Here is a great business idea for those looking to capitalize on the returning students: Consent Pads
Pads of forms they can use to get their sexual partner to sign off on consent. It would take the ambiguity out of situations like:
1. Oh, s/he has had half a beer – s/he might turn around tomorrow and say the sex we had was non-consentual.
2. s/he hopped into bed after I bought dinner but when I didn’t buy breakfast s/he is calling it rape.
3. S/he said s/he wanted to be tied up and post a video online but after the fact is having second thoughts and saying it wasn’t agreed to..
The list can go on… but if you just had a pad of sequentially numbered three copy carbon forms outlining the agreed upon details of the rendez vous, signatures of both parties, a copy for each partner + an original for file records you could avoid a whole lot of messiness. For added protection, you could always get the form notorized.
The added benefit of which would be if when filling out said form you notice “oh, I’m form number 000525” then you can double wrap it. Or, clubs could have contests where you bring in your completed office copies to enter them in a draw for a free drink! Imagine the possibilities! —This is getting too much….
This article appears in Sep 12-18, 2013.
For added protection you could try not being a sloot.
Also, this was pretty entertaining to read OP, well done!
People reporting false rapes is an incredibly rare occurrence, the percentage is below 0.05%. It’s not worth the repeated victimization or the slap on the wrist the assailant usually gets–if the assailant’s even prosecuted. Families of the victims who end up killing themselves usually state that their children told them before the fact it was the judgement of their peers that lead them to depression/suicidal thoughts, not the rape itself. A woman’s life is torn apart when she reports her rape, every aspect of it inspected and she is put on trial more than the rapist.
An advocate of still more bureaucracy, eh.
Guess we know how you’re voting next month^^
Thanks for the larf – (HarperDevil?)
Another idea for “Consent Pads” could be like a feminine hygiene product with some kind of bear-trap like device built into it.
The OB isn’t too far off. The way things are going people are going to be too afraid to say anything or be romantic fearing they will say something not PC or take their intentions the wrong way. I can see someone saying, can I touch your hand, can I hold your hand and everything right up to can I hide the salami (yeah start ragging on the terminology) and wait for a yes after each question.
You know giving consent in written form while intoxicated is just as invalid as speaking it, right? Ugh you sound like such a skeeve.
OP, what planet did you get this ludicrous idea from…if a girl likes you, there are a lot of ways she will let you know…anybody hands me a piece of paper, no matter what’s written, I’ll just crumple it and toss it in nearest refuse bin
Hey OP, sexual assault is not a joke–ever. You disgust me as much as the women who treat it as something to be used as a defense against theor own poor judgement. Fuck off, loser.
I will gaze into my crystal ball and say that OP has never been raped.
bro tim, ahhh yes, the romantic sweet nothings whispered into one’s ear ‘take off your pants you fucking bitch or i’ll cut them off’
you guys don’t have a clue. not a clue. and despite your idiotic, smug, self righteousness, I hope you never do.
The OP is an idiot!
hahahaha koda thanks for the quick edit.
You done fucked up now, OP. Shesang NEVER gets upset on here. Lets hope she doesn’t find your address.
On another note – you’re right GDM, I am a smug, self-righteous idiot. But so are you.
Sexual Assault is not acceptable, neither is rape-culture or even simply treating a woman in any way other than your equal. This is what I believe and what I stand for. Remember that I said that before you jump down my throat for what I’m about to say next.
The OP, in my opinion, was being kind of tongue-in-cheek with regard to the whole ‘consent is sexy’ thing we’ve been hearing about constantly lately. Is it a good thing to talk about this and raise awareness? ABSOLUTELY. Is there some media-fatigue regarding this topic, PERHAPS for some people. When any story is covered to this extent there is almost always a group of people, usually trolls, who are going to exploit it to get a reaction from people – or to simply poke fun at the topic satirically. I can certainly appreciate that someone who has suffered a sexual assault would not be amused by a post like this and I apologize if my previous comments on this thread were insensitive.
^^ huh? hoist, I didn’t call you a smug self righteous idiot, I was referring to OP and bro.
me, I consider myself arrogant and intolerant. but according to others, awfully kind and patient. go figure.
I don’t think OP was playing devils advocate on this. I think OP considers something like ‘date rape’ a myth. or a morning after change of heart. I think this post is not an invitation to discuss, its a dismissal.
discussion is much needed.
