Credit: Aaron Mckenzie Fraser

Sometimes you have to laugh, so that you don’t cry. Just ask
Francesca Rogier.

“I wouldn’t believe this story if somebody told me,” she says.
“Honestly.”

And yet…the fantastically far-fetched plotline that belongs to the
story of Brindi the dog—Rogier’s five-year-old brown mutt that was
seized by the city after three attacks on other dogs, saved from
euthanization by a Nova Scotia Supreme Court judge, and that continues
to be held at the Dartmouth SPCA—is the third-rate novelist’s
narrative Rogier is living.

“I can’t explain why things are the way they are,” she says.

The conflict started in August 2007, when Brindi was tied up by a
thin leash in front of her East Chezzetcook home while Rogier ran
inside to change before driving to the store.

“The next I knew,” Rogier says, “there was screaming.”

Brindi had broken free and dashed her front yard’s length to the
road, attacking a leashed dog that was walking by. Rogier says it was a
shock: “On the last day of obedience training. I had her in a ‘lie down
and stay’ in the middle of a classroom and about 40 dogs were trailing
past.”

Rogier apologized and offered to pay to have the dog checked out.
“Everyone around here is either connected by family or church or time.
So I wanted them to understand that I was trying to do the right
thing.”

Rogier got a written warning from Animal Services.

Seven months later, in April 2008, Brindi and Rogier were in the
yard. Brindi was unleashed and far enough away that, Rogier says, “I
just couldn’t reach and grab her.” A dog on a leash was approaching.
Rogier gave Brindi a command to stay.

“And then she kind of flexed.”

Before Rogier caught up, Brindi attacked the second dog, causing
tooth puncture wounds to the animal’s chest.

Animal Services delivered a muzzle order for Brindi for any time the
dog was not inside or secured on her own property.

Fast forward three months. July 2008. Incident three. Rogier says,
“I’ll never stop regretting what I did that day.”

Rogier was bringing Brindi out back for a pee one early Sunday
morning. She slipped out of Rogier’s hands before her muzzle was on and
ran around to the front of the house. “She knew there was a guy walking
a dog. Without even seeing, she knew. If I had known I wouldn’t even
have touched the door.”

The man was walking one dog, with another smaller dog in his arms.
As Rogier turned the corner, she saw the man kicking Brindi in the
head.

Four days later, two HRM animal control officers arrived at the door
with another order paper. “It says that they are going to take Brindi
and they are going to euthanize her. That’s it. It was like they were
speaking Chinese. I couldn’t fathom how and why.”

So the conflict started in August 2007. But the story—the real
story—begins here. Because before Brindi’s euthanization
date—scheduled for two weeks after she was seized—Rogier sought
legal counsel. And she thereby launched her official journey into
sainthood or crackpotdom. Depending, of course, on your take.

Francesca Rogier arrived in Nova Scotia from Kentucky with Howard, a
deaf half-collie, half-setter with a bad coat and scabs. After Howard
died, Rogier decided her new dog would not—repeat: not—be
high-needs.

What’s that saying about god having other plans?

She saw Brindi’s ad on petfinder.com. Month after month, she
scrolled on by. “She seemed like a good dog,” Rogier says, “but not a
good fit for me because I wanted to take the time to work on the
house.”

Ah, the house.

The house is the circa-1862, one-and-a-half-storey Cape Cod Rogier
bought for $55,000 in January 2006—furniture, dishes and linens
included. It needed a new foundation and Rogier, an architect and
former prof at the University of Kentucky, had drawn up plans for a
reno, too.

In June 2007, Rogier ended up visiting the Cape Breton shelter where
Brindi was living. She had been taken in two years earlier after being
found tied up in the rain with a litter of puppies. She was not
socialized, not spayed, never trained. She had never really had a
home.

“You’d have to be a real creep to walk away from a dog that had been
there for two years. You’d have to be a really big stinker,” Rogier
says.

She took her for a walk. Brindi, she remembers, was excited but well
behaved. She filled out the paperwork. “Mutts are my favourite
thing.”

The shelter owner wouldn’t take the standard fee for Brindi. “She
just said, ‘take her and give her a good life.'”

After Brindi was seized to be killed—that is, after the shock wore
away and she could think—Rogier formulated a position: “It doesn’t
fit into any pattern of enforcement.”

And with that argument, Rogier took the city to court.

She won. At least in a manner.

Nova Scotia Supreme Court judge Duncan Beveridge quashed Brindi’s
original euthanization order because the city failed, he wrote, to
accord Rogier “even the most minimal requirements for procedural
fairness.” One example? In what the city called its “complete
investigation” of the third attack, no one bothered to take a statement
from, or even contact, Rogier.

Beveridge awarded Rogier costs. But he didn’t order Brindi
released—Rogier is unsure if her lawyer never asked or Beveridge
never offered. But the city didn’t get an order so it didn’t budge. It
continues, today, to hold Brindi at the SPCA shelter on Scarfe Court in
Dartmouth.

Rogier—who had only ever been to court before the Brindi mess
once, to fight a parking ticket (“and I paid it,” she says)—goes back
to court June 5 to answer to the city’s second try—new charges
stemming from the third attack incident. [See Correction below.]

But win or lose, it might not end there. HRM spokesperson Deborah
Story says, “We’ll wait until the present charges are seen to. Then
we’ll decide what course of action to take.”

Neither party is backing down.

The city, you see, views this as black-and-white:

Here is a dog that has attacked three animals and whose owner is
unable, or unwilling, to follow restraint orders. “Our bylaw clearly
states the criteria for declaring a dog to be dangerous. And in this
case that is what happened,” says Deborah Story.

Francesca Rogier? She sees the story of Brindi in shades of
grey:

Here is a dog that has had a terrible life, whose owner took her on
when no one else would. “I got her spayed, I got her microchipped, I
did her obedience training, I got her shots, I gave her regular
baths…I tried to do everything right that I could,” Rogier says.

“She had a problem [with territory]. I had mess-ups. We needed to do
more training. I needed a fence. That’s a little different than killing
her. Taking her out of my home and killing her.”

But black or white or grey, the question is: How can someone fight
this for so long and so hard and risk losing so much?

Remember Francesca Rogier’s house?

Rogier—about 50, short, wavy black hair and a black Columbia
fleece—sits at her clutter-topped kitchen table dusting with her bare
palm under random items—a Brindi donation jar, a calculator,
envelopes, deodorant. Brindi’s dried up beef bones still kick around
the kitchen. Behind Rogier, a bumper sticker on the side of the fridge
reads: “Well behaved women rarely make history.”

The house has a striking view of Chezzetcook Inlet out the back, the
calibre of vista that only approaches affordable anymore on Nova
Scotia’s eastern shore. Inside, the generous mouldings are intact and
there’s a built-in corner cabinet in the dining room. The floors, as
you might expect with a 150-year-old house, are off-kilter.

Except “off-kilter” is the understatement of the century.

The back door is open. Well, let’s call it ajar—a curtain’s jammed
in the crack and Tuck Tape holds it all in place. Another door? Same
thing. Open a closet, look down and you can see a skating rink of ice.
See, there’s no foundation here. So there’s no heat. No hot water. No
water at all. A wobbly ramp leads to the kitchen door. “Why don’t you
sit in the sun? It’s warmer,” Rogier offers. The oven is turned on and
left open in a fight against the cold. February, for its part, is
winning.

The house has been jacked up since last summer—see-through where
houses aren’t supposed to be see-through.

The footings were poured July 12 and everything with Brindi and the
city started two weeks later. “We’re talking February here,” Rogier
says. “I have stopped my life cold, thinking if I devote 100 percent of
my time to this, I can get her out faster.” Rogier’s architectural
plans are still up on the kitchen wall. But in the meantime, the
contractor has gone bankrupt.

“I’m facing everything in ruin,” she says. “I don’t know what to
say.”

Rogier may owe lawyers (she’s now looking for her third) in the
$70,000 range. By June, the $25-a-day shelter fees, if she is ordered
to pay them by the provincial court, will hit $8,000. The city is using
its no-added-cost in-house legal.

The elephant in this very cold room is the suggestion that perhaps
Rogier is being made an example of.

“That is totally not the case,” says HRM’s Deborah Story. “We have
developed these bylaws which are legal and binding. We have to operate
under the terms of that bylaw. For us to just say, ‘Oh, in this case we
won’t or in another case we won’t [go this far]’…then the city has
not performed its job.”

Rogier says this. “If [the city] took someone else’s dog tomorrow
and they even did it the right way—like, let’s say they
did do an investigation, let’s say they did charge them
[at the time of the incidents]. Do you think that owner is going to
fight to get that dog back? After what happened to me? I don’t think
so.”

If not—or if not only—being made an example of by the city,
Rogier has certainly become an example of a cause bolstered by online
social networking. She started a blog about her experiences, which led
to a Facebook page started by a Calgary supporter she’s never met.
“Brindi’s Angels” are firing off letters from across the country and
into the southern United States.

To these dog-lovers, Rogier is a saint.

To some others? A crackpot.

She’s probably neither, and at the same time a little bit of both.
She may have started this fight because she believed the process for
seizing her dog was unfair, and she may have had that belief confirmed
by a judge. But mostly she can’t win no matter what.

If she succeeds June 5 in provincial court—if she gets Brindi
back—she’ll be, to some, that lady with the dangerous dog on East
Chezzetcook Road. Small town rumours die hard.

If she loses? If Brindi is euthanized or sent to another shelter for
re-adoption? She’ll be, to some, that crazy lady who lost her dog and a
big chunk of her money along with her.

“There will be people who are angry with me no matter what I do,”
Rogier says.

And still, she keeps doing it.

We’re standing at the kitchen table now. The snow is coming down in
a shag carpet and there’s sanding only on East Chezzetcook Road. But
it’s hard to get away because two hours later there’s still more to
this story—death threats, a hunger strike, Rogier’s take on the
SPCA.

Rogier laughs. She laughs. It’s pretty much all she can do.
She laughs in awkwardness and sincerity and exasperation—“If you
can’t save a dog, what good are you? There’s a lot of things you work
for in your life. You work for poverty, you work for peace. But just
saving a dog’s life shouldn’t take that much trouble. Really.
Especially a dog like this. You know, people ask me: ‘Why don’t you
just let it go?’ It’s like, what hope do I have of accomplishing
anything if I can’t save a dog?”

Correction: The original version of the story stated Rogier “goes back to court June 5 to answer to the city’s second try—new charges stemming from the three old attack incidents.” The new charges actually relate only to the third attack incident, and the text was changed to reflect that on April 1, 2009.

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139 replies on “Saving Brindi”

  3. So, my comment got deleted, huh? Sure…okay. Well, to tone it down a bit, I don’t believe Rogier should get her dog back. That tame enough for you, moderator?

  4. seems to me, an animal with less-than-ideal past, which has not seriously injured or killed anyone or anything, and in the care of a loving master, shouldn’t really deserve to be destroyed. The city is way out of line, especially with no charges or warning.

  5. Folks with violent dogs show the greatest “me, me , me” complex in the world. She didn’t muzzle her dog, it attacked again, and poor cutsey, wootsey Brindi has to suffer.

    It is a dangerous thing. Just like a malfunctioning door, window, or car, if you can’t fix it, destroy it.

    I look forward with dread to the day Littl’ Brindi rips the face off a kid, and Rogier starts with the handwringing

  6. I understand the attachment of people with their pets, I’ve had pets all my life. I understand there is a level of humanizing an animal that’s part of your life.

    It goes too far here.

    The defense of having a hard life is a sob story that is often fallen back on in face of having to accept responsibilities for one’s actions. There is always choice and freewill no matter how many times you plea “it wasn’t my fault because of FACTOR_X/FACTOR_Y/FACTOR_Z.” There is a distinct lack of responsibility on the owner of this animal because “…here is a dog that has had a terrible life” not because “I couldn’t get the muzzle on/I thought she was socialized with other animals/I couldn’t properly follow my restraining orders.””

    The willingness of this dog owner to humanize their animal up to the point of having to accept responsibility of it’s actions is ridiculous.

    You can’t have it both ways.

  7. they should have put that dog down, it has a history, the owner was previously warned, did not take due care then it ran out and harrassed a blind persons working dog. I think the public safety has more rights than an irresponsable dog owner. Why waste public(yours) money on this?

  8. Send the dog to a new home, then, with people who will monitor her closely. Or destroy the dog. End of story.

  9. Sorry…those animal bylaws are there to protect people and their animals from aggressive dogs. The owner lost her animal-owning rights a few times over. I feel for the poor animal that has been dealt more than one lousy owner, but I think the city is right in this case. I wouldn’t want my law-abiding (smile) pooch or my young child anywhere near this dog or its owner due to discipline problems.

  10. Seems to me, if an extreme (or is it a default) decision can be issued by the courts then why can’t the courts also entertain something less extreme like an order to build a fucking fence (easy to comply). Nobody died over the incidents, no humans were injured… people love their pets is all, real love… enough to not tolerate their animals being attacked and enough to pay the dam shelter fees and fight for their lives.

  11. Violent dogs, are just that, violent. No amount of training can prevent a dog from attacking another over territory if that’s the case. Personal story… we took a dog from an abusive home (the cost: a case of beer, so you see the abusive side) and we had no problem with her, she was a mix and none of them were violent breeds. Then one day, she got off her chain, and attacked another dog. We had a tough decision to make: put her down or put other people’s dogs at risk? We did the right thing and put her down, as abhorrent as it was. That’s what should have happened in this case, regardless of the history of the animal.

