Kyle Shaw: Not long after the global financial meltdown started last
September, Nova Scotia’s then-premier Rodney MacDonald announced that
he had formed an Economic Advisory Panel to help steer the province
through these troubled times. The names on his list were the usual
suspects of Nova Scotia business, representing the major companies
literally doing business as usual here. In other places, it was these
sorts of traditional pillars of the business community who are exactly
the kind of people who caused this global economic mess in the first
place, so at The Coast, we looked at the list and we laughed. “Of
course we could make a better Advisory Panel,” we said, so we put
together a well-rounded list of interesting thinkers as an
alternative.
With the election a couple of weeks ago giving premier Darrell
Dexter an unprecedented NDP majority and an unprecedented mandate to
govern differently, we figured this is the time for our panel of people
who think differently. This new government is in a position to take
these concerns and perspectives seriously, so let’s give it to
them.
But first, I want to figure out where we are right now. What does
the global meltdown mean to us? How bad is it for Nova Scotians right
now?
Angela Giles: Under the MacDonald government, privatization has been
continuing to occur in the health care system, with for example the
signing of the Scotian Surgery contract with Capital Health and also
the telecare contract that was recently announced—$20 million for a
“call-a-nurse”- type program. So, the public health care system as we
know it has basically been eroding.
Susanna Fuller: Lobster fishermen have been greatly affected by the
economic downturn, because their fishery is almost 99 percent export
oriented, and so there’s been a backlog of product. We can see
Clearwater, who almost faced bankruptcy and had to be bailed out for
$10 million by the Nova Scotia government, because of its leveraging by
foreign banks.
Ron Colman: The big flaw that I see presently is that everyone is
talking about “stimulating” the economy so that we can somehow get back
to where we were, to this so-called “boom period.” There’s very little
recognition that there’s a relationship between the meltdown we’re
experiencing now and the nature of the boom period that proceeded it.
Everyone talks about “recovery,” as if we want to recover to where we
were. Where we were was ecologically unsustainable, but even
financially, a lot of that growth during the so-called boom period was
debt-fueled. We have to look at that whole picture more realistically
than current, conventional analysis has done.
Kyle Shaw: If we don’t want to recover, where do we want to go? What
do we want to do?
Dan Roscoe: Specifically on the energy side, we are still in a very
dire position here in Nova Scotia, as we import the vast majority of
our energy, despite having tremendous renewable energy resources from
all types imaginable—wind, biomass, wave, tidal. We feel that there’s
a tremendous potential there to repatriate our energy supply, to bring
it home. Right now, we spend 10 cents or 12 cents on a kilowatt hour,
eight or nine cents of that leaves the province and goes somewhere
else, but we could be turning that into jobs and manufacturing in
renewable energy products and installations, insulating all of our
homes and making them more efficient. And that will not only solve our
energy crisis but also help stimulate our economy.
Kyle Shaw: So what’s the first step for Darrell Dexter to start
repatriating our energy supply?
Dan Roscoe: We need a new definition of cost when it comes to
energy. Right now we have a very narrow definition of cost—it’s a
kilowatt hour today; it doesn’t matter what the source is or where it’s
coming from, or the emissions associated with it, the cheapest kilowatt
hour is the best. We have this mantra that renewable energy costs more,
but we need to come to the reality that our status quo, when it comes
to energy, is going to be by far the most expensive. Oil is going to
continue to skyrocket in the long-term, and so will natural gas and
coal. We need Darrell Dexter to take the leadership to recognize that
there is value from fixed costs from renewable energy and from local
supply that generates local economic activity.
Susanna Fuller: It’s an exciting time, also a bit of a scary time.
If we can really figure out how to recount things as well, in terms of
what we need in terms of the economy, and get the public to support
that, then we have a real chance of doing it.
Kyle Shaw: How much time do we have?
Ron Colman: Ten years, max. I’ve done nothing but look at statistics
for the last 13 years, and I think that we have a very narrow and
increasingly small window of opportunity. If we have business as usual
for the next 10 years, then it will be too late to reverse certain
things which will lead to an inevitable decline in global prosperity.
We have a very small window of opportunity.
Patricia Bishop: With agriculture, we really need to figure out how
we can get farmers a higher return for their product, that will cover
their costs, and take into consideration the debt loads and the actual
cost of production, which right now is causing a really big challenge.
It comes back to what we were talking about with fuel, too—we have a
cheap food policy in Canada, and so until we start realizing that there
is a real cost to produce good, local healthy food, and we’re willing
to pay for that, then we’re going to continue to see farmers get out of
business. We need the government step in and say, “OK, food security in
this province is a critical part of what we need to do here, so we’re
going to invest in and create a better system.
