This one goes out to Iran. I’m totally allied with that country, regardless of whether you’re developing Nuclear Arms or not. They have the courage to stand up to a world power like the United States, as well as facing down their Arch-Enemy, Israel (who is also equipped with nuclear weapons).
Very few people are on your side, and you’re hurting pretty badly. People are starving in the streets, your money is now worthless, and you’ve been slated as the new threat to world peace. That’s gotta hurt.
With all the sanctions in place against you and the combined hostility from the leading nations, it would be no surprise for you to get pissed enough to use Nukes. I imagine it being similar to poking a bear. Iran could possibly only be interested in peaceful uses for its nuclear power, but with everything going against them they now have plenty of reasons to go on the attack.
As far as I know they’ve been open with much of the information regarding their program (more open than Isreal or N.K.). The problem is their unwillingness to stop their development, to obey the US led IAEA. They have the right to develop nuclear energy, no questions asked.
I might sound like a conspiracy theorist, but this is just another USA led crusade in the Middle East to lock down oil supplies and help their best buddy Israel.
Iran is a great country. Well developed and independently capable. The world powers are breeding an environment of hostility against one of the better Middle Eastern states, nothing good can come from this. I can’t stand anymore of this politically led, oil seeking, religious undertones, bullying of a decent country just because they spit in the eye of the US. —Say NO to Pukes
This article appears in Feb 23-29, 2012.
If I knew you better or gave a fuck, I’d find this sad.
Oh for the love of fuck, we lived through the Iran / Iraq fuckfest fighting over whether it was an ‘N’ or a ‘Q’ ~ should have just called it IRA …. ooops, that wouldn’t work either …….. STOP listening to the US propoganda ….. ya do know these mo-fo’s are brainwashed dontcha?
Correction … they haven’t a brain to wash!
WHile there is no proof they are building a weapon, they are signatories on the non proliferation treaty & that treaty gives them the right to develope nuclear energy. SO I see nothing wrong withthem building electric plants & in supplying their own reactors with their home built nuclear fuel rods.
Another thing I want to point out is the USA is the only country in the world that has used nuclear weapons against another country . So anything they are saying I dismiss with a clear memory of Georgie Dubya Bush’s ‘Iraq Weapons of Mass destruction’ which is responsible for the mess that country is in. The USA are bullies & terrorists, & all you have to be is someone who lives in Iraq, Libya,Yemen, Pakistan,Afghanistan, Grenada,Vietnam, Somalia , countries that the USA are bombing regularly, yet they ignore atrocities in countries like Bahrain , Saudi Arabia, Israel because they are ‘friendly’ countries that happily take advantage of American protection of their little fiefdoms.
i smell donair meat
I was thinking the same thing, PG.
Since when is nuclear energy a “right”?
Give the “Big Fella” his credit. He could at least form a cogent argument. This sounds like a 13 year old who just read her first Naomi Klein book and hasn’t quite grasped the essence of “critical thinking”. The emphasis should be on the second word, not the first.
I agree with the option of a ‘nuclear deterrence’. That is, having a nuke so others won’t go to war with you, not so you can go to war with others. Iran having a nuclear weapon doesn’t necessarily mean they’re going to use it. The idea of a deterrence is to stop other countries from strong-arming you with their superior military prowess. A smaller country like Iran could theoretically stand toe to toe with the United States.
Imagine someone bullying a kid on the playground. Sure the bigger kids will usually wins, but if both the bully and the kid have guns… well suddenly people are more willing to sit down and talk, then to jump into a brawl. Horrible analogy, I know, but that’s how I see it.
I totally agree with you OB! Iran has as much right to nuclear weapons/power as any other nation does. If my bat-shit crazy neighbour decides to legally obtain a gun, I have no right to say “Hey! He shouldn’t have a gun because I think he might maybe use it one day”. The same goes for Iran. If they want to build a nuclear program, I say let them. Like More said, the US are the only ones to ever use a nuke, not only once, but twice! They have no right to tell the world who has the right to have them and who doesn’t.
So… then you’re saying OP that nuclear weapons are something EVERYONE should have?
Everyone should have access to nuclear power if they pursue it, but maybe not everyone should have nuclear weapons. The world would end up one massive shit show if that was the case. In fact, except as a deterrence, no one needs nuclear weapons at all. A country can’t really use one without ultimately hurting itself, whether through fallout, the subsequent war, or by destroying part of the worlds economy.
ran, or any country with nukes or the pwer to make them, are safe from the u.s., they are too chicken to start shit, with someone that can drop a dirty bomb in their laps. notice that they only go after little jerkwater countries, with fuck all. except for maybe poppies and oil.
You fucking Canadians crack me up.
Let’s review some basic history. Yes, the United States used nuclear weapons – TO END A WAR IT DID NOT INITIATE. It has not used them since. Not in the decade that it held nuclear superiority over the Soviet Union. Not in the unwinnable stalemates of Korea and Vietnam. Not even when 3000 of it’s citizens were murdered in cold blood by stateless sociopaths acting in the name of their imaginary friend. Never.
Why exactly is Israel, Iran’s arch-enemy? They have never attacked Iranian territory. Hell, they don’t even share a contiguous border. There is no population of ethnic Persians under it’s control. They are not actively trying to convert their neighbors to Judaism. They don’t compete economically. One is the sole functional democracy in the Middle East. The other a theocratic dictatorship held in thrall to a 1500 year old book of bad poetry. The leaders of Israel, no matter how hard-line know that they must co-exist with their neighbors. The leaders of Iran, (and Syria, and Iraq, and Egypt, and Saudi Arabia, and Libya, and the Palestinian authority openly speak of the day that Israel has been wiped from the face of the Earth and the last Jewish throat has been slit to fertilize their olive groves with Jewish blood.
