To a certain individual who keeps applying to our company: when are you going to realize that you are not qualified to work in our organization? You have a Bachelor of Commerce, so that means you think you can just apply for our positions without experience? You’ve applied for administrative assistant positions every time they became available, which was about 4 times in a 2-month period. When we didn’t contact you, you would send your resume out to us again (assuming we didn’t receive it)! Now you’re applying for our customer service positions. Atleast, you could have stood to get a prescreening interview for customer service since you have some experience in that area, but your cover letter is… you know… not the greatest. We tend to lean towards candidates who can write a decent cover letter. Although you have no spelling/grammar errors, you in no way convinced us why you’re the ideal candidate! What I think you don’t seem to get is WE’VE HAD YOUR RESUME AND COVER LETTER ON FILE FOR THE PAST 4 MONTHS! We’ll contact you if something comes up, which will likely not happen. We’re required to keep your resume on our database for a certain amount of time. But if it were up to me, or the rest of the HR dept, your resume/cover letter would have been tossed already. There is really no way in hell you’ll even get an interview from us. Sorry. —Frustrated in the HR Dept
This article appears in Jan 27 – Feb 2, 2011.
So give them an interview, shut them down, tell them why, and they can sally forth with improved information and leave you the hell alone. I don’t know if it’s because I woke up cranky, but your bitch makes me irritated with you, not the determined little bugger trying to get a job.
I was worried this was about me until I saw the bachelor degree of commerce detail. Phew! Maybe I’m still in the running for the job I applied for (probably not but a girl can dream).
At least the idiot is trying. Since when do you need X years of experience to work as an admin assistant? Seriously, how are folks supposed to get any experience if entry-level positions aren’t available to newbies?
Seriously, how much experience is needed to be an administrative assistant? The vast majority of the knowledge and skills needed to effectively perform such a position can be learned on the job fairly quickly..
These kinds of HR departments are the reason why a lot of people can’t find meaningful employment. They ask for unnecessary experience and skills everyone knows they do not need! After finding someone completely overqualified to do said position they hand him/her wages no where near what they should be earning…
Just because there is an abundance of workers looking for employment does NOT mean you can ask for 10 years of experience to shuffle papers, book appointments and work a fax machine…
My business professor stated that it is discriminatory for someone to be denied a job for lack of experience. Personally speaking I think you, on should lose your job and be replaced by this determined person as they are demonstrating their eagerness to work there. Why I couldn’t imagine since it would mean working for a piece of shit like you.
Fuck OB, the guy is just dong what he was taught in his job-finding seminar.
Like the others say, let this person know that you are not interested, and stop wasting their time.
I have a feeling I’m going to be using this alot today.
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Someone with a Commerce degree has every right to apply to an admin. assistant position as well as a customer service position. My guess OP, is that you’re a fat chick who works in the HR department with a huge grudge against this applicant which has absolutely nothing to do with their job qualifications and you think because they picked on you in high school or once stole your boyfriend that you can now take advantage of your current position where you have some kind of “God complex” and can make or break this person in your company. I strongly dislike childish bitches like yourself OP!! Do your job and stop making things personal before your ass gets fired.
a b Comm should be qualified without experience for cust service and admin work. What is it with NS companies that ask for a uni degree for a job a HS grad could do. Go to Ontario or Alberta and you will get a better job than this with no experience. NS companies blow, and think they can demand the best even though the job doesn’t require it.
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if you have time to write this bitch, take another 5 minutes to respond to the applicant detailing the small steps they could do to improve their cover letter and application, also reminding them that once they have made the changes they can send you 1 copy and you will save it on file and will not need more for future applications regardless of the position. putting this in a bitch doesn’t help anyone.
my mother told me this over and over…
send them a resume. if you don’t hear back in a week, send them another one and call…
and keep on until the company realizes that it’s them the person WANTS to work for.
If someone is so inclined to keep heckling the HR dept, they’re likely wanting to stay and work for your company for years on end.
THEY WANT TO WORK FOR YOU..BADLY… I fail to see how that person is not the ideal candidate for at least an interview.