I find rape at any age upsetting. and its just a sliding scale from that 4 month old who was raped by her step daddy while her mom cheered him on to the 16 year old who passes out at a party and gets handed around like a joint. then trashed by her peers. or the 30 year old who accepts a ride home from someone she was introduced to at a party and who ends up in the boonies and pinned against the car door, forced to blow her ‘date’ . who is going to believe her?
at what age do we just stop believing? at what age do we turn on girls and women and start stoning them with our slut shaming? women of 60 who are raped (and even held hostage and raped repeatedly) get accused of wanting it because they are old and undesirable in the open market. I mean, Christ almighty. we are back to the 80 year old nun with multiple stab wounds before the snide remarks stop.
the ‘post rape’ experience is so hideous. so shaming, so demeaning and such an assault on every part of you that it is NOT something that anyone would take on just for spite. so yeah, I get fed up with the chorus of ‘false rape! false rape!’
Ah then I misread your post as being directed at Ivan, Brotim and myself as opposed to the OP and brotim. My bad. I’m on Champex and irritable, for that reason am going to bow out of this convo for the night.
Wasn’t defending OP. But with regard to ‘slut shaming’ I maintain that a lot of these problems could be solved if both genders exercised more discretion with regard to the quantity and quality of the people they became intimate with. NOT ALL of the problems, of course – but a significant amount.
best wishes and ‘hang in there’ on your withdrawal. it’s ugly. I quit in 2007 after 40 years.
SheSang I wholeheartedly agree with you.
Not only am offended by OP’s letter I find it very upsetting.
Last night I had a dream that I was floating around watching people get HORRIBLY injured in car wrecks and I could feel their pain. (I mean graphic – brains coming out of heads kind of stuff). haha but it’ll be worth it if I can quit smoking. Thanks GDM, sorry again for the misunderstanding.
GDM to to state someone never lies about sexual assault is wrong. I’ve been involved in cases where the victim did lie and was caught in those lies. Sexual assault is wrong as is using sexual assault for revenge or after guilt feelings. Each and every case must be looked at individually and perpetrators of any of the above must be punished. There is a fear factor out there affecting both sexes.
that’s the anti depressant stuff I think.
bro tim, I don’t know how you ‘were involved’ in those cases but facing someone like you, with your attitude, across a table after being raped is something that no one should have to experience.
I already bought a consent form 10 years ago and have not need another one since.
It is called a marriage license.
GV Spousal rape does exist.
Yup op. I agree.
You’d get laid a lot less, is what i’m guessing.
Fucking ass… If she doesn’t say yes, it means no, you piece of shit. I hope someone reports you eventually because it sounds like a woman not wanting to have sex with you is enough to incur your… wrath? And what else op?
Cunt.. Go fuck your mother.
Seriously.
GDM, I have investigated cases where sexual assaults have happened and have not happened. I have seen both perpetrators and victims lie. You don’t have to believe me, just sit in on some trials, talk to both Crown and Defence attorneys and listen to the stories. Things ARE NOT the way you believe they are. They are not black and white. Again every case has to be taken on their own merits. I know you don’t want to hear but it is the way it is. And trust me if you’re in trouble, you’d want me on your side.
Yea,like a cop would NEVER blame a rape victim for the assault.**Sarcasm**
Usually the whole fucking system re-victimizes the rape victim.Not to mention her family and friends who sit in judgement and who also end up blaming her for the sexual assault.
Those like OP who make light of sexual assault(rape)sicken me.
It’s been my experience that satire and “black humour” are invariably more about defanging one’s own personal fears than reveling in the pain of another. So,on that level, I enjoyed the OP’s absurdist take on the complex art of courtship and copulation. This from a proud non-rapist – 52 years and still going strong.
I also recognize that humour is a wickedly subjective concept,so I’m not too stung by those who find the piece objectionable.
The Captain believes OB may be exhibiting Secondary Traumatic Stress Disorder (STSD), or “Compassion Fatigue”
This is likely due to the intense media coverage recently of anything related to consent or sexual assault. OB has been ‘numbed’ to the pain of others who have first hand experience of these issues, allowing OB the unique opportunity to take a satirical approach to consent.