  12. I feel terrible for the dog, especially given her past, but how many incidents does it take for a sensible owner to realize she needs to *control her dog*? Your have a dog-aggressive dog, so you let her loose into an unfenced yard? You apparently open your door to let her out before putting on her muzzle OR HER LEASH? Of course Brindi knew there was a dog outside “without even seeing it”–dogs have excellent hearing and sense of smell.

    I would hate for Brindi to die, but it would really suck if some other little dog died because Brindi got hold of him. And the owner seems to have a pattern of just not understanding cause and effect. This is a dog-aggressive dog. She can’t be loose, EVER, in a world that includes other dogs. ESPECIALLY not in her own environment, because indications are she is specifically aggressive on her own turf.

    I feel terrible for the dog, but it’s hard to trust the owner based on her track record.

  13. I applaude the efforts that Ms.Rogier is making to save Brindi’s life. I truly do. Unfortunately, I do not believe that Ms. Rogier is the proper owner for Brindi. It is past time that we stopped punishing the dogs for their misbehaviour and high time that we take a good long look at the people who own them and whether they are responsible enough. Based on this article, I do not believe Ms. Rogier is responsible enough. After the first incident, she should have put a high fence around her yard, and taken Brindi to an animal behaviourist.

  14. Joe has been seeing a psychoanalyst for four years for treatment of the fear that he had monsters under his bed. It had been years since he had gotten a good night’s sleep. Furthermore, his progress was very poor, and he knew it. So, one day he stops seeing the psychoanalyst and decides to try something different.

    A few weeks later, Joe’s former psychoanalyst meets his old client in the supermarket, and is surprised to find him looking well-rested, energetic, and cheerful. “Doc!” Joe says, “It’s amazing! I’m cured!”

    “That’s great news!” the psychoanalyst says. “you seem to be doing much better. How?”

    “I went to see another doctor,” Joe says enthusiastically, “and he cured me in just ONE session!”

    “One?!” the psychoanalyst asks incredulously.

    “Yeah,” continues Joe, “my new doctor is a behaviorist.”

    “A behaviorist?” the psychoanalyst asks. “How did he cure you in one session?”

    “Oh, easy,” says Joe. “He told me to cut the legs off of my bed.”

  15. seems to me, an animal with a (well demonstrated) less-than-ideal (anti-social) past, which has not (yet) seriously injured or killed anyone or anything (despite frequent attempts), and in the (questionable)care of a loving (yet socially irresponsible) master (who is seemingly incapable of controlling it), shouldn’t really deserve to be destroyed. The city is way out of line (not enforcing the law to protect it’s citizens), especially with (the fact) no (attention was given to) charges or warning (given to the owner in the past).

  16. Brindi would not be in this sitiuation if Francesca had been a responsible owner. If you read the court decision this dog was able to attack – even if this behaviour is a fear based behaviour – atleast 3 times under the “control” of lack there of by Francesca. Where are the limits? Where is the responsibility?

    The community Francesca lives in deserves to feel safe and not have to fear walking their dogs in the area where Brindi would live. After three such incidents would you feel safe? HRM has a responsibility to the citizens of East Chezzetcook.

    Let’s be clear here – two respected trainers in this area have refused to work with Francesca but will work with Brindi. That’s fact. Sivia Jay did an evaluation of Brindi and concluded that Brindi can be rehabilitated but Silvia will not work with Francesca. Bob Ottenbrite will work with Brindi but not with Francesca. What does this say?

    This dog has the worst karma ever and I feel thus has been moulded by her experiences. She needs an owner that understands her needs and is responsible for her behaviours – and acts responsibly. Francesca has proven she doesnt as far as I am concerned.

    Brindi doesnt deserve to die. Brindi needs an owner who recognizes her for who she is – a dog with specific issues that needs to live within a series of protocols that not only keeps the dog safe but ALSO keeps others dogs and the community it lives in safe.

    As a member of ARPO – Advocates for Responsible Pet Ownership (http://www.arpolistens.ca) – it is impossible for me to support Francesca Rogier but Brindi gets my full support to save her life. Brindi does not deserve to die.

    Part of the confusion in this story is because people dont understand the different roles of the different parties in this story. The SPCA’s mandate is investigation of cruelty and abuse – not enforcement of by-laws. That is the job of HRM Animal Control. The SPCA does not receive monies from government except a piddly $3000 province wide to work for Animal Welfare in this province. The only part the SPCA has in this story is housing Brindi at their shelter under the bounds of the contract they have with HRM Animal Control.

    A300 HAS to change – no doubt! WE all have to work and demand it’s change. In this province I believe our lack of committment to Animal Welfare through inappropriate and unsupported laws on the Provincial, Muncipal and Judiciary level enable irresponsible ownership and the cruelty and suffering of animals in this province.

    At this point if HRM relinquishes Brindi to Francesca and Brindi is involved in another incident who is liable? HRM for allowing Brindi to go back to an irresponsible owner or Francesca for her irresponsible behaviours with this dog? We all know for sure it is not Brindi’s fault!

  17. I agree Heather. Brindi is deemed re-trainable and should have that chance. Lord knows she deserves it. The problem is she will not get it with an owner who can’t or won’t see that she is NOT the right owner for this dog. Brindi is a sweet dog that has some issues that a good trainer will help with. Funny thing is, the trainers that said they would help Brindi has backed off as long as this owner is in the picture. I hope this owner pays attention and does what is right for Brindi and not what the owner wants.

  18. Unfortunately, this owner seems to have her hands over her ears going lalalalala. Love is supposed to be unconditional, but hers seems to be ‘only with me’. Let Brindi go to a home that can handle her and let her be retrained. IF, by some freak she goes back to her owner, there will be another ‘incident’ that of course is not the owners fault.

  19. Its about time that the present owner signed off her rights to Brindi,and allowed Brindi to be re-homed preferably to a responsible dog owner in the country.

  20. I have read so much on this, it is making my head spin. From everything I have seen and read, this dog should not be with an owner that shows so much instability. With the hunger strike and the way she is carrying herself , makes me wonder. I am on facebook and in her blogs etc. plus I have read what is in another group. There are more things there then on hers. Things that really made me wonder. From what I have found out, this dog should be rehomed. Not go back with Rogier. Reading this actually made my stomach churn. It is such a sob story and still no real truth. When is she going to tell it?

  21. The people opposing Francesca have made it their mission to discredit her. They have gone beyond caring about the dog. They harass and slander. They are just down right nasty. If only they would spend that energy helping and doing something positive. Their negative behavior and hatred saddens me.
    Yes Francesca made mistakes. Heaven forbid we should make mistakes. The point is Animal Control handled the enire situation wrong. If Francesca loses, the court is condoning what Animal Control did. That will hurt all dog owners in HRM, especially those with dogs with behavioural issues…

  22. Yes Carolyn, move the problem to the country! She was in the country, her whole life! The problem needs to be dealt with be it by Ms. Rogier or someone else with a behaviorist specialist, not a dog trainer doing agilty! Funny, Brindi sat in a “rescue” for 2 years and none of these people cared about her then. Now they want her retrained and sent away from the only person that has ever loved her. Now they all think they know what is best, sounds pretty hypocritical to me.

  23. I am dissapointed that this article was so one sided and did not reflect the real cause of Brindi’s incarceration by Animal Control Services. Ms Lowe should of read the court transcripts… Brindi had attacked 4 times – the last attack was on a service dog while Brindi was under a muzzle order. Ms. Rogier idea of fencing her property is laughable if it was not so tragic – chicken wire?! Ms. Rogier has done this dog a disservice by not properly containing the dog on her property. She is the perfect example of an irresponsible dog owner.Brindi should be rehomed to an experienced dog owner that would work with trainers to deal with her dog on dog aggressive tendencies. Or be sent to a reputable sanctuary where staff are trained to deal with dogs with issues.
    Ms. Rogier claims she is the champion fighting our existing A300 bylaws which are flawed BUT did she ever speak at the A300 public hearings – NO. Too little too late.

  24. wow “citizenofHRM”… your posts are almost word for word of Ms. Rogier. Makes me wonder.

  25. The SPCA is taking a middle position.They hold Killing animals in one hand- HRM laws and the mandate of the entire Society for the Protection of Cruelity against Animals in the other.
    Seems they have to choose which one to help.If they were 2 seperate services,I would probably help the SPCA, but as it is,I will not help the city kill animals.
    My mother had 4 oldlarge dogs and was dying of cancer, She always donated to animal shelters like bide awhile & the spca. She would not allow my dad to give the dogs away. We had to feed & look after them for over 6 mths.After she passed away, My father took the 4 well behaved, fluffy-just brushed, dogs to the SPCA to find homes for them and gave food,collars,leashes etc with them. He was told they would definaely find homes,as the dogs were beautiful and friendly.
    My sister went in to check on the dogs every other day.One day(approximately 8 days) later, she went in and found all dogs gone. When she asked ,they said no one adopted them and the put them down.
    As simply as that, these dogs deserved to be adopted and they never cost the SPCA anything, as my father gave them 2 (20kg) bags of food and dog treats.These poor dogs were killed for nothing, and had we known the SPCA would do this, we would have found homes for them ourselves.
    Is this their mandate?I know it shouldn’t be.

  26. ” lover not a hater”.. I can appreciate where you are coming from and how you feel. Having said that, with all due respect, this isn’t about the SPCA… this is about an irresponsible owner crying foul because now she is backed into a corner and the dog she was suppose to protect is in big trouble. The law ( even though is a bad one) / HRM / AC/ SPCA etc. DID NOT put Brindi in this situation. Her owner did. Many times. Alot of us who have been following the lies and truths of this saga, know if Brindi is put back with this owner, there will be another ” incident” and this dog will die. This owner does not get it, she does not understand or maybe she is ignoring it, how serious this is and how serious we are to make sure she does not get this dog. I don’t think Ms. Rogier is a bad person, I do believe she is the WRONG owner for a dog with issues.

  27. This is a troubling display on many levels. The rights of this dog owner’s neighbours are never considered in this one-sided report. From the description, this women lives in a home that teeters near “blight” status plus on four occasions this poor unfortunate dog has terrorized other beloved pets. How is her love for this poor animal, sitting in a cage all these months, any greater or any more significant than the care and affection her NS neighbours feel for their animals?

    Again, very troubling indeed.

  28. Seems Ms.Rogier is displeased with this article. She is asking all her members to write the editor and complain. Saying there is alot of false statements etc.
    Seems this woman isn’t happy with anything. That is sad.. this dog is going to die because this owner only cares about her image. Instead of this dogs life , safety and the other people around her. SAD SAD SAD

  29. “If Francesca loses, the court is condoning what Animal Control did. That will hurt all dog owners in HRM, especially those with dogs with behavioural issues…”

    No, it will hurt dogs with owners who are incapable of handling them. Hello, FOUR ATTACKS. That dog is some kind of chain crazy, and Rogier obviously cannot handle the dog properly. Brindi might deserve another chance, but Rogier has used up all of hers.

  30. There is no doubt in my mind that Miss Rogier loves her dog but when is enough enough my dog was attacked by another dog and was hurt really bad. If this was the first offense then I would say sure give the owner a chance. Sorry Miss Rogier there are too many incidents. It is time you gave this dog to a new home that specialises in dogs with issues. I am scared to death to walk my dog other then in my own yard. We are missing out on allot because of pet owners irresponsibility like yours. I did join your group but found that asking people to bother public officials was wrong that and the lack of knowledge on the case in the group. Thank you for giving me a place to have my say
    Anglea Elisius Pictou county

  31. OK, this woman has to be bonkers! She cannot be in her right mind to possibly think that the courts will give her back that dog and put everyone else and their animals at risk.

    If this person gets their dog back, and it attacks anyone or any other animals, HRM should be held accountable for releasing it.

    Pass the dog onto someone who can take the resonsible approach and prove it; as Rogier has not done! She has only proven that she is unable to keep that dog under control and the public pets safe not once, not twice but four times now (reported times).

  32. I joined this group awhile ago and I am so glad I did
    http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.ph…
    It keeps everyone up to date on this case without passing judgement on anyone. It also has all kinds of media information for you to pick through and read the facts. that is where I found this article.
    So to the girls over there Thank you, I am a lurker not a poster and to the Coast Excellant article

  34. To the citzenofhrm
    If wanting to know the truth is slander then I guess some people will be guilty. What do you call asking people to on a regular basis write nasty letters for you.That in itself will not set Brindi Free. Getting people to write the SPCA when that is just where Brindi is housed. You think Brindi has suffered enough. According to the news the SPCA was on lock down because of death threats to do with this case. I think many people have suffered with Brindi. I only know what I see on TV and read in the paper. I really hope and pray Brindi lives. My dog was attacked and I would not even want the attacking dog put down I am sorry but that is how I feel. Miss Rogier does not like this article so now people have to complain here to. When will it stop
    The way Miss Rogier is behaving is appalling

    My dog was attacked, I am scared to walk the streets because of pet owners like Miss Rogier

  37. I am a resident of the HRM who has been following Brindi’s case since the early fall. In the beginning, I was a very militant Francesca Rogier supporter, but as time went by and I learned more and more about the case (and spoke to Ms. Rogier directly), I realized this was whole drama was becoming less and less about Brindi. Ms. Rogier has painted herself as the poor victim who everyone is out to get, but in actuality she has CREATED this entire debacle by not doing what is right for her beloved dog. She refused to take sound advice, turned down legitimate offers of help, but yet she has an online group of support soliciting financial donations, posting manipulated snippets of truth, and is going on mock-hunger strikes to keep HER name in the papers. Everyone is to blame but Francesca Rogier, and the life of an SPCA employee was even threatened over this. Most of her supporters are not even in the HRM or in Canada, yet they seem to think they have all the answers. At least one reputable rescue has offered help and Francesca has refused. If Brindi dies, the blood is on her hands and no one else’s. She continues to wear blinders and play the blame game while the poor dog sits on death row.