And don’t kid yourself with “Chomsky for Dummies” crib notes. It isn’t the policies of Israel that secular Arab strongmen and Islamo-fascists alike, abhor. It is Israel’s very existence that sticks in their collective gullets.
That is bullshit Ivan. The leaders of Isreal have disregarded international law by constantly redrawing borders and building illegal settlements. Bulldozing entire towns because of one rocket strike. When you displace an entire people, you have to expect a certain level of anger about it.
It seems to me that in the 10 years after Oslo, any concession made by Israel was responded to with a fresh atrocity by hamas. Now I’m not going to say the Israelis haven’t made some crucial mistakes (like settlements) and they could certainly improve their human rights record. But then you’d have to travel about 3000 Km on a North by North West heading before you encounter another nation that understands the concept of Human Rights, much less, acknowledges them as a good thing. No?
So again, the palestinians will have a nation when they decide that they want one, more than they desire the extripation of the state of Israel. It’s a pretty simple, reasonable choice.
if every nation surrounding me, wanted me wiped off the face of the earth, i’d be a bit stabby too
All fair points. Maybe they should have thought of that when they displaced millions of people. You know, that there could be reprecussions. They did what was done to them as a people, to the Palestinians as a people. They are the same idiots on different sides. Zionist elitists and clerical crazies. Fuck em all.
I hold no great regard for zionists either, but it should be pointed out that the large scale displacements of Palestinians came about after the armies of the surrounding Arab states attempted to obliterate newly created state of Israel. And the local arab population didn’t exactly see that as a bad thing. It was bad enough in the 60s and 70s when secular pan-arabist leaders looked across their borders and saw a prosperous, ambitious, educated and successful nation. It was a rebuke to their own stagnant, post-colonial malaise that no amount of new Soviet military hardware parading up and down the boulevards of Cairo and Damascus could assuage. Especially when, instead of cowering in their kibbutzes, the Yehudi actually fought back – and won. Now you have to work in the populist emotions stirred up by politicized Islamists, which makes the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion and Der Sturmer look like Dr. Seuss. These people make NO distinction between Israel and “THE JEW”.
Still, as the last of the Holocaust generation die, perhaps Israelis will come to see promises to cleanse the world of the Yehud as nothing more than the flowery rhetoric of poetic arabic speech.
Nuh-uh! Just kidding. It’s an old man’s war. Hopefully the young people will realize this on both sides.
Hope so. The Old Man served a year in the Gaza Strip in 1966. He said that the average Canadian soldier’s admiration for the Israeli achievement tended to decrease the more you had to deal with them. They were riding a wave of self-confidence that was starting to border on arrogance. And, the palestinian refugees from the camp that was close to theirs succeeded in putting a human face on the conflict that couldn’t quite be erased by Arafat and Leila Khaled and Munich and Ma’alot.
Anybody fans of Baruch Goldstein?
Not I.
I really don’t follow politics much, but here’s my view of it all. I think if Iran or Iraq or any country has oil on their land, then that is their natural resource and they should be entitled to that. Other countries with more power should not be allowed to move in and just take what they want. The UN should protect against that shit. Just as if it were a gold mine on their land or a bunch of trees on our land or whatever, they should not rape the natural resources of other countries. That is where world trade comes in. You want the oil, you buy it. You want the gold, or paper products or whatever resources you fucking pay for it. I do think middle eastern countries are fucked up in that their people are suffering. The women have little rights, their systems are very backwards, people are dying at the hands of their dictatorship governments and that is when the US should move in and shake it up a bit. I think Afgani women have benefited since the US landed on their soil, even if it was just a pretense.
While I have no love for these Middle Eastern dictatorships, N. Korea and Pakistan have nukes so why shouldn’t Iran? The reason is because American interests in the region dictate that oil producing nations should not have the ability to defend themselves in the event that the U.S. intervene to secure their energy needs. The parallel to the Iraq debacle and the WMDs is painfully obvious. The Americans come across like a crackhead willing to kick down doors to get their fix.
Oil’s what it’s about boys (and girls), not terrorists, human suffering or even the fostering of democracy. After 9/11 and after an assault on Afghanistan, the U.S. and Britain focused on Iraq despite no WMDs and no solid link between Saddam and al-Queda. The oil fields were the obvious goal of this adventure which, to me, was a shameless exploitation of the sentiment at home following the 9/11 tragedy.
Last year the U.N. security council voted unanimously to intervene in the Libyan meltdown and assist the rebels because of the maniacal tendencies of Ghaddafi and the potential of genocide therein. Libya was far from the first African nation to have a murderous regime but was singled out and bombed. What about Uganda, Sudan, the Congo, Syria! The government isn’t killing it’s citizens in Syria? Where’s the rhetoric of stopping human suffering and militarily supporting the rebels there? The answer is plain, Libya has oil, Syria doesn’t nothing more nothing less.
So the game of chicken continues with Iran and military intervention WILL happen there if recent history means anything. Israel may be the catalyst where they strike at Iran much like they did in Iraq in 1983 where they blew up Saddam’s nuclear ambition. Israel has self-preservation as their motive, THAT I can identify with. However, one has to think that some sort of volley between Tel Aviv and Tehran might just be the excuse some U.S.-led coaliton needs to intercede on behalf of their allies and secure energy interests.
The UN is completely fucking useless.
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BEEE-YOOOO-tiful, Painey. That was flipping epic. >: )
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I hope the USA and Israel bomb Iran back to the stone age. Wait, Iran is still IN the stone age, aren’t they? Women have little rights there, it pisses me off and I have NO sympathy for that kind of regime.