,”?? kthxbi
I can’t believe that out of that whole horrid throne speech, the only thing peope seem to be complaining about is a suggested one-line change to our national anthem. yeeeesh.
Keep the anthem as is assholes…
And it is called a Christmas Tree, Not a Holiday Bush….SHeesh.
TBAC, bear with me while I try to find it again (found through Reddit first time). I’ve been testing a website, so cache, history, cookies, and everything are non-existent.
Personally, I like the version from the Olympic Wonder bread commercial. Those kids are just so cute and the words make no sense. Perfect!!
This is not the exact article, but the last paragraph says pretty much the same thing (Tom Flanagan was Harper’s former CoS, but not the person fired in December):
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor…,