I can’t begin to imagine how the people of Newton feel. I can’t begin to imagine how the parents, friends, relatives, fellow community members, of those massacred in Newton feel. I believe the passion that they will now speak against guns with, will serve as a very useful counterpoint to the richest most potent gun lobby in the world.
It will be a shame if this is what it takes to get a common-sense balance between the individual rights of citizens to defend themselves and their family/house/city/state/country—and the individual rights of citizens to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
I know one thing for sure, the rights of 26 citizens to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness have been taken away in the most vile, violent way possible.
Some Americans want access to the same guns their government has access to. This, to many, is the spirit of the 2nd amendment. Some others say they need those guns to prevent tyranny from their own government—the same kind of tyranny that saw them found their own nation separate and distinct from the tyranny of England.
Unfortunately, the tyranny they suffer now is from within; the result of hundreds of years of a fractured, imperfect union. Slavery, civil rights, war, income disparity—all of these things have affected the American mindset, as a whole.
They are looking for reasons why their country is orders of magnitude more violent than any other nation on Earth—and there is no one answer, and no easy way solution, to get to the bottom of it. Time will tell whether an assault weapons ban will solve some of the issues they have with violence.
I do admire the second amendment and the constitution however, for what it’s original intended purpose was, and for how revolutionary it was at the time to give citizens the kind of power Americans still enjoy. These days, governments all over the world are looking for ways to minimize the power of the citizenry. —Dartmouthy
This article appears in Dec 20-26, 2012.
It was Newtown, not Newton. Go watch the tyranny on CNN some more.
I’ve moved on to the tyranny of Canada Post, thanks
I noticed that Dartmouthy. But according to Canada Post your Generation-now-now-now. But at least you got the name “Canada Post” right, lol.
What do you mean according to Canada Post I’m generation now-now-now? I’m sorry to hear I am only now living up to your grammatical and spelling expectations 😉
I’ll let it slide that you used “your” when you should have used “you’re”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=playe…
If your that interested in posting a bitch about the tyranny in America, you could at least get the town name of your example correct. The town that has also been plastered on every piece of media for the past week. The Canada Post remark was in reference to the article I linked in the Canada Post bitch. The same bitch you complained about your parcel in. The article explains that you are not the only person that has mail to be delivered at this time of year.
Now spellcheck that post and point out the errors please. Oh, thats right, spellcheck doesn’t pick up the difference between Newton and Newtown for you. It makes sense now, your smarter then me. But at least I got all my holiday mail and parcels, in a timely and friendly manner.
Again with the “your” and “you’re”, I know, it’s confusing Nukka. Thanks for the writing advice, nonetheless.
The second amendment is hypocrisy at it’s finest. The U.S.A. is such a God-fearing nation and God equals Jesus Christ, so where in the Bible does Jesus say that every citizen has the right to arm themselves. I believe his preaching was quite the opposite.
I’m sure the Founding Fathers of America couldn’t imagine the technological advancements in weaponry or else they might have re-thought that amendment.
What do I fear more people or guns? Neither, I fear people with guns.
in answer to your question, people with guns scare me
I guess you’re just as capable of using your spell checking friend 😉
Dartmouthy, take the next three minutes and look through the posts on your profile. I am not the only one suffering from poor grammer, and “your” and “you’re” are both spelled correctly. Therefore you can’t comment on spelling, if they were used improperly thats a different matter, but not spelling!!! You have succeded in making me look stupid, while doing the same for yourself. Merry Christmas.
You’ve succeeded in making yourself look stupid Nukka. You give me too much credit. Happy holidays!
Point taken, now lets all remember Newton.
guns and other inanimate objects do not kill people, it is the people’s hands that hold it. i used to have a shit load of weapons, but sold off most to another collector. they were all registered and had all the proper paperwork. i used to pay to store them at the local r.c.m.p. station, in whatever area that i was living.
the u.s. is famous for their open hand policy on buying and having guns. in canada, before you get a security licence, you have to go thru a whole bunch of shit. when they first started that shit about gun control here, even some cops could not carry, because they were turned down, by the canada firearms center. but yet, there were licences sent to people in federal jails, that were okayed, figure that one.
and before the idiots start going on about all the weapons i have, at least if the world ended, i would be able to hunt for my food, and survive. i have a very few weapons here, they are all legal and paperwork is in order. but you are just fucked anyway, so i won’t even acknowlage that you people exist.