There’s been lots of energy directed at creating possible solutions to these problems. OB’s post was a jab at this process, which is fundamentally flawed, and unlikely to make considerable changes.
We may not like to call it the way it is… but our current solutions to these problems are only a step removed from tar & feathering anyone remotely involved with an incident, hanging rapists and sexual assailants, publicly humiliating and guaranteeing the unemployment of any authority figure attached to an event, perpetually playing the blame game, ‘slut-shaming’, shaming apparent ‘slut-shamers’, taking the fun from everyone because of the actions of a few, and turning all sides of this debate against one another in an attempt to ‘out’ those of us who either aren’t sympathetic enough or are likely to commit an offense ourselves.
Imagine standing by the edge of the Ocean, it’s still, blue waters stretching off to the horizon. Now imagine on your one side there’s a large pipe dumping the most toxic, foul liquid into that ocean. This toxic waste represents all the causes of all the sex violence problems we are experiencing in society today. Now, on your other side you’ve installed another pipe, but this pipe only dumps the most beautiful, peaceful, unicorn, rainbow utopia crap into the ocean in an attempt to dilute the other pipes contents…
Do you see how this is futile? The same analogy can be applied to our current sex culture. That big pipe, dumping all the causes into our ocean, cannot be combated by conventional means (ie: sensitivity training, firing authority figures, pasting event all over the media, and limiting individuals freedoms). You can’t stop rape culture by combating rape culture, at least not directly. Your war will go as splendidly as the War on Drugs (which is going terribly and may in fact have caused more problems than it solved). We must go after the fundamental causes of these problems. It’s not boys or girls that are creating this environment of sexual violence. WE are raising kids in an environment that creates sexual predators. WE are responsible. What are WE doing?
cap, I need a lot of time (which I don’t have right now) to respond to your ideas. excellent comment. later gator
IS “FEMALE HUMOUR” AN OXYMORON?
“There’s a lot of angry women out there.” (Alan Bloom, The Closing of the American Mind, 1987)
The surprise on reading “Consent Pads,” a rather boring spoof on the current culture of consent, was not so much the fact that it was not quickly dismissed for what it clearly was but rather how quickly the hysterical female commenters ratcheted it up to the level of rape. Why was this so? It is so because females, generally speaking, lack a sense of humour. Like the married bachelor, “female humour” is an oxymoron, a contradiction in terms. Normally it is anger, not humour, which is their default position, one which clearly shown in a number of their comments. They were just furious. But this simply drives the question back one step. Why do females lack a sense of humour?
A sense of humour is the product of imagination and imagination, in the present case, consists of discrepant mental images, that of the current culture of consent and a spoof on that culture. It has been said that to possess a sense of humour is to possess the capacity of juxtaposition, to place the ridiculous alongside the serious. The lack of such a capacity in the female is the proximate cause of the absence of a sense of humour. It applies, of course, not just to humour but to literature, the creative arts and philosophy of the first rank as well as can be readily seen by a brief overview of past achievements in those fields. But why does she lack this capacity?
She lacks this capacity because of her utter absorption with her body, with her physicality. But why is she so absorbed with her physicality even to the point where she lacks both imagination and, as a consequence, a sense of humour? She is so absorbed in her physicality because she is the one upon whose shoulders the procreation of the species depends. This is central to the female’s psychology. She is a realist. She is concerned with the here and now, with the harsh realities which biology has decreed shall be her lot. This is serious business. It defines her. The male, of course, plays his part but it comes nowhere near her discomforting nine-month period of gestation. Sexually speaking, the is a night visitor in the procreative dance.
So there we are. That is why to speak of “female humour” is to utter an oxymoron. The two concepts are mutually exclusive. However, the female commenter (if any) on this thread is now presented with a dilemma. She can remain silent and so one assumes she agrees with the foregoing in its entirety. She can actually post a comment agreeing with my analysis – an unlikely event – but, having anger as her natural default position, she will most likely react with venomous hostility. The difficulty is, however, if she does this she will inadvertently confirmed my claim that to speak of “female humour” is an oxymoron.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
mm dearest, thank you soooooooooo much for chiming in here on the side of ‘oh it was all just a bit o fun, don’t get yer knickers tangled’
your reputation as the penultimate source of logic and good sense, and the beacon to which all others aspire, has helped my camp immeasurably
Thanks, Good Dog. I think sometimes my comments can get people a little ‘fired up’ (especially when they center around a very heated and involved topic such as sexual assault) because I try to remind everyone that they all participate in the same system so all are guilty to some degree of another. (As I’ve said before, I am not applying blame to anyone, just raising awareness of people’s connectedness)
The only major differing factors of people living in the same social system is the degree to which they acknowledge their personal portion of blame for any given circumstance within that system, the amount of effort they intend to put towards preserving or changing that circumstance, and the actual severity (good or bad) of any given circumstance within a society.
An example would be main stream music promoting violence or promoting a sex culture. Few want to admit that allowing these messages into our society, and having these messages then broadcast to our very impressionable youth, causes preventable problems in the areas of sexual assault and violence. But, if The Captain declares, “We can’t allow these messages to permeate our society!” – What is he? A Prude? a Dictator? Yet when we see the effects of this society that we allow to perpetuate (ie: sexual violence) we just shake our heads ruefully and wonder, “Why is this still a problem?”
This post’s ‘humor’ is nothing intellectual. Its callousness and lack of any personal ehical perspective (reread the final paragraph of the post) is far too reminiscent of the “No means kick her in the teeth” “humor” that those douches from Queens started back in the 90s (one of many “funny” slogans circulated), after the ‘no means no’ camapaign was initiated. The ‘no means no’ campaign was meant to raise awareness and encourage discourse.
Humor can definitely help begin discourse, but it far too often is used to shut discourse down and detract from the seriousness of this issue in particular. Once is far too often with regards to sexual assault humor. People who need to use humor to deal with sexual assault have major issues–whether they be perpetrators or victims. And that is just not funny. Nope, not funny at all.
people, you see a pattern here? some highly intelligent well spoken and fair minded women are taking high offense at this post. and a lot of intelligent well spoken and fair men are backing off and saying ‘hey, it doesn’t mean anything, it’s humour for crying out loud!’.
you see? do you see guys?
therein lies the problem. guys, you keep thinking that women take this too seriously and so you just stop listening.
you have no idea, you good guys, how women live with this threat hanging over our heads every day. how it makes us fearful in situations that you guys don’t even think twice about. how it make us barricade our bodies emotionally. how it colours our relationships with ANY man. a guy I worked with once used to make the same ‘joke’ when he thought I was being too ‘feminist’. he said ‘ I love them really young, babies, I fuck ’em til their bones crack’. and then crowed about how it was just a joke, he didn’t mean anything, whats the matter with you feminists, ya can’t take a joke. etc etc. any reaction I had was dismissed because ‘it was just a joke’. black humour. dark wit.
guys, if you don’t find that baby joke funny, why not? its just a joke, right?
RSVPS
: Good dog Molly (09/18, 11:56AM)
Thank you Good dog for your words of encouragement but did I detect sarcasm in your concluding paragraph? Well, I guess it beats that “venomous hostility” which I predicted from the angry females, but not by much. But how did my reflections help your camp “immeasurably”? I’m a bit vague on that one.
: Captain (09/18, 11:54AM)
I’m not sure what, if anything, your comment had to do with mine but you can rest assured, Captain, that I will not allow those messages to permeate our society. No, not one!
: SheSang (12:45PM)
I think you’re wrong. “Consent Pads” was a genuine spoof. No one could post a bitch seriously recommending sexual assault. The moderator, who is female I guess, just wouldn’t let that happen.
: Good Dog (1:08PM)
I’m listening to you Good dog but yes, I think you’re taking this bitch far too seriously. Of course females have a difficult time with some males but that was never my point. I was exploring the origins of the absence of female humour arising from (1) a lack of imagination required to (2) cultivate a sense of humour which, in turn, resulted from (3) their (justifiable) absorption in their bodies which, still further, (4) precluded appreciating such spoofs as “Consent Pads.” In other words, my comment attempted – with some success I thought – to plumb the depths of female psychology which is always a fascinating topic – and was never intended to trivialize sexual assault which would be ridiculous. The two – female psychology and sexual assault – are two different issues which, as I expected, would not be addressed separately by respondents to my post. Sadly, none of my points in my analysis of female psychology was addressed by any commenters at all who, it seems, failed to rise above knee-jerk and misguided reactions to my efforts.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
It’s been done:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIgHVlb151c
Forget being a “good guy”; I’ll stick with being my own man. And what I see happening here is dialogue, about how people view a contentious issue. That’s supposed to be positive, no?
MM, spoofing sexual assault is not ok, or intelligent. I thought you were smarter than that.
montrealman: Go fuck yourself Freud – your pseudo-intellectual rambling (and concepts borrowed/parroted from better – though grotesquely flawed – predecessors) is only your entirely limited perspective wrapped in overly convoluted linguistic phrasing/jargon with the specific purpose of creating an elitist, condescending defence for your own quite limited/biased perspectives, giving yourself a pseudo-intellectual ego-boost/hard-on, and not even vaguely meant to open/create any genuine dialogue/discourse. The truly intelligent wouldn’t need to hide their views behind such shallow linguistic tricks/illusions, but would be capable of engaging in actual conversation with others – presenting their particular view, and being open to others’ myriad perspectives. Only the weakest perspectives crumble beneath scrutiny, and those with the most limited perspectives are too often the most defensive and incapable of engaging with variance or opposition. You are not better than anyone – your jargon is just that, and beneath it is quite little..certainly nothing to be proud of. A solid point could just as effectively be presented quite succinctly/efficiently, while your phrasing is but hollow pageantry veiling an equally hollow perspective. I’ve known many women with an amazing sense of humour (though I myself would not be the best example – I have one, but couldn’t intentionally elicit laughter to save my life), and your perspectives not just on women/men (let alone psychological, social, cultural and other constructs, but I won’t get into that now) but gender in general is utterly archaic. Where do the transgendered, androgynous, etc. stand in your limited worldview of gender roles and psychology? Gender, sexuality, forms, constructs, class, culture, and individual psychology (existing within but not wholly defined by environment, culture, class, etc) are not as simplistic or black and white as you would like to dismissively make them out to be, and you try to justify it (your own ego) with obscure, convoluted phrasing that fools no one – the average ‘laymen’ are not quite the oblivious idiots you would like to make them out to be, though I can tell that assumption is how you so easily dismiss divergent perspectives and continue basking smugly in your illusory sense of self-superiority like a pig in shit. The trappings wrapping your particular perspective (skewed as all are – both the price of individual existence, experience, and awareness, and the value of it in meeting divergent viewpoints so as to expand our own) do not make your particular (and again, quite astoundingly limited and archaic) perspective more valid than any other – not even more deeply/thoroughly thought out, as you yourself for all your vast ‘intellect’ fail to see how limited, egotistical, and elitist your own truly is (or if you do don’t care, making you the most ambitiously, convolutedly long-winded troll I’ve ever encountered).
I likely won’t respond to anything you have to say in response to this, not because you’ll somehow dismantle my points with your ridiculous, empty linguistic acrobatics (I’m sure your points will be typically quite vacant), but because I don’t get drawn into petty squabbling and flame wars (who wants to bother? It’s childish, pointless, and predictable) – I present my point and may bother to respond to either clarify my viewpoint or if the response I receive seems to merit it (enough for me to want to bother, not like I’ve got nothing else to do – I just have to speak out when people use a veil of intellect to cover blatant bias and ego, it’s a contradiction in its true lack of substantial thought). I’m not always so long-winded (though I can be much worse, I prefer to just get to the point), but I felt you deserved it..you obviously have a higher opinion of yourself than the depth/breadth of your views merit. Use the fact that I’m a female under 30 with minimal post-secondary education to dismiss me if you wish (though SMU’s students/leaders proclaimed ignorance of the most basic comprehension of the English language may say something about the institution’s genuine value), but doing so will just prove part of my point – only I won’t feel smug about it, because I’m only affected by the opinions of those whose perspectives I value..and yours certainly doesn’t merit it.
Cheerio!
Our second cat, the adopted one, rapes the shit out of the first one. He’s really dumb too, so most of the time he goes for the wrong end. Poor kitty 🙁
This gonna get good! You just going to take that, MM? Do we have another Hugo here?
RSVPS
: SheSang (09/18, 5:23PM)
Re-read my reply of 09/18, 3:46PM. I thought you were smarter than that. You’re not female by any chance, are you?
: -x- (5:28PM)
Now that’s more like it, just the sort of hysterical, knee-jerk and misguided reaction to my efforts that I was expecting. I must say I enjoyed reading your post – I won’t call it a “reply” since none of the points I made about female psychology and the resulting absence of a female sense of humour was engaged – but, as I pointed out in my “Is ‘Female Humour’ an Oxymoron?” you have confirmed my analysis of that psychology. Of course, your tirade has condemned you to the very faults you claim to have discovered in me but I suppose, in addition to lacking a sense of humour you also lack the intelligence to realize that. But, as a set piece, your post was both revealing of you and enjoyable for me. Thanks again.
: Spurious Giles (7:37PM)
No, I don’t think we have another Hugo. His hysterical name-calling originates, on the one hand, from his inflated egotistical self-image and, on the other, from encountering someone who has objectively – yes objectively – attained a higher intellectual level. He is unable to deal with this and so is reduced to hysteria. There might be some overlap, of course, but I see the two cases as being quite distinct.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
lol@ SG 🙂 I must admit, that I do enjoy some small measure of satisfaction when somebody (besides me) realizes the Smeagol is just a bag of foul wind, and that he is totally ignorant of the world around him.
-X-, watch out for mm’s *ahem* “academic discourse”, he uses it in attempt to befuddle people, without the realization that his use of said “academic discourse” outside it’s intended setting is considered…gauche.
“attained a higher intellectual level.” – Care to prove it? Oh, that right, you can’t. For how many years have you tried and failed? Three?
Rememer the childs word puzzle that you bombed? Or calling Bertrand Russell a fascist? The IQ test you couldn’t finish?
Come on Smeagol, I dare you to go head to head with me. But of course, you won’t.
“Wise men speak because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something.” – Plato
Lol, MMan just got his ass handed to him! But whatever, it’s not like anyone takes the time to read his long boring comments anyhow…
Oh and OP is a douche.
RSVP
: TO Girl (09/19, 11:11AM)
Well no, dear, I didn’t get “my ass handed to me” as you seem to suppose. The fact is that I don’t engage with him because, such is his all-consuming jealousy of my academic attainment compared to his own, he has become obsessively deranged to the point of becoming mentally unbalanced. One does not, after all, engage in serious discussion with an inmate of a lunatic asylum.
And, judging from the “depth” of your comment, I don’t find it in the least surprising that you don’t take the time to read my “long boring comments” because, clearly, you wouldn’t understand them even if you did.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
That’s ok MMan, don’t take offence. I merely said your posts were long and boring. That might have more to say about my own attention span rather than your posts. I didn’t question your intelligence. Actually, it is your common sense that is questionable.
lolz@ Smeagol. For me to be jealous, you’d have to have something I want, and your philosophy diploma just doesn’t cut it.
The real reason you “don’t engage” me, is that you’re scared shitless of me. You can’t stand being called out on your fake intellectualism.
BTW, what make you think tha TO Girl was talking about me and not -x-? Is it because I’ve handed you your ass in the past?
Whenever are you going to get the book published?
LOL @ “inflated egotistical self-image”, and the fact that you used it in a description of someone other than yourself, MM, is just baffling. I highly doubt that even the most powerful of industrial wind blowing equipment could match your verbal flatesulance for inflating your own ego.
MM hates women because they all laughed while his male classmates stuffed him in his locker where he spent most of his senior year.
Old high school teachers never die, Hugo, they just get erased.
RSVPS
: TO Girl (09/19/ 3:17PM)
Well no, dear, I didn’t take any offense but I did find your remark that your not reading my posts might result from your attention span rather than their boring length – see my reply to Captain on the “whine” thread – which I find indicative of the fact that you, unlike many, possess the quality of self-reflection. That is a very good start. However, I was puzzled by your comment to the effect that my common sense was “questionable.”. No chance of supporting that claim, is there? Perhaps provide examples?
: Stephen Harper (5:36PM)
Well Stephen, you mustn’t be baffled. It is true that I used the phrase “inflated egotistical self-image” in relation to someone other than myself (which, of courser I would never do) but it was merely to point out that his inflated egotistical self-image, since it was not matched by any actual intellectual achievement, resulted in his deranged state which borders on lunacy. Actually Stephen, I do love and admire women – well, most of them – and they love and admire me. In effect, it’s a mutual admiration society. Delightful creatures.
