To whom to may concern at the Coast:
Who, exactly is editing the Bitches for “grammar and spelling”? Because they need to be disciplined for not doing their job.
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To whom to may concern at the Coast:Who, exactly is editing the Bitches for “grammar and spelling”? Because they need to be disciplined for not doing their job.
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We edit what goes into the paper version of the Bitches. I’ll be damned if I’m going to waste my time here on the website version; I’d be doing nothing else.And while I’m at it, one of you wise guys phoned the office today to complain about something or another, causing someone to wake me up from a perfectly good nap to deal with your bullshit. Not appreciated at all, let me tell ya. Look, unless you’re incredibly stupid (yes, possible, but still), you’re all anonymous. I don’t want to hear complaints about people calling you a troll or whatever; grow up and enter the internet reality of the late 1980s already, and get over your ever-so-sensitive hurt feelings. Call the office or make a complaint when someone does something to hurt real people, not fake name sockpuppets, k?, and stop interrupting my naps.Consider this a “bitch at each other” thread.
OMG, Tim, now you are truly one of us! Brilliant flame, brother. Can I have an amen, fellow fake-name-sockpuppets?
Whoever did this…Making a phone call is definately breaking the fourth wall and clearly out of bounds… Shame on You..!!!! I am very disappointed in this… And Tim, please accept my apologies on behalf of the other 99.999% of us who would never do such a thing… Good Night
AMEN!!! Good Burn Tim…you receive the coveted “Flaming troll” award. Hey Tim, How about a Best of LTWWB?????I got some categories and nominees already:Most knowledgeable about buses and bus-related needs: Ex-haligonian. Most likely to flame himself because he can’t resist a good joke: jammieI got more…..
And I echo Floyd’s comment. No one likes a tattle tale…especially one who ventures into the realm of reality to make an actual person’s life less nappy. Tsk Tsk *wags finger*.
Miles, I have a picture in my head of one of those naked troll dolls, with flaming orange hair spiked up in, well, a flame shape. Perhaps someone should take it upon themselves to find such an artifact, and send it to Tim c/o th coast.
I like it Miranda! Or maybe we could get him and Oscar (the grouch, not the academy award)
Nope. I think the Oscar has to go to TTFN.
er, anyone can claim to be anyone, of course, but the caller claimed to be Floyd.
Flaming orange-haired troll… Hmmmm…somehow I STILL picture Ali_G fingerpainting with a mouth full of Mr. Hankey, kinda looking like Pippi Longstocking crossed with Ledger’s joker.I can’t her out of my head!Na-na-nah, Na-na-na-nah, Na-na-na-nah!
Check that– I was asleep, as I said. It could have been complaining about Floyd. Sorry for the confusion.
FLOYD! FUCK OFF YOU TROLL!:-D
Oh, and btw, Proofreader, the correct syntax is: “Who, exactly, is editing the Bitches for “grammar and spelling”? Because they need to be disciplined for not doing their jobs.Or, “he (she) needs to be disciplined for not doing his (her) job.”If one is going to set oneself up as a self appointed grammar/spelling nazi, one had better make damned sure one’s own grammar and spelling are above reproach.
Actually, Miranda, the quotation marks are unnecessary (I confess I am guilty of this too), and the word “because” is a conjunction, which should not begin a sentence but rather join two clauses.
You are absolutely correct about not beginning a sentence with a conjunction, JamJam. Allow me a moment alone with my shame. However, I did not claim the title of “Proofreader”, so perhaps I might be forgiven. However, the quotation marks, while unneccessary, are not strictly wrong.
Ah I know Miranda; i was foolin’. I do quotes all the time but I know they “drive people nuts”. 😉
Still taking nominations for:Most likely to self-publish a manifesto:Most likely to have head explode while writing a bitch:Worstest grammer:Best grammar:Great gramma:Most likely to be that guy on the bus who hates Halifax:
I am also pretty sure that beginning a sentence with “however” is a grammatical transgression. Good thing I’m not The Proofreader.
This. Did. Not. HAPPEN!!!!!There’s no way I live in a world so wonderful, a world in which someone could possibly be so deliciously, so tantalizingly lame, that they would even CONSIDER phoning Tim to complain that floyd, some random, internet NICKNAME, called them a troll on the website of the newspaper he edits.It’s impossible… or is it possible??? Is there one among us who takes himself so seriously, who holds himself in such high regard, that a mere tarnish on one of his many internet H-idenities, is enough to warrant taking time from his busy day, to interrupt the slumber of another, to avenge his own honor? Could there be such a lame-o trolling (or mole-ing) this very board?Jeez, I take a break to watch a movie for a few hours and look what I miss…
Miles, you almost made me drop my beer. The LTWWB awards deserves it’s own thread.
Most likely to get an abortion to spite the religious right… or Ginger:(my vote is for floyd)
I know!!!! It’s like coronation street around here, only more exciting and less britishy. Actually, it’s nothing like coronation street. I don’t watch Coronation street, nor do I care that Gail finally met her long lost dad.
Good to know I’m not drinkin alone Miranda.
Hmmmmm….interesting question. “However” is commonly used almost interchangeably with “but”, but it is not actually a conjunction. (For example, it would be incorrect to say “, however it is not actually a conjunction.”)It’s debatable whether it can be used to start a sentence. However, if you do use it at the beginning of sentence it should be followed by a comma.
It’s like Lost, but without the smoke monster.Or South Park, but without the line dancing and otters.