(Everyone else here already knows I’m a bumbling slob, so my stupidity shouldn’t come as shock or surprise to the regulars – I’m ok with that) 😀
Yeah, so sorry about the town misspelling… lol. But my point with this bitch was that gun control doesn’t solve the problem with people. And Nukka you illustrated that point well I think, in that people’s inherent attitudes… misgivings, anger, spill over into their daily lives and actions. And it is people that are the problem here – the tools to massacre will always be available in some way and we need better ways of dealing with the people in our society with problems, like the perp in _Newtown_ obviously needed but didn’t receive.
“at least if the world ended, i would be able to hunt for my food, and survive.”
Really? How’s a gun gonna help you when the world is gone? What are you gonna hunt? Where are you gonna hunt? What makes you think you’ll be the only one to survive? Where will you get your smokes?
Ya fuckin redneck!!!
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so i won’t even acknowlage that you people exist.
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But you just did, Private Gunmer.
Noone cares that you have owned guns. You’ve been (repeatedly) called out for bragging about carrying a gun daily, what you would do with that gun if you were near whatever event happening, and once you told us you put you gun in a teen boy’s mouth.
This is all impotent posturing by the flacid Member From Bumbler’s Holler(Harumph).
Weren’t you going away or something?
Or did you just pop by to post pics of the little girl down the road without her knowledge/parents’ permission?
Tell WogDog Wheelie said “Wash yer box”, huh?
PisP
my answer to the question posted is ‘people’. guns don’t fire themselves. people will use guns, knives, chain saws, hammers, poison, bricks or whatever comes to hand to express the crap that boils within.
and because people are ‘that way’ they sure as heck shouldn’t be able to tote around automatic weapons. it increases the damage they can do. i think any gun has an attraction quotient to it. something about the emotion that is triggered (haha) when you fire it. it’s a powerful feeling. attacking someone ‘hand to hand’ involves some risk to oneself, even if you feel you have the upper hand. but firing a gun at someone (unarmed) is all power, it all flows from the brain to the gun and AFFECTS the victim. if someone has felt powerless, at the mercy of others, unable to exert their will in situations, this is a great antidote.
regarding the other thing, that people in the states will turn against guns, ummm lord help us, some down there are shouting about getting elementary teachers armed now. and the sale of automatic weapons went nuts right after the shootings. escalation.
I’m no fan of cnn but here goes:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/21/us/connectic…
how crazy do you have to be to make the statement that EVERY school… ALL of them…
should have ARMED GUARDS? Fuck me, they’ve just completely lost it down there.
And I know this was a canadian, but who’s to say it wouldn’t be the guard himself that snaps???
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/06/16/tr…
yup. arm everyone. and the nra is willing to start a fund to get it rolling. lord. the world does not need to arm some police academy reject who makes minimum wage and lives in his mom’s basement.
troodon, you almost got it right. I don’t fear guns or people or people with guns. I fear criminals and crazies with guns.
I want to live in a country where private ownership is greater than criminal ownership
Why is having armed guards at schools such a horrible idea? As we have seen, these places have become a target for lunatics. Some law is not going to stop this from happening again. Cops were in and out of my high school pretty often, they have guns. There are armed guards at airports and train stations all over the world, children go in and out of airports and train stations every day. Every time you go downtown there is an army of armed police officers. Why doesn’t anyone see a problem with that but they don’t want to have some cops keeping an eye out for our children? I’m sure many of them would volunteer.
I don’t want Canada to become like the US, but they are too far gone to just say “OK, everyone has to give up their assault rifles now.” There are millions of them. Just how do you propose we separate these gun owners from their weapons? Ask them nicely? Forcefully take them? Shoot them? Create a task force? Sounds like a war to me.
Their situation is fucked and they have come too far. I don’t see any practical way to just all of a sudden take people’s assault rifles from them. Not to mention if you guys knew the right people you could get an AK47 here in Halifax pretty quick for relatively cheap if you wanted one, and guns have been illegal here for years.