So true OP. I’m usually one of the first people into our office each day, so I thumb through the faxes to see what is for me, and of course I see the resumes. One I do notice is the same one coming through every few weeks….how do I know it’s the same one….the person put an awful band logo on the cover page. Our HR department files away all resumes that don’t make it past the pre-screening round, and those applicants that apply multiple times get their resumes time-stamped multiple times, which makes the applicant just look desperate, and no company wants a desperate employee. Most resumes stay on file for 4-6 months, so applicants should wait until that period expires before resending.
and that’s how never to have a decent person working for your shitty company.
i have seen people apply for jobs, they should never have gotten, and others with too much education for other jobs, but were trying to find work to pay bills. remember, you could be in that position someday o.p., and i hope to fuck, they take the same approach to you. it would be called irony.
I’m an administrative assistant, luckily with 7 years’ solid work experience under my belt BEFORE pursuing my own Bachelor of Commerce degree. Not all admin. assistant jobs are alike. It depends on the type of company, the size, etc. A lot of the time you’re given work that goes above and beyond the traditional administrative scope. You have no idea how often these companies get inexperienced “newbies” who end up walking out because they didn’t know how to juggle 7 phone calls, format an excel spreadsheet, consult a client on the preliminary details of their file, and keep things filed straight. Experience counts, and it would be nice if people realized most of us aren’t just glorified receptionists.
Seb’s wrong as per usual….
if I was your boss at work and found out that you bitched about this topic on this site,I would have fired your ass on the spot,never mind bitching about an applicant!That’s YOUR job at a companies’HR dept.,to select the right person for the right job and if you happen to get repeat resumes from one person,then rise about it and toss it in the garbage instead of focusing on it!How childish is that!
Also, I took a year-long program at NSCC for office administration, it was quite good.
so, tralala, where does one gain this thing called.”experience,”, if you can’t get a job to start it off? hmmmmmm, did that little thing escape your gigantic brain? some fucking companies need workers at the entry leval, no one starts at the top, and if you have no skills, then you are fucked, as usual. re-evaluate your comment please. if person was an idiot, then i would suggest running for mayor. no experience or mentality needed. shit, the perfect job for me then, tata, off to drop off my resume.
Life Sucks, no need for the scorn, not sure where it might be coming from.
FYI there are some administrative jobs that would be better-suited to the newbie. I would recommend that he register with a temp agency who can help him find a more simple position that would give him some experience. Temp agencies do accept university grads as well.
An HR person complaining about job applicants?
ts like the fry guy complaining that he has to waddle out back to the walk-in to grab another bag of fries.
The nice thing about having a BComm degree is that, even if the grad does have to start at the very bottom rung, they have the ability to move up the career ladder.
I was JUST going to say, Cranky…
If this bugs you SO much, OP, I know about 100000 unemployed or underemployed HR professionals who would love to take that job off your hands.
You fucking douchetard.
“My business professor stated that it is discriminatory for someone to be denied a job for lack of experience.”- cuja12
Then your business professor is a moron & you should ask the uni for your money back..
PK: ‘douchetard’– Love it!
Actually, Buck, I think that sort of rings a bell…a faint memory…maybe I’m just imagining things, though.
Just because you don’t like the look of a fucking piece of paper, doesn’t mean the person shouldn’t be given a chance. OP you are absolutely in the wrong job, & so is the rest of your dept. IF you’re going to be Human resources, surely by now you’ve realised ALL HUMANS ARE DIFFERENT.
My mother had a perfcet saying about you, & those like you.
Never judge a book by its cover, judge it by the contents.
None of us here have any idea what type of person with the so-so cover letter is actually like. But we all know you & those you work with, are assholes, who won’t even give an eager , possibly OVER eager individual a chance…fuck you,
the only person who really IMO has a right to bitch about this, is the poor schmuck you’ve decided to discriminate against !
More, as part of my “exit program” from the military, there was a job hunting seminar, it was repeatedly stressed that presentation is a huge part of a CV.
HR people take about 30 seconds per resume, for the first read. They look for Kontent, spellin, and gramma;D
Jesus, at least they’re trying to get a job. That’s more than can be said for a whole lot of people. Why don’t you just send them an e-mail saying, “Thanks for your application but we’ve filled the position. We’ll keep your resume on file if any jobs open up in the future.” and be done with it. I hate how some companies don’t let you know if you didn’t get the job, a rejection is better than being ignored. I’d rather someone tell me I didn’t get it then be kept hanging like that. What excuse is there for that now that we can send mass e-mails out anyway?