Jammie’s drinkin’ too.Jammie just realized he needs a life.
Oh God I miss Lost.*sob*
OMG, Lost! My life is the intermission between seasons of Lost.Whyyyyy does it take them so long to make moar episodes?
“moar episodes”….not even close Miranda :PJammie, keep drinking, the guilt and shame will go away.
Why does it take so much time to make moar episodes?Why is Kate so whimpy on the island but such a hardass in the real world?Why does big hero Jack cry in every single episode?Why is Sawyer becoming nice?Is claire dead?Is Locke really dead? Or will he be revived on the island?What is Faraday up to?Why is Miles such a dick (not our Miles) even though he is clearly not evil?Is Ben evil or not?What the fuck is Smokey?Who are the whispers?Why did I love Libby and why do I love Juliet even though they are both crazy fucked up?Why don’t I love Kate even though she is crazy fucking hot?Why do I think Ben is so fucking sexy even though he’s man, and an ugly one at that?Shit. I think I just said too much.
oh my god… i thought i was the only lost fan here… has anyone seen the cast of lost “one night in bangkok” uk promo video on youtube? it is so crazy cool, you can’t even believe it, and i hate techno…
OK, nice spoiler alert, jams. Sheesh.
Eeeewwww! Ben is icky! ew ew ew. Jammie, now I have to go wash my brain.
And Tom being gay??? Who saw THAT coming???
Oh sorry Qwerty. I thought fans would know all those things. My bad.And Miranda I totally agree re: Ben. It was a joke. Although in real his kind of power over people would probably be sexy to many people. Look at Clinton.So I have to say in virtual life (not real life), if I was gonna give manlove a try, Ben might be a good candidate. As well as Tom Berenger (but only when he’s playing a drunk) and Brad Pitt. And Floyd.
Oops how could I leave out the Beav??
I know these things. I was thinking about the others.And not the others-others. The others here who might not have seen it.
Tom made a remark back in Season 3 about Kate not being his type. given that Kate is pretty much every man’s type, it made it clear that he was gonna turn out to be gay.
Which Others? Aren’t the remaining Losties the new Others? Or are the orignal inhabitants now the Others (again)? Or some of Ben’s old crew are STILL the Others? I’m so confused. Fuck I love that show.
I just re-watched seasons 1,2,3. It was breathtaking.Theory: the opening scene in the pilot episode is going to end up being Jack’s RETURN to the island. Fingers crossed.I didn’t catch he Tom/Kate thing he first time, but I was all “AH-HAA!” last week.
It’s an aptly named show since I spend half my time watching it “lost” and bugging my co-workers the next day about what the hell is going on.
Hmmm why do some comments get “reviewed” and others don’t? i just typed a lengthy note and it disappeared.Anyway Qwerty agreed on Jack in the jungle. Definitely think there’s a time loop and they won’t get out of it until they get it right.
Desmond is my new god. I pray to him. And not just because he played jesus in a crappy movie, either…
OK. Did you cry at Des’s big important scene in the season finale? you know, on the yacht?
I wept like Jack does in every single episode.
I cry whenever Sawyer takes off his shirt to go swimming, but leaves his jeans on. The Penny/Desmond scene was great – glad to see that polar scene from the season 2 finale pay off.
Yeah I bawled like a little bitch too. LOLI think that scene was a much bigger deal than we realize. I mean I know it was the first real reconnection of a Lostie with the real world…but even more than that I think it was completely central to the whole show. Think of Ben’s new motivation after the Alex thing. Penny better HIDE! The Linus-Widmore game is ON, bitches!
Ha! “leaves his jeans on” – another candidate for best line ever. I busted out loud – almost choked on my beer. I mean my Diet Tab.
Do you think Sun was fucking with Widmore, or do you think she really wants to work with him to kill… someone…?
i was really unsure what that scene meant. I know she has serious daddy issues, like everyone else on the show, so was she fucking with her father? Or did she just figure Widmore would be able to find the island, and thus Jin (I think he survived)?
2 cool LOST videos:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcatQSyRK6chttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xPOXSfPQGE
Well holy snap-n-crap,get out for one day and miss the ultra-burn that is Tim’s wrath.Flame On Sir.
I know zzz! this is what I get for having a life…tim, I take my puppet hat off to you.
For the most part, the people who comment in here have their grammar/spelling shit together. Exceptions? Hell yeah, sometimes we write while drunk (guilty) or not in a right frame of mind. If you can’t make out the bitch, then smile, nod, and move on to the next.
Did you kids hear that sound? It’s the warning siren, reminding us all that in 1/2 hour, we must all cease tap tap tapping on our keyboards, and walk away for the night.I mean it.
I was just thinking that Qwert. It’s like when you were kids and got the 1/2 hour till dinner call out to the yard and you tried to speed up your playing to squeeze more in. Or am I the only one who did that?
The impending, dreaded silence.
Shhh…
I’m going to bed. Anyone seen my jammies?….Oh, there he is. Qwerty, read me a story. I think I want to hear Puss ‘n Cat-Shoes.
How about the one where Gingers gather together to exterminate the non-Gingers?
Plonk (from that other bitch): 1996 called, they want their insinuations that people online have no “real” friends back.I have 2 friends. 3 if you count my cat. Who ran away. Because he hated me.
Et alCliqueBatedIdiot.That’s all.
