Holy Fuck someone who kills innocent lives gets the order of Canada, why not give it to Allan Legere who killed dozen’s of people on the Miramichi or give it to Charles Manson..oh here you go you killed innocent children because their mothers didn’t have brains enough to use condomns!! or better yet keep their legs closed. If you are going to get freaky at least practice safe sex, you are not only protecting yourself from disease but also protecting life! You wouldn’t be here if your mother aborted you! Why not give the order of Canada to: the kids who derailed the train here in nova scotia a few years back, the taliban, hitler, OJ Simpson or countless others? The list could go on and on. It makes no sense to me why someone in that position of doing abortions should get such a distinguished award. Has a fallen solider recently got one? Or even a live one? How about a veteran? A hereo? A single mom? What the fuck..give it to a child killer why not. Next thing you will be giving the order of Canada to the hijackers of 911. Come on Canada I’m ashamed of you. For those who need abortions for other than medical reasons..Keep your legs closed!!
This article appears in Jul 3-9, 2008.
im with hedgy on this. It is appauling that one person thinks they should have the right to tell another person what to do with THIER body. In many cases, abortions arent used as birth control. If those women were denied the right to such practices because of the ones that do have abortions bi-annually, then what does that say about rape victims, and women that have serious change in situation while pregnant? Fuck them?On a different note, here is a topic that was discussed extensively on my blogs and i wanna see what y’all think. Women are able to absolve themselves from parental responsibilty should they leave a man. They can put a child up for adoption if uncontested by a dad. She can also lie and what not to get a real dad blocked froma say. There is very few cases in canada that adoption route was halted by the dads. Something like 1 outta every 50 adoption cases are able to be halted by the dad. Women can also have an abortion to absolve themselves from parental responsibility. This being the case, and it takes two to make a child, should there be some way set up so that a father can legally walk away? Say a fee, or some garnishment of wages for a few years. A dad cannot sign the rights away to a child without the permission of a mom, so that isnt really the same as walking away on your own.
Want to earn your Hero Sandwich, PowC? Volunteer your time, eight hours a day, five days a week, so that all of these innocent children you care so much for have a stab at something more than Kraft Dinner once a day. Put your money where your flapping yap is and go and do something.Where are all of you anti-abortion fucking fascists when a single parent wants to stay in the workforce? Standing in front of hospitals with signs – a real productive use of your time. Stopping innocent babies from being murdered, yet doing absolutely nothing for the living neglected that you want to force into existence.
Abortion is one of those issues that highlights the modern trend, and dilemma, of emphasizing the individual over the collective, and what that means in terms of maintaining balance between rights and freedoms, and the greater good of society. In fact abortion is such a cloudy issue that no one can even say what IS the greater good.As a society we have moved strongly toward judging the interests – the rights, freedoms, and liberties – of individuals (and of particular groups that are deemed to be in the minority) as being more important than the interests of the collective. This is not black and white. In a welfare state, protecting the interests of individuals and particular groups is believed to serve the greater good. With abortion, the rights of women to choose are protected in Canada. This is believed by many, as is evidenced by many of the posts here, to be in the interest of the collective – by protecting this right, we are protecting women, protecting unwanted children from being born to a life of misery, protecting the welfare system from more strain, protecting society from the consequences of raising more children in deprived conditions, etc. On the other hand the majority (not necessarily the LITERAL majority), who are not afforded so-called special protections often do not recognize this assumption. They believe that protecting the rights and freedoms of particular individuals or groups is overall detrimental to society. Abortion is believed by many others to detract from the collective – by legitimizing what they see as murder, by violating the old edict to go forth and multiply, by allowing the individuals to toss away their responsibilities to their unborn children, etc. I think the anti-abortion side has the more concrete argument – they can picture poor dear helpless babies, and what-could-have-been. The pro-choice argument is a more abstract ethical or even philosophical argument about what-could-be-but-can’t-or-shouldn’t-be. This is why so many people just can’t let go of this issue – it’s not black and white. It is hard for them to buy into the idea that by disallowing choice and by forcing what they believe is a good thing – birth – to always happen, that bad things could follow. It just doesn’t compute for them. However lori and a couple others do make one good point. When discussing the rights of individuals we usually forget that rights are not the same as total freedoms. Implicit in the concept of rights is the concept of responsibilities. It’s not just a free pass.You have the right to choose, but first and foremost you have the responsibility to try your damnedest to keep yourself out of that situation in the first place. Sorry this was so long.
To the assholes out there fucking everything with open legs: Buy some fucking condoms! And use ’em! God, I hate when unplanned pregnancy is directed only at the woman.
Jeeze, let’s go back to the good ol’ days of back alleys and wire coathangers, you ignorant pig. Do your rant to some 13 year old who has been raped by her stepfather. Maybe we should just send all these unwanted kids to you to raise. I can hear the distant goosestepping now.