“My business professor stated that it is discriminatory for someone to be denied a job for lack of experience.”
Your professor is not a lawyer.
Hey Hugo
I remember how I got hired to my job…which was an entry level position into the Entertainment Industry,working with Stage & big Screen Performers. I showed up the morning of the show & the lead hand asked me how strong I was … I lifted him off the ground with one arm ~;) I got the job.
I was one of the 4 guy’s who unloaded the trucks ! We weren’t even allowed to open the cases or go up on stage…we just unloaded & loaded trucks.
But it was a start. I can see wanting wonderful glowing cover letters, recommendations & a solid education if I was applying that day to be the head lighting designer, a stage carp, or lamp op, or one of the riggers,or other position which requires experience as well as skills. But to unload the damn truck. IMO, my way was to the point.
As many others posted, too many stuck up shitstains in jobs like the HR dept. want those who are trying to get hired into entry positions
to be able to rival Einstein, & be the finest person on the planet.
Give a person a chance, if they don’t work out, have the guts to take them aside , explain why it isn’t working & let them go. At least you gave them a shot, Here I am almost 30 years later & I’ve hired & I’ve had to fire those who just didn’t work out. There are some good people I work with who’s cover letter wouldn’t be legible, but they can do math & read drawings, estimate a job as good if not better than some who’ve joined us with university education in the arts.
It is surprising actually how many people who are have all kinds of education, do GREAT on paper tests, & can retain facts I’ve forgotten….but in practice they’ll tip the forklift over, if they don’t run someone over with it first !
Lol, cool. Walking into a job site is definately a good way to get noticed.
And yes, I agree. There is a big difference between education and ability, there’s phd’s out there that I wouldn’t trust to bake a cake 😉
In today’s competitive job market, you need to stand out, in a good way.
OP’s post is impressively unprofessional. If OP was on my staff, I’d invite them into my office for a quiet chat to consider options.
..so when can I start? 🙂
OP, cunttards like you are the reason why it’s so fucking hard for uni-grads to get their foot in the door in HRM. What was so not-great about this person’s cover letter anyway? You said so yourself he/she had experience in customer service, so why no prescreening?
I agree with the commenters on here stating that this person is applying for positions in your company a zillion times because he/she really wants to work for YOU. zZz is right- that makes them interview material at least.
There are such ridiculous standards for obtaining employment in NS. Many companies (likely including the co. the OP works for) require you to have 2-3 years of experience for just their ENTRY-level spots! What.The.Fuck. On top of that, they don’t pay much more than what McDonald’s pays to flip burgers.
Also, you may have 6 out of 7 of the skills/qualifications they prefer, but if you don’t have that 7th one, there goes your prescreening opportunity! I have well over 5 years of customer service experience, and have been just denied an interview opportunity for a customer service rep. position of a certain company. I had all the skills they’d asked for. My only problem was that my customer service exp. was in a different work setting–I assume that’s why I couldn’t get an interview…
Oh an another thing, OP, how did YOU obtain this position in the HR department? It doesn’t look like you’re very good at your job, so my guess is that the owner of the company you work at is a close relative of yours.
buck you are a moron, and on that note, it IS discriminitory to not hire someone based on experience. legal action HAS been taken in the past and the victim awarded nicely. the HR person in this case is totally unprofessional. an embarrasment to the company that she works for. and should be fired. in fact if i found out where she worked id definitely boycott it and ask to speak to her manager or boss. how can anyone, especially young people get experience without actually doing the job. thats what OJT is for. I know someone who showed up every day to a business to see if there was any work….every day for weeks, finally someone called in sick and work needed to be done…the guy has been there for the past 18 years. HR is bullshit.
cunttard…i like it. some times just showing up everyday, ready for work is all it takes. after reading about some of the awful work situations, i now know why you guys hate mondays
OP, your bitch is absolutely groundless.
The applicant is just doing his/her due diligence when it comes to looking for work.
If you have NO interest in hiring this person, you need to act like the HR professional that you clearly think you are.
Let them know that “sorry, this position has been filled” (better still be honest and explain why you don’t think they would be right for this position).
Seriously, if you’re too lazy to do send a quick, 5 min email to end your irritation, then STFU already.
OP you have aroused my curiosity.
Do you work for NASA?
sounds like he dodged a bullet. What kind of pussy, unprofessional dog and pony show are you running where members of HR (for fuck’s sake..) are dropping hints in a bitch column instead of standing on their own two balls and telling the poor fucker upfront why he’s not being hired?
I wish i knew who you were.. just so i know NEVER to fucking apply for anything at your company.. nor offer you any business in the future.
I hope you get outed. And lose your job. You don’t belong within 500 feet of any HR department in the free world.
Fucking shame on you.
I got my first ‘real’ job at a small town restaurant when I was 14 by showing up once a week or so and ‘bugging’ them. They wouldn’t hire me, they said, because I was too young. Of course, once I told them I would work for half of minimum wage, they hired me no problem. Totally illegal, unethical, etc., but, once I got my foot in the door and got some experience, I made them pay me the same as the other servers. I got my next job because I knew someone on the inside. Frankly, I suspect I got through quite a few doors (although I had no experience or training) because I was pretty.
(Unlike More, I didn’t hug any guys to get a job, though, lol.)
I would think the persistence and optimism of the applicant would be admired rather than condemned.
L O L hey Kim…I didn’t hug him.
In the late 70’s Jean jackets were what many people wore as work wear. The Leadhand had a denim jacket on, I simply took hold of his coat, & gently lifted him off his feet. I was 20, I was also 6′ 1 & weighed 240+ & I had a flat belly & was able to lift a couple hundred pounds with little effort.
AH…the good ole days, damn getting old sucks !
If I tried to pick up a couple hundred pounds today…all I’d probably accomplish is to put my back out !
It sounds like this person with the B.Comm is more qualified than the whole of the HR department of this unnamed company. I wonder if upper management is aware of your poor reruiting practices.
OP you’ve painted a lovely picture of yourself in my head….you’re probably between 40-50 years old and got your job back in the day with just a high school diploma because it’s your husband’s or brother-in-law’s company. You think getting paid to sit your lazy ass at a desk all day is perfection. You see all the new youngin’s around you as pieces of dirt on your worn-out, discount store shoes and get kicks out of denying young university grads jobs because they got to go to university and you didn’t. You enjoy long walks in the mall with your gal pal Carol and commenting on the choice of clothes of everyone you see (while not noticing the hot pink post-it note stuck on your bum!).
I dunnno…that’s just what I see in this brain of mine, lawwl.
Obviously the guy is keen to keep sending you CVs, so interview him. If he’s that keen and determined, imagine that determination could somehow turn into your company’s asset, and if it doesn’t, well you gave him a shot. Also, have the decency to acknowledge receipt of his resume – that would be the polite thing to do, rather than bitch about it in the Coast.
is this the call centre in Bayer’s Lake? I’d let money ride on this one. Seriously HR Department get a fucking life. Let the person know you’re not interested . You are not fucking upfront about it now are you? What does this say about your company? Say hi to “M” in HC department for me. I’m damn sure I know who you are OP.
Cuja12… I’d like you to cite some specific evidence/ cases in support of your position. Employers regularly decline to interview candidates who lack “experience”, in their judgement. It is clearly a management right to set reasonable qualifications and detemine which applicants can demonstrably meet those qualifications. Sometimes, it has been found that management’s declaration “lack of experience” is a mask for other prohibited grounds of discrimination, but I’m not conviced that under CANADIAN law, your basic position holds..
BTW… bad profs say lots of things that they think to be true or wish to be true, but are in fact, not true…
cuja12 you are a moron, and buck is not a moron. When it comes to being a moron in fact, cuja12 you take the cake. If you applied to my company for the position of moron, cuja12, I would hire you based on your obvious experience. In fact, if there were a group of morons with masters degrees degrees in moronics and you had a no formal education, I would certainly hire you without interviewing any of the other moronic hopefuls.