I’m not really a pro gun guy but I just don’t see the logistics of simply banning certain types of guns, nor do I think it will solve the problem.
if someone is buying hundreds of rounds of ammo, it’s a concern
I do not want to live in a society where my liberties are determined not by how lawful I am, but by how unlawful criminals are.
just saying
Check these out, especially Ry, he looks like the next candidate to go apeshit, living in mommy’s basement with only an ironing board to talk to.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-22…
Guns or People? Well, neither really compares to the hate on this bitch line at Christmas. So, I guess it would be people if you can call them that.
I don’t think the USA is the most violent country, correct me if I’m wrong. I remember seeing it was the UK actually. Hard to get a gun there!
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Guns or People? Well, neither really compares to the hate on this bitch line at Christmas. So, I guess it would be people if you can call them that.
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So says the other persona of Gary More, who just a week ago was bragging about “fucking with everyone’s minds and running things” on the board. And was so pissed at everyone he/she made a promise to go away/stay away. And came back with posting the photo of an innocent 6 year old girl.
Nice try, Gary.
PisP
THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM: WAS ALEX LANZA EVIL?
“evil, a. , n. & adv. – bad, harmful, believed to do material harm.” (The Concise Oxford Dictionary)
It is possible that the reason we have difficulty in answering the question as to why Alex Lanza murdered 20 children and 6 adults at Sandy Hook elementary school in Connecticut a week ago lies in the fact that we no longer have the word for that reason? Is it possible that we no longer have the word because we no longer have the concept? And what concept would that be? It is the concept of evil. Evil no longer exists, at least in its original form. And what was its original form?
In its original form the concept took the form of Lucifer, the principle of Evil. However, this was unacceptable to the Church Fathers of the mediaeval times. The Christian God embodied the principle of the Good and to equate the principle of Evil with the principle of Good was to commit heresy. Henceforth Evil was defined not an active principle co-existing with that of the G ood but rather was to be re-conceived, re-defined as the absence of Good. Evil ceased to exist.
A second and reinforcing step occurred with the widespread current acceptance of the psychologistic/psychiatric separation of the man from his acts. In what amounts to a metaphysical re-definition of the nature of man, he was re-conceived to have only a contingent and ephemeral relationship with his own actions. Such actions might arise from mental illness. Possibly they might be the product of the ready availability of guns in a culture which celebrates violence in general and the gun culture particular. As the saying goes, “Violence is as American as apple pie.”
Under the new dispensation the man himself is necessarily innocent. For example, in Montreal three years ago Guy Turcotte, a respected cardiologist, was undergoing a nasty divource and proceeded to stab his two very young children which he was minding 46 times. However, he is now a free man. The appeal panel, with advice from the psychiatrists, determined that at the time of the stabbing he was “not in his right mind.” So there you go. Turcotte had been successfully separated from his actions. Moral responsibility for his actions was no longer on the table. Guilt and and its consequences had been successfully psychologized away. The new dispensation has invoked the Church fathers’ definition of evil and re-defined it as merely the absence of the good.
But if the concept of evil is to have any meaning it must reject the separation of the man’s responsibility from his actions. He is identical with his actions. Would Hitler, for example, be excused on the grounds that he was “not in his right mind?” Would Himmler? Jack-the-Ripper?
So, was Alex Lanza evil? His actions were and so, if one rejects the separation of the man from his actions, one must conclude that he was as well. So what? Well, at least it’s an explanation for what he did.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
If people don’t kill people guns do, does it then follow that a toaster toasts toast and toast?
That is the question
“You’ll shoot your eye out , kid”
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Watch what happens when Guns are banned in Australia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=playe…
600 thousand citizen owned firearms confiscated and destroy.
Armed robberies UP 69%,
Assaults involving guns UP 29%,
Gun Murders UP 19%,
Home invasions UP 21%
Is this Newtown shit still going on? Fuck sakes.
People bitching that media is making a star out of the killer yet they still talk about the shit non-stop. For the love of Zeus, would another celebrity please flip-out and go to rehab soon?!
I’ve noticed that most of the U.S. media outlets are following the advice of Park Dietz and other behavioral criminologists in de-emphasizing the killer and focusing on the victims. Going so far as to not even use his name.