Um, a HERO did get this award.before you start squabbling about pro and con abortion stances, think about it: this is a man who stood up, who risked his liberty and his life, to CHANGE the way canada does soemthing. We became the first western country to have no legal sanctions against having or giving an abortion- without morgentaller, we would STILL be bickering about it, while thousands of women end up in back alleys because someone wants to classify which circumstances it’s ok to have an abortion in. who are any of we to say what those circumstances are? how are we to say that one person can or should raise that child or even carry that child, giivng over 9 months of their lives and irrevercibly changing thei rlife path as um, pregnancy is hard to hide, while another is ‘allowed’ to abort? unplanned pregnancy can happen to the most careful individual- we’re human, everyone slips up. and my biggest problem with all the very liberal I-don’t-like-it-should-only-be-used-in-x-circumstances people: that’s a VERY slippery slope. look at the states: in many states you can’t get an abortion, at all. doctors are allowed to deny patients abortions, and for many women that means they have NO OPTIONG but to carry a baby to term they didnt’ want and can’t support or find another way to deal with the problem. that happens because someone said ‘oh only if it was rape or it’s dangerous to the mother etc etc’. it’s a very slippery slope- how do you define dnagerous to the mother? waht is dangerous? losing your job, reputation, career, friends, family becuase you get pregnant and have to carry said baby, very visibly, when you aren’t prepared/don’t want it/can’t have it? how about risking life in childbirth,a s many people still die? what about sterility? or emotional trauma from carrying a baby you didn’t want? I know lots of people say rape is only like 1 per cent of abortions but what about the 80 per cent of intimate partner assualts that go unreported? and since most of those are with freinds or people you’re ina relationship with, the chances of getting pregnant are substantially higher. So yeah- morgentaller faught for this country. he made all these points moot- we can debate, as a culture, whether this is right or not till the cows come home, but while we’re doing that, women have the right to choose for themselves what will happen to their bodies. he’s famously quoted as saying that every child should be wanted- that was the point. he wasn’t out to ‘murder children’ he was out to reduce the number of unwanted, unloved, abused kids AND the number of women who throw their lives away, either by dying, being unable to reproduce when they want to, or finding themsevles trapped in circumstances with children they didn’t want after accidents happened. He did something remarkable for the autonomy and control women have over their bodies- and before peopel jump all voer me with rights of the fetus stuff, when abortions happen, it’s still a right of the mother. women have a right to say they will NOT be baby factories if they don’t want to be, they ahve a right to say an accident happened but I will choose whether or not I wish to make this commitment, even if just for nine months, to bring this baby to term. they have a right to say no, I am not emotionally, physically, financially (because being pregnant does cost) ready to be pregnant yet, and I would prefer to responsibly fix my mistake, in a safe, legal way where I knwo that if and when I am ready for kids I will still be able to have them. Morgentaller made all of that possible and THAT is why he deserves this award. Maybe you don’t agree with WHAT he did, but the fact is he irrevercibly changed Canada, opening up rights and freedoms and is internationally influential. THAT is the definition of an award winner.and since I’m on a feminist rant I’ll add: if men could get pregnant this wouldn’t be an issue, at all.
Hedgy, the more you type, the more I like you. Thanks for the rant (long as it was).
aw shucks miles ;)and yeah that was a little long…hard to edit yourself in this tiny little box (blushes)
For me, abortion is an issue that cannot and should not ever come to a conclusion on the pro or con side. It is always a decision that involves two people with rights, the right to life (for the fetus) and the right to choose (for the mother). Both rights need to be acknowledged and respected, even if they can’t both be accomodated. Unfortunately, an unwanted pregnancy always forces one of those rights to be superseded. Each instance of unwanted pregnancy will be unique, and the best solution (the one that minimizes suffering) will be different each time. Usually the one most qualified to judge the best outcome will be the mother, so the choice should typically lie with her.
exactly miles. and what morgentaller did was make sure that right to choose was protected and couldn’t be legally touched. he didn’t make abortion legal- he just made the right to choose available but forcing a removal of sanctions against it.
OJ couldn’t get the Order of Canada, I’m pretty sure its for Canadians only. Sorry, Juice.
Look, if you’re opposed to abortion, there’s a very simple solution – DON’T FUCKING HAVE ONE!!!
yeah the onus on this is on the father too. and pro choice should include the choice of both of you. there are exceptions to every rule. if you were raped and found out you were pregnant. if your baby daughter was a child of a rape, could you love it the same as your son who isn’t? everyone has a freedom of choice. i am pro choice, but the choice should be both..’it’s my body i can do what i want’ so i can drink and do drugs, go out and party, and then give the child up for adoption. some of these little souls were better off not being born to the parents they were created for. anyone can make a child. it takes a real human being with heart and integrity to decide what is best for it. and if not being born is better than raising it on the system as a single uneducated mother when you can’t answer ‘where’s my father’ or when the answer is ‘he’s in jail for raping me’ then the decision lies solely with the mother. but we are generalixing abortions to happen in disadvantaged parts of the city and generalizing the women who have abortions only to be teenage party goers, what about the career women who can’t keep a house plant alive because they are only home for 2 hours a day?