I am 37, and have quite a few tattoos (about 17). At least once a week I am out and get asked this very question,”What are you going to do when you’re 80 with all those tattoos?” I guess I’ll be doing the same thing I’m doing with them now… living my life! Why do people assume the choices I’ve made at almost 40 are going to affect me when I’m 80? And who knows if I’m even going to be on this earth that long. So when I’m 80 and suffering from dementia and going senile, at least I’ll have something to look at. —Middle Aged Tattoo Lover

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  1. Fuckin’ A, OP. I don’t have any tattoos myself (yet), but it really annoys me when people make this question/statement.

  2. i don’t know why people care op, i usually get the “you don’t look like a tattoo kind of gal” yeah but can you tell i want to punch you in the brain^^

  3. … we’ll see what you say when gravity takes hold and that beautiful butterfly turns into a cockroach.

    … but ’tis your body, who cares what you do with it.

  4. I’ve endured lots of stupid comments about my tattoos too. The thing stupid commenters don’t realize is that it is my body and I’ll do whatever the hell I want to with it. Do these idjits really think about what their own wrinkly 80 year old dermis will look like, untattooed or otherwise? Another line from the socially insensitive crowd that gets me is ‘let me see your tattoo’ or ‘what is your tattoo’. Since I am not a walking art gallery I decline to answer those questions. Just because a tattoo is not something they would choose does not make those who do freaks on public display.

  5. oh, and this would be sweet, just not sure where.
    maybe chest with the scythe going into my chest over my heart…

    classy. 😉

  6. Right on!
    I’ve got tattoos, too. I always get the “really? You don’t seem the type. Let me see.”
    I got them after careful thought because I wanted them now….I have no idea how I’ll feel about them when I’m 80, but for now I like them and they’re part of who I am.

  7. Also, in 40-50 years, who knows what technological advances will happen in the world of tattooing?

  8. I don’t get that very much at all, but I do feel like asking people who suntan or go to tanning salons what they’re thinking.

  9. it’s easier to just lay there and make yourself darker than to actually whiten your teeth….
    ? maybe? I dunno.

  10. The melanoma salon near the bridge uses the same filthy rag all day long to wipe down the sweat drenched ‘sun’ beds between clients. How gross is that?!?

  11. Heh, at least I know everything is sanitary at Adept and Utility. In your face skin burners!

  12. “melanoma salon” eeewww. feck that noise. seeing lots of interesting tats today, the tattoo festival is on this weekend. not to be confused with the other tattoo^^i can just see sweet old gals looking for bagpipers and finding something quite different

  13. Heading over Saturday. Should be a good time. Not getting anything but its awesome seeing other people’s work and great for researching future pieces.

  14. to each their own, o.p., personally, i wouldn’t have one of those fucking things on me. i guess it has to be an aquired taste or some shit. but looking like a circus freak, is not for everyone. hope you don’t mind the stares from little kids, and laughter from some adults.

  15. Love the bear Miss pain!

    I want to get something for the 2 baby cubs but I can’t think of anything thats not too tacky yet.

  16. aptly said from someone who doesn’t have one there sux.

    once you get one… so long as you don’t skimp or get some jailbait tattoo…
    you’ll want more.
    Very hard to find a person with only one for more than a couple years.

  17. their astrological sign on or above your ankles?
    names?
    armband with their gemstone colours?

    there’s plenty to choose from and that will likely never change….

  18. I agree with you. I have tattoos too and if I am “fortunate” enough to live into senior years, I’m not going to stress over my tattoos or the fact that they have morphed over the years. People should mind their own business. When my teeth and hair are falling out and I can barely remember my own name, at least I’ll have a few colourful tattoos to look at.

  19. painy, now that is what i would call art. none of that stupid looking black ink shit. fuck, a 5 year old could make squiggles like that, and probly where these,”artists”, get their ideas. and z, nope, not a one, and don’t want none either. even the one painy put up. like i said, to each their own. i choose none.

  20. Don’t get the tattoo of the gemstones, just buy the ring with the gemstone.

    Baby 1: the ring w/ that gemstone
    Baby 2: get the necklace …

    Or whatever order you want to do that in. Or buy them each a piece of land. Physical capital. Stuff that doesn’t lose value.

    Plus you could get the tattoo as well.

    I understand tattoos, it’s just my mind is too frenetic and I would grow tired of it.

    Too each, their own.

  21. I was thinking a cross with angel wings with their names and birthdates on my back – maybe not a cross – but not sure what to put in between the wings – I only want black no colour so birth stones are out. And nothing on my ankles or arms, I have to be able to hide them if need be.

  22. I don’t have any tats, but I might very well get 1. If at 80, my biggest regret in life is some tattoos, I’ve had a GREAT life.

  23. Don’tchya wish ur girlfriend was hot like me,
    don’tchya wish ur girlfriend was fun like me,
    don’tchya….dont’chya baby, don’tchya

  24. TJ902, awesome way of looking at it. If a person of sound mind and body wants a tattoo, and is of legal age, I say go for it.

  25. I am the OP of this post…couple of replies from me on these loverley opinions….to the poster who mentioned a butterfly and gravity taking over…hmmmm do ya think at the age of ALMOST 40 gravity has been kind?? I know ya’all don’t know me from Adam, but I don’t have a tramp stamp, or the flavor of the month tattoo…I’ve been involved with the tattooing industry since I was 18…almost 20 yrs and still have the same love and passion for it, why wouldn’t it be logical to think in another 20 yrs I’ll still be as passionate…and if I live to see 80, I’ll be more concern over stepping on my nipples, then worry about my saggy ink blob

  26. “I’ll STILL be telling your wife/GF/main squeeze it was supposed to be NSA!! Stop calling!”

  27. I am the same age as you, a girl and have many visible tattoos. I work in customer service and get asked the same question as well as others. I find answering questions politely whether the person asking likes them or not usually turns into an interesting conversation. My favorite question is “why would you keep getting them if they hurt?” answer “People decide to have more than one kid and that hurts. That also alters your body forever, and not in a good way. Yes they are expensive but in the long run I will spend less then if I had kids and I will have them for the rest of my life”. I enjoy dispelling what people think I am like because of the way I look and being pleasent when answering questions always throws them for a loop. They are great conversation starters if you actually LIKE talking to people. Personally, when I’m dead I hope some artist is skinning people with tattoos. I will donate my body for that.

  28. that was awesome, apparently those “california license plates” can make epidurals a no go during childbirth

  29. HOW LOW CAN YOU GO?

    The real question is not how would “Middle Aged” look at 80 but how does he look right now! In other words, the question is how low can you go? Middle-Aged’s tattoos are a real, yes a real, marker of membership in the Halifax Underclass (of which there is none lower). It’s all there, the mind, the language, the occupation. What a cretin.

    Was he a legless, blind drunk when he got them? Does he work in a circus or as a waiter in a down-market tavern on the wrong end of Barrington? Clearly he doesn’t wear a shirt to work – forget about the tie and – the worst part – he wants to DISPLAY the markers of his Underclass status! Usually, the type appears as a fat, bloated white man without hair but with these gross tattoos on his flabby arms. God, that’s so bad, but of course “Middle Aged” just wants to “get on with his life,” whatever that might mean. His stupidity, of course, is what fundametally marks him as a member of the lower reaches of the Halifax Underclass, just above the criminal classes (of which there are many). What a horror!

    Why is he allowed on this site? Why must we behold this spectacle? Why doesn’t he just go away?

    A pleasure as always.

    Cheerio!

  30. Quelle horror, indeed, Monsieur – your evident disdain for tattoo ink was a five-star hoot!

  31. Tommy boy. Well put and quick to the point love it!!
    MM that was a nice little rant.

  32. ..i just noticed the line ..i have ABOUT 17 tats..umm like you don’t know exactly? 🙂

  33. @Martym…no don’t know exactly…some are part of a sleeve, so to count those, it’s about 17… @abangela…I am never rude when asked, unless they are rude to me, and you’re right some of them are great conversation starters…I love the point you made on child birth…@ French Frog, or whatever clever name you are choosing…a tattoo means Halifax Underclass??….You are clearly one of those fat middle aged men, sitting at home at his computer, or high horse rather, and judging those he knows clearly nothing about…I’ll let the Doctors and Lawyers and Firefighters of Halifax know how they have become part of the Underclass as you put it, because of their ink….and “HE” is a “SHE”…I can go as long as there is space I want to fill, I’m wondering how long you can go through life with your head stuck up your ass, before you have to come up for air.

  34. Miss skully-girl don’t worry about MM he’s just here to get a rise out of all of us sweetie don’t give in! I don’t know who he she is?
    Tattoos are awesome for those who choose the right ones. TTFN I love the juicy tatt though – that would be a wrong choice though.

  35. Well, well, well, looks like our resident trollanator is back for another round of mayhem:

    ‘Hey, how’s the sick sadism treating you these days cuntfuckers? Still getting off on it?

    The entire world hates you. Posted by randomuntakenscreenname’

    The entire world, huh? All 6,775,235,700 people, crossing all divides, hates the ‘Love The Way We Bitch Board’ – could I see a copy of your poll, pinhead?

  36. He doesn’t seem to grasp that for approximately 9 out of every 10 blokes out there, “cuntfuckers” is either a compliment or a dream job description.

    Hey Painey, SOBova’s table is right next to the Italian Greyhound Fanciers water station. Do you know any of those good fellows?
    http://www.blogcdn.com/blog.moviefone.com/…

  37. RSVPs

    : TTFN (May 21, 8:46PM) – Not THAT bold!

    – May 22, 10:30AM) – Nice reply to randomwhatever.

    : Skully (7:16AM) – No dear, I am NOT one of those “fat middle-aged men” but, Skully (ooo, what a name!) you sound like an old fashioned Irish harridan. I bet you’d do well in a bar fight, Skully. Am I right?

    – Come on Skully, you don’t know any Doctors or Lawyers. (Firefighters, well, okay.) Stick with your kind, ie. the Halifax Underclass!

    – “and ‘He’ is a ‘She'”? Skully, what are you talking about? Have another Guinness and then get down to the parlour for another tat. Any free skin left? No, I don’t mean there, Skully!

    : Randomwhatever (7:34AM) – “sick sadism?” Random, whatever do you mean? Is there ever a “healthy” sadism? Write back with your “thoughts,” Random.

    : Unforgiven (11:03AM) – I bet that tat warmed your heart, you bloody Nazi!

    A pleasure as always.

    Cheerio!

  38. Holy Shit Batman – Thomas Edison, Queen Victoria, Winston Churchill, Lady Churchill, Caroline Kennedy, JFK Jr., Theodore Roosevelt, and many many more all have “membership in the Halifax Underclass” – Cool 🙂

  39. RSVPs (II)

    THEORIZNG THE TATTOO

    The “Parasite” has raised an interesting point, i.e., indicating the names of those who, while they might sport tattoos, are clearly not members of the Halifax Underclass. The concept of the tattooed Halifax Underclass therefore calls for further refinement, for greater theorizing. The following is an intial step in that direction.

    The tattooed Halifax Underclass is not a homogeneous concept. While all tattooed citizens of Halifax are usually members of the Underclass, all members of the Halifax Underclass are not necessarily tattooed. In other words, having a tattoo does not, “tourt court” as we say in French, consign one to to the Underclass. But is not to say that there are no criteria in terms of which such a member of the Halifax Underclass might be identified. Let’s start with geography, ie. the “Halifax” in the Halifax Underclass.

    Anyone in the region in Halifax who (1) has a tattoo and (2) lives outside the area closely bounded by the region immediately surrounding Dalhousie University (i.e. by the shores of the Northwest Arm) is, by definition, a member of the Halifax Underclass. Do you live on the wrong side of Citadel Hill? The wrong sdide of Spring Garden Road? Well, just don’t ask.

    I realize that this might upset some readers but so be it. You must face up to reality.

    I will articulate other criteria of the Halifax Underclass as they relate to the incidence of tattoos as they happen to arise in further contexts.

    A pleasure as always.

    Cheerio!

  40. I agree 100% with Tommy — if at 80, I have so little to regret that I’m regretting some tattoos, I’d say that’s the sign of one kick ass life 🙂

    I’m seriously thinking about getting my first tattoo when I’m in Toronto next month. I’ve been doing some searches and talking with an artist friend of mine. Still in the pondering stage — what to get and where to get it. So we’ll see! 🙂

  41. I usually pick the spot first so I know what shape and what curves will be there on the canvas.
    then, I find or draw something I like to suit the spot.
    picking the tat first usually relegates it to a certain spot or two… just because of shape and placement.

  42. THEORIZING THE TATTOO (II)

    My previous post dealt with the geographical aspects of the tattoo, i.e., its prevalence in certain regions of Halifax frequented by the members of the Halifax Underclass. While all such members do not have tattoos of course, all those who do are members of the Halifax Underclass. The tattoo, in other words, is uniquely emblematic of the Halifax Underclass. However, further refinement of the concept is required. For example, why do typical members of the Halifax Underclass get a tattoo?

    The typical member of the Halifax Underclass gets a tattoo because he (and of course, she) has “fetishized” his own body. Having no mind, for the tattooed one’s body is identical to one’s identity. But, and here’s the theoretically interesting part, one’s body may be conceived in different ways. I have identified three:

    1. The body as message board: Lacking any skills to articulate his “thoughts,” the tattooed member of the Halifax Underclass has his “message” tattooed in a prominent place, usually on the upper arm. The message, like his mind, is simple to the point of banality – “Death Before Dishonour,” that sort of thing.

    2. The body as “artistic” canvas: The body here is fetishized as the background of some sort of design. The point, however, is that the design is not that of the tattooed but rather of the tattooer. Lacking any artistic skills himself, the tattooed submits his skin to the tattooer who, of course, has obtained his designs from another source. The tattooed member of the Halifax Underclass is therefore twice removed from any sort of creative activity. He is totally passive, a plaything of the tattooer.

    3. The body as a source of evil: Here we go deep diving, psychologically speaking. Tattooing here is a branch of self-mutilation, in the same family as piercing and slicing. But why mutilate oneself? The only answer is that the tattooed member of the Halifax Underclass sees his own body as a source of evil, a source of temptation, that must be chastized, even humiliated. The design is usually in the form of mythical horror creature.

    So there we have it, Monsieur’s analysis of the significance of the tattoo seen both in sociological (i.e. class) and psychological (the fetishization of the body) terms. Yet again, another triumph of his analytical skills.

    A pleasure as always.