So, why am I not terribly surprised that, after a week of self-congratulatory op-ed pieces pointing out the flaws of our violent, gun-crazed, fame obsessed neighbors, those guardians of Canadian Exceptionalism, the editors and journalists of our august nation, go ahead and do something this stupid:
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/12/23/ca…
Way to feed the Beast, guys. Bra-Fucking-Vo!
Yeah but he didn’t use a gun Ivan so that’s okay (j/k)
Very counterintuitive GV, less firearms equals more violent crime in Australia. Don’t have a quick answer for that one other than everything is upside down in the Land Down Under isn’t it? Some research is needed.
RSVP
Troondon Christmasus (12/24, 4:01PM)
The “quick answer” is the Australian equivalent of the NRA.
A pleasure as awlays.
Cheerio!
PG, I used to shoot hundreds of rounds in a morning and I never killed anyone. I carried a gun for many, many years and never shot anyone. Heck, I’ve shot hundreds of rounds in a matter of minutes. There are many civilians who walk around with weapons who have never shot anyone. Sane people only shoot in self-defence or defence of others. Criminals and insane people shoot for their own selfish reasons.
Don’t mass murderers in australia just use bugs n snakes n stuff?
Half of the living things there’ll kill ya anyways.
I was quite aghast when I saw that article ivan… and them defending the choice no less.
Giving the douche the international fame he wants isn’t very much ‘punishment’ for an abhorrent crime.
More like a Juno award for that scaley little deviant.
“Half the living things there’ll kill ya anyways” More than half if you include Mark “Chopper Reid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4rSZP0nNCc
you were in a controlled environment, timothy. i have friends who go to shooting ranges and hunt for food, they’re unlikely going to kill anyone. the united states are gun nuts and they have to reign themselves in, but it’s none of my business
Never a big fan of guns but the ones I would really like to see banned are the “overkill” ones. You know which ones I mean.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/peace-act…
Typical cop… Loves shooting guns, and feels that only “criminals” and the “insane” have the ability to use them for “selfish” reasons. This coming from someone who’s business is throwing people in jail for growing/selling/smoking a harmless plant, that since the beginning of time has never killed one single person.
Bravo…. This is where our tax dollars go….
Bro Tim, use the remote!
Why and be part of the media circus that milk these incidents for all they’re worth for ratings. To continue ad nauseum to benefit from the sorrow of the victims and putting the seeds in the minds of other sick people out there? No fucking way.
SHITD of course that and all other plants are harmless, afterall it is in nature. Go ahead use some poison oak, afterall it is natural too but I wouldn’t recommend anyone ingesting it.
A gun is only as dangerous as the person behind it. If every gun on the planet were to suddenly disappear, the fucktards of the world would kill by other means. The reality is, there will always be psychotic, antisocial nutballs. Guns are not the issue, psychotic, antisocial nutballs are.
I don’t know if it’s a good sign when the MSM starts to read like the Onion, but this gave me a Yuletide Chuckle
http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainmen…
The real larf is, the Brits don’t want him back.
NurseHezz Unfortunately your right.
Until society’s attitudes on mental illness change and governments put more moneys into mental health and social agencies nothing will be done.
Its not just the anti social or pyschotics that are to blame.
There’s just as much a problem IMO of those who believe they are doing good …those who are convinced that they are doing the will of God ( & I’m not just picking on Muslim’s the Christians & many other religiouns peoples included in this …. insanity)
They believe that by ridding the world of others …nonbelievers in their particular version of faith , is doing good.
and in doing good they are destined for fast tracking to what ever ‘reward’ their religion puts forward for them to receive !
That is as dangerous if not more so, than an evil person carrying out a vendetta, a ‘good’ person attempting to do the world some “good” !
Anyone know where the saying ” the road to hell is paved with good intentions came from ?”
The above , fits right into that IMO .
Unsocial nut-bars eh. It seems like the string of killers recently are intelligent and well-liked folks. It’s too easy to say someone is crazy for actions they do, even if it is murder.
Bro Tim: way to miss The Simpson’s reference! LOL Ivan would have picked-up that one and thrown a gun at my TV.
When he’s right, he’s right.
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Nurse, I luvs ya more and more each day.
More, you are so right about that. The quote covers it perfectly.
Luvs you too Tim! Happy Holidays 🙂
Boru, you’re right about the lack of mental health resources too. The stigma and shame attached to mental illness prevents a lot if people from seeking help. I do have to point one thing out, however…some evils are beyond the reach if even the best psychological care. As scary as it may sound, it’s the reality.
NurseHezz It’s possible to be evil and do evil actions to others without suffering a mental defect.
NurseHezz BTW I love you as well. 🙂 Spread the love.lol 🙂
The whole it’s not guns it’s the people behind them argument really took a hit at Newtown. It’s a gun with the power to mow down 26 innocents in a very short period of time that caused that type of carnage. If this assassin had a knife or a baseball bat this would never have happened in the way it did.
If I were American, I would be very uncomfortable that anybody could get their hands on these assault weapons, I really don’t care who. The thing about guns is that their sole purpose, their sole design is to kill. Does one person’s right to be able to own a device that can very effectively kill something or somebody supercede the safety of the public in general? Apparently, to the NRA and others.
A gun in every school? If I had to think of something that might indicate the downfall of civilized society, it might be that. It smacks of giving up, saying that mob rule is inevitable that there is evil everywhere and just fight fire with fire.
Many many people have killed with gun and were not insane, police officers, soldiers, all in the line of duty. Professional hitmen, those who have no regard for human life, etc.
More, the genie was out of the bottle hundreds of years ago. The big part of the problem is the media who as I have said milk these things for all they’re worth and it causes the copycat effect. When the copycat happens, once again the media milk it for all its worth until the next person wants to go out in a “blaze of glory”. The vast amount of them have happened since the start of television and has exploded since the 24/7 news stations began. Semi-automatic and automatic firearms have been around for a hundred years under the same sort of gun laws then than now, in fact the present laws in places are more strict today (even in some states).
Check the number of mass murders and check the dates, the vast majority of them occurred with the advent of mass media.
but timothy, can you not agree that more guns aren’t the answer?
Tim forgot to mention other non-insane people like members of Spetsnaz, the Oka Rebels, pirates, rappers, the Black Panthers, Jesse James, Al Capone, etc. Maybe Ty Cobb too.
http://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/2010/11/…
SPETSNAZ:
Guns don’t kill people,
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Furniture does.
Troodon, thank you for pointing that out. I didn’t consider that very important factor, and it is very significant. Had that person not had access to that particular weapon, he would not have the means to create such mass carnage in such a short period of time. The number of casualties would have, most certainly, been less. Great post!
P.S- Lubs u too Boru! *hugs* 🙂
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I agree Bro Tim I also don’t believe more regulation or outright bans on guns will change things. IMO we cannot expect legislation to change human behaviour.
The Government cannot & no one should expect that it can, legislate us to a utopia where all our problems are solved for us. The Government cannot pass laws to make us safe, they can pass laws with the INTENTION of making us safer …that doesn’t mean they will work. A peerfect example of this is – I have burried 2 friends, killed because they were wearing seat belts.
Does this mean seat belts haven’t saved peoples lives, we know in many instances they do, but not always.
As has been pointed out many times , there are all kinds of ways to kill each other. Those saying, “well its easier to do it with a gun” , IMO just haven’t bothered to actually think about ways to harm a group of people. Anyone could use for example a flamable liquid, walk through a lower downstairs apartment building or say old folks home at night with a gas can, pour it on the floor at both exits & light it .
Or drive a vehicle during the morning or evening commute into a crowd, or do like those kids did with the large rock in the States , where they dropped it from an overpass onto speeding vehicles below !
You get rid of guns, that isn’t going to stop whack jobs from doing harm. THat isn’t going to stop criminals from getting guns & using them , we already have very stringent handgun laws & have for over 75 years…yet our youth today are using handguns in crimes more than they ever did in say the 70’s when I was a youth !
Real change IMO, That needs to come from education. It is a historical fact poverty & unemployment makes for higher statistics of criminal acts. People who have little or nothing, don’t have much or anything to lose …so why not do the crime with the possibility of getting away with it & reaping the reward . I believe we the only way to effect change is through education & raising the living standard for everyone. That requires decent pay, availability of jobs, a standard that bosses don’t make 100 dollars an hour or more, for every 1 dollar an employee makes.