  38. I would like to see Brindi released to a trainer for a designated period of time. Time enough for Francesca to rebuild her house and a secure fence for Brindi. Then when she passes an inspection from Animal Control and the Trainer reports Brindi’s made enough progress then let the woman have her dog back. As far as I understand Brindi has not shown aggression to people so to speculate Brindi ripping the face off a child is preposterous.

  39. bulldaisymom,Thankyou for your information,but I have read the blogs and the court documents.The problem “is” both the SPCA and the entire bylaws.
    I’m curious as to who wrote them? Aparently not an animal lover.
    If Brindi is killed by the HRM, is that going to make everyone in the HRM feel safer????

    They put pedifiles out to harm more kids,knowing they will re-offend again, but keep a dog that had a few fights with other dogs,locked up in a cage.
    I know for a fact that the dogs are not walked nor groomed daily.This is cruel to each & every animal at the shelter.
    There has to be a great divide between the two.They cannot co-exist!
    Apparently too,I can read better than alot of people here.There were 3 fights with other dogs and no great damage was done.There are no pictures entered into evidence, so those people realy love their animals, don’t they? I know if my dog was hurt ,I would be taking pictures of the wounds and give the vet evaluations to the city’s lawyers.
    I have 2 dogs myself , who fight territorial almost on a daily basis.One will never leave my yard, but one will take off at the blink of an eye.I live where my neighbours know he runs and “IS” an ankle biter,but have never called AC,(THANK GOD) for them. They know to back away and ignore him.He will run for hours and will run faster ,if we try to chase him.There is nothing anyone can do to catch him. He was saved from being drowned by a flea market seller.
    I can tell you,he is worth every ounce of effort we have put into him. He is very smart ,he dances,he’s delicate and dainty and can count and add, with showing him fingers.
    He also howls at the moon as well for hours and nothing stops him.My neighbours have Never called the bylaw on that either.
    I MOST DEFINATELY DO NOT CONSIDER MYSELF AN IRRESPONSIBLE DOG OWNER!!
    because of these things my dog does.

    I am appaled at the names being thrown around on a person,that most don’t even know the circumstances!
    You can read this & that, but unless you live it, you have no idea of what happened,except that this dog got into a few fights.She has never harmed an humans!! Isn’t that what the HRM are trying to say? They want the public to feel safe.
    Apparently 1 little dog can cause the whole of Halifax & surrounding areas to feel not safe.Hmmm…Sounds pretty stupid to me.
    I make mistakes as did Ms Rogier, and I would do exactly the same as she has done.
    I am so sick of the laws in our city and the lies told to make them right.

    Halifax, NS is # 7 , as the most violent city in Canada, but ask the police, & the mayor, they’ll tell you it’s safe to walk anytime in the HRM.Just watch out for “BRINDI”!! Or maybe gun shots in Dartmouth,fall River, from a drive by or out in Spryfield at a pizza place.
    My friend was robbed of her money, cell phone and Christmas gifts, just 4 months ago. Did you hear about that? No,because they don’t want the public to know we have stupid placed laws which no one abides by and they convicts slip through the cracks. This mugger was never caught!
    But because one woman makes a mistake or 2 or 3, she is scrutinized by everyone.
    Get the city and the laws revamp and imply them in the right directions.

    This whole story told here, made a point to tell of the conditions of her home. What has that to do with her Dog? It also says she was charged 3 times.Well from what I read, she’s charged 1 time only!
    There seems to be a lot of hate ceing directed at this woman, and I want to tell her I’m sorry for what my home city is doing to her and her dog.
    To kill a dog is not going to make Halifax a better place to live.
    This is the most rediculous case ever to come out of the HRM.

  40. It must be nice to be perfect and never make mistakes. I see that some of the people who have posted a comment here are from the save brindi but not to her owner HATE group. There have been a lot of animals needlessly put down because their owners didn’t know that they could fight it. If the HRM had done things the right way at the beginning, they wouldn’t have this fight on their hands now. One thing I would like to point out is that people in prison, even those on death row are allowed to have visitors, but this poor dog Brindi is not allowed to see anyone. Why is this? Why is the HRM refusing visitation to this dog? Are they afraid that people will see that she is warm and generous and not a danger to anyone? Maybe if the HRM gave in a little and allowed the poor dog to have visitors they would be looked on in a more favorable light. At the moment, I am very glad that I don’t have a dog living in Nova Scotia.

  41. The ONLY comment I read here that made any sense was made by Contessa.
    Here’s what she suggests……

    I would like to see Brindi released to a trainer for a designated period of time. Time enough for Francesca to rebuild her house and a secure fence for Brindi. Then when she passes an inspection from Animal Control and the Trainer reports Brindi’s made enough progress then let the woman have her dog back. As far as I understand Brindi has not shown aggression to people so to speculate Brindi ripping the face off a child is preposterous.

  42. I agree with you lover not hater. I would rather see that done, then to put Brindi down or take her completely away from Ms. Rogier.
    The only problem with that, would be that it would take a lot of money for Ms. Rogier to finish her home, and of course she still has legal bills to pay. But in large, that motion would be great as long as Brindi was allowed visitation from Ms. Rogier….pre approved according to the trainer.

  43. Contessa, that would be great IF it wasn’t like this…
    No reputable trainer that the court will accept will touch Brindi as long as she is OWNED by this owner. That is a problem. They are top in their field for Training and behavior issues like Brindi has.

    lover not a hater
    There isn’t hate for this owner. Please stop talking like that when you don’t know anyone who is wanting this dog to live but because of the owners actions is in this situation. We do not have to support this owner to support Brindi. Even though Brindi did the ” attacks”, she is innocent because she was NOT TRAINED PROPERLY. Her owner knew she was property/dog aggressive and never sought proper help with that. Brindi was SUPPOSE to have passed her obedience class but guess what, her obedience was not there when Brindi ignored the recall. TTHAT is not a trained dog. Good for you that your neighbors have never called AC… YET. Hope it never happens. But you are not this owner nor is this dog yours. Every situation is different in a way. This owner has shown time and again to be irresponsible with a dog that has issues. I for one do not believe this owner understands how to handle a dog like this. Brindi is NOT human aggressive, she is a sweet dog but because of her background, lack of proper training and certainly lack of proper ownership and supervization she has a BIG problem.
    As for the SPCA…. no you are WRONG. They are a HOLDING area for the AC/ HRM… until this case is over, they are under contract with the AC / HRM to house and care for Brindi. That is it. Frankly I wish they did have the right to do something with Brindi, she would have been safe a long time ago in a wonderful home. I can tell you, after all the antics, lies, half truths etc. there is no way in hell this owner would have this dog back. Did you ever wonder why she was banned for the SPCA for 6 mths?? I know why. If I was there I would have banned her for longer.

    Misty Blue…. I have dogs and I live here in NS and guess what, I am not worried about my dogs. I am a responsible owner. This does not happen with a one or 2 time thing. just running at large. This owner REPEATEDLY by being irresponsible allowed this to happen. I have not pity for anyone who are irresponsible like this. Brindi was known to have to wear a muzzle ( right or wrong) but didn’t. Sure she was ” supoose ” to be being tied and muzzled but ” escaped” before it could be done… 1. why wasn’t the muzzle on BEFORE the door was open ( she was being put out right)2. Why wasn’t steps taken to prevent Brindi from getting out before she should have.
    I have 3 dogs… ONCE and ONCE only has any dog I have EVER had gotten out. I train the heck out of my dogs and the one that is still in training is leashed until he is on his outside tie out. There is nothing you can say that leads me to believe this owner is or will be reposible enough for THIS dog. You all can banter on about ” what the city has done to this owner” but at the end of the day.. THE OWNER DID IT TO HERSELF AND HER DOG. SHAME on her and shame on the bullies in her group who really don’t know what they are talking about.
    Funny thing about someone saying that the Release Brindi but not to her owner is a HATE group… guess they don’t know alot.

  44. For someone who claims to “know” the truth, you continually fail to reveal the big secret to anyone! You set up a group with the objective being ‘the truth’ and other than the most recent links to articles and news reports there is NO different information in it than in the original Save Brindi group and blog. Other than some of the more recent links there’s been NOTHING but attacks and hen clucking, along with people from that group going into Save Brindi SUPPORT group and posting links and leaving comments trying to incite trouble.

    I have read every article, blog, judgement, and news report on this case and still support the dog going back to her owner. I’ve read every thing posted even in your sad group that attacks and is counter-productive to the release of Brindi, that is, until you closed the group this week so that people couldn’t report the attacks (I read the group at first to see the ‘truth’ but I did not join the group as I was waiting for the truth to be revealed that would shock and appall us, it NEVER happened, nothing new was revealed!), but still I read every word in case there was something new to this that we don’t already know. If there is a big secret to reveal please get on with revealing it…don’t leave us in suspense. If we shouldn’t be supporting this woman and her dog give us the information (and proof) so we can make an informed decision (which was supposed to be the purpose of this new group!).

    As far as I’ve read the trainers have never come out publicly to renounce their support for Brindi and Francesa. I read it once in a blog (which anyone can post in under any name or anonymously!) and ,of course, continually in your counter-productive group, as if it’s a fact. Kindly post the link for that public statement from those trainers. Otherwise stop stating it as a fact that can’t be backed up. I’m sure the papers would be all over it if that juicy little tidbit were true!

    The fence installed around this lady’s yard is not chicken wire BTW. Chicken wire is a light weight wire that can be cut with scissors, this fence is a galvanized welded wire fence. Go to the hardware store and check out the fencing, it’s a metal type of fencing that is frequently installed in construction sites, to form safety barriers, the type of fence that form the deer barriers along the highways. It’s not quite as pretty as chain link but likely as sturdy. It will hold the strongest of dogs, deer or kids for that matter. This ‘chicken wire’ rumor is just the another example of what this opposing group is spewing.

    This groups also seems to take exception to the fact that Francesca is not born Canadian. They question her right to protection under our laws and the right to use our justice system. As a Canadian military family about to be posted to the US, I sure hope my family can use their justice system and be protected by it should the need ever arise! There is the suggestion money laundering and various other wild accusations. They imply Francesca does not have local support because of the huge international support she has gotten?? (I don’t know how that even makes sense, who do they think spread the word internationally? Surely not just Francesca!) She has huge support on Facebook with well over 4000 memebers and petitions with over 3000 signatures. This opposing group has around 100 members and a small petition made up of 75% non-Canadian signatures, guess they don’t have the local support they claim either?

  45. Why does she think that sending 1000’s of letters, all saying the same thing to political figures, HRM, SPCA, Animal Control will help her case?

    So many people are blinded by this situation, and just want to help and think it is a good cause when sadly they are mistaken?

    Why doesnt this lady get her living accomodations situated and just continue her fight. It is obvious that there is nothing more she can do until the courts hear the case.

    I hope that dog walkers will feel safe again knowing the HRM is finally cracking down on piss poor owners.

  46. The “HATE” group keep saying that they have proof that Brindi should not be allowed to go back to her owner. I have been on the boards, before they closed it to everyone, and I have never seen the so called proof. If you want people to believe what you believe then put your money where your mouth is and prove to us why Brindi should not be allowed to go back to Ms. Rogier. The only real thing I have read in your group is nasty comments about Ms. Rogier and nasty comments about her fence and just plain nasty comments. I know all about how Brindi got away from Ms. Rogier and nipped ONE dog, which wasn’t serious. And I know about the muzzle order, and I know that she was running at large two other times. So what else can you tell us ?

  47. This story reminds me of a show I was watching on HGTV a few years ago. The point of the show was to highlight a particular family’s cluttered room or house and de-clutter it. In this one episode, after everything that the homeowner agreed was unnecessary was removed, they were left with a pile of items that the homeowner couldn’t bear to part with. At this point, a man was called in whose specialty on the show was going through this pile with the homeowner and making the hard choices. He picked up a box with a photo frame on the lid and asked the woman can we get rid of this. She said, no, it’s very precious to me. I just can’t get rid of that. And he said, well if it is so precious to you then why was it in the bottom of a box, all coated with dust. And she began to cry because she had no answer. My point is that if she cared so much about her dog, or about other dogs, beyond lip service, she damn well would have done what was necessary to remedy that situation. And now she is paying the price. Should her dog be killed? No. But it should not go back to her. She has proved she is irresponsible and her dog deserves better. It’s sad because I’m sure she regrets her actions, and misses her dog, and I DO agree that the dog should not be destroyed, and that she was quite possibly mistreated in the legal process. I’d have more sympathy if she was more open about the fact that, nevertheless, SHE doesn’t deserve to have her dog back.
    By the way, I might have liked to have read some comments by the owners of the dogs who were attacked, in this article.

  48. I just want to say what started as an honest discussion has once again become what I see an angry mob that when they can not get their way they mouth away. As I said before I am a lurker on the release brindi, The only nastiness I ever see is when people come over and attack people for being a member of that group. What ever happened to freedom of choice. I chose to go there to read so does that give the right for people from that group to send emails to every member of the release brindi group blasting them. I never speak and I got one of those messages. They say there is no information. There is newspaper articles and TV reports and a link to the coast that is how I found this article. Are these links on the save brindi group no they are not. That says who wants the facts out there. I am sorry Miss Rogier, you have launched another attack this time on the Coast. If you add the facts to your site the TV interviews and the newspaper articles people will take you a little more seriously
    I am sorry but please Miss Rogier hand over all the facts if you want the public to take you seriously. I am not judging you or your group in any manner. I just want to look at all the facts in peace.