Jammie got me thinking.Hey, as well as “bitch at each other” here thread, can this also be “correct each other” here? Pretty pretty please? I’ll post topless from now on… Just think of the heights of obnoxious awesomeness we might reach, together, while tormenting those who would have us silenced. Rather than respond to the queefs in their bitches, we’ll drag them in here and correct them senseless… *rubbing hands together in glee* (Obvious) Typos don’t count.
Holy snapping arseholes, my jaw dropped like a sack of concrete reading Tim’s comment. I cannot believe anyone would be so personally offended that they’d call Tim to whine – grow the fuck up, you pathetic infant, or join the goddamn NDP – you’d fit in perfectly with their ‘shocked and appalled’ chorus of shitheads – everything offends them.As for the OP who’s bitching about grammer on this board – go back to your compulsive hand-washing and making sure all your Skittles are lined up in rows of seven.
This was the “red pen” thread. We should use it.TTFN it’s “grammar”.Hehe.
Jammie, we don’t correct each other. We correct the enemy. Kill them with correctiveness. Correct until the cows come home. Correct not, lest ye be corrected.Hey look, a cashew. On the sidewalk. I think I’ll just step over it.
arg stupid trolls! I just can’t help responding to them…they infuriate me so…..there’s gotta be a 12 step program for this. I’m far to easily baited…:(
so when the pope mobile rolls into town (aka ‘papal visit’) we’ll know the interweb’s about to explode? I wasn’t around when the earlier safeword was instituted- when does it get used?
Qwerty, master of insight and humour…Here I am lured into a different playground to respond to a member of the talk-a-lot-of-shit clique. I contacted 1996 to clarify that I did not suggest all people online have no real friends, just you and your bored-at-work-posse. And I feel for you, I honestly do. So I’m happy to hear that you have at least 2 friends. Whether or not they are blow-ups is another matter.By the way, I’m sorry about your cat, but I hear he was allergic to banged up plastic.
Sorry about the misdirected correction. And sorry about this too, but I think Plonk is pretty damned funny 😉
Plonk, master of nothing, except maybe missing the point…Welcome to our playground, a place of laughter, at the expense of others AND ourselves, equal parts.Stay, join in the fun, but before you do, I recommend you brush up on your interpreting skills. If not for your own benefit, then for ours.They ARE in fact blow ups, and the cat WAS in fact allergic to them… all that remains of him is a memory, and his cat-shoes. Your psychic prowess is un canning….now where the fuck did I leave that cashew???
It’s ok, hedgy. We’re all here for each other… One thing I learned about the queefs is they provide excellent material and opportunity for honing your flaming skills.Use the queefs, hedgy.
Good point re: interpretation. A great many of the flame wars have due to people misreading, failing to read in entirety, or reading but ignoring key points in the post, and totally misinterpreting the whole thing (sometimes willfully.)And that’s just the inter-clique bitching. It gets even worse when the cat’s-shoes show up.
Little known grammatical error: “whether or not” is a redundancy. The “or not” is already implied in the “whether”.It’s like “overexaggerate”.Example: It remains to be seen whether the word overexaggerate will continue to be embraced by the less-than-grammatically astute.Not: I don’t give a flying fuck whether or not you think I’m overaggerating about how many cashews I ate.
Oh my cashew!!Maneater!
Hey Jammie, remember when I told you about the stages? This is stage 4, in which the lurkers come out of the woodwork to chastise us.
Oh my god it is hot as balls in my apt. And I’m not finished my housework. I need a beer. And a little bit of crazy to distract me.
er, i hit send too soon…distract me from my remorse; i’m feeling very chastised and don’t know if i can continue to lve with myself.
Qwerty,”I don’t give a flying fuck whether or not you think I’m overaggerating about how many cashews I ate.”How does an individual overaggerate about cashews? I’m confused… I’ve come back to brush up on my skills of interpretation and I need you to hold my hand trhough this one.Do you mean you’re counting calories? Or maybe you’re feeling guilty about eating so many cashews? Or perhaps you mean that you were big-time lying about your nuts.Overaggerating must be one of those “little known” words, much like the “little known” rule of grammar regarding whether or not…They’re both little known because they’re only known to you.Cheerio Qwerty, you sack-o-nuts.
Plonk – the cashew thing was a reference to previous comments. It’s a bit convoluted. Qwerty has no nuts – but you’re not the first to make the mistake. She’s a scrappy one, and I think people are inclined to see that as a male characteristic. She’s a lot of fun when she’s a bit more chill though! Qwerty – can’t ‘over-exaggerate’ have an appropriate usage sometimes? For example, “I wanted to exaggerate my influence somewhat to impress Ginger / Boots, but apparently I over-exaggerated. It was obvious to her that I was lying, and she called me on it”?
Over the months, I’ve come under attack from many an enraged queef, and I like to think I’ve held my ground quite nicely. There’s something about this Plonk, however, that’s different from the rest – something that’s making me question everything I previously believed to be true about both my own stoicism, and yes, this very bitch board itself.What is it about this Plonk that has caused such turmoil and doubt; what dark magic has cast such a spell? Is it his lack of wit? His inability to understand the most basic of references? His strange compulsion to insinuate himself into jokes in which he doesn’t quite belong? Is it his obsession with proving himself to me? Or is it something else, something darker still? Whatever it is, I don’t like it, and I don’t like this fear and insecurity that has taken root in my very core.I’m not so sure I like my own style on the coast, after all.
You’re gonna switch to Dvorak aren’t you? Aren’t you? Don’t give in to the dark side Qwerty!