It would require a complete change in how business & government acts …Which Is Why It Will Never Happen, there is no desire by the few elite to change anything particularly, anything that may in any way infringe on their power or “right” to misuse & abuse the system ! Even if this could be done, it still would NEVER STOP EVERY Act of violence / hate .
The entire concept of “New laws” to “Fix Problems” is a fucking red herring , it is a way that those in charge can PRETEND they are aware of the problem & want to FIX it. Which couldn’t be any farther from the truth , they really don’t fucking care. But are intelligent enough to know that they don’t actually have to solve the problem, or accomplish ANYTHING ! THey simply have to be preceived by the majority …. that they are doing something ! No Magician who ever lived can pull off slight of hand aka misdirection , anywhere near as well as the worst politician …they are the masters of accomplishing nothing, except helping themselves of course & spending/wasting our tax dollars !
More, most of that about poverty is true, however in these post 1990 mass school shootings, the perps have been from middle to upper class families.
PG, more guns is not the proper question. As with ANY tool, one must be properly trained and have the proper respect. A pistol, a semi or automatic weapon in the proper hands will not commit mass murder in schools or anywhere else. So more guns in essence is not the answer, guns in the proper hands (trained with respect) can be a very useful tool. So gun control in the matter of who can get one is a good thing. But gun control will not get guns out of the hands of criminals and crazy people.
I expect another mass shooting before the end of January as this latest (Rochester, NY) is winding down and the next “crazy” is making their plans.
sales of assault weapons and ammo in the states have skyrocketed, so that seems to be their solution
This is from 1994:
http://www.amazon.com/Lethal-Passage-Story…
but most of the information is still relevant today, if not , more so.
“Very counterintuitive GV, less firearms equals more violent crime in Australia. Don’t have a quick answer for that one other than everything is upside down in the Land Down Under isn’t it? Some research is needed.”-Troodon
What is more counterintuitive, is taking away firearms from lawful citizens because the criminals are shooting at lawful citizens.
How much research is needed? The anti-gun crowd finally got their anti-gun laws in Australia, and now that they have hard facts instead of theory, they don’t want to accept that their laws have not worked. The USA is the same, the assault weapons ban didn’t help, but the anti-gun crowd wants to restore the ban. WTF? Can’t the anti-gun crowd look at hard facts and accept them?
Bro Tim , that’s a very good point on the middle class loser….I mean kids. Which is why changes in education is needed.
I read an editorial/blog (which I can’t friggen find the link to !) where this person was saying he believes what needs to be done is the person(s) responsible for these attacks is not identified. Their name isn’t released, there are no published photo’s allowed. That he believes that by putting these assholes all over the news gives them world wide fame, & that some of these people are doing these acts for that fame !
So by removing that, it may not ( & IMO will not ) stop all of these henious acts. It may take any incentive it some cases , that these twisted individuals may crave & it certainly can’t hurt .
I for one don’t care what the asshole looks like in any of these crimes, nor am I the least bit interested in the name of these bozo’s*
I also had an idea which I posted elsewhere , that along with arming the American schools (as the NRA has suggested) I thought, with the American economy in a shambles, if they decide to hire all those security personel, why not make it manditory for Students from pre primary to University … to wear body armour ~;p Yep, it would be a WIN (employing discharged armed forces personel as guards) WIN (make it manditory all body armour is American made so creates jobs) WIN (makes it harder to kill the students) situation .
A little bit of good out of so much bad
* no insult actually meant to Bozo the Clown
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Where are your sources, data for the increase in crime in Australia since gun control GV? I’m finding just the opposite such as…
http://abcnews.go.com/International/austra…
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1. Great Value (Badge of honour, bus rider 11/18, 4:45PM)
“As smart as you are, you are a fucking idiot.”
2. (11/27, 11:05AM)
“Watch what happens when guns are banned in Australia. 600 thousand citizen owner firearms confiscated and destroy (sic).