  49. Seems to be alot of HATE coming from the so called “nice” group. Why is it I see you guys coming in there and posting really nasty things and attacking people who differ from YOUR opinion? That is all you have.. opinion and what MS. ROGIER wants you to know. She and Carrie ( or is it Carolyn today) send out mass emails telling people do report a group to shut it down. Tries to get people banned for differing opinions etc. You come in and post the same redderick over and over to incite people. You are just angry now because you can’t get into the group to continue. Carrie has called people here in NS just to harass them. Why are people LEAVING your group? Why didn’t MS. Rogier tell about the 4 puncture wounds on one dog … not one puncture but 4. Why does it take seizing an animal after 3 chances for her to do anything. Why do we HAVE to support this irresponsible owner? Why can’t people JUST support this dog? Why is it that Carrie stated in the Release Brindi but not to her owner group that you are not allowed to be in both groups. Carrie is from Ms. Rogiers group. She has no business telling anyone in the other group what they can do. Why are you complaining about that group being closed but your group is also. So what if there is smaller numbers in the Release group. Most of the ones in your group was added by alot of the members your group kicked out because they asked a question or differed from what you believe. Everything you are accusing the ” hate” group of, you are doing it in mass numbers. Threatening a member of the SPCA, harassing people, telling people who they can be friends with, telling people they HAVE to support Ms. Rogier in order to support Brindi. Is this Ms. Rogier’s way of getting this article closed because she isn’t happy with it? That is what she said in her group right… asking all her members to contact the editor… that would be alittle over 4000 emails / calls/ letters etc. all because she don’t like the way it was written… just like everything else she don’t like. Get rid of it or get her ” friends ” to do it. Yep… I still believe she is not fit to own this dog.

  50. ( Threatening a member of the SPCA, harassing people, telling people who they can be friends with, telling people they HAVE to support Ms. Rogier in order to support Brindi….asking all her members to contact the editor. )
    I have done NONE of this. I went to your group to see the other side and to try to figure out why some people didn’t want Brindi returned to her owner….and to get some answers. And all I saw were hateful posts.
    ( Why didn’t MS. Rogier tell about the 4 puncture wounds on one dog … not one puncture but 4. ) See…that is all I was asking for when I came over to “look at” your group….some answers. But even that is not an answer. Anyone can say that…but it doesn’t make it true, unless you have proof.
    And before you say that Ms. Rogier should show proof too, I agree with that. But until I have some solid proof that she shouldn’t have Brindi returned to her, then I will never understand why some people think that Brindi should go to someone else.

  51. lover not hater: so apparently you didn’t read the court documents all the way through? Because you would have found the part about Brindi plowing a woman over to get at her dog and dislocating her finger in the fall.

  52. The nasty comments on the Release Brindi group were put there by members of the other group. They come in and attack and yes are answered in kind. You can only put up with so much crap and then you hit back. I am sure a lot of people may not realize who these attackers are, but let me assure you they are from the Save Brindi group. They like to use false names and delete their post themselves. As well they often use their own names.

    They are now using this forum to wage a war in public. I do not understand why they are so angry with the Release group other than they do not like the facts out there. There are many facts that, yes, cannot be ‘proven’ to your satisfaction because they are told in confidence. Many people do not want to be openly involved because of fear. The fear is real and is being done by the Save Brindi group.
    As a neighbor I would be very afraid of coming forward. I also would not want to walk my dog past that place if Brindi was to go back with her. A person should feel free to go wherever they choose in their own neighborhood without fear.

    Please release Brindi, just let her go to a new home.

  53. So where do you think Ms Rogier’s supporters heard about this article…on her Save Brindi support group! It was posted by Ms Rogier. Every article about this was posted there until the attacks started happening about a month ago when a few people decided there was a secret truth!

    If you had read every post in every discussion, blog, and news articles etc that have been posted since day one, all the facts are there. Her apology is there. There has been tons of postings and information and a lot of the information you do have to read way back to find the details. I don’t think she should have to re-post every piece of information and detail over and over for the ones that can’t be bothered to do their reading or research. All the incidents and details have been explained over and over. When people came in and start questioning, (the questions that started this anti-Fran group were very much accusations-money laundering are you kidding me?!) and don’t listen to or read the many postings to find the answer before the accusations get worse, why would Francesca respond? She’s very clearly and respectfully asked people to send her an email or message if that want any information. I’ve asked plenty and have always gotten an answer, of course I asked respectfully. I was very surprised when a handful of some of her most vocal supporters (and their aliases) appeared in this vicious group.

    I have heard a few people from Save Brindi have done such things as email or call people in the other group. Having a couple people out of more than 4000 do something on their own in the mistaken belief they are helping, is just how life is…as you are quick to point out everyone is entitled to their opinion. Do I support what those people have done in this? Nope! Just as there are a few rotten people spewing half truths, untruths, and outright lies in the anti-Francesca group, there are a few people in her group that also do inappropriate things. This in no way indicates she sanctioned them.

    I don’t believe anyone HAS to support Ms Rogier (I do though). I am in the group, and have read everything, at no time did I get an email asking me to complain to anyone. I don’t think anyone has complained that your group is closed, suits me fine…as I said I’ve been waiting for the secret truth to be revealed there. I would join the group if it was simply Save Brindi with no attack on her owner, since my understanding was the ‘truth’ was going to be posted there. I just didn’t learn anything new there and the title of the group itself makes it an attack group, except for the title it looked like the group was going to be an open forum to express an opinion. What more is there to add by having that group? The information has not changed from the original group or blog, nothing has changed nor will change until June yet everyday people in that group sit and judge, lie about and belittle Ms Rogier. Even here the most vocal people continue to vocalize saying the same unproven ‘facts’ such as the withdrawing of support from trainers. There must be a coffee hour where those trainers sit around giving their opinion to those few mouthpieces in the group, as again there is no public statement. I have also not seen any proof or charges regarding the SPCA threats coming from the support group. I do recall the statement from the SPCA saying this happens a couple times every year…not that Ms Rogier was responsible for it.

    It is said she made scene at the SPCA at the time she was contacted by the media for her reaction to the news that her dog had been killed before Christmas. She went there to find out if it was true…would you not have done the same thing? Would you not have insisted on seeing your dog that the SPCA claimed was alive but you had been just told by the media was dead? I would…I would have stood there asking to speak to each level of management until someone gave me proof she was still there and alive! Since this was her only visit there and she was obviously devastated, why wouldn’t she demand to see that her dog (that was there to be killed!) was alive?!

    She is a loving dog owner who has made mistakes and is trying to correct those mistakes and save her dog. The only option for her is to fight for her pet, as HRM has clearly stated it’s intent to kill Brindi. Only by going through this legal process can she be saved. No other options are on the table, and to propose anything different leaves Brindi at the mercy of HRM’s needle (or do they still use gas?)!

  55. Her front page covers a long letter written by herself about the situation. Of course this is her perspective. Posted items include 1 petition, many items for sale, 1 touching video and 1 article of which the link doesn’t work. There is a few newspaper articles buried deep in some topics.
    There is no video coverage of the news, which there was a number available. Court decision not there. Selective ?
    As for having to answer questions over and over because people are too lazy to look for themselves, I agree. They have the same problem on the Release Brindi site.

  56. wondering the secret wrote
    I have heard a few people from Save Brindi have done such things as email or call people in the other group. Having a couple people out of more than 4000 do something on their own in the mistaken belief they are helping, is just how life is

    I left the save brindi group when the ADMIN of that group sent out a email to over 4000 members labeling people and saying what group they belong to. I thought that was rather imature and chidish. If it was only members on their own doing this that is different. When the admin does this it is sickening. I do not know the people named they could be nice or nasty. I do not care. I never once saw people over on release brindi post to their group via emails labeling people. I saw members also posting on others on other members profiles from save brindi this one is nasty or that one is nasty. I was on their friends list until that happened. Its one thing to be fighting for this dog but personal attacks there are too many out of save brindi from the admin and members As much as they want to knock release brindi I have not seen one unprovoked attack.If you wish to deny the admin attack I will be pleased to add that to my next post direct from my face book inbox. I complained to face book about it. It sickened me that bad. The proof is in the pudding who is doing what
    Thank you

  57. It is understandable when the members of a group freak but when the ADMIN emails there members like in the save brindi group and names names that is wrong and an unprovoked personal attack. I got that email and left the save brindi group because of it.
    The other group I have never ever seen an email come out naming names. Thesse people could be nice or nasty. Its just wrong when an admin does that. so before you say you can not control what members post you should have added we can not control what our ADMIN posts this will be my final comment because I am trying to remain neutral but am being forced to speak. I am neutral when it comes to wheter Miss Rogier gets Brindi back or not but I have to say the Save Brindi group is starting to sway what I feel is best for this dog.

  58. Here is a question I have never seen posted or addressed in any way. Ms. Rogier has adopted a dog that she knows has issues. What kind of training did she give Brindi? Was it specialized for her problems or just your regular obedience classes you can find anywhere? Honest answer appreciated, please.

    The fact that Brindi did not stop when commanded by her owner shows that she did not really pass the course.

  59. The ‘Save Brindi’ group hasn’t been about Brindi for some time. It has been a personal soapbox for Francesca and her blind followers and when someone says something they don’t like or speak the truth, they lash out and try to stir up as much dust and dirt as possible to take the blame off them. I am an active member of the ‘other group’ and I wholeheartedly believe that Brindi’s life should be spared, but she should NOT be returned to such an irresponsible owner as Francesca Rogier. I also feel that it is FRAN that needs the retraining more than Brindi. Brindi is simply a victim of circumstance and she is a beast. It is the responsibility of her master to keep her safe, teach her right from wrong, proper behaviour, ensure the safety of both Brindi and the community where Fran resides, but alas that never happened. Chicken wire fencing, and blaming the SPCA and the AC aren’t going to get Brindi back. Letters from people other continents isn’t going to help, neither will writing the Governor General. Acknowledging her shortcomings in the beginning, adhering to the muzzle order and considering the fostering offer by the rescue group might have many months ago, but Fran bawked at the notion of any help, but then claims people aren’t supporting her. Geez, I wonder why.

  60. Curious as to what makes this any different then if the dog attached a human being? Seriously people, if a dog is that aggressive then there’s obviously something wrong with the dog or the owner for not properly securing the animal….

  61. Clara, from all I have heard and read, Francesca just gave Brindi regular obedience and claims she graduated at the top of her class and is proud that she knows how to shake paw. That is the extent of Brindi’s retraining from all that has been said by Ms. Rogier.

  62. dartmouthcat-I don’t think it’s the same as if Brindi attacked a human, but the groundwork has been set thanks to Francesca’s disregard for municipal laws, and now the HRM doesn’t want to risk the chance of Brindi escalating, and frankly I don’t blame them. That being said, I do feel Brindi is capable of change, but unfortunately her former owner is not.

  63. ‘Release Brindi but not to her owner’ is a compassionate group who is capable of seeing all sides and forming an intelligent opinion. I suggest you all check it out. Contrary to what Fran’s group likes to spout, we aren’t out to get her, we don’t lie or attack, we aren’t hanging onto false hopes nor do think Francesca is the devil incarnate. We simply just believe that Brindi would be better off somewhere else with an owner who understand her issues, is willing to work with professionals, retrain her and can ensure this will never happen again. Francesca is too proud to admit she is at fault and again I say, she is signing Brindi’s death certificate and the blood of an innocent dog is on her hands, not on the hands of our group like she has said recently.

  64. RELEASE BRINDI TO SOMEONE OTHER THAN THAT MS. ROGIER BECAUSE SHE IS NOT RESPONSIBLE ENOUGH TO KEEP HERSELF SAINE HOW THE HECK CAN SHE MANAGE A DOG?

    GIVE HER TO ANOTHER PERSON BUT NOT BACK TO HER SO IT JUST KEEPS GOING AND GOING. SHE HAD HER DAMN CHANCES AND SHE HAS LOST THEM, BUT IS NOT WILLING TO TAKE HER FRIGGING BALL AND GO THE HELL HOME.

  65. I should have also added anyone else that received that comment should also report the group for slander.
    The report group button is at the bottom of the main save brindi page.
    I am not for or against the save brindi or release brindi group but when a letter like that from the save brindi group went through that is just wrong especially from the ADMIN who is supposed to have control over the group.

  66. If this dog was human and had violently attacked other humans with the same frequency and motive (which is NONE) then we’d throw away the key. I am a dog owner and a dog lover, but I understand that love does not mean complacency. It means raising your animal like you do a child–with discipline, consequences and responsibility. Rogier can’t understand why they want the dog killed? And this woman is an ex-professor? Ye gods…

  67. If this dog was human it would be like pinching someone for walking too close to his sandcastle…he would get a time out…Or the trouble maker who frequently starts a fight in a bar ’cause someone looked at ‘his girl’…he would be kicked out, likely for the night…Brindi has had her time out, so has Francesca!

    I read the court ruling from a link from either her blog or the discussions in her Facebook group (the other group did not exist when I read it). If you can’t find it in the group it was likely in the blog, which is now gone. Most of the media links were there as well. When looking to post a video from one of the news sites to a different group I was told videos could not be posted as they are copyrighted. It may be the reason they are not there, although I know lots of people add them anyway. Anytime you add photos or video to Facebook it asks if you have the right to distribute it, and if you don’t own it you don’t have the right to post these things unfortunately. It may be possible to get around that by posting a link, thus giving proper credit where it’s due?

    I don’t know what kind of training she did with Brindi but I do remember seeing it on the blog. I do know she only had the dog one year. I’ve had dogs for many years, and done many types and levels of training. Anyone that has been to obedience classes knows there is no such thing as getting a perfect recall (or stay) in a short period of time, certainly not in a first level of classes, has been my experience. So whatever classes she passed were not enough, and only a stepping stone to build on. A pass in an obedience class doesn’t mean you have a trained dog, it means you and your dog are ready for the next level.

    For the record, I have never emailed anyone but Francesca and a couple of admins or supporters I was discussing things with. Unfortunately even admins have their own opinion, it’s the reason in my (unrelated) group I’m the only admin 🙂 It prevents people from speaking on my behalf or editting as they see fit. I realize the admin emailed everyone calling people out, I deleted it, it reflected badly on the group and Fran, it was unnecessary… and I had already read their nastiness!

    You say that you never once saw an unprovoked attack in the anti-Fran group? Tell me again about the chicken wire fence (that isn’t chicken wire!)…the death threats attributed to her supporters, accusations of money laundering because there’s a European bank account for her friends to donate to, question again whether she should be able to use the Canadian court system because she wasn’t born here (she lives here!), tell us again how the trainers have jumped ship, how she thanked the Bridgewater puppy killer (she didn’t, she thanked the person she received Brindi from and explained that many times!)…NONE of THAT is nasty?! None of it was NICE that’s for sure, much of of it (if not all) is untrue, and no one seems to want to provide any supportive evidence of any of it! I can tell you, her supporters did not start any of those nasty discussions! How was it provoked? I guarantee Francesca did not go into that group and provoke any of those attacks! I have hardly seen her try to defend herself against these attacks at all (although her supporters certainly do!)!

  68. Dogs bite other dogs, it is part of their nature! I think Francesca has oversensitive neighbors. She clearly loves Brindi, and Brindi deserves another chance. Francesca has gotten the fence, so all is good. It is too bad she didn’t have the fence before hand though. But even though, that is not the dogs fault. Brindi nipped another dog, it is not like she mauled another dog. That would be different.

    If animal control/services want something to do, they should go after Gail Benoit who sells sick puppies. And they should go after the evil people in HRM that still engage in dog fighting.

    Brindi deserves to go home with Francesca, and animal control should move on to more important cruelty to animal issues !!

  69. lover not hater…
    “Maybe everyone should be focusing on keeping murders and child sex offenders in jail,instead of letting them live in a community(which makes it not safe) from these people.like the most recent in CB.”

    Ok…. sounds good… EVERYONE, FORGET THIS DOG and her owner. withdraw all support for either of them. We are all tired and think there is much better things to do. Nobody cares ( esp lover not hater) about this dog… even said so.
    Posted by pinkydo on March 8, 2009 at 6:29 PM | Report this comment

    See… even lover not hater thinks the support for Ms. Rogier and Brindi should stop. Not worth it because there is more important things.

  70. Mandy,

    I am sorry but over sensitive neighbors. From someone that can not walk their dog because one of her neighbors dogs bit mine bad that is a little out there. Until your dog has been bitten unprovoked. Until it is you that is in that position to speak. You have no idea what over sensitive is. If this was Brindi’s first offense then I would say ok but it is not. I feel for the neighbors they are the very people thrown into this scared to speak because of legal recourse. If the fence is now sturdy good for Miss Rogier. If it is not I hope that Brindi is not released to her. I am sorry but that is how I feel and I mean no disrespect to Miss Rogier but from what I have been through I think that dogs that bite other dogs should have a sturdy enclosure with no chance of escape.

    As for the rest of you I was in both groups, I left save brindi after all the useless B. S. I felt that getting your members to complain over and over again to people in a position of power because you think it will make a difference and misinform people because at this point it is into the judges hands.
    This should all about saving the dog. So the misinformed until you have all the facts and I do not mean you Mandy Please read the facts. Look for answers outside of save Brindi and come back after you have done the research and see who is giving all the facts. To the person that said at one point Miss Rogier had the information on her site. She should have left it there.
    To Pinkydo Miss Rogier either has someone in release brindi or is their under a fake id because this lady knows too much about a group that she continues to say she does not care about. She has told her members to report release brindi over and over again so I am quite sure face book has looked into and there is no issues with the terms of use. I honestly did not think there would be an issue because the trivial cat fights were from people coming from save brindi and picking fights including the ADMIN of the save brindi group. She did say she should not have done that but she did.
    It is hard not to get heated when people will not let you get all the information and get informed without being harassed.
    I was at the release brindi site last night and there were articles that I have never seen in the save brindi group or when I goggled information.
    It was all very helpful and was in no manner a smear to anyone it was all newspaper articles. I read each and every one of them.
    I have no idea why Miss Rogier did not like the coast article it was fantastic and honestly looked to be in her favor so why start the drama again

  71. wondering the secret wrote
    So where do you think Ms Rogier’s supporters heard about this article…on her Save Brindi support group! It was posted by Ms Rogier.

    It was posted by Ms Rogier because she needed people to write complaining letters. Don’t down play the motives of Miss Rogier

  72. Miss Rogier thinks she can do anything by harassment to HRM, Animal Control, MLA’s, you name it she has had 1000’s of people write the same letter and mail it, fax it, and calling people; wasting valueable time.

    She is just so selfish she wont give up. She needs to grow up. It is no longer about the dog it is all about her she thinks.

  73. All I can say is SELFISH SELFISH SELFISH SELFISH SELFISH SELFISH SELFISH SELFISH SELFISH SELFISH SELFISH SELFISH SELFISH SELFISH SELFISH SELFISH SELFISH SELFISH SELFISH SELFISH SELFISH SELFISH SELFISH SELFISH SELFISH SELFISH SELFISH SELFISH SELFISH SELFISH SELFISH SELFISH SELFISH SELFISH SELFISH SELFISH SELFISH SELFISH SELFISH SELFISH …..enough said.

  74. Angela, yes there are ppl from the save brindi group in Release Brindi. Some are there and are getting info they don’t get in the other group. At lease they can ask questions and they are answered as much as possible. Something alot of ppl don’t know is why the Ms. Rogier’s lawyer QUIT. That would be something worth while knowing seeing as the ” donations” are helping to pay for it. That is something that MAYBE only a selected few know. Not every person who donated is in the loop of what the money is spent on. I know I donated alot and I think it should be known where it is going.
    So if the save brindi group is so open, why isn’t that info given? Why is so much kept from all the members EXCEPT when they want you to write and harrass people.
    Now members of this group is here in this article trying to bash a group that just want all the facts. What are they scared of. The link for this article was posted on Release Brindi on Friday. BEFORE it was posted on save brindi.
    Oh well, guess it is pick and choose as to what that group posts, Release posts everything.

  75. Wow, that looks like it could be liabel charges against save brindi group and it’s admin instead of the other way around.

    I should contact those people and tell them to seek out those answers.

  76. I look forward with dread to the day Littl’ Brindi rips the face off a kid, and Rogier starts with the handwringing
    Posted by Matthew Luthor on March 5, 2009 at 1:13 PM | Report this comment

    Matthew, dog aggression and human aggression are 2 entirely different things. Even if a dog is dog aggressive don’t mean it is human aggressive. BRINDI IS NOT HUMAN AGGRESSIVE. There is no fear of what you suggest will happen. Things are bad enough with an irresponsible owner. Please don’t suggest something that may happen when she has been assessed thoroughly and found there is no fears of anything like that happening.

    I agree with your first part of the post though.

  77. Dear Viewers, Friends, Media & Dog Lovers:

    My name is Lara Spencer, I am the founder of the group “ Release Brindi but not to her owner”.

    As recent as last week, Fran Rogier and her angels group submitted massive amounts of complaints to Facebook regarding me. They provided false information and demanded that my account be removed. Because of the number of false complaints filed, Facebook acted on their behalf and removed my account.

    During the account removal process, all my photos were lost. I had all my sons’ baby photos and family photos on my profile. These were lost and I have no other photos due to a house fire last fall. These can never be replaced.

    As a lot of people know, I’ve been in a research program for the past 16 months for multiple sclerosis and am approaching the final stages of this horrible disease. This research program tracked my day to day living, including a daily journal of how I felt, coped, and dealt with my current situation. This was in a Facebook group where all this was being conducted. That was also lost the day they ripped my profile down.

    After receiving the treatment I did from the Save Brindi Facebook group, I decided to start my own group to express my thoughts and feelings. That is just what I did, and I have paid the full price for doing so.

    Lara Spencer.

  78. Ohhh Lara, good to hear from you. So sorry this happened. Don’t worry about the group. Gail saw it open and jumped in before it could be taken over. It is safe. 🙂 They may have got you deleted but your group will carry on. Wish you well and hope you are back soon.

  79. Anyone reading these post will understand who the
    people from the “HATE” group are. Once again, you are all showing your true colors.

  81. No they didn’t because
    “Save Brindi” is not a hate group.
    And everyone knows that.
    The real HATE group is
    “Release Brindi but not to her owner” !
    They have proven that, time after time.

  82. Ok Misty Blue I missed something sorry, Can you add a little proof to that statement, names or id’s so I know who you are talking about I will go back and lurk through the posts. I am open to both sides and would like a little more information
    Thank you

  83. I would like to know why Mistyblue is hating the Release Brindi group. I don’t think I saw anyone from that group in Save Brindi group posting except the ones that are in both.

    Far as I see, the Release group is just posting links and facts etc. that they find so people will get ALL the info out there. What is wrong with that? They are not calling anyone that I know of ( I am in both groups )and one of the privy that gets the emails from Save Brindi admin.

    Far as I see, the Save Brindi group are grasping at straws and just saying all this to get sympathy.

  84. You know Angela….this is pretty tame compared
    to some of the posts that I saw in the Release Brindi
    but not to her owner group. I actually think that the group itself had a lot of useful information on it and would pop in there to read it. But it got into a slinging match amd some pretty nasty things were said. In fact one person in particular said that she would do everything in her power to make sure that Fran never sees Brindi again. There was another comment about making a petition and calling it “Let’s deport the Bitch”. And another post calling her administrator trash. And they had members there making fun of her fence. I don’t condone everything that has happened in the Save Brindi group. And I do know that some of what was said in the Release Brindi group was in retaliation for some members from Save Brindi going to the Release Brindi group and saying things. But there was a lot more said that wasn’t in retaliation. I think it would be great if both sides could come to some kind of truce, or at least agree to live and let live. I think that everyone agrees that the most important thing is to make sure that Brindi is set free. At least that is something that we can ALL agree on.

  85. Pinkydo….I don’t hate the Release Brindi group, I found some very good links and information there. What I did hate was the nasty comments…and yes, as I said in my other post…some of them were in retaliation, but not all of them were. I think that it could be a great group if it wasn’t for the nasty things I read.

  86. mistyblue, the release group is NOT a hate group. Some members have stronger opinions than others and will voice them louder, but we’re all there for the same reasons. I’m an active member on there but I’m respectful, just as I am here. I just read what Lara posted on here and if the members of the “Save” group actually reported false things just to get her off Facebook, then they should be ashamed of themselves. First they call a man whose wife has cancer and now they’re attacking a woman who is dying of MS? Looks to me like they just like to attack people when they are vulnerable and weak. Bully syndrome at its finest.

  87. You are right dartmouthlady, but that wasn’t the whole group that did that. Like you said….some members have stronger opinions and will voice them louder, or in this case do something. I did say before that I don’t condone everything that happens in the Save Brindi group, but I won’t take the blame for what someone else did either. I have never reported anyone for anything. I have never and would never call someone or attack someone. And there are a lot of others in that group who are the same as me. The Free Brindi group is a group to support Fran in getting Brindi returned to her. When anyone starts trouble, they are reminded that the group is not here for that…..they are there for support. If they continue making trouble, they are banned from the group. Not because we don’t want to listen to them…but because this group is not about debating, it’s about supporting. I know that the Release group and the Save group will never agree on where Brindi should ultimately live when she is hopefully free, but that doesn’t mean that the groups have to be nasty or mean to each other. And I am talking about both groups. We basically want the same thing. We want Brindi to be free.

  88. Misty Blue

    I read the deport bitch comment and the lady that said it did apologize,, she was just frustrated after reading that the save brindi group was about to get its members to tie up public offices. I am not saying that lady was right but I am saying I do understand the frustration. I am all for looking for support but this is borderline harassment. I will agree some nasty things were said also when certain people including the ADMIN of save brindi went over and started to cause trouble. It is very sad that people that do not agree with the release brindi group can not leave those members alone. Little did they know I also received an email from a certain S B saying I should be ashamed of myself for starting or being part of the release brindi group. . I did not start I was merely a member. I was there to learn Something sadly and I mean sadly I did not learn in the save brindi. I stayed with the save brindi group until like I said before the email that had names on it. I felt oh lord I am next and left. I never said a word over there but being member of both groups I felt threatened. I am still scared to say my full id for fear of being trashed or being reported by 4000 members. Remember Lara Spencer who I am not completely convinced the Lara Spencer that posted in save brandy was the real Lara Spencer. I think it was a fake id made up to take this woman out and they did take her out. I do not nor will ever agree with that. I am not posting on this subject as I feel this could go on and on who did what. All I know and I feel in my heart, I should not be marked for being in a certain group. I am scared to walk my dog because of what happened to my dog. I hope Miss Rogier has one hell of a fence because if she gets brindi back and brindi gets lose again . heaven only knows what will happen this is sad all round. I am not picking or choosing sides. I just want to be able to go in peace where ever I want

    Thank you.