    Cheerio!

  43. I just don’t get it. Never will. It is like you are rejecting your body. It is a form of self mutilation. I suspect that the majority of tattoo bearers were abused in some way, as self mutilation is almost always symptomatic of abuse.

    The only needles that will ever pierce my skin are suture needles, and only if absolutely necessary. No drugs, no ink, no anything that is not supposed to be there.

  44. Been there done that….
    you don’t even have your ears pierced?

    and no rabies/tetanus/flu shots?

    well aren’t you ‘pure’ …

  45. “Been There Done That” I think you should change your name to “Been to some places, did some things”

  46. It’s not mutilation it’s decoration. People have been altering their bodies for ages. It’s really not that different from piercing your ears or dying your hair. It really doesn’t hurt as much as people think.

    Besides, tattoos are for pussies, of you want to be a real badass, you’ll cut into your flesh and rip up the skin to make your design.

    If you’re squeamish, don’t click it…

    http://www.geekologie.com/2009/06/19/nes%2…

    Did I say badass? I meant batshit insane.

    I can see scarification being considered mutilation. But I still consider it to be decoration. If you want to be philosophical about it, “In order to create, one must first destroy.” – Lame Facebook Status. It looks pretty sweet when it’s healed, not so much on white people, but have you ever seen the african people that do it?

    http://ian.macky.net/secretmuseum/congo_sw…

    http://www.uihealthcare.com/depts/medmuseu…

    See they’re less crazy because if I’m not mistaken they do it little by little with small cuts… and they’re more crazy because they do it to their little kids faces? Apparently? According to Google images? That’s fucked up…

    Or hey, you could totally brand the image into your skin like they did on jackass.

    http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/joy…

  47. Nah, “Been Everywhere, Done Everything, a Thousand Times” would be better.

    Look up adjuvants. Pure hocus-pocus. They have no idea what they are doing.

    Ears pierced? Why in the fuck would I add extra holes to by body? I’ll stick with just the ones I was born with thanks. Those ear discs and lip discs on modern non-tribal Caucasians look fucking ridiculous. I wonder when the neck rings will come into fashion with whitey? Probably never, as it is an African female mutilation, and as such has no use in the current sexual selection paradigm of western peoples. Male mutilations, yes, they seem to be common; a last ditch effort at competition, a dying gasp, it is pathetic. Note the near complete absence of self-mutilation in black men in North America.

    I’d be curious to know if there is a single example of “cosmetic” self-mutilation in the animal kingdom other than humans. I highly doubt it.

    How about the oriental bound feet thing? Is that cool too? Or what about the infant skull shaping deal? None of it is acceptable to me. They all represent a rejection of our humanity. Symptomatic of much greater societal ills.

    The other part of it that I find irrational is the defensive liability some of these body modifications represent. Nose rings? Don’t people know why nose rings are used in beasts of burden and bulls? For control. Huge liability those things are in humans. One could make a killing mugging such types in a big city. Rip nose ring out, take wallet, rinse and repeat.

  48. Actually, I find the scarring business much more acceptable than tattooing. There are no inks involved, nothing is added to the body. I also find it considerably more aesthetically pleasing. Big green blotches on white skin look ugly, patterned scarring on dark skin can look pretty cool.

    The other one I like is the detailed and temporary henna designs East Indian women paint on themselves for special occasions. That is attractive in my opinion.

    I guess what I’m saying is that if it is a cultural tradition for your peoples then it usually works out OK, where it falls down is where Caucasians try and do it too… it just does not work, and it represents a rejection of our own culture, a desperate attempt at sexual competition in a multicultural society.

    I’m pretty sure the Norse and Celts have no tattooing tradition. So why now?

  49. I’m with RC too in that I’d have to find a place that doesn’t show when work clothing is on. Not so much because I HAVE to, moreso because I WANT to. I don’t care if it shows when I’m wearing a smocked strapless sundress, for example, or even a tank to, but I’d like to keep the tats to myself when it comes to my professional life.

    As sexist as it may sound, I think men can get away with tattoos more than women can, for the most part when it comes to the approval from others (not like anyone needs anyone else’s approval, but you guys know what I mean…. aw fuck it, my brain is fried today. I’m logging off and going to the mall).

  50. Clarify a point there, will you smeghead?
    Is it only the tattoos of the Halifx Underclass (geographical location, I don’t qualify – poop) that are so disgusting, or is it all tattoos? The reason I’m asking, is that you’re backpedaling again.

    “Death Before Dishonour” – lolz, like you what ‘honour’ is.
    Do you even have an idea of the origins of that expression, or that several militarys have/are using it as a motto?

  51. Also,

    “I suspect that the majority of tattoo bearers were abused in some way, as self mutilation is almost always symptomatic of abuse.”

    People just keep on topping each others ignorant comments!

    Premise 1: Getting a tattoo is self mutilation. – no it’s not
    Premise 2: Self mutilation is a symptom of abuse. – only sometimes
    Conclusion: Therefore, people who get tattoos were most likely abused. – wrong

    Getting a tattoo vs. self harm? As someone who was never abused, self harmed for 15 years, AND happens to have a tattoo… I feel I can compare the two.

    You don’t know jack shit about self harm. People who self harm do not want other people to know that they self harm because they are extremely ashamed of it. They look at their scars and hate them, they think the scars make them look ugly and gross, so they hide them. They only harm parts of their body that they know will be easy to cover up (like their legs). And they do cover them up very well. Usually no one, not even close family and friends, has any idea that they self harm. And the vast majority of people who self harm do not get help because of their shame and guilt. If someone does see and ask about their scars they will make up an excuse to cover it up like sensitive skin or a rash or something. This is the opposite of a tattoo which in our culture is something to be proud of and displayed.

    Self harm is an extremely emotional, intimate, and above all PRIVATE matter; something they never do around or in front of other people, let alone have another person do it to them (It’s called SELF mutilation dipshit). The idea that someone would get a tattoo to self harm is ridiculous and nonsensical.

    Having someone else inflict the harm (if you can call a tattoo harm) defeats the purpose of self harm. It is not going to create the same calming effect that the pain of hurting yourself has. It’s about feeling in control of yourself, and in order for that to work YOU have to be the one controlling the pain, you have to be the one inflicting the harm. Self harm is just the superficial physical outcome of a much deeper internal problem.

    Besides, one tattoo is not enough to satisfy the need to self harm. This is something people do often every time they get overwhelmed, anxious, or stressed. No one is going to run out to a tattoo parlor every time they need to calm down. And one tattoo is not going to keep hurting afterward. Self harm is something that stays with people for decades, there just isn’t enough skin on the human body. But if they for example, cut, the cuts will heal and then they can cut again in the same area.

    Since tattoos and self mutilation are not the same thing, we can throw out your conclusion about how people who have tattoos are probably victims of abuse.

    But to be clear, past abuse is just a small factor in a whole arsenal of possible causes for self harm including mental illness, substance abuse, emotional/psychological turmoil, and genetics. Not often is only one of these responsible for self harm, it’s much more complicated than that, it’s usually a mixture. And abuse is not a requirement for it either. Many people who were never abused self harm. And many people who were abused never self harm. The reasons vary from patient to patient and since most people who self mutilate never get help (because of the crippling shame) we don’t have a big enough pool of cases to extrapolate something like “self mutilation is almost always symptomatic of abuse”.

  52. dude, you may have been there…maybe…… but you sure ain’t done squat.

    Please explain this to me… I’m dying to know how you came to this conclusion….
    “Note the near complete absence of self-mutilation in black men in North America. “

    With all your inane chatter, you come off as more of a self-praising, idealistic tard.
    Plain and simple.

  53. I just don’t see you can say that you’ve “Been Everywhere, Done Everything, a Thousand Times” when you’re so against things like tattoos and even ear piercings and drugs. I’m not saying drugs are ‘cool’ or anything but usually people who say they’ve done or tried everything are a little more open minded. So, what, you’ve like climbed a mountain and ate goat brains or something?

  54. MM and Been there, no matter how many words you type on a message board people are going to exercise their freedoms.. seems a waste to spend so much time trashing/discrediting something. You don’t like tats, don’t get tatted… next!

  55. It’s interesting how people without tattoos seem to know so much about people with tattoos and their motivation for getting them.

  56. “I guess what I’m saying is that if it is a cultural tradition for your peoples then it usually works out OK, where it falls down is where Caucasians try and do it too… it just does not work, and it represents a rejection of our own culture, a desperate attempt at sexual competition in a multicultural society.”

    Noted, tattoos are not part of the culture of white people.

    Your idea of what culture is seems to be, how can I put this gently? FUCKED UP.

    When white people get tattoos they aren’t doing so because it’s part of their own culture but because they are trying to seduce minorities? Really? I’m not even going to touch on the “sexual competition” bullshit, I have no idea how that thought happened (concussion? mary jane? both?)

    Do you think that bikers tattoos are not part of the biker culture? What about European sailor tattoos? Or German skinhead tattoos? Or yes, even upper middle-class white North American teenage girl tramp stamp tattoos. It’s all culture.

    Culture is not necessarily dependent on your skin colour, and a culture doesn’t have to be of a minority or very old in order for it to be valid.

    Culture is fluid and ever changing. Incorporating a different culture into your own is not a rejection of your own culture. It’s just part of cultural change. Culture is not something that is stagnant. Be it by geographical location, trade, colonization, war etc. all cultures are constantly appropriating aspects of other cultures they come in contact with.

    And now we have the internets to thank for putting everyone in contact with everyone else, so people are mixing their cultures now more than they ever were.