Armed robberies UP 69%
Assaults involving guns UP19%
Gun Murders UP 19%
Home invasions UP21%
3. (12/27, 9:33AM)
“How much research is needed? …Can’t the anti-gun crowd look at hard facts and accept them?”
1. It’s always a good idea to get to know who one is debating with. GV’s response to my request that he provide evidence for his claim to the effect that HRM is “full of a defeatist mentality” indicates the kind of person he is. Two points: The quality of his response reveals that GV is a redneck. However, in addition, since he provided no grounds for his assertion, his response reveals also that he is a stupid redneck. In GV’s mind, his assertions themselves are simply self-validating which, of course, is the hallmark of stupidity.
2. Four points: (1) GV’s claim that guns are banned in Australia is just false. There were 600,000 assault guns, rifles and pistols bought back, not confiscated, by the government. (2) GV never reveals his source. What source might it be that gives these figures? Name it so that others can check it out. Like the USA, the issue of gun ownership has become a political issue in Australia. Are you quoting from the pro-gun “National Party”? The pro-gun “Sporting Shooters Association of Australia”? “The pro gun “Pistol Australia”? Maybe you’re quoting from the American NRA itself which, in their comments on the Australian situation, has been shown to have based their views on “highly unrepresentative statistics from newspaper columns.” (Wikipedia) (3) A glaring omission is the absence of mass shootings in Australia since the passage of legislation against the private ownership of assault rifles. There have been none. Wasn’t that the whole point? Why have you left it out? (4) Your logic is faulty. Even if your numbers are true (which they’re not), you fail to show how they are the result of the “confiscation” of citizen-owned firearms. There is no connection, but I suppose you can’t see that.
3. Your reference to those “hard facts” is nothing more than another example of your belief that for you to assert a claim is to automatically validate it, just like your claim that I am a “fucking idiot.” Once again, you have provided no evidence that such “hard facts” exist. A lot more research is needed, particularly for stupid rednecks like you.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
Keep talking, someday you’ll say something intelligent.
It is clear that you didn’t read this thread before posting. I didn’t make as assertion, I shared a video. Those figures are not mine, or from any particular website, they are just highlighting some of the info covered in the video. Where do you get off thinking that I need to provide evidance for the stats discussed in the video? You make it sound like I’m the friggin editor of that video….I’m not. Also, if you are going to raise issue about my comment on “hard facts”, I suggest that you raise issue in the same context of how I used. I never once stated that I had ‘hard facts’ yet you claim i did?
lastly, “As smart as you are, you are a fucking idiot” means that you persistantly try to trump basic common sense with fancy talk. If you built on common sense with fancy talk, you wouldn’t be an idiot.
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: Great Value (12/27, 11:12PM)
I realize that nothing I say will ever penetrate the mind of a “stupid redneck” – I provided evidence for that assertion in my previous post – but I’ll go quickly through your “points.”
1. “Keep talking, someday you’ll say something intelligent.” Could you support that assertion? Do you have any evidence for making it? What do you understand by “intelligence”? Could you demonstrate what you think it is? No, I didn’t think so…
2. “It is clear that you didn’t read this thread before posting.” That assertion is false. Do you have any evidence that I didn’t read this thread before posting? Can you specify what it might be? No, I didn’t think so…
3. “I didn’t make any assertions, I shared a video.” If you “shared” a video and endorse the “facts” it purports to demonstrate, that is making an assertion. Don’t you understand that, don’t you? Why didn’t you “share” a video from the “anti-gun crowd”? You didn’t because you don’t endorse their position. Isn’t that clear? Do you understand what an assertion is, don’t you? No, I didn’t think so…
4. “The figures are not mine, or from any particular website, they are just highlights, some of the info covered in the video.” Look at #3 above. You endorse those highlights of the video don’t you? That is making an assertion. Do you have any evidence for any of the “info”? No, I didn’t think so. And why did you post this info? Because you believe that it is true. But do you have any evidence that it is true? Where did the video get its information? From out of the sky? No, it is a propaganda video for the gun lobby. You do understand that don’t you? Yes, I think so because, of course, that was your intention all along.