: The Toad (8:25PM)
See my reply to Stephen above. I love and admire you as well, particularly your wonderful sense of humour. You’re the best!
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
Here’s an example of your lack of common sense, MM…
This site provides a pretty diverse cross-section of the general populace, and would likely make a pretty good control group made up of many different ages, professions, and walks of life. I don’t see this admiration from women you speak of from any group or individual, male or female, on this particular forum. So, judging the diversity of this control group and transposing it over the general populace, I’d say that your claim of a “mutual admiration society” is just another absurdity which points to your over inflated ego. Your “admiration” theory is flawed/unsubstantiated, especially when it comes to women, who you continually call irrational, stupid,and distinctly lacking any sense of humour. Perhaps you could cajole some of these “admirers” into dropping some proof of this “mutual admiration society” in our laps so we might decide for ourselves wether or not such a claim could possibly be true.
So in short, your lack of common sense is abundantly clear, especially when it comes to your perceiving other peoples perceptions of you.
That would never fly in our legal system. Capacity to consent cannot be given validity prior to the inebriated sex because the consent-giver can change her mind whilst intoxicated at any point. The agreement would be void on grounds of illegality. Your idea is one of a lazy bachelor who is so used to reaping rewards of barflies for a bottle bought at closing time. How about taking a girl out to a nice dinner and putting a little effort in to conversation and getting to know her to score some sex – ya sorry sack of shit.
RSVP
: Stephen Harper (09/20, 2:04PM)
“Your ‘admiration’ theory is flawed/unsubstantiated, especially when it comes to women, who you continually call irrational, stupid, and distinctly lacking any sense of humour.”
Well Stephen, you seem to have missed the boat on this one. I have never called women “irrational,”or “stupid.” I believe that they are naturally more realistic than men in the sense that they are more concerned with practical matters rather than with theory, however conceived, but this is not the same thing as them being “irrational” or “stupid.” You must substantiate these claims Stephen, in the same way as you demand that I substantiate my “mutual admiration” theory. I can indeed substantiate from my own perspective in that I know that I admire them but also have reason to believe that some women, well maybe only a few, admire my mind and, who knows, my body as well.
However, you are tearing my comment about them lacking a sense of humour out of context. My comment related only to the present thread, i.e., the spoof about “Consent Pads.” Indeed, I agreed that, where their bodies were concerned, a lack of a sense of humour was both understandable and justifiable since biology has placed the burden of the survival of the species largely their shoulders. Where topics like rape are raised their default position is indeed one of anger but my claim was that “Consent Pads” was a spoof and not an encouragement for sexual assault.
I trust this has soothed your misgivings about my reflections on this matter.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
Well, Hugo, Mentalmucilman’s obvious fear of you is quite amusing since he generally has no problem reaming other posters with his tedious finger-pecked epistles. At least you are saved that torment.
By the way, have you been practicing your Advanced Level Hysterical Name-Calling yet? This provincial election needs you in the worst way, brother. 😉
I can see there is no debate with montrealman more than the equivalent of banging one’s head against the wall. And the assumption that my ‘tirade’ was knee-jerk is false – it was born not of anger so much as exasperation, as I’ve been lurking/reading long enough to have gotten sick of the hypocrisy of your obvious belief in your own superiority coupled with an abject inability for the least bit of self-questioning/reflection. You are not worth the time to type this, but I didn’t want you to think I was simply another emotionally overrun female (yes, I have them and things I value – as do most real people) you limited, misogynistic dunce. I couldn’t possibly be angry about the opinions of someone so obviously limited and inflexible, or care at all as they’re simply irrelevant to me. But assuming that females are no more than slaves to their emotions is no better than assuming men are slaves to their respective biology – and again, gender and sexuality are quite varied (you obviously failed to read the entirety of my post as no points in it were addressed, you simply misread what I wrote as emotional when it was in fact simply a detailed opinion). And I was not and had no interest in addressing any points of your irrelevant post, it was always directed toward you specifically – not meant maliciously despite some of my wording (that was snark, not malice or anger), only to point out the hypocrisy of someone that claims to be against bullying tearing (under the guise of intellectual discourse) into females and anyone they obviously consider their inferiors at every turn. But apparently to have and bother to express an opinion contrary to your own is viewed as an irrational emotional tirade, thus bothering to point out your own glaring inadequacies is pointless as it will fall on your quite wilfully deaf ears. And I do have a sense of humour – I find you entirely ridiculous.