    And how is that a bad thing? Sometimes the things that cause the cultural mixing are bad, like slavery, while the products of the cultural mixing itself are more often than not wonderful things that can birth entirely new sub cultures. For instance, it was Americans of African decent picking up European instruments that birthed a whole new genre of music, blues and jazz. It became part of their cultural identity, I doubt any of those early musicians would have thought that by playing a European instrument (in a way it had never been played before) they were rejecting their African Heritage. It was more of a rejection of the culture that fucked them over in the first place, and indeed some white people felt threatened by jazz at the time. OFF TOPIC!

    Or how about Japanese anime? It was exposure to American cartoon characters like Donald Duck that inspired the big eyed small mouthed features of the first ever anime character – Astro Boy! And now we have a whole new style of animation that is in turn influencing the animation styles and techniques of artists all over the world.

    Cultural mixing is a good thing, lets keep it up.

  57. RSVPs –

    THEORIZING THE TATTOO (II)

    : Tommyjules (1:30PM) – As usual you missed the point(s): (1) I am not against people for “exercising their freedoms” as you seem to suppose. My interest, as I thought I explained in my post “Theorizing the Tattoo (II” was disintedrested: it was simply an exercise in clarifying the habits of the Halfax Underclass. By their tattoos ye shall know them. (2) In the same way, I don’t “discredit” or “trash” the members of the Halifax Underclass: they simply are who they are and I simply observe their antics. Tommy, try to focus your mind. Pretty Kitty might be getting discouraged.

    : Cranky (2:39PM) – Must the cancer specialist have cancer in order to diagnose the disease? Try to reason logically, Cranky. Work with Tommy and focus your minds.

    A pleasure as always.

    Cheerio!

  58. “I wonder when the neck rings will come into fashion with whitey? Probably never, as it is an African female mutilation, and as such has no use in the current sexual selection paradigm of western peoples. “

    What the fuck do these words mean? Please explain!

    “I’d be curious to know if there is a single example of “cosmetic” self-mutilation in the animal kingdom other than humans. I highly doubt it.”

    How is this relevant? Please explain?!

    Actually, never-mind. Because comparing things like neck rings, bound feet, and wrapped infant skulls (all of which cause serious health problems and damage) to tattoos (which cause no lasting damage) is dishonestly comparing completely different things as the same. And pointing out that animals don’t self mutilate themselves for cosmetic purposes as a serious argument for your side… it’s so sad.

    I see it now, you are a simplistic black and white thinker who is not capable of recognizing the subtle (or even blatantly obvious) differences between two things (Like animals and humans! RAWR!). This has lead me to come to the conclusion that you aren’t very intelligent. So why bother shooting down your ridiculous points? Why indeed…

  59. yeah…
    like what other animal uses electricity and manufactured products to communicate world-wide?

    NONE?!?!?! well then they must be unnatural… and therefor bad.
    quick, someone turn off the internetz!

  60. So, you’re saying that as far as this discussion is concerned, you have the equivalent training and insight as a cancer specialist. really?

  61. well now, heated here or what? as i said in my very early on post, tats are not for everyone, and as one, who does not want one, i can safely say, IT’S MY CHOICE. to each their own. if you wanna scar your body, fine, go for it, but remember one thing, they are yours alone.
    you have no right or moral justification, to exponce your ideals on others. and if someone laughs at you, or points you out as a freak, well that is your lot in life. mm, i don’t think that is a real indicater of halifaz underclass, more like a circus event maybe? the real underclass would probly be those with a varying number of kids, with different dads, on ss, and just general fuck ups. re-evaluate your findings please.

  62. RSVPs

    THEORIZING THE TATTOO (II)

    : Cranky (6:33PM) – Do you know that you have dug a deeper logical hole for yourself, Cranky? You ask whether I have “the equivanent training and insight as a cancer specialist.” But I never said that. It was, Cranky, an exercise in analogical reasoning. Do you understand the phrase “analogical reasoning?” Probably not. With the intellectually impoverished one has to start at the beginning but it is boring. Have you consulted with Tommy yet to focus your mind?

    : Life Sucks (6:38PM) – Well yes, Sucks, I take your point about the numerous kids and the different dads but, as far as pure visuals go, tattoos trump the rest. I’m talking about encountering a tattooed member of the Halifax Underclass on Spring Garden Road and saying, “Oh, look! There’s a member of the Halifax Underclass!” before he turns into an alley to relieve himself against a wall.
    Do you understand what I’m saying, Sucks?

    A pleasure as always.

    Cheerio!

  63. Cranky – didn’t you know that annie won’t answer a direct question?

    annie – you used the ‘cancer specialist’ metaphor , don’t be such a whimp when it get turned around on you.

  64. Tattooing is just another form of art with the body being the canvas obviously. It (or body painting) has been part of the human experience for as long as humans have practiced art presumably. The reason I might presume this is that indigeonous cultures with little or no contact with modern civilization have been found to practise body art. These cultures mimic, in many ways, what is known about the earliest “modern” humans.
    Art is part of the human psyche, kids love to draw and colour, we put paintings on the wall and we put art on our bodies. It’s not everybody’s cup of tea and some might do it on a whim and regret it later but if one likes it and the tattoo has meaning for them, more power to them.
    Snoop, I have to say you are incredibly articulate and persuasive but one thing troubles me. You said something to the effect that you haven’t been abused for 15 years and have a tattoo. You’re not 15 years-old are you?