Tony Tracy: I look at apples and t-shirts. Apples: in Aldershot, in
the Annapolis Valley, home of the best apples in the world, and a kid
on the base opens up his lunch bucket, picks up the apple, and it’s a
New Zealand apple, purchased by the federal government. T-shirts:
During the Democracy 250 celebration, the provincial government ordered
t-shirts made in China, when we have a textile industry in Canada, here
at home. We need to look at procurement issues in a very serious
way.
Dan Roscoe: I’ll add another one to those. The new farmers’ market,
which has just started construction last week, is going to have
imported solar panels on it, despite the fact that we’ve made
world-class solar panels in Dartmouth for 27 years now. A building
that’s committed to buying local wasn’t able to have locally sourced
supply—so you can add solar panels to your t-shirts and apples.
Ron Colman: The key thing is that the full costs of imported food is
not included. We don’t have to go down the protectionist route, it’s
just that the cost of transportation and use of energy and greenhouse
gas emissions are omitted from the actual price of the product. We have
to be able to bring those true costs into the accounting system; we
have to have an accounting system that includes social and
environmental benefits and costs—without that, nothing’s going to
change.
I want to come back to a second to the beginning of this. I’m not
sure that what we want to look at is called “recovery.” I think we’re
talking about a restructuring of the economic system and it won’t look
the same—it can’t look the same. I’ve got a quote here from George
Monbiot, who says, “Climate breakdown, peak oil and resource depletion
will all dwarf the current financial crisis, in both financial and
humanitarian terms.” So unless we start thinking long-term, this
current economic meltdown is going to seem like very small
potatoes.
Dan Roscoe: Addressing those issues, though, will employ people. It
will put people back to work, it will give people security—all those
short-term things that people are looking for.
Ron Colman: There are very creative solutions that are not nearly
sufficiently looked at. The current solution that is being touted, and
I hate to say it, but from right to left, across the whole political
spectrum, is economic stimulus. But it was debt-fueled growth that led
us into the mess, and now, as a solution, debt-fueled growth is being
promoted as the solution. This was the problem. So now we’re going to
go deeper into debt, who’s going to pay the debt? Our children, and our
children’s children, both in financial and environmental terms.
There are other ways to avoid unemployment, aside from simply
restimulating the economy. I think we have to learn how to shrink the
economy creatively, and restructure it.
Tony Tracy: When workers receive employment insurance, much like
workers who are receiving social assistance from the province—every
dime of what they receive goes into the local economy, in a very
serious way. Unlike corporate tax breaks, which the dollars quite often
are going out of province and going often times into Bermuda, and we
think of large employers—I won’t name Irving—who take their tax
breaks and literally ship them overseas into bank accounts that have no
taxes and so forth. The dollars that are spent on social programs, the
dollars that are spent on social services in terms of the provincial
model or employment insurance at the federal model, are spent in the
local economy—that’s economic stimulus in a real way.
Jeff Moore: It’s fundamental that we’ve got to get the NDP
government to stand up to the mindless and heartless deregulation of
Stockwell Day and the Harper government. It’s just crazy that we would
continue to pursue that road when that’s led us to this disastrous
economic meltdown.
Susanna Fuller: I don’t know if we’re looking at enough. My mother
worked in health care, and she struggled a lot, just getting enough
money to keep the home care system operating, which is much, much
cheaper than having people come into the hospital. So things like
midwives or homecare, where you’re actually giving people care in their
home, so you’re not having the high cost of infrastructure for every
single patient, make a huge amount of sense from an economic
perspective, and are a shift in attitude. A lot of things we can move
forward on don’t necessarily need economic stimulus. They need a
stimulus of intelligence—an attitude change—-to make them happen.
They need to cut the status quo, and stop the relationships that exist
between certain governments and corporate entities—those have to stop
and change.
That’s one thing that has to change, and the other thing is how we
get around. One way to make it so we can actually work a four-day
workweek is to not have a car—cars cost a lot of money. How do we get
from point A to point B? Is the government investing much in public
transit or active transportation, so that people can afford to earn a
bit less, which is ultimately what we’re going to have to do. But we
don’t have the systems or the infrastructure in place to do that
comfortably—we feel that pain if we have to give up our car. We’re
not investing in those things that will help us transition, and I think
that is the real challenge for this government, if they can do it, is
to build that transition to an economy that’s environmentally and
socially respectful. And it will take some courage, and some real
breaking of relationships. Like you said, a lot of this doesn’t have to
cost a lot of money, it’s just a shift in how we think.