Whoa there, horsie. We’re not quite there… yet… I’ve overcome qwerty fatigue before, and as god as my witness, I’ll never be hungry again… what the?!?!?!?!?goddamn it plonk. get out of my head.
Cashew all get along????
I’m totally embarassed by that shitty pun – time to beat my head between my tits for an hour or two.That’ll learn me.
The misplaced comma and the unnecessary use of quotation marks really burns me arse, OP, almost as much as your hypocrisy. But not quite as much. Everyone else, holy fucking field day, thanks for the gut laughter. What a way to end my week. Floyd’s nick used to call the office… Daywalker almost made some sense… Tim goes off the frame… and Jammie wants to scissor? Jams, you know I’m a bonafide regular-ass run-of-the-mill married heterosexual poor excuse for a woman, right? OP: insert commas where they belong in that last sentence. C’mon, impress us.
Nice.If the cashew fits..
TTFN, that so-called shitty pun rocked my world. Now get your head out from between your tits and show us some more of that TTFN wordsmithery we all love, with extra cashewy goodness, please.Beav, what are you saying… you’re a chick???
Beav – I didn’t know you were a woman actually. I was picturing, you know, the Beav. Theodore.And scissoring wouldn’t exactly wrk for me. Cuz I’m a normal run of the mill heterosexual man.However, now that we have THAT straight (so to speak), whaddya think Babe?;-)
Didn’t I ever mention how many abortions I’ve had???Whoa – this is kind of freaky. I have to look back at some of my older posts, I had no idea I was coming across so ambiguously. Fuck, great. Image disassembled. I could have played it like I was the kid on The Wonder Years who played the nerdy friend!And Jammie, I did say I was hitched… don’t make me call Tim and accuse you of Bitch-stalking me ;)Juuuuust kidding, ILYSOTC. Ditto for all y’all.
I guess we weren’t paying attention.Those better have been gay babies you murdered, Beav. Otherwise it’s wrong. WRONG!You mean Marilyn Manson, right?
Bitch-stalking. Love it. Hope you don’t mind if I use that. Then overuse it. Then beat it to death like the dead horse behind you-know-who’s shed.
There are too many you-know-who’s to keep track of, but please, have at the bitch-stalking term. Hurl it around until it becomes a compliment! Or, at the very least, a shitty catchphrase. Or just start using it to call BS on any poster that flames you, then call Tim (let it ring a few times – he’s quite sleepy) and tell him “I’m calling BS!”.
tHere is Only one true you-know-who; i hesitate to MentIon his namE lest some troll report back to him that he is being slandered, causing him to return.
Uh-oh – you done done it now.
I smell something foul and it ain’t my colon’s smoke rings – slander, huh? Somebody needs a wheelbarrow for their fucking ego. Better yet, a wheelchair.Wait! Is that the sound of goosestepping lawyers???
One Hundred Posts in 24 hours mid summer Friday Nite-All Day Sat…I just love it when people are crazy with heat…. It like Hell’s Kitchen… and I dont mean the hfx bar or the NYC neighborhood…Just Fucking Hot
Whew, what a night…The part I find absolutely hilarious about this, is that the OP actually thinks the Coast would pay someone to edit all this s crap for spelling and grammar… LOL.If that was the case I would just write a bunch of random unchecked shit, no punctuation etc ( a la robert) and say ok, well I’ll just wait for Tim to clean it up in the final edit…. Can you imagine that…???
I see that Tim’s rude awakening was to respond to an emergency complaint about being called a Troll by Sockpuppet Floyd, which IMHO is not really a 911-able offence…I have an idea of about 4 or 5 other sockpuppets whose hand may have dialed the call, but I won’t list you here…So here’s the deal… Come forward and identify yourself as the caller and tell me that it hurt your feelings… I will apologize to you directly, AND I will vow to never call you a troll again… I can’t offer anything more than that… Just do the right thing…BTW Qwerty created the safe word ‘hedgehog” the last time there was a major meltdown here a few months back… But since we now have a new poster called Hedgyhog, we will need a new safe word.. How about it Qwert…
The new safe word should be…. hmmm….How about… papal visit.
Hello??? Is anybody in here??? Miles? Floyd? hedgy?……..anybody????
Q what would it take to bring you home to ns
More obnoxious billboards all over the city, courtesy of that fum duck fiddle fuck premier what got himself elected in my abcense, mocking those of us who moved away out of necessity as if it was some casual coin toss… My favorite campaign was the one in which he called us delusional. Trult heartwarming.
I am trult saddened by the answer…
That’s french for “the opposite of”… yup.
D’oh I thought it was a typo of Truly.. Nighty Nite
Twas, but I like to blame all my mistakes on the french.
Qwerty, I thought those were inflatable friends, not wooden ones.
Hey, nice switcheroo, Miles!After the cat ran away because of his allergies to the plastic friends (and because he hated me and thought I was a loser), I disposed of them, and replaced them with wooden friends.Less lifelike, but you can’t beat the durability. And we’re strictly platonic, so I don’t have to worry about inappropriate splinters.
Yeah, I thought that other thread might still have some life in it. Ironically, it was evolving into this thread.
Yeah, friends like that will be with you till the day you die. In fact, you can probably get them milled into your coffin too.
Ahhhh, now I see. I missed the thread switch. I forgot about the allergies. But you know the cats may not be allergic. Depends when you open the box i guess.
Lori, he said it’s his first bitch because in all likelihood, it wasn’t. Just like the so-called lurkers who sign up just to agree.They’re just sad because they feel left out… Anybody who uses the word “clique” is someone standing on the outside of the clique looking and, and wishing. Nobody ever refers to their own friends as a clique. It’s a putdown employed strictly by the rejected.BTW, I’m posting in here because the dude posted that bitch in some attempt at strange ego-gratification, as he expressed himself that he can’t wait for the comments to pile up.I’ll be goddamned.PS Are you there floyd? It’s me, qwerty. I miss you, and I don’t care if you have different beliefs. Just come back.
Think we lost him on evolution? Haven’t heard a peep since. Do you think he moved to Arkansas because the environment there would be less hostile? Oh, Floyd, we didn’t mean it. We didn’t come from monkeys, really!
Righto Qwert…I pretty much knew that, just wanted to see if the troll would reply so I could play a little game I call “Ginger or not ginger?”
Deep down, we’re all retarded fish frogs at heart… but like Matt & Trey so wisely pointed out – science doesn’t answer every question, nor does religion. Anyone who thinks there’s only one answer is a retard who needs to be smashed like a clam on an otter’s tummy… or something to that effect…
Naw you never lost me on the evolution thing… I just don’t beleive that Darwin had it all right though. And my favoriite cousin the aomeba still isn’t buying it either…I can live quite happily knowing the answers of our origin have yet to be resolved…Science is a bit more advanced than religion, but not by much.
Floyd, we’ve had our differences. You’re very young, I’m not… there’s still something to be gained if you’re willing. From your comments here I think you would enjoy learning about string theory and how it sits right in the middle of science and religion and, from certain perspectives, ties the whole thing together. Check it out:The Elegant Universe by Brian Greene, a string theorist / physicist who teaches at Columbia University. There’s a Nova documentary in 3 parts on Google video or, if you can handle it, read the book. Your world will get much much bigger/smaller (depends how you look at it) if you explore this.After that, question Darwin and investigate how his (unproven) “theory” of evolution is called upon again and again in modern medicine, especially in the field of genetics.So you’re not wondering, I own 4 volumes of Darwin’s writing.
Floyd’s not young. He’s old.I think. Unless I’m thinking of TTFN…
I swear he posted something about being born in 1985
Maybe that was when he was born AGAIN.Or maybe he is young… speak up floyd, if you’re out there… my image of you as a dirty old man is about to be shattered.I though jammie was balck too.I’m white, in case anyone’ wondering. And born in the 70s.
I think saying that string theory lay between science and religion is a little like those abuses of of quantum mechanics by the mystics. Mystics shouldn’t require science, and vice versa. It’s too bad people think they have to choose one over the other.I think that string theory will fall out of favour as fractal quantum gravity theories with much simpler models requiring only 4 dimensions become more developed.
I like to make up words too.
I assumed Floyd was older cuz he digs the classic rock.You probably only thought I was black because of the Ho*ie thing.And Miles what words are being made up?
It’s a simpson’s joke Jammie. When he’s talking to extreme skateboader Tony Hawk. I didn’t mean to imply you don’t know what you are talking about or anything, since you clearly do you adorable-astrophysics-neuroscience-greek history-loving-hobbiest you. I thought you would get the reference.
The universe isn’t divided into the physical domain and the religious domain. The universe is whole and complete. String theory, as does quantum theory, quantifies the way we perceive and understand it. When we put the theory to work it implies multiple universes and dimensions (yes, two different things). This is SCIENCE I’m talking about and yet there are HUGE spiritual implications. For example, the Catholics would have us all believe in ghosts. There’s nothing in Einstein’s field equations that allow us to identify let alone measure a ‘ghost’. String theory, on the other hand, implies beings could pass between dimensions. I find that a lot easier to physically swallow than some spooky ghost created by a vengeful God. That said, you should know I’m Christian and my beliefs reinforced by string theory (among other real sciences like the impact Higgs field has on our universe)
Ahhhh ok. I wasn’t offended, I really didn’t know what you meant. I haven’t watched the Simpsons in a million years. Well at least 10. Sorry for the confusion!
I get it Miles.I get jokes.
Well, some lay writers’ interpretations of string theory imply that, if you want them to. I don’t think string theory or M-theory itself goes anywhere near discussing ghosts.
FTR and since you asked, I am a child of the 60’s… And kay, I agree there is some interesting stuff to learn re string theory…One of the amazing things connected to this is the experiment where some particles must be rotated 720 degrees to see the same side again, instead of the expected 360 degrees.Findings such as these lead me to believe that there is a lot more about reality that we DON’T know, than what we DO know.Without a solid understanding of the true nature of reality, I think it is foolhardy to accept evolution as a stand alone theory.
Kay, I am really glad you made that last comment. I also think that if God is real, then it has to be a part of reality (i.e. the universe). Any understanding of God, has to be compatible with our understanding of nature. The more we understand nature, the more we may have to adapt our understanding of God, but that also means we are getting closer to understandind the nature of God. Although this may seem like heresy, the human understanding of God has been adapting since we first started contemplating the divine.Can I ask you though kay, if you were confronted with significant scientific evidence that suggested there was not God, would you loose faith?Also, if you haven’t already, check out “the God gene” by dean hamer
The thing with evolution though floyd, is that it is not meant to address why we are here, just how. The thing is, natural selection is testable and reproducable. All the actual physical evidence supports it. I am not aware of any natural observations that refute it. But, I think any scientist worth their salt would be open to an alternative should the evidence indicate that natural selection does not work. There would also probably be a Nobel prize in it for the researcher as well. But, like you said, there is a lot more to reality than we can analyze, which will always leave room for the transcendent.
Miles, thanks for your input! I’ll check that out for sure!I’d have trouble believing this universe exists without God because what I believe is we’re all connected to everything (physically, meta physically, whatever) so, in some aspects, we are God. (partical physics supports this perspective)I balk at Catholic dogma because the nature of the teachings divide us from our creator and make him into some kind of monster who will dam you to hell while turning you into a small sinful miserable excuse for life right at birth. As if God makes mistakes….Jesus (and people like him), on the other hand, appear in our historical writing the world over. If you believe Jesus did all we documented he did then, really, he’s a man who could bleed, suffer, die, etc (very mortal) and yet he understood the universe so well that he could manipulate it… not much different from me picking up a coffee cup, manipulating the physical world… if I could be like Him I’d have his understanding of the universe to a point that I could manipulate it. The big question is would I stick around and tend to the sheep of fuck off into some “better” existence, which is likely a neighboring dimension or universe.
Nice post Miles. I think often the word “theory” is assumed to mean that evolution is just a guess. That’s not what “theory” means in a scientific context. As you note, evolution has been demonstrated over and over in millions of different ways. It has never been refuted. The fact that it hasn’t fully explained absolutely everything already shouldn’t be called “holes in the theory”; it just means there is more evidence still out there to be collected.I am disappointed though when questions of god and ghosts come into a discussion of the fundamental physical particles, forces, and constants. It’s as if the religionists can no longer suppress and destroy the science for their misguided purposes, they’ll just degrade and dilute it by conflating it with hokey ideas about faeries and sprites.I actually think mysticism is an important part of the human experience, but I think we cheapen it by trying to turn it into an episode of Star Trek Voyager. And in turn I think we cheapen the science by trying to use it to explain alternate realities at all the wrong scales and with all the wrong laws.
Let’s talk on that for a minute, Jammie.the·o·ry–noun, plural -ries.1. a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena: Einstein’s theory of relativity.2. a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.3. Mathematics. a body of principles, theorems, or the like, belonging to one subject: number theory.4. the branch of a science or art that deals with its principles or methods, as distinguished from its practice: music theory.5. a particular conception or view of something to be done or of the method of doing it; a system of rules or principles.6. contemplation or speculation.7. guess or conjecture.This has bugged me for a long time so I had to say something. What’s a “theory”? Truth? Farce? I don’t know. Do you?
I think in the scientific context a theory is something that hasn’t been established as absolute fact, but is well founded in observation and is testable. It is more than a wild guess.You have to be careful with dictionary definitions because they will include the “common” understanding of the word as well as the “scientific” definition.
From Wikipedia:”The word theory has many distinct meanings in different fields of knowledge, depending on their methodologies and the context of discussion.In science a theory is a testable model of the manner of interaction of a set of natural phenomena, capable of predicting future occurrences or observations of the same kind, and capable of being tested through experiment or otherwise verified through empirical observation. For the scientist, “theory” is not in any way an antonym of “fact”. For example, it is a fact that an apple dropped on earth has been observed to fall towards the center of the planet, and the theories commonly used to describe and explain this behavior are Newton’s theory of universal gravitation (see also gravitation), and the general theory of relativity.In common usage, the word theory is often used to signify a conjecture, an opinion, a speculation, or a hypothesis. In this usage, a theory is not necessarily based on facts; in other words, it is not required to be consistent with true descriptions of reality. “
Well Kay, I think Darwin put forth a theory about the origin of species about 150 years ago. For 150 years, scientists have been collecting evidence and conducting experiments to test this theory and they all support natural selection as the process by which speciation occurs. The theory has been modified somewhat with imporved understanding of genetics, but it is pretty much the same. At what point does it stop being a theory? Probably never. But It’s safe to put it up there with the theory of Gravity, or the theory of the internal combustion engine and the theory of I ate Tuna Salad for lunch.
Miles I like you more and more. Thanks for posting.
I’ve got a new category and nominee;Biggest CUNT : ***
nobody cares about your cunt, lori
kay’s just worried she’ll lose the prize for biggest, yeastiest meat curtains lori….never mind her, it’s that time of the month and she simply can’t find a tampon brave enough to forge ahead into her gaping vagina..
Jammie, let’s not post in that bitch where the guy totally puts us down for commenting, followed by “I can’t wait to see the somments pile up”. Giving him what he wants would be wrong. WRONG!!PS You’re right. He’s been here for some time.
uhh… make that “comments” not “somments”. What are somments???
I know Qwerty I avoided posting there for ages for tat reason. I figured he was no longer trolling that thread by now though. It’s been a few days. We had our dose of crazy with good ole Earth Mother today already!
Good point.It takes alot for me to be afraid to post but today, fear found me.Tonight in Halifax, a bunch of ladies are quietly cleaning the cat scratches that cover their bodies, and comtemplating… something.
Cigarettes, I think.