RSVPS
: The Toad (09/20, 3:26PM)
This ground has been covered before with Ivan but I suppose I should refresh your memory. Please replace my “obvious fear” with my “obvious boredom.” That is why I don’t bother replying to his empty shouting. Why is his shouting empty? Because it is mindless. Why is it mindless? It is mindless because he has no mind. He lacks any powers of sustained and structured reflection. As a consequence all he has is his insane jealousy of my academic attainment in comparison with the obvious absence of his own. This wouldn’t, in itself, be a cause of that insane jealousy but, when coupled with his overweening egotism, it is intolerable. Lashing out rather than reasoned discourse is his only alternative. By the way, you must try and stop kissing his ass. It’s very unhygienic.
-X- (4:19PM)
Well yes, you must stop banging your head against the wall and you’ve got to stop “lurking” around since both behaviours can become quite unsettling. But I did admire some of your “bon mots” – my “obvious belief in my own superiority coupled with an abject inability for the least bit of self-questioning/ reflection”. A nicely balanced sentence. Something I might have written myself. Very nice. I was puzzled, however, by your assertion to the effect that you had no interest “in addressing any points of your irrelevant post, it was always directed toward you specifically…” I was puzzled because I couldn’t see just how I was to be distinguished from my posts. Were you making some sort of ontological claim?
Anyway, I wasn’t “tearing (under the guise of intellectual discourse) into females” as you maintain but rather simply suggesting – and attempting to give reasons for – the fact that males and females are distinct genders, have different psychological make-ups. My reasons were both empirical, those relating to the relative absence of females in the front rank of theoretical pursuits and conceptual, those relating to my analysis of the comments of many females on this thread which, it seemed to me, did support my view that the female default position is usually one of anger. Indeed, your post has confirmed my hypothesis.
However, if you would like to substantively comment on my comments as opposed to simply ranting, then I would be delighted to have a chat. In the meantime, I want you to know that I thoroughly enjoyed your rant.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
” those relating to my analysis of the comments of many females on this thread which, it seemed to me, did support my view that the female default position is usually one of anger.”
What do you think RAPE is MM but one of power and anger on behave of the male rapist.
I feel like I just went back in time and entered the Heman Woman Haters Club.
RSVP
: WHATACROCK (09/21, 11:46AM)
But you must put my comment in its proper context. The bitch “Consent Pads” was a spoof on the current culture of consent and not a recommendation to rape anybody. But, like -X- above, you have confirmed my hypothesis that, where spoofs like this are on the table, the default position of females tends to be one of anger. Thank you very much.
Now, would you happen to know if “The Heman Woman Haters Club” is registering new members? Is there a fee?
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
MM I do have a sense of humour.However,I don’t think rape is funny at all.
RSVP
: WHATACROCK (09/21, 9:55PM)
Well, neither do I. But I see that your anger has precluded your distinguishing a spoof on the consent culture from a recommendation to rape anybody. However, if it’s any comfort, you can see by this thread that you’re not alone which effectively confirms my hypothesis that anger in cases like this is the female default position, that the phrase “Female Humour” is indeed an oxymoron. As a matter of interest, what do you find funny?
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
Is farting in someone’s mouth sexual assault?
MM “Well, neither do I. But I see that your anger has precluded your distinguishing a spoof on the consent culture from a recommendation to rape anybody. However, if it’s any comfort, you can see by this thread that you’re not alone which effectively confirms my hypothesis that anger in cases like this is the female default position, that the phrase “Female Humour” is indeed an oxymoron. As a matter of interest, what do you find funny?”
MM My anger comes from being a Sexual Assault Survivor…As a survivor I see no humour in a ‘spoof on the consent culture’,I see nothing comical in this thread,period. When ‘Female Humour’ is used by a male to degrade women I become more defensive than angry.
I find your caviler attitude on the seriousness concerning the goings on at St. Mary’s and OP’s post rather offensive… The ‘ female default position’ as you call it, is one of defensiveness not anger.For centuries men have ‘taken’ from women what were ours,no longer.Women can freely choose whom we wish to consent to.