Ron Colman: There’s a huge opportunity. During a boom period, nobody
wants to change anything, everyone’s just riding high on the hog. But
it’s at a moment like this when people are maybe more open to
change.
I think, Susanna, you put your finger on the critical word, when you
said “courage.” The real question is, Will this new government have the
courage to do more than tinker? In other words, to really take some
serious steps. We have everything it takes, in terms of a wonderful
province, creative people, we actually have a Genuine Progress Index
ready to use, that is a full cost accounting system that’s ready to be
applied—we could implement all of this—but it takes courage,
because then we have to say to Stockwell Day, “Sorry, according to our
accounting system, it’s cheaper to buy local, because we’re taking full
costs into account. Take us to the World Trade Organization
panel—we’ll fight it because we’ve got our accounting system.”
But it takes courage.
The Coast’s economic advisory panel
Jeff Moore
Founder and CEO of Just Us! Coffee Roasters, Canada’s first fair trade coffee roaster.
Ron Colman
Founder and executive director of GPI Atlantic. GPI is Genuine Progress Index, which is an effort to measure our progress more holistically in a way that integrates social, economic and environmental perspectives.
Susanna Fuller
Marine coordinator at the Ecology Action Centre.
Dan Roscoe
Chief operating officer at Scotian Windfields, a community-based developer of renewable energy products.
Angela Giles
Atlantic Region coordinator for the Council of Canadians, and also representing the board for the Nova Scotia Citizens’ Health Care Network.
Tony Tracy
Atlantic Regional representative for the Canadian Labour Congress, which represents three and a half million workers from coast to coast.
Patricia Bishop
A family farmer in the Annapolis Valley, owner of Taproot Farms and with the King’s County Federation of Agriculture, representing farmers in King’s County.
Kyle Shaw
Editor and co-founder of The Coast, and moderator for our Economic Advisory Panel.
This article appears in Jul 2-8, 2009.


The heartbeat of socialism in Nova Scotia…comment of the lot goes to Jeff Moore “mindless and heartless deregulation” what a classic!
After reading this I realise that the answer to improving our economy is higher prices for electricity, higher prices for food and ‘shrink the economy creatively’.
And those nasty Irvings spending money on a refinery, spending money on an LNG terminal, building & repairing ships, planting trees, employing thousands of New Brunswickers – good god why would anyone want that ?
Put the video on youtube in the comedy section.
And I’m sick of the Irvings and McCains paying for nice buildings on university campuses, what bullshit
Yeah Yorkke, I agree. And don’t forget that filthy business magnate Izaak Walton Killam giving money to Dalhousie and the kids hospital and giving the government a truck load of money to start the Canada Council. Left all that dough ($150 million almost 50 years ago) for higher education and the arts, he must have been a crazy money mad fool to amass all that money then just give it all back to the community. God, I hate all the successful rich people. Like, why don’t they just give it all to government when they die. Christ, it’s a crazy world where the government doesn’t run everything. Look at all that great advice from those very experienced people listed at the end of the article. I mean, they sell coffee and food so they must know how to run a government.
You can either pay a little to transition away from your imported energy economy today, or you can pay a hell of a lot to transition away from it later. But either way, you’re gonna pay.
The first four responses to this article are a case in point of people not responding to things they don’t want to hear.
With respect to renewable energy, Dan Roscoe in particular articulated a very cogent argument in favour of moving to renewable energy despite its seemingly higher up front cost. Of course this are perfectly debatable, but it’s interesting to me that the three (anonymous) commenters didn’t even try to engage the issue, resorting instead to trite right-wing talking points.
This quality of public debate makes me fear for our future.
I find it amusing that Jeff Moore points his finger at both Harper and Stockwell Day (AKA Doris) for the “heartless deregulation”. Considering Day wasn’t in power long enough to do any real damage, I feel that a comment like that is more of a personal attack. Not to mention as well, the people who led us down this road are the Americans for not regulating their banking better, and the Canadian banks for over-exposing themselves to that credit-strong, but cash-poor market. That and banks lending $350K to people that have no jobs. I’d hate to admit it, but Harper and his predecessor has little to do with the current crisis, as much as I hate to defend them.
In regards to the renewable energy point, I agree, this province could do much better with respect to renewable energy, however, I think we cannot blame (as was the case of the Farmer’s Market) local builders not using locally produced building materials or solar panels for instance. Given that there were no figures given, one is left to assume that the solar panels built here are far more expensive than the ones that are produced in Dartmouth. Then Mr. Colman makes the incredibly stupid comment of “the boom was debt fueled”. Of course it was. If we left everything to cash, we’d be stuck in the recession that started in the earlier part of the decade and wouldn’t even be having this discussion because we wouldn’t have gone anywhere. For us to buy locally and use local is fine enough to say, but lets really take into consideration the market we’re looking at. If we consider the 3 Atlantic provinces, we approximately have a population around the 2 million mark (excluding NFLD). That’s a fair sized market, but in this day in age of globalization, for a company to have low costs and employ a serious workforce (thereby keeping a significant local workforce to funnel back into a local economy) you cannot support a market that small, because there is always a company that can do it for cheaper and faster and better. When we throw free trade into the mix (especially when it comes to the US and Canada) you can see why things are increasingly less local, at least around here.
Finally, Mr. Lachance, I respect your argument, however your suggestion of the anonymity of the other posters somehow does not lend to their arguments is petty. Some of us (myself included) work in workplaces that wouldn’t normally allow us to write what we do here. Or, as in the case of myself, I have a job where my reputation is extremely important, and therefore I need to protect that in every way possible. This allows me to make a quality public debate by allowing me to say what I feel. We all don’t live in some liberal fantasy land.
If the left didn’t have gloom and doom scenarios to talk about, would they have anything at all to say?
It goes way beyond that Krusty. This really isn’t a “left” vs. “right” argument. It’s about what is good for the province, which politics are involved in, but it’s not the entire issue.
Doctor,
Anonymity allows people to avoid being held accountable for what they say. I won’t deny that there are occasional legitimate reasons for this, but it’s also used by many as a license to say things that they’d probably be embarrassed to have attributed back to them… for good reason. I don’t think it’s coincidental that discussions where people are using their real names tend to be more civil and constructive (more of a forum and less of a shouting match).
Anyway, this topic is two deviations away from the subject of this article, so I’ll stop there. You can have the last word if you like.
Oh, good for you, Krusty. I love it when people who have legitimate concerns about the well-being of our future are shrugged off as purveyors of doom and gloom.
“Global warming? Ugh, that sounds unpleasant. Why do you have to be so negative? Let’s talk about something else. Look over there, it’s a shit-eating ostrich with its tax rebate check!”
William Lachance, I am resigned to higher energy costs. I have looked at energy prices in Europe and see how fortunate we are with cheap power. I have extensively researched the European market for electricity. EAC and others constantly talk about use of windmills etc but refuse to put cold hard facts in front of the public. The business of ‘renewables’ relies on massive subsidies direct and indirect ( the Germans have it down to a fine art with feed in tariffs) and is dressed up as being good for me and the earth. Unfortunately I have bills to pay and until people like you and the panellists have the balls to go public and lay out the cost of the new energy alternatives then I respectually suggest you lay off complaining about anonymous posts especially when people such as Dan Roscoe have failed to lay out the economic impact on Nova Scotia from any great shift to renewables. My guess is that power bills would double and the provincial treasury would be forking out subsidies by the tanker load. If the renewables are a serious option then I suggest they be treated like any other utility. My first post clearly sums up the panel where higher costs for food and energy are clearly laid out. I also posted the comment re shrinking the economy. In other words I summarised a rather useless discussion.
And then I was sarcastic; what would New Brunswick be without the Irving family – a basket case with thousands of people earning subsistence wages and never ending transfers from Ottawa.
In the great scheme of things Nova Scotia is a mere speck of sand. Why should anyone invest a nickel in the province ? Why are millions of tax dollars being poured into the new Farmers Market which will be underwater financially in very short order. It looks interesting but it looks like Clairtone for yuppies. A small chunk of that money could have been used to try and persuade Sobeys and Superstore to stock more local produce and save me a lazy day in the Valley ?
North Americans have lived very well off cheap resources, getting them to change 100 year habits takes a lot more than a fancifull discussion. Higher oil prices may be the answer but I fear we are so used to a certain lifestyle that any thought of real change is quickly pushed aside, and that applies to right and left. The good times are over, I don’t need anyone to tell me that. I just look around and see a high wage,high benefits, high pension, low cost services life as unsustainable. Don’t know many on the left or right who agree.
Do you ?
We need to transition from coal someday so why not today? Nova Scotians are afraid of their own shadows.
Great, a panel full of one sided socialists… that’s fair and balanced! Nothing like spending even more than the present 55% of our budget on health care dollars to get Nova Scotia going in the right direction… lol
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Since you think this panel represents a one-sided socialism, I’d suggest you go to Dalhousie and take a course on Marx, because this would be socialism with 6 cream and 3 sugar. Perhaps you want to leave Dartmouth and live in Alabama and vote for Scarah Palin in 2012, since you probably feel like you’re surrounded by a bunch of Reds.
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