  89. Angela

    I am so sorry that you feel threatened, that is not a great way to live….and I agree with a lot of what you have said. I had also thought of joining the Release group, but didn’t want to feel like a traitor. But I have to admit that I am hoping that Brindi gets released to Fran….and I also hope that the fence is a strong one…lol. I also don’t think that all 4000 members of the Save group are sending letters and doing all those other things. But I guess there must be quite a few to do the things that you have said. And I agree with you totally that you should not be marked for being in a certain group….no one should. This is such a controversial subject, that I guess it would be natural that not everyone would agree on it. It’s just too bad that we can’t all act like responsible adults about it. Both groups have done things or said things that were uncalled for, but hopefully it has died down and we can now get on with what we meant to do in the first place. Hashing over things just brings back the frustration and none of us want that. Let’s keep on trying to save Brindi….she is the reason why we are here.

  90. Msity said” In fact one person in particular said that she would do everything in her power to make sure that Fran never sees Brindi again. “

    Yes Misty… I did say that and I mean it. I work really hard to help people be responsible for their pets. I have tried many many times to help FR. To no avail.. So be it. I have watched and read the posts in Save Brindi. That are gone beyond what was suppose to be. Now telling people they can’t love Brindi IF they don’t support FR. You can’t support Brindi if you don’t support FR. You can’t be in both groups if you want to be in Save Brindi.

    People like your admin and a few others posting on MY FRIENDS profile about ME, people making lists of the friends MY FRIENDS can have. Coming in Release Brindi and calling ME names etc. and full of hate… LONG BEFORE I said I will make sure Brindi DON’T do to FR. I have taken more then my share of some of the members of SAVE BRINDI group grap and I refuse to take any more.
    I am the admin in Release Brindi now and I am making sure that this group will do what we set out to do. That is to make sure Brindi goes to someone who understands her issues and does EVERYTHING for her. I don’t have to support FR and I don’t. But for her irresponsiblity, Brindi would not be where she is. PERIOD.
    When people come in Release Brindi and ask a question… they are answered to the best of our knowledge or what we ( I ) can legally say. For some no matter what is said it isn’t good enough. They then browbeat us and calling us liars etc.
    I never hated FR. I always said she loves Brindi but isn’t the right owner for her. Some people can handle dogs with issues while others can’t. Don’t make them bad owners. The difference is, those who understand will seek what is best for that dog because they do love them. They don’t make the poor dog spend what will be 11 mths or more in a shelter because they WANT. Sorry but I can tell you, what I want for my dogs is what is best for THEM even if that wasn’t with me. That is loving something with your whole heart.

    As for the fence… sorry it is laughable. That fence MAY keep a Pom in but it WILL NOT keep Brindi. If she thinks for one second that will pass for a containment fence to pass with AC/ HRM she better shake her head.

    Getting people all riled up about the SPCA with lies and inuendos about Brindi’s mistreatment etc. to further harassment is NOT COOL. Even the other day there was a post about SK( I know you know who that is). Like death threats wasn’t enough already but now wanting more things to happen. SMART MOVE.

    From what I have seen , read and seen in PERSON of FR… frankly I would never adopt an animal with issues to her in the first place. FR herself has issues IMO that she could use help with. But bulling people, telling them what to do or not do, getting people to harass others because we don’t agree with where Brindi goes etc. tells me what I am doing and will CONTINUE to do is right FOR ME to do.

    I don’t tell anyone else how to feel, think, act, support. NOBODY has a right to tell me either. To say I hate dogs, people because I don’t support FR… oh well, I guess what I have been doing for many many many years is hate.

    So you and the rest of the bullies in SAVE BRINDI can try to bring it on. Or your group can stay in their sandbox. Whatever is fine with me. I will tell you I will NOT back down no matter what is thrown at me. I screen shot EVERYTHING so any posts made by the guilty is saved before they delete them. Believe me, I have a BIG file.

    I have enough to close your group down now, I have enough to charge a few with slander, liabel NOW. So far I have not done it but push me to far I will.
    Admin in any group does not have the right to bully anyone.
    So that is where I stand so there is no further wondering. I am for Brindi getting a safe home AWAY from a 4 time irresponsible owner. I state that and stand behind what I say.

  91. And your point ?

    I read it all in the Release group, so you don’t have to get on here and call me a bully, because I am not one. And if you had bothered to read any of my posts, you would have read that I did not condone everything that happened in the Save Brindi group. As far as the admin and a few of her friends doing all those things…that was not me. All I have ever done was read what was said in BOTH groups, and yes, I too have a large folder full of screen shots. All that you have written above, was NOT done by me, sorry to disappoint you. And this is the very reason why I consider the Release group a hate group. You just couldn’t come in here and talk rationally….you have to rant on. And you call me a bully! Someone asked me why I didn’t like the release group and why I thought it was a hate group and I corrected them twice about not liking the release group, because as I have said twice before, there was a lot of information on the site. I also explained to them that the reason I thought of the group as a hate group was because of the nasty posts. And as for thinking that it is a hate group…..your post just got me thinking that way again…you go girl !
    Angela said that she should not be marked for being in a certain group and I totally agreed with her and told her I did….and you are marking me. You don’t have to come on here attacking me….because you are attacking a person that did NONE of the things that you are saying the group did. Not everybody in the group did these things, but you are taking the group as a whole and calling us all bullys.

    I’ll go sit in my corner now and never stop thinking that the Release group is a hate group. Wow…and just think…I almost changed my mind.

  92. cannot for the life of me,understand why this is spilling over into this comments box?
    This is for comments not lashing out at people.This is for making comments which are truthful, not hateful,nor spreading gossip.

    Statements like this
    “As for the fence… sorry it is laughable. That fence MAY keep a Pom in but it WILL NOT keep Brindi. If she thinks for one second that will pass for a containment fence to pass with AC/ HRM she better shake her head.”
    How do you know the fence is sturdy enough.Are you a contractor?You know the building codes?
    and this one…
    “Getting people all riled up about the SPCA with lies and inuendos about Brindi’s mistreatment etc. to further harassment is NOT COOL. Even the other day there was a post about SK( I know you know who that is). Like death threats wasn’t enough already but now wanting more things to happen. SMART MOVE.”
    Now that’s insinuating, that the “save Brindi” group sent death threats,without any proof from you at all! I, for one have never joined nor posted, in the release brindi group and have never said anything hateful or improper to anyone in any group.
    As for LS, she was very hateful and copies of this hateful & libel posts were sent to facebook,that’s how she got deleted.
    Also in case she doesn’t know,or any of her flock is misinformed about MS,
    This disease is not deadly!!

    I would ask here as well. Where is any information that the HRM is going to even consider allowing Brindi to be rehomed?
    Did you ask Francesca,if she has approached them with this idea?
    No, you must not have,because this is not what the city wants.
    Last I heard, the lawyer for the city,wants this dog dead.
    Also,where do you get all your “informed” & “firsthand” knowledge?
    The information posted in release brindi are the posts,copied from the save brindi site.
    I guess I’ll be attacted next. HaHaHa

  93. lover not hater..

    Most people with MS will live just as long as anybody else. People don’t die from MS itself, but sometimes people who are very badly affected get more infections, or pick up other illnesses more easily than healthy people and they can die from these.

    So unless you know the stage LS is in, I suggest you keep quiet. To LS maybe she is in a stage that can or do get illnesses that you can fight off but can kill her. SHAME ON YOU.

    Misty, where did Gail say you did anything? Oh and you have called the realease group the ” hate” group.

    what is it exactly they hate?

  94. Mist Blue wroteAs for LS, she was very hateful and copies of this hateful & libel posts were sent to facebook,that’s how she got deleted.
    Also in case she doesn’t know,or any of her flock is misinformed about MS,
    This disease is not deadly!!

    Misty this is the kind of anger that I saw come out of the members from save brindi going over to release brindi and posting.
    Where ever L S is in this disease it is not right to say that.
    I honestly am not convinced that Lara Spencer was not the one doing the posts. Anyone can set up a fake id on facebook and anyone can post and take screen shots I think that’s what you people called it and send it in as evidence. I may be wrong but word out there is that that someone set L.S. up. I will not disclose where I heard this because again I feel threatened by so many on facebook. This is a very sad situation
    For some people that come off so smart they are not, Not meaning you Misty. I recall in save brindi the complaint that the group was hacked what makes you think L S account was not hacked
    I am not picking up for L S just saying that you should always think everything through.
    I am not picking a fight again I want no trouble but people need to realize there are some really evil capable people out there

  95. I was wrong sorry Misty blue I meant to type lover not hater. It was Lover not haters comment I was answering not Misty Blues

  96. It is pretty obvious there are some hard core supporters posting here. Doesn’t matter that you say you are middle of the road, it is not coming across that way at all. Alot seem to be taking any and every comment as a personal attack just becasue they differ from their own ideas. Try to read the post without adding your own inflection and you may find it is just an opinion and not an attack.
    No one is going to change anyones mind here so why not just read what is said and move on.

  97. Pinkydo…Gail said ” So you and the rest of the bullies in SAVE BRINDI can try to bring it on. “…I believe that was directed at me…was it not ? As far as me thinking the release group is a hate group….look at the statement from Gail to me…and I read all the hateful comments that were in the release group, so what else am I supposed to think ?

    Thanks Angela, I noticed your post above.

    Frida…I agree with you. I don’t want to have to defend my opinions. Those opinions are based on what I have read. As I am sure a lot of other people’s are. We can only go by what we read because we are not there to see or hear differently.

  98. We know that some of the people involved in these groups
    are [removed by news editor]. The latter two commonly use fake profiles. Most of these
    people do not even live in Halifax.
    i Esther Smith just read this bullcrap and would have it knowen that i never use fake accounts i have one account only and its Esther Smith —so i would suggest that you know what you talking about before you make those statemnets
    i belong to neither group have joined long enough to make a statement and unjoined after psoting what i had to say —Frankly i do not believe Fran Should get Brindi back but thats just my opinion–and i dont have to agree with either side —so thanks for lieing about me –but again i only have one account

  99. Misty.. you really should go back and read every one of your posts before blaming someone else. Gail didn’t say YOU are a bully…. she said you as a person and the rest of bullies in Save Brindi ( as a group.) not that you were bullying. You are reading more into it then what was said. If you really read any of Gail’s posts… she says what she means. If she was calling you a bully she would have said Misty you are a bully.

    Also.. “Frida…I agree with you. I don’t want to have to defend my opinions. Those opinions are based on what I have read. As I am sure a lot of other people’s are. We can only go by what we read because we are not there to see or hear differently.”

    BINGO!!! You and most of the people from outside DON’T know the story, hear or see first hand of what has happened, is happening.

    Nobody has a problem with peoples opinion with what they know. The problem becomes when people don’t or won’t listen to everything. That is all the Release group wants and is about… to have a place to have every possible fact so everyone can make a honest, factual opinion. Not just what one person wants people to know.
    How wrong is that? Just because what we know ( after searching for info for months) makes us believe Ms Rogier is not the right owner for a dog with issues, don’t make us haters, don’t mean Ms. Rogier is a bad person etc.
    We are entitled to our opinion just as anyone else. We don’t tell people how to feel , what to think or what to do.

    We haven’t deleted posts ( except one that was bad for both sides… he was an idiot) the other posts that were deleted was by FB or the poster themselves ( from your group). All posts are there for people to read. Whereas in your group.. almost all posts/ threads are deleted. So what if it is a “support group” to you all NOW… the title is SAVE BRINDI FROM HALIFAX (something to that effect ) says NOTHING about supporting Ms. Rogier. Why can’t people ask questions there to make an informed desicion?

    So before you accuse people or a group of hating etc. maybe you should re-read your posts and look at what REALLY has been happening.

  101. Misty Blue wrote
    We can only go by what we read because we are not there to see or hear differently.

    Exactly and that is the problem only half of what is done is posted the hiding behind private messages and mass emails that should not be and should be brought to the forefront
    on both groups although I have seen none of that in release brindi if it was happening I would like to see it also
    Telling people to write email after email like it is going to change the outcome. False statements, fake accounts to start trouble and then leave and delete the account
    I honestly believe Lara was set up

    Esther good for you
    I have not seen you in either group. When that mass email went out by the ADMIN of save brindi it made me sick
    The only one that I saw was the lady that had the deport the bitch comment she apologized. Me if I had of said it the way this woman was treated I
    would honestly tell them all to go to hell
    Why did the ADMIN not apologize is she above everyone else just a thought.
    The owners and ADMINS need to be held accountable. I am not sure if Miss Rogier owns or is in charge of the save brindi group. If she is I would straighten this mess out
    and demand an apology for these people
    This is rehashed over and over again. Miss Mitchell is marked for that. That is wrong. So many of the members have lashed out and I have seen it
    Members that should have been banned from save brindi were not and the saga continued. I saw innocent people banned for asking a question
    The questions disappeared with the member. They wonder why people needed to form Release Brindi that would be it
    If they answered the questions and they were good honest questions then it may be different
    The pictures are in the release brindi group. If I did not see some of these comments myself I would have said they were fake but I did see them
    I took people off my friends list for such trash. I read the comments on their profiles Shame on Them all
    I am glad I never posted in the save brindi group therefore I think when I left no one noticed or cared and I may be able to dodge my name being spread

    I live a quiet life and try not to speak out. I am remaining neutral and hope the judge makes her decision based on the facts
    Not all the dribble and useless cat fighting that as far as I can see is coming from members of save brindi
    unless I see concrete proof of different my mind can not be changed on how I feel about these groups.
    Don’t bother replying without proof and your snide accusations unless it is full proof it is useless dribble
    Thank you

  102. If you go to http://www.facebook.com and search out Save Brindi, you will soon discover it is nothing but a bunch of internet trolls with nothing better to do with their time other than harass, bother and annoying their cross border friends who know the entire situation and truth.