  65. What? I said:

    1) I was never abused

    2) self harmed for 15 years (that’s just a guess I only have a vague idea of when I started, now that I think of it it was probably less than 15 but… irrelevant)

    3) have a tattoo

    Was my sentence structure bad? I didn’t think it was that bad. I had the commas and everything did I not?

    Even if I did say ‘I hadn’t been abused for 15 years’ I could have still been abused for like five and THEN not abused for 15… making me older than 15… or something.

    ANYWAY

    I have a question for you Sir Trodon, why would me being 15 “trouble” you?

    I find this perplexing.

  66. No, I have no problems with 15 y.o.s (I was that age once myself). The second part was that if you were 15, you express yourself beyond your years, better than me and I would find THAT part troubling.

  67. you were that age last year, weren’t you?
    Either that or you express yourself far before your years, troodon

  68. RSVPs

    “THEORIZING THE TATTOO (II)”

    : Cranky May 23, 8:06PM) – An excellent point Cranky. Sometimes I wonder myself.

    – 8:29PM – Cranky, you don’t have any thought to waste.

    :troondog4 (10:28PM) – Troondog, you do a lot of presuming. In respect to body painting you write that “it has been part of the human experience for as long as humans have practiced art presumably. The reason I might presume this is that indigeneous cultures … mimic, in many ways, what is known about the earliest ‘modern’ humans.” Troon (may I call you “troon?”) if these indigeneous cultures ARE indigeneous by virtue of the fact that they have had “little or no contact with modern civilization,” how are they to be distinguished from the “earliest ‘modern’ humans” who, PRESUMABLY, also had little or no contact with “modern civilization”? In other words, Troon, if two things (indigeneous cultures and earliest modern humans) share a central common feature (little or no contact with modern civilization) are they not, culturally speaking, identical? Can you throw additional light on this, Troon? Would you do it now?

    A pleasure as always.

    Cheerio!

  69. Ah, what the hell, “So, you’re saying that as far as this discussion is concerned, you have the equivalent training and insight as a cancer specialist. really?”

    Casting all “analogical reasoning” aside just for a moment, lets get down and have a response to this and have you answer just how you know so much about tattoos and the people who get them.

    Dodge away.

  70. You’re very funny zZz. That said, I think they should limit internet use at the sanitarium.

    Monsieur du Montreal, I’m talking about anatomically modern humans (200,000 y.o. to present) as opposed to Neanderthal or Homo Erectus. Since I wasn’t around then, the similarities of their culture to the said indigeonous cultures of my previous post have to be based on some presumption.
    The aborigines in Australia might be a good example of what I mean. Earliest description of these people show a hunter-gatherer society with a deep reverence to the land and animals on it. This was reflected in their cave paintings ,very similar to the cave paintings of prehistoric Europe. They had body art, did the prehistoric Cro-Magnon Europeans? I presume.
    BTW The Aussie abbos acually predate those cave people of France and Germany (40,000 to 30,000 B.C.) The aborigines arrived on Australian shores about 60,000 y.o.

  71. Cranky I gave up on the holier than thou attitude of M.M., clearly he, knows everything about everything. I couldn’t possibly know any doctors or lawyers, but wait, if I’m part of that Halifax Underclass, shouldn’t I know plenty of lawyers to represent me in a court of law? I figure he knows so much about everything, tattooing, the culture, cancer, shouldn’t he be out saving the world, or at least educating us poor little souls who couldn’t possible know an ounce of anything about anything because M.M. knows it all.

  72. I bet MM is a Ginger and that’s why he’s always attacking the board.

    And Mister Thomas – I am very impressed with your comments lately!!

  73. PHILOSOPHY 101 (“Remedial Logic”)

    Sadly, some have taken issue with my thoughts as given in “Theorizing The Tattoo (II)” to which I would now like to respond. In general terms, my response is grounded in their failure of logical reasoning, whether conceived in deductive or analogical terms. So, if the following might sit down and take out their notebooks, the issue might be resolved in an “ogenblik”, as they say in Swedish.

    : Cranky (May 24, 11:04AM) – Puzzlingly, Cranky quotes himself (May 23) to the effect that I must have the equivalent training and insight as a cancer specialist to diagnose cancer if I claim to have an opinion on tattoos if I did not happen to have one. Cranky, of course, supplies no reasons as to why I am mistaken in doing so. But this is an exercise in simple analogical reasoning, (i.e., reasoning “as if”) of which it seems Cranky is innocent. Have you taken your notes on “analogical reasoning,” Cranky? Do you understand the concept?