5. Where did I “get off thinking that you need to “provide evidance (sic) for the stats discussed in the video?” Are you minimally literate? Don’t you realize that your entire position turns on the credibility of the video which, in turn, relies on the evidence for the stats contained in it? Don’t you understand that to take any position on the gun control issue in Australia, or anywhere else, that “evidance” is not an option. Don’t you understand that it is required, that it is a necessity? No, you probably don’t…
6. No, you are not the editor of the video but does that entail that you must swallow its contents whole? Would you swallow the contents of an anti-gun video whole in the same way? No, of course you wouldn’t. Why? Because it’s an anti-gun video and not a pro gun video and you don’t agree with the anti-gun position. You do understand that, don’t you? No, probably not…
7. “I never once stated that I had ‘hard facts’ yet you claim that I did.” Read #3 on my last post over. Do you see what it says? Read it over again slowly to yourself. Try not to move your lips.
8. “… you persistantly (sic) try to trump basic commonsense with fancy talk.” How do you define “common sense”? Is it the sort of sense you possess but which is denied to me? How do you know that? Do you have any evidence for that claim? Can you produce it now? And what do you mean by “fancy talk”? Some, obviously not you, would call it “literate talk” but that seems to be something well beyond your reach.
As I said at the beginning, I realize that nothing I say will ever penetrate the mind of a “stupid redneck” and I stand by that assertion. From #1 to # 8, I have given evidence for my assertion, something you have failed to do throughout this charade of a debate. Do not write back.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
1000 words of worthless banter. I have no desire to match your posts point for point. Especially now that you’ve successfully dragged us both off topic.
Considering how many guns per person there are in the US, good luck getting rid of them any time soon. You can’t plan for crazy.
IGROKSPOCK Someone else can plan crazy for you or,plan to make you look crazy.I posted that at the risk of myself sounding crazy.lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBFZ2kdFzS…
10 filthy, disgusting, immoral, dishonorable, criminals disliked this vid.
Where is everyone?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3HXefD41wI
…Lol..
I’ve been away from the board for a while due to the holidays and whatnot, but I’m back now. I just haven’t really found anything I felt like commenting on.
Guns scare me more than people. In the states, they sell ’em at walmart. Anyone can get a gun in Texas, and not surprisingly, Texas also has the highest crime rates. Citizens should have never been given a right to bear arms. Not even for hunting. Guns are not necessary for anyone except those in Law Enforcement. Too many guns on the streets and in homes end up in kids hands in school shootings. Psychiatric medications (antipsychotics) and videogames are also to blame. Antipsychotics cause psychosis and should not be prescribed for young people. Many of the kids responsible for school shootings were on psychiatric meds. Mix drug induced psychosis with Grand Theft auto and you’ve got another Columbine.
“Guns scare me more than people.”
People have been killing people for thousands of years before gunpowder was invented, and even today when gun crimes happen in every corner of the world, people are beaten, stabbed, run-over, burned, poisoned, and a myriad of other methods that one can use if your intent is murder or brutal physical harm. In Canada, the knife is the murder weapon of choice. Does a boy scout with a camping knife make you to run away and hide?
You actually hit on a situation I find scary GV. Yes humans do have the capacity if not tendency to kill each other meanwhile our technology moves toward in leaps and bounds. Not a great combination. We are refining the method of killing each other en masse and efficiently. You can’t put enough brakes, legislation, bans what have you, on weapons and weapons technology IMO.
In 1945, the Japanese refusal to surrender and the length of time it would take to finally bring them to their knees brought about the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. 166,000 people dead in a heart beat. Why? Because the technology was there.
A lot of people are ticking time bombs that has always been the case but why is it that mass shootings by a single person were rare prior to twenty to twenty-five years ago? I think it’s because a lot of these types are cowards and cannot stomach the up close and personal aspect of a knife or a baseball bat. But a gun with several rounds? What a game changer. Carnage from a safe distance.
Whether it be an Uzi or an A-bomb, these weapons ARE the problem, they’re just too good at what they do.
” You can’t put enough brakes, legislation, bans what have you, on weapons and weapons technology IMO.”
You are basically saying that the liberties of lawful citizens should never be defined by their own legitimate and responsible use of firearms but rather their liberties should be completely and fully denied because of the actions of low life scumbag criminals….all this with no rational proof that the criminal will choose to disarm themselves along with the lawful citizens.