    Would the little cross border troll named Caroyln Elliaus please go back to her bridge or cage and buzz off please? I guess she does not have to worry about walking her dog down her road and having brindi run out and attack it, maybe that would show her.

  103. What really gets me is all the “come from away” people that are experts on the Canadian system;case in mind is Carolyn/Carrie Elisius. She complaining that some people has 2 ID’s,isn’t that the kettle calling the pot black?
    Ms Rogier has blamed everyone in HRM AC and the SPCA for her problems its to bad that she wouldn’t look in the mirror to see the real problem,why would anyone take a dog with problems before she had proper living conditions is beyond me.
    She violated HRM’s by laws at least 4 times but its not her fault,at least in her mind,come on Fran give your head a shake and admit that you cannot control Brindi.
    I would think that the right thing to do for Brindi now is for her to beg HRM,The Courts to release Brindi to a responsible dog owner outside of HRM or even N.S. and move on.
    Ms. Rogier is losing support on a daily basis,even from her family, she admitted that on her blog,at present she is kicking a dead horse.
    Several people on Ms. Rogiers group are acting like cult leaders,by trying to brain wash the other followers,well this is one person that refuses to be brain washed.
    RELEASE BRINDI TO ANYONE BUT MS ROGIER.

  104. I forgot to add to my post that nowhere did anyone say to contact mass people or did you ever get mail from release brindi suggesting to do anythingof the sort. I was free to read , lurk and never saw anyone being bothered until again the save brindi crew came over and left their mark. They acted like territorial dogs having to have their pee everywhere.
    Thank you

    What ever happens happens I just hope Brindi is the winner

  105. Pinkydo…she said ” So you and the rest of the bullies in SAVE BRINDI can try to bring it on ” In my book, that means that she is saying “you as a bully, and the rest of the bullys” can try to bring it on.
    But that was a nice try to make me see it your way, but it didn’t work….I’m sorry.

    I basically have nothing against what your group is trying to do….obviously, our groups don’t agree, so what? I have never gone into your group and started trouble. But I will not take the blame for what other people are doing…period ! I am comfortable in saying that my choice would be to have Brindi go back to her owner. I am not getting all bent out of shape about it. And I am also comfortable is saying that from what I have read on the Release group, it gives me the opinion that some of you are haters. What I am seeing…and yes, this is my opinion, is that if people don’t agree with the Release group, then they think we don’t know what we are talking about. I read in an earlier post here that: “Release Brindi but not to her owner’ is a compassionate group who is capable of seeing all sides and forming an intelligent opinion.” As far as I can see some of the members or mods are very good at attacking people and making threats to close the group down or to charge people with slander. That’s really compassionate !

    Look…I don’t want to argue with you, because from what I have read on the Release group, and from some of the stuff I read here, you will not change my mind. We all have a right to our opinions. And I am not attacking you with this. I know that I don’t know everything about this case, no one does, but I too have done my homework and have talked to some people in government, so I am not completely in the dark about the case.

    The reason we are here, is to save Brindi from being put to death. Wherever she lives after that, is up to the HRM and Peter Kelly. We can complain to all the branches of government, and to anyone who will listen to us….but it’s not us that makes that final decicion.
    It’s too bad that we can’t just live and let live and see what the outcome is.

  106. It is still about “Brindi” – or is this mistaken ?

    Did Francesca Rogier really know which kind of “issues” Brindi is facing ?

    By reading Silvia Jay’s Assessment – aren’t these issues signs from kennel-stress ?
    Silvia’s opinion would be most valuable !

    Brindi stayed for two years in the Celtic-Pets-Kennel (we all saw the pictures in the news) – not socialized, not trained, NOT SPAYED !!! surrounded by other dogs…

    The Adoption Application has to be filled out “honestly” – what about the information from the rescue-shelter ?

    The animals from “Celtic Pets” were called ” victims of horrible neglect” !
    When the recall is right, complaints against CP went back as far as January 2006….

    OMG, Brindi !!!

    Maybe Ms. Rogier should ask the Celtic-Pets-Shelter-Owner why she did not receive proper guidance ?

    Could Ms. Rogier not sign some kind of “Interim Order” to release Brindi to a Foster/Rescue till the Court-Decision ?
    Time for Brindi to stress-out! Time for Ms. Rogier to think it over!

  107. I am really worried about Brindi being in a shelter for this long. Wouldn’t that harm her? I think the SPCA are treating her very well, but it worries me that Brindi might get so used to being in a kennel, that she will have a problem socializing with people. Could this happen ?

  108. Brindi is doing fine at the shelter… she is showing no signs of kennel stress and is still very friendly , happy with people. While it isn’t good to have a dog in that stituation for long periods of time, Brindi is doing well. From what I saw and know from others there, Brindi will have no problem socializing with the proper training with other dogs.

    As for Celtic Pets…. well need ANYONE say more. As for fostering out etc in the interm… no. The HRM / shelter would be responsible legally if something were to happen. Also, with Ms. Rogiers INSISTANCE on seeing Brindi the way she has, no rescue / foster will take her to bare the brunt of Ms. Rogier or her ” supporters”. Look at what they do to others. Next thing she will be saying the foster / resuce are abusing Brindi like she said the shelter was.

  109. Pinkydo

    Brindi is doing fine at the shelter… she is showing no signs of kennel stress and is still very friendly , happy with people. While it isn’t good to have a dog in that stituation for long periods of time, Brindi is doing well. From what I saw and know from others there, Brindi will have no problem socializing with the proper training with other dogs.

    Thank you for letting me know…I do appreciate it.

  110. I keep reading more and more, digging in a little deeper each time into every corner and side to this entire case, story, and soap box.

    It does appear to me that Ms. Rogier is nothing but a bully herself, trying to slam people around with her meaningless threats. If you say black and she thinks white, she will attack you in anyway shape or form as she has done to numerous people, political figures, court employees and it just keeps going and going.

    She has caused a lot of drama in the pet loving world in Nova Scotia, and she should be held accountable for her actions. I hope that everyone will withdraw their support for anything regarding this case and leave her in the mess she created herself.

    Its time for everyone to kiss and make up and just leave Ms. Rogier on her own. It is time that the animal lovers come back together as one, and leave this foolish woman to fight her own battles on her own.

    She has taken a lot of people and put them on one side of the fense or the other and it is very sad. I say everyone just leave her alone, let her fight her own mess and stop doing all her dirty laundry for her. Let the true animal lovers come together, shine, and take on another task with some actual benefit to animals.

    It is time everyone moves on and leaves this old crab on the beach for the gulls.

  111. I keep reading more and more, digging in a little deeper each time into every corner and side to this entire case, story, and soap box.

    It does appear to me that Ms. Rogier is nothing but a bully herself, trying to slam people around with her meaningless threats. If you say black and she thinks white, she will attack you in anyway shape or form as she has done to numerous people, political figures, court employees and it just keeps going and going.

    She has caused a lot of drama in the pet loving world in Nova Scotia, and she should be held accountable for her actions. I hope that everyone will withdraw their support for anything regarding this case and leave her in the mess she created herself.

    Its time for everyone to kiss and make up and just leave Ms. Rogier on her own. It is time that the animal lovers come back together as one, and leave this foolish woman to fight her own battles on her own.

    She has taken a lot of people and put them on one side of the fense or the other and it is very sad. I say everyone just leave her alone, let her fight her own mess and stop doing all her dirty laundry for her. Let the true animal lovers come together, shine, and take on another task with some actual benefit to animals.

    It is time everyone moves on and leaves this old crab on the beach for the gulls.

  112. who is being hateful now??
    “pinkydo
    YOUR TWISTED REPLY!Shows your mental capacity.
    Ok…. sounds good… EVERYONE, FORGET THIS DOG and her owner. withdraw all support for either of them. We are all tired and think there is much better things to do. Nobody cares ( esp lover not hater) about this dog… even said so.
    You don’t know me & I’m glad I don’t know you, but I have a good guess as to your real identity.
    HaHaHa…..
    I never once said forget this dog & her owner & withdraw all support!!!

    That’s your twisting words, Not Mine!!
    Apparently”You”don’t know the legal system!
    To state this….is so dumb.
    ( they are paid by the taxpayers no matter what case they are handling). They are NOT paid more because of this case.
    I do know my taxes are being used , (as is every other person in the HRM)
    to pay the procecuter’s wages.I do know he is contracted to handle cases by the HRM!
    I NEVER implied my taxes were used “especially” for this case, But they are being used ,specifically to procecute this woman to be able to kill her dog! WHICH I DO NOT AGREE WITH!
    Don’t worry, my feathers are intact& my nerves are fine
    I have no fear of blood clots.lol
    I don’t need a break,just got refreshed, to tackle some stupid ,twisted lies. Thankyou

    You said it right here though.
    I’ll quote chosen words just like you.

    “Yes Brindi should go to her rightful owner…. someone who can PROPERLY take care of Brindi..
    Thankyou, so much!! That’s very nice of you to support FR getting Brindi back with her.

    By the way pinkydodo,I have no bosses.FR had NEVER& NEVER will lose her rights to this dog! Sorry to disappoint you!
    You and your flock will know when Brindi is returned to her. LOL

    Don’t state porr Brindi,you have no idea what you people are trying to do.
    The city wants her dead!!!
    There is no offer to rehome her.
    You people made this option up.
    What part of the lawyers comments can’t you read?
    Oh,sorry, I see reading and comprehension, is beyond your scope of intelligent thinking.
    Have a nice day.

    Posted by lover not hater on March 10, 2009 at 1:20 PM |

  113. Wow pinkydo… they complain about other people being nasty. Real nice this hater not lover… oops I mean lover not hater.

    The procecuters are paid ON SALARY not by the case so we would be paying them ANYWAY. I pay those taxes too so do the other people in my family.

    If someone don’t like that the taxpayers money is paying for this… tell this owner to submit a plea and sign a waiver so Brindi can be put into a rescue then trained the way she should be and then adopted out to a person , family that is RESPONSIBLE. Not to this owner who has failed at least 4 times so far. I for one do not want an ” accident”
    to happen again.

  114. This was posted by ‘lover not hater’

    By the way pinkydodo,I have no bosses.FR had NEVER& NEVER will lose her rights to this dog! Sorry to disappoint you!
    You and your flock will know when Brindi is returned to her. LOL

    We sure will! Only difference IS the Release Brindi group wants Brindi to be alive! If Fran gets her back it will be a body only. It breaks my heart to see this happening.

  115. I am sorry “Lover not Hater” I am in neither group. I have read the articles , watched TV and have followed the case by Rogier’s blogs and everyone’s posts on the internet.
    There is no way in hell a judge is going to release a dog with issues to a owner with lack of control over what her dog does. This is not the dogs fault it is owner neglect. The dog is suffering plain and simple
    The video mocking HRM and that’s all it was Brindi is coming home was uncalled for until if and when Rogier had Brindi home. Rogier should have known the battle was not over.

    People are feeding this dear woman the wrong advice and she is a follower You can fight back and forth all day nothing is bringing this dog home.

    The dog is not neglected at the SPCA, I read the report. Halifax has no more control over this dog I called the mayor’s office.

    I called the P.P office too. It is in the courts. German bank account no doubt because you do not have to claim it through Revenue Canada ? I called and asked. Who cares? Oh by the way the P.P. ‘s office shredded your mail no doubt no one cares.

    Wake up people read the headlines

    Rogier I am one that hopes your dog does not go home to you. It is not fair for you to expect your neighbours to have to worry daily over this

    You have emailed everyone but Mother Earth and Guess what she does not care.

    I love dogs, worked with rescues, trained hard dog cases worse then Brindi. None got loose, None of them had an opportunity to get loose and

    Guess what the Canadian dream is not all that and more for you. You think our legal system is weird then go to hell home where ever that may be

    I am sorry I am tired of your trivial bull shit. Rogier when will it stop. If Brindi comes home will you be backing off. No you will be suing Halifax. I for one do not want my tax dollars to go towards this but guess what I have no choice so I don’t complain

    I can not wait until June 6, and I don’t have to hear anymore pity me. No wonder nobody wants to interviewyou, You are a few crackers short of a box

  116. Yep the Canadian legal system is weird,my dog only escaped 4 times,my house is falling apart,my lawyer quit,if anyone disagrees with me I will stomp my feet,AC didn’t do any investigation.My dod attacked another dog but it was in the ditch,My dog did not cause any serious injuries.The SPCA is mean to my dog,don’t walk him,the SPCA won’t let me see my dog.

    I think Ms. Rogier wrote the book on excuses,The lady is NUTS,totally off her rocker,and deserves no help or support what so ever.
    New we have to try to Save Brindi from ever being returned to her,if she needs a pet I would only be to happy to supply a gold fish.Surely She can take care of that.

  117. I have followed this story with interest, and was looking forward to seeing what Coast readers think of Ms. Rogier and her case. Unfortunately, it seems like the comments have been hijacked by members of both the Pro-Francesca and Anti-Francesca factions. I respectfully suggest that you could move your “debate” back to your Facebook groups. Is there anyone out there without a vested interest in this story? I am interested to hear YOUR comments.