    : Troon (12:06PM) – Relates a spell-binding account of the indigeneous inhabitants of Australia but misses my point which – are you listening Troon? – had nothing to do with these unfortunates. My point was logical. Your “distinction” between the Australian aboriginals and the “primitives” who had no contact with modern civilization is, as the saying goes, a “distinction that doesn’t distinguish” and, moreover, no anthroplogical theory can therefore be erected on its basis. Do you understand that, Troon? (By the way Troon, don’t trouble yourself about “Snoop” whom I have had occasion to spank previously in relation to the “cunt.” She is verbal but, unfortunately, incoherent.)

    : Skully (3:32PM) – Well, a typically unsupported attack on MM -“because he knows it all” – which, on reflection, realy does have a certain ring of truth.

    : Realchick (4:43PM) – Typically, in her superficial fashion, she ascribes my motives to being a “Ginger.” Actually, this is true in respect to the colour of my hair but not to my motives. Having said that, Realchick must be sent down for her incorrigible and irredemable superficiality.

    : Pretty Kitty (4:45PM) – “Ha, ha,” Pretty Kitty brays, “that would explain why MM is seemingly souless.” Now, Pretty Kitty, you know my next question don’t you: What exactly do you mean by a “soul?” I’ll be waiting, Pretty Kitty. Write back soon.

    A pleasure as always.

    Cheerio!

  74. Pretty much what we expected. A nice dodge and a lot of fluff. I am curious as to what you get out of this, though.

  75. RSVPs

    Philosophy 101 (“Remedial Logic”)

    :Cranky (8:39PM) points out that my reply to his question was pretty well what “we” expected, “a nice dodge and a lot of fluff.” Cranky obviously doesn’t understand my point which concerned a form of logic called “analogical reasoning.” It wasn’t a dodge or a lot of fluff, Cranky. That is just your impoverished understanding of logic in general and of analogical reasoning in particular.

    I don’t need to have a tattoo to “know so much about people who have them” (i.e., their class and psychology) in the same way that I don’t need to have cancer to know so much about people who do,(i.e., the fact that it is a very serious disease and that they are, to varying degrees, frightened). You do see that, don’t you Cranky? It is simply a matter of common-sense reasoning, commonplace even at the lowest levels of rationality (which I’m beginnng to think you have yet to attain).

    You ask what I get out of all this. Well, Cranky, I get a chance to correspond with intellectuals, with people like you. But, Cranky, I am curious as to why YOU are curious about what I get out of it. What are your reasons, Cranky? Do you have any? Can you articulate them, Cranky?

    A pleasure as always.

    Cheerio!

    P.S. It isn’t because of social delicacy that the “Parasite” doesn’t want “to touch this one.” Like Cranky, he is simply unable to grasp the concepts involved. Don’t write back.

  76. Yes, of course I do realize why, like a cancer specialist, a person does not have to be stricken with cancer to be an expert on the disease. Cancer specialists have medical training which allows them to diagnose and treat those with cancer.

    What I am getting at is what exactly your training and/or qualifications are that allow you to make insights on people with tattoos.

    Go on, answer the question.

  77. 80? Good luck with that OP. You’ll be long dead from ink poisoning. Now go fall on a pen.

  78. RSVPs

    Philosophy 101 (“Remedial Logic”)

    :Cranky (12:36PM) – You ask what exactly is my training and/or qualifications that allow me to “make insights” on people with tattoos. “Go on,” you frightenly add, “answer the question.”

    Well, Cranky, the formal answer comes from “inductive logic.” If I say, “The sun will rise tomorrow morning,” do I need special training and/or qualifications to make the claim? No. The sun has risen for countless millenia in the past and the principle of “constant conjunction” says that it will rise as well tomorrow. The same sort of experiential reasoning – “inductive inference – applies to those with tattoos.

    Donk (see above) is right in the sense that to ask for special training and/or qualifications to make the assertion makes no sense.

    Cranky, are all your observations on the world supported by such “special training and/or qualifications?” No, of course not. They’re based on life experience (sometimes called “common sense”).

    Any more questions like that Cranky, and I begin to charge.

    A pleasure as always.

    Cheerio!

  79. @Donairious…Yeah Moron, because there is no such thing as a reputable tattoo studio using clean needles…it’s uneducated idiots like you who breed ignorance….and since I’m 37 now I suppose you meant by the time I’m 38 I’ll be dead??

  80. Hehehehe…’inductive logic’ – inductive logic is a system of reasoning that extends deductive logic to less-than-certain inferences. In a valid deductive argument the premises logically entail the conclusion, where such entailment means that the truth of the premises provides a guarantee of the truth of the conclusion. – Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy.

    Except Sméagol’s logic works like this – I hang pictures with nails, so therefore all pictures are hung with nails.
    Penguins are black and white, old TV shows are black and white. Conclusion – Penguins are old TV shows.

  81. In the glorious words of our somewhat absent wheeliep…. this is what annie “gets” from posting his inane fluff on this board:

    FAP FAP, FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP…

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