I’m jumping into this conversation way late, but work was interferring with my posting. I was so excited to see a physics debate pop up again i think i’m going to have to get a subscription to “Modern Science”. Here’s my humble take on the universe. I am intrigued by the string theory and think we may discover the universe is laid out like DNA. Double helixed, turned back on itself. What i’ve read of the string theory it also seems to explain the duality (discussed in the other forum) in that “rope” can be twisted and still appear staight and tight to the eye. or explained another way – ants could walk a rope not only forward or backward, up or down but scroll around it one way or the other. I also think Gd and science are perfectly compatible. I am amazed at how generations all over the world & civilazations who have never met one another still have concepts of a higher power. That is proof to me. The Grand Canyon, Music, Art, Science, the creativity of the nature and humanbeings is proof to me. I think higher learning and exploration is appreciating the tools Gd has given us. And now I’ll pass the plate…. see you next week when we’ll discuss the laws of motion
Nooooooooooo Beav! Over here! Let that one die!
I was just reading that one its last rites when Beav showed up to pay her respects.
umm… i should mention i didn’t read the full novel of the trolls going supernova before i posted. Opps, the things that happen when you leave for a few days. here i thought i was sharing some happy little insights. Many hours of reading later – I now know better.
OMG OMG OMG Qwerty did you see that over there? Wheeeeeeee…..!!!!(my seeming glee, i should add, is somewhat satirical)
I see, jams, and I feel your… satire. What a bitch-tastic day this is!!Gingy, are you gonna change yer screen name to Boots, er wha?
Nah Qwerty i feel attached to this one, but if i did it would be gingy.
is it wrong that I want to get gingery and kay in a thread and let them duke it out? it would be epic!
Yeah, Gingy’s the cat’s ass.
It’s gingy, not gingery.stupid hedgyhog.sheesh.And that would be a helluva cage match. I don’t know who my money would be on.Just for hypertheticals hedgy… what would the topic be?
oh no doubt she’d destroy kay and send her home crying to her pussy, BUT kay’s fiesty- she’d go down swinging
hmmm well let’s think: what gets them both riled up?it should involved jesus in some fashion.and possibly homosexual aborted babies having cigarrettes while passing bylaws they won’t enforce. and gingery was a typo/something I now feel I should call her all the time as you pointed it out.
fuck i hadn’t had a good cat fight in a few weeks ladies, that would be fucking awesome. the cunt would for sure go down, oopsie did i use the cunt word or the C**** word.
I still like boots
but hedgy my love i don’t believe in Jesus ….hope kay isn’t pissed by that lol.
I think they should explain and defend their spiritual beliefs and how it should relate to government policy/
What about a bylaw banning performing abortions using second hand smoke and a jesus fish?
Holy Fuck Miles do you want me to wham bam thank you m’am her shit man. I think that the fucking pm that we got in there already is trying to use his Jesus connection on certain agendas, fuck. i drove away the jehovah witness morons when they came to my door.
Gingy I thought you were a Christian?
Qwerty nope, never was, but after hearing the good news about not having epilepsy i decided to live life. holy fuck woman, i can take almost any quote from the bible and argue against it. biggest one is proove to me that jesus is god.
What
Qwerty hon are you ok, are you there?? speak to me…..Qwerty? I just basically said piss on christianity. I’m living life.
Good to hear that you’re healthy – why did you think you had epilepsy?
I was having seizure like symptoms, so for awhile i couldn’t even shower alone, although that wasn’t such a bad thing…lmao. But after learning i had a bad stress disorder, i just basically said to hell i’m living life, doing what i want as i want.
Are you sure you were never a Christian?
Dostoyevsky couldn’t write better stuff.
That’s because he’s dead Jammie.
Allllriiight!!!Fuck jebus! Fuck him right in the ass!! Have you come around about the gay thing too? Now that you’re enjoying life I guess seeing 2 chicks dyke out must not bother you like it used to, huh?
Miles, some people are the opposite when they hear they might be sick they get religous, not me i did the opposite. i’m happier for it.
Who’s dead, Miles? God?
He is indeed. Just check out his story of a prince with epilepsy. You’ll get me.
Qwerty my new policy is : if you got them smoke em, if you enjoy members of the same sex go for it, but lol don’t touch my guy unless he wants a threesome, religon has gone too far in dictating what people should believe.
Dostoyevsky’s dead. But was a great writer of melodrama.
Stage 6 is a delicate level, boys. Easy now.
Gotcha. So, If it’s not too personal, were you associated with pentecostal or some similar evangelical denomination?That was my guess, and I just want to see how close I was.
No I’m serious. It was a great novel abut a prince with epilepsy who was shunned because people misunderstood his condition. But russian literature is characterized by very overwrought, high drama, that’s all.
Wow Gingy!! You ARE a whole new woman!!So it goes without saying then, that Morgentaler deserves the Order of Canada, as it is a woman’s right to choose what she does with her body, and he fought hard for this right. Right?
I think hedgy’s semi-bisexual Gingy, if you’re looking for a 3-way.I’ve never seen her, but she seems cute. And very, very passionate.
LMAO what was that about delicate, Qwerty?
She’s got smallish boobies, and a cunt, and she’s not afraid of letting us know it. Oh, and she’s funny if you go in for personality.Aaaaaand, she likes helping you. It’s a match made in heaven, which you will agree probably does not exist.
Shit.I got excited.But not in the way that makes you need an abortion.
Actually, I would like to apologize for dropping the C-bomb. I’m not really comfortable using that word. I;m Ok with this terminology though:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tAPjEV5NcQ
LOL Qwerty…i’d almost forgotten that one!!!!.
Miles you are pretty close and no its not too personal or i’d let ya know. Qwerty, from studying women in history defintely they deserve the right to do with their body what they want to. And yes Morgan(can’t spell lol.) done that for them, i’m not sure if he deserves it over a solider in afganistan but for sure women do have the right to decide their own body’s fate.
Not me, Miles. I’ve been waiting and waiting to steal it from you.
Jams & Miles, can you take over for a bit? I’m feeling a bit like a bull in a china shop…
…or a kid in a candy store?
I will and I will be as gentle as Prince Lev Nikolayevich Myshkin in my ministrations. Miles can help me, as long as he doesn’t try to stab me.
Something like that…Aw fuck it.Gingy, are you still teaching?
Jammie, I don’t think I swing that way. I mean sure, I’m flattered, and maybe a little curious, but I don’t think I’m ready to Nikolay your evich with My shkin, no matter how gentle you are.
Science H. Logic, i think i really did it now :(i’m a bad, bad bear.
Why isn’t anybody looking up the fucking book you can’t get my fucking joke if you don’t know the name of the fucking boook aaaaaahhhhhh vwhy don’t geeks use their googles when you want them to so many hints and no one is picking it up ahhhhhhh
OK, qwerty, Now I’m going to steal “Science H. Logic” from you.
It’s the Idiot.
I didn’t know Gingy was a teacher? Wow, she must be really good with born children. Does she teach them about the modern world and computers and cellular networks and RFID chips and such?
Who are you calling an Idiot?? Sheesh.
I’m taking my google and going home.
LOL, I think the subject has left anyway.
Oh shit it was THAT post. I just followed Mi….never mind.Dunno why it matters any more any way grumble grumble LOL
I’m anal.And I don’t like giving queefs what they want.
wow, so apparently when I’m not on here people try to pimp me out….iiinnntteerrreessstttiiinnngggg.
kay “Even way back then though there were (some) individuals who lived 100 years. Some succumbed to early deaths, some didn’t. Some survived the flu, some didn’t. Some survived a snake bite and some didn’t. Some died from tooth decay and some didn’t. Where do YOU think the difference lies?”I think you answered your own question: “Some are simply not born with the coping skills to survive.”That’s exactly what evolution is about. Some are born with genes that enable them to cope, some aren’t. Those who aren’t die (at least in a totally natural environment.)
Sorry, my inner pimp needed some exercise.
Qwerty, sorry. I just thought it would be funny to run that one up to 200+ comments, none of them haveing anything to do with the topic at hand.
You need good strong shoulders and arms for da slappin’ of all dem hos.
well I can appreciate that, but I’m just pondering why I had to be the ho? I’m not hoish in the slightist!and I’m with Qwert on this one- even running that other thread up would keep it around, and just satisfy the troll who posted it…who’s clearly lurking and lvoing every post that goes in there. while giggling maniacly and possibly cutting the eyes out of magazines…
Don’t be sorry, Miles. Just don’t do it again.Ever.Or it WILL be on.
That’s some great detective work there Jennie. Or observant movie watching anyway. What was the movie?
she just broke my brain.
In here Jennie!What was this movie? And does this mean I have to start flaming myself?Because I will.
Qwerty-Floyd-Crank….you fucking troll. Here I thought you were cool. maybe you are 3x the cool?
The movie was the Amateurs with Jeff Bridges.
Ha ha ha.What an aptly named movie…it’s like an insult to Qwerty and Floyd and cranky too. This just keeps getting better.
ok so if Qwerty has 2 cool alter egos, where’s her crazy one? clearly everyone with split internet personalities has to have a wack job in there too…Qwerty are you secretly kay?
Sheesh I would have absolutely no life.How do you kill that which has no life?I gotta see this movie. Jennie = Queen of Uncovering Strange Coincidences.
qwerty is NOT secretly Kay
well isn’t that PRECISELY waht she’d say if she was?? 😉
Now I know how Gingy feels.Because i AM Gingy.
You have to admit, it’s a pretty good “connect the dots” kind of thing.I’m condisering giving up my current profession and becoming a private detective…
You realize Jennie, you would have to do more than just watch movies though, right?
Yup. Your specialty could be conspiracy theories. I’d hire you for sure.
Jennie is the Queen of Weeding Every Troll out, Yahoos!
oops Jennie is the Queen of Weeding Every Related Troll out, Yahoos!
Whoa, Jennie… easy on the designations. Let’s wait until you’ve actually CAUGHT a troll.You’re definitely on the right path, though.
We’ve got you now Qwerty-Floyd-Cranky-Kay-Ginger-Jennie!
Damn! More than watch movies??? Maybe I’ll stick with what I know.
That was jammie, not jennie. my bad.Hey, anyone ever notice how close the name “jammie” is to “jennie”??? hmmmm…
I tried and tried to become one with Jenny. I said, Jenny I need to make you mine, Jenny don’t change your number. I dialed and I dialed. 867 5309But it just didn’t work.Jenny, Jenny, who can I turn to?
Loo loo loo I got some applesLoo loo loo you got some too
Okay, okay….you’ze guys just knew that you’d break me after 230 submissions…….IT WAS ME A’RIGHT??? I called and woke Tim up with my whining about the Bitches Clique. Well…not me, actually. I made Homie call, so he’d sound like a Floyd. I just couldn’t take the pressure of keeping track of the “Lost” story line.Homie’s my bitch. I’m him mole. But I dumped him for Badass Guy. He rocks my world.God I’m bored…..
I think all these don’t use this word and that word comments belong over here!Banned or regulated in some way so far:- ironic- beg the question- anthropomorphise- gratuitous- class- classy- apostrophe catastrophesAny more?