  118. I have a vested interest in this story thats why I posted I am neither for Rogier or against her.
    I don’t believe it is fair to allow this dog to go back to that neighborhood. I believe that this dog should have the chance to live some where where there is no chance of her biting another dog

  119. Larry,

    I think you are on the right track, as most people are not. You seem to realise the more realistic factors than the fiction. Thank you for your non biased oppinon.

    Thank you,

    Melissa

  120. Hi, Pinkydo, I have 1 question I would like to ask,if you don’t mind,as I am concerned as to the well being of Brindi.I own 2 dogs and know that my dogs would be nuts by now,If I was ever able to get them in a cage. She’s been there for this long now.Plus she was able to run free on the reserve.
    How do you know she has no signs of stress and is doing good? Maybe she’de be happy to see anyone, who pays a bit of attention to her at this point.

  121. a.v.a…. I don’t mind questions.
    Yes Brindi was on a reserve without any care. Then she was taken and put in a shelter.. not a good one ( in latter time) for 2 yrs.She would have been adopted before if they had done their job properly ( but that’s a whole different story).

    Brindi is assessed weekly ( or more if needed) on her health and well being. She is walked, played with and stimulated daily ( many times). She shows no signs of kennel stress and her personality is wonderful. As much training is done as possible in a shelter so more PROFFESSIONAL behavior training will be needed for the issues she is in there for later ( as soon as she can be hopefully re-homed). She shows no aggression or reaction to the other dogs in the shelter. Brindi’s problem in outside on ” her” property.
    Brindi is watched all the time for adverse problems and so far there is none.
    Having said this I will say, that even though the shelter is doing everything possible for this dog, no dog ( or any animal) should be kept like this for this long. Unfortunitly sometimes this is beyond the control of the shelter. If Brindi wasn’t involved in the case she is, she would have been fostered out into a home that is able to control and train her properly for these issues. But because of this case she has to be where she is. Sadly.

  122. I am not a dog lover, so of course I am going to be bias. But, I see a owner who doesn’t keep her dog in check, and yes, the mutt didn’t hurt a human, but it will escalate. So the dog is a danger.
    Like what is it, hard to get a muzzle strip on a dog, and all will be better. People with dogs, make sure your dogs are properly taken care of.

  123. “The city wants to kill Francesca Rogier’s dog. But with a pack of supporters and a court judgment on her side, Rogier refuses to roll over for the bureaucrats.”

    Hogwash. The ” pack of supporters” are mostly from outside this province and country. Like they will make a difference. This owner refuses to save her dog. The city will not allow poor Brindi back with an irresponsible owner. They can’t take the chance. She has proven she isn’t a responsible owner and why should Brindi and other dogs suffer because FR won’t do what is right. Admit she can not be responsible for this dog who needs special attention due to improper ownership from past and present owners. Boggles my mind how ANYONE can think for one second she truely is a good owner for Brindi. The more I find out the more I will fight to see she is re-homed AWAY from FR and her so called supporters.

  124. All because of a bunch of selfish, self-righteous internet hacks and trolls who are too stubborn or to blind to admit they are ignorant.

    Well for one thing I am not ignorant. I am not selfish or a self-righteous internet hack. And I am not a troll. Just because I joined the group and even though I have never posted in it or did any mass mailing or phone calling, I am hoping that I am not being included in those horrible names you are calling. You said that you were tired of this back and forth tennis match, but you just started the ball rolling again. No one has argued since Tuesday afternoon, but you just have to keep it up. Why are you continuing to say nasty things and arguing? Why can’t you just let it go….after all, that would be the compassionate thing to do.

  125. Pinkydo, I would rather see Brindi re-homed than
    to be put down. The poor dog doesn’t deserve that.

  126. Lets have a public meeting and ask the people of East Chezzacook how many of us want Brindi back in our community
    Francesca Rogier I live in East Chezzacook and I for one do not want this dog in my community any more then I want a sex offender
    I want the streets to feel safe where my father can walk his dog in peace. You have proven you are unfit to keep this dog under control.
    So never mind the groups never mind the fights.
    Never mind the writing of the letters to mayor and other people
    Lets ask the people that will have to live with this dog day after day.
    Brindi I do not put down but I do not want her back in the community either.
    I am sick and tired of your actions and constant whining.
    I would like for you to go door to door ask us to sign a petition.
    I am sure 99 % you being the 1 % do not want this dog here
    WE DO NOT FEEL SAFE PLAIN AND SIMPLE
    So go door to door and when you come to my door, I will tell you what I truly think face to face.
    I will not hide behind newspapers, groups, the internet. I will tell you face to face
    Are you scared to go door to door and ask us Francesca Rogier. I would be interested to hear from you on this subject. I also encourage other members of our community to speak up.

    Lisa

    Now lets all grow up and let the people that should have a say have it

  128. Ok, now I can honestly say I AM SHOCKED!!!

    I know alot of people there and they don’t want FR to have Brindi there. So that will be very interesting to have their say on paper. Wonder how FR will handle that?

  129. Being from this area, no reporter has ever asked us what we want. So I am glad people want to hear.
    I don’t blame Brindi for her issues. I blame all the people who have been in her life including Ms. Rogier. I have read everything she has posted about what happened with these ” minor” incidents. SOME of what she says is true but alot isn’t. She has down played what her role is in all of this. I have been in her group as a member and frankly what she tells people in there is amazing. It is all spoke as if she is the victim. That she is being singled out. That is further from the truth. Watching her with Brindi shows she don’t know what she is doing. She really don’t understand dog behavior nor will she any time soon. I have watched her in her group con people into believing what she wants. So many do because THEY ARE NOT HERE.
    I for one ( a resident of Chezz ) do not want Ms. Rogier to have Brindi back. She is NOT responsible enough and can’t be trusted enough to do what is right. As such if Brindi was to be returned to her, it will happen again. This time it won’t be so ” minor”. People are ready to shoot this dog. All because of Ms. Rogier.

    We don’t want this dog dead but we have to protect our pets. We would be happy with Brindi being re-homed OUTSIDE of this area and hopefully nowhere that Ms. Rogier will know. From how she conducts herself, if she were to know where Brindi is, those people will never have any peace. I hope and pray Brindi does manage to live but fear Ms. Rogier’s personality will not allow this to happen. I hope I am wrong.

    Before anyone attacks me, I am NOT in any group. I don’t support any group. I was there to read and see all what was being said. Sad when people want help and support but are not honest. You hear that Ms. Rogier???

  130. It is nice to finally hear from the neighbors who this directly involves. Good for you, it is time to stand up and be heard. You have every right to voice your opinion, this is your home and you should be able to freely go where and when you wish without being afraid of an attack on your pets.

  131. Ok ,This is getting a bit too much!
    People claiming they live there, which is not the true.
    If you lived there, you would definately know how to spell it & also the abbrivation for the place you live.
    What is the point of this?
    This is for commenting on a story
    not a liars den.

    Lisamarie, How can you say you live there? You spelled it wrong TWICE.
    It’s spelled “East Chezzetcook”

    And(chezzRez)
    (as a resident of Chezz)
    The short form for East Chezzetcook is “East Chezzet.BOJ 1NO”,
    not “chezz” as you wrote.

  132. postal worker.. ” Ok ,This is getting a bit too much!
    People claiming they live there, which is not the true.
    If you lived there, you would definately know how to spell it & also the abbrivation for the place you live.”

    Since when does it matter on the net in a post what a person uses to abreviate where they live. I am sure if ChezzRez wants to use it he / she can.

    Don’t make their story any more or less real.

  133. I agree with the most here…my dog has been in a group setting before and low and behold…got into a fight with another dog…did I ever take her back into such a setting- NO…she’s a good dog, not perfect, but good, and I monitor her accordingly. If I for any reason ever received a warning from the SPCA, be certain that I love her enough to abide with whatever restrictions are given to ensure she isn’t taken away…

  134. My goodness postal worker, they weren’t trying to mail a letter. Who signs something with a proper address and postal code unless they are planning on mailing it? Are all bad spellers liars?
    Your correcting someone’s spelling is a bit of a give away especially with the ‘capital letters’, this is a well known tactic from the ‘good group’ better known as Save Brindi, who by the way never attack others. NOT TRUE!

  135. O.M.G.! I would love to see what you would have to say if you have children & they got away from you, didn’t cause any real harm, but were taken away without notice by the authorities – and locked up without visitation rights! What about parents who leave their children at the toys in the store while they shop – is that responsible? If someone stole them, should the children be taken away & never given back? It is so very easy to say hurtful things that are not true about others just because you want to be nasty. Can you REALLY cast the first stone? This dog is not vicious! A vicious dog will NOT break off an attack. Brindi broke her attack. Not only did she never bite a human, all the kids in the area like Brindi a lot and feel safe around her – unlike the the little dog down the road that bit a few of them. Have you ever been afraid of anything? If you have you may or may not know fear can be overcome. Believe me if I thought for one second that returning Brindi was wrong, I would be the first to say so. Tell me, all of you who want the dog murdered or not returned, where were you when Brindi was rescued & waited for two years to find a forever home? Did you ever look at her ad & think you might want her? Well there is one person & only ONE person that thought enough of the dog to take her home & that was Francesca Rogier. And guess what? Brindi was already gentle from the start, but Francesca still spent months training her to obey all sorts of commands, and it worked out well for the most part. When things didn’t go just so, unlike so many others, she did not throw her dog away, but kept training her and loving her. If you want to grouse, talk about people who abandon dogs/pups on the side of the road, in the middle of the road, or drown dogs because they are too lazy to train them! This owner kept her dog & was doing her very best. If you can do so much better, why didn’t you adopt Brindi? Dogs forgive – all I can say is give me an animal over most humans!!!

  136. Well ! My oh My, for all you people who attact me for using proper grammar and spelling,I can tell you I belong to no group!I most surely, do not want to be a part of any of your groups.
    I was merely reading this story and the comments. It is very obvious, they do not live there. It doesn’t take a brian surgeon to see that.

    The comments are by the same few people.Whojump on anyone who says anything ,you don’t like or agree with. Seems to be a vedetta against this woman and her dog,for God knows what reason.

    Clara, I figure,if someone lives in say Chezzetcook,Halifax, Dartmouth, surely, they should know ,how to spell where they live, correctly.Not just for mailing, it’s just natural to write where you live,properly.

    From Lisamarie
    “Lets have a public meeting and ask the people of East Chezzacook”
    “Francesca Rogier I live in East Chezzacook”
    This is not even a typo,this is no where close to being spelled correctly.

  137. Postal,

    From my experience people tend to use spell check and
    spell check unfortunately gives you odd spellings for places. I have that problem with my home town which is not Chezzecook or how ever it is spelled. If I do not catch it I have had emails go through that way. So that could have just been a spell check error. Were the people from Chezzecook asked if they feel safe with this dog in their neighborhood? That is a good Question.As for the slang spelling I am from the highlands of Cape Breton and we have all kinds of different slang for Cape Breton so just because you are a postal worker does not honestly make you an authority on that.
    I am sorry Postal.
    An Example
    Baddeck spell checked is
    Bedeck
    Braddock
    Bad deck
    Bedecks

  138. I think postal, before you start SPELL CHECKING people you should do it yourself.

    ” It doesn’t take a brian surgeon to see that.”

    Shouldn’t that be ” It doesn’t take a BRAIN surgeon to see that.”

  139. Anyone can come here and say anything they want..especially if they want to
    make someone ‘look bad’. Just because you type it, doesn’t make it true.

    As soon as a poster responds in favour of Francesca,
    suddenly there are individuals making fake accusations about the posters…etc

    then you have the ‘uneducated’ people who auto matically say, ‘put the dog down’… those replies, I cant be bothered reading
    because they scream UNEDUCATED from the get go.

    In defence of Francesca, NO I AM NOT HER, I have followed her story,
    I have read some articles online and I have spoken to her, through e-mail
    and have asked her how can I help her, she NEVER once asked me to ‘bother’ any city officials.

    The sense I got from her was that she needs some supporters but in no way did she want anyone bothered.

    So to the posters who made fake claims, seriously get yourself a life.

    I find it so amazing that this situation has come to this,
    yet I am NOT surprised. THE PROBLEM truly lies in with the SPCA and the
    City Bylaws and beaurocracy and LIES. Let this be someone else having to
    deal with all this and see how they feel, how they react,
    how they behave, BEFORE you judge Miss Francesca.

    SO many people are making claims of how dangerous this dog is to society,
    you must be joking me. You want to talk about danger,
    talk about the CRIMINALS, PEDIPHILES, RAPISTS, MURDERERS,who walk our downtown streets DAILY.
    and let’s not forget about THE CROOKS WHO RUN THIS CITY, NO PROBLEM giving them a million changes, but oh dear God don’t let Francesca get her dog back.

    Also, how many times can you get caught drinking and driving before you lose your license? I know of a situation where a man got caught at least 10 times then still got drunk and got behind the wheel and killed two teenagers..IN NOVA SCOTIA

    dartmouthlady, and Angela get a grip, I think you have a personal vendetta,ask yourself why!!!!

    Personally I am sick to death of this city and it’s lies and the people
    who MISJUDGE someone and then throw fake accusations around to discredit her, it’s just plain SICK.

    Yes she made a few mistakes, the dog should NOT PAY the price….there
    should strict guidlines made to her for her to prepare her yard and home for this
    special needs dog as apposed to keeping the dog in a cage at the SPCA for this long.

    SHAME SHAME SHAME

    Did I mention shame?

    Angelina in Halifax.

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