Here’s my two cents inspired by Remembrance Day: All wars are wrong. If you’re on the winning side, you wrap yourself in a country’s flag and blindly follow the hype—but if one has a mind and is critical of one’s country, you’re deemed unpatriotic. This twisted logic might have the majority of Canadian people fooled, but the ones with the brains will always oppose what is always an evil choice. —halifaxmentor
This article appears in Nov 11-17, 2010.
All wars are wrong. – agreed.
Elsewise, you’re a puerile moronic imbecile, with absolutely no grasp on reality.
Fucking useless, first year, human studies dimwit.
Just say that to yourself next time someone attacks you. And yes we were attacked along with many other nations on that day when our citizens and citizens of other countries were killed. Not to mention if we had that attitude we would be speaking German and greeting people with one arm salutes. Thanks but no thanks.
The point of Remembrance Day is not to glorify war. It certainly is not a time to rally a country around war. Rather it is a time to reflect on the atrocities of war and the loss and devastation that war brings. The very things that make war so evil. If you had a brain you would realize that.
The freshmen have found the Bitch Board!
Let me fill in the rest of your first year at Kings.
-Culture of Rape
-All Free-Trade is bad.
-Industrial-Military Complex
There! First semester is done!
wlyb❥
Spoken by a true trust fund neo hippie douchebag who undoughtedly posted this from their blackberry or iphone. Fuck you, both of my grandfathers were in France ensuring that you never have to speak German. Nobody wants to go to war, but sometimes it is necessary, and I for one am glad and thankful they did. I enjoy the freedom that all those brave people have fought to give me. Have a little respect on the one day that inspires it.
All wars are bad? I don’t think going to war with the Nazi regime was bad.
It’s real easy to call war bad especially when you have no other solutions.
Matthew Luthor, they don’t teach you those things in your first year at King’s (or at any point really), unless you think explicating and analyzing Homer, Montaigne, and Kant is a covert act of political and cultural subversion. Get your facts in order.
In any case, I would agree with the broad orientation of these responses. I am always reminded of one of John Updike’s insights in On Not Being a Dove, his essay about his (complicated, somewhat agnostic) views on the Vietnam War:
“The protest, from my perspective, was in large part a snobbish dismissal of Johnson by the Eastern establishment; Cambridge professors and Manhattan lawyers and their guitar-strumming children thought they could run the country and the world better than this lugubrious bohunk from Texas. These privileged members of a privileged nation believed that their pleasant position could be maintained without anything visibly ugly happening in the world. They were full of aesthetic disdain for their own defenders, the business-suited hirelings drearily pondering geopolitics and its bloody necessities down in Washington.”
Or alternatively, the insights of George Orwell in On Pacifism:
“Pacifism is objectively pro-Fascist. This is elementary common sense. If you hamper the war effort of one side you automatically help that of the other. Nor is there any real way of remaining outside such a war as the present one. In practice, ‘he that is not with me is against me’. The idea that you can somehow remain aloof from and superior to the struggle, while living on food which British sailors have to risk their lives to bring you, is a bourgeois illusion bred of money and security. […] I am not interested in pacifism as a ‘moral phenomenon’. If Mr Savage and others imagine that one can somehow ‘overcome’ the German army by lying on one’s back, let them go on imagining it, but let them also wonder occasionally whether this is not an illusion due to security, too much money and a simple ignorance of the way in which things actually happen. As an ex-Indian civil servant, it always makes me shout with laughter to hear, for instance, Gandhi named as an example of the success of non-violence. As long as twenty years ago it was cynically admitted in Anglo-Indian circles that Gandhi was very useful to the British government. So he will be to the Japanese if they get there. Despotic governments can stand ‘moral force’ till the cows come home; what they fear is physical force.”
Got our first Chomsky book, did we?
I have family who served in World War1 and 2, and family serving now as well as friends who have served in our recent conflict(one of them losing his two legs after some fuck blew up his G-Wagon in Afghanistan).
I’m close to being a pacifist, except I know through actually talking to people who have been in the shit, (and not just taking university courses and sipping espressos with their buddies) that sometimes we have to fight. Yes, killing is bad. Dying is worse.
commander ivan, where are you? nous avons besoin de l’aide^^
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And there’s your second semester.
Have a beer for me in the Wardroom.
“The black and white photos of old HMCS ships that line the Wardroom walls aren’t merely on display because we think they look good. King’s has a history deeply rooted in the Navy, one that dates back to the Second World War.
The Royal Canadian Navy required more training facilities during the war and universities and colleges were called to the plate. In May of 1941, the University of King’s College contributed to the war effort and officially entered into military service. The campus, transformed into a military unit, was used as a place of instruction for sailors before they were shipped off to various appointments. The school was known as a “stone frigate.””
Oh,oh!
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” –
— Edmund Burke
It’s as true today as it was then.
Remembrance Day is for honouring veterans of wars like WWI, WWII and Korea. What I don’t like is how it’s now used to further sell this BS war in Afghanistan and weakly try and entice more people to accept the conflict as legitimate. You can’t compare vets of WWII to the Afghanistan troops and when people do so I take it as an insult to my grandfather and uncles who served in a real war.
Guess I can go stand in front of our troops now.
I don’t think our soldiers would give a fuck where you stand Fat – just so long as it’s downwind. Questioning our role in the world is your right as a citizen. So is blowing methane on subjects you clearly know nothing about.
I suppose we could have ignored the Towers in the same way Chamberlain ignored Hitler. Imagine what would have happened if we did nothing. That would have given them carte blanche to blow up anything they wanted. But hell, what is a few thousand people including Canadians.
I’m with you on this fight Tim, but in the interest of historical accuracy, Chamberlain didn’t ignore Hitler. He recognized that Britain’s aerial defences were not yet ready and in this he was fully supported by Air Marshall Dowding, the head of Fighter Command. The sacrifice of Czechoslovakia at Munich gave the British time to complete the line of Chain Home radar stations as well as equipping the majority of front-line fighter squadrons with Hurricanes & Spitfires plus a pool of trained pilots. Dowding also stood up to Churchill who wanted to send Spitfires to the defence of France. He recognized France was a lost cause and the planes & pilots would be need for the defence of Great Britain.(This will be on the mid-term >; )
As far as the suggestion that there is anything significantly different between our soldiers serving in Afghanistan and those who fought in the 2 World Wars and Korea – this would be risible were it not so fucking offensive. The difference lies in the nation. In 1914 and 1939 – the nation was at war. Right now – our soldiers are at war, the nation is at the mall and the liquor dome.
our military history nerd^^thank you commander for storing this information. herp a derp derp bleep bloop
I don’t give a fuck where the current soldiers stand either, Ivan. It’s not because of them that I have the right to have my own opinions. OOoh, so I know nothing about war. Being a former service member doesn’t make you a scholar on the subject either. I can easily conclude that you blindly support something merely because you were a member using your logic.
No political party owns Remembrance Day. Oppose the war all you want, just support our vets, past and present. Men and women of the CF are not all fans of Stephen Harper et al (or any other party in power during a conflict). They may or may not agree with our involvement over there but when they are told to go, they go – because they have sworn to serve the government that was democratically elected by the population, and that is exactly what we take a minute to remember on Nov 11th: the selfless service of the thousands who put their country’s interest before their own. Whether or not you agree with the conflict they served or lost their life in is completely beyond the point.
…and it’s not like the Canadian population was always unanimously in favor of our participation in WW2 either, Fat. For many people at the time this was Europe’s conflict, and we shouldn’t have gotten involved. To many, your grandpa was fighting a BS war, too.
Hitler was a much bigger threat than “Al Qaeda”, Frenchie lol. Oh wait, Al Qaeda isn’t even a threat…
I’m well aware that the west didn’t care for WWII. I’m also well aware that the Nazi flag was waved proudly in the US before they got involved with it.
I’ve never served NGF and I have my doubts about the mission everytime one of our soldiers comes home dead or injured. I take your opinions about our soldiers as seriously as your opinions about Israel or sebastian. We’ll just have to agree to disagree and since I don’t have children I needn’t unduly fear you setting off an I.E.D. (Improvised Explosive Donair) outside their daycare.
Shalom. >: )
Hahahaha, Israel and sebastian. LMAO. Thanks, Ivan, that was good for a hoot.
That’s why they pay me the big bucks >; )
very gentlemanly, gents. keep it going^^
And my ‘big bucks’ are tax-free 😀
As Stewie said to the black guy at Gettysburg – “You’re Welcome” LOLZ
Ivan, your right. Chamberlain didn’t ignore Hitler, he did something worse. Appeasment. So NGF, exactly what should have happened after the Towers. BTW NGF they didn’t get over here because we kept them over there. The only Axis military that made it to North America were POWs. Hell they couldn’t even construct any viable intelligence units.
Well, there was the U-Boat crew that set up the automated weather station in Labrador…but you are correct Tim. U-Boats came up the St.Lawrence but the Nazies never came close to threatening our territory.
The crowning irony is that Churchill made political capital over Chamberlain selling out a sovereign nation to appease a bloodthirsty dictator. Then he proceeded to give 1/4 of Poland to Stalin at the Tehran conference. Appeasement, like war, may sometimes be a necessary evil but it never fails to leave a bad taste.
I just love when modern forces take credit for my “freedom of speech.”
Bro Tim: there’s U-Boat wreckage in Sydney Harbour, dude. I’ve read that some wrecks may even be around the mouth of Halifax Harbour. After the Towers? You mean that terrible inside job where a passport magically survived all that catastrophe? I dunno, how about a REAL investigation?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I LOVE YOU, MATTHEW LUTHOR.
war is wrong, and all polititions are right. did hell just freeze over. oh sorry, that was meant for something else. but yes, war is never the right answer. let the big mouth big shots go head to head, in an arena of doom. bet the u.s. of assholes would back down, every fucking time.
The War of 1812 wasn’t bad.
NGF I never said there weren’t U-Boats. But any attempt of espionage was pathetic compared to the Allies. There was never any invasion of North America.
Modern forces do not take credit for “freedom of speech” but they sure as hell help to maintain it.
Don’t tell me you are naive enough to believe the US government blew up the building. If you had any idea of demolition then you’d know it would take months to rig it. Not to mention sneaking it in without anyone noticing.
As for the passport? A lot of weird things have survived fires and explosions. People just love a conspiracy.
I get you now about the U-Boats.
Modern forces do and wil take credit for freedom of speech. I’ve heard it verbally and read it in text. At the same time I refuse to believe that they keep me “free” by fighting the Taliban. Personally I don’t think an Afghani – or any Arab – is a threat to my safety or freedom. That’s just me though.
And I never once said it was the US Government who destroyed the towers. That’s where people come up with the “anti-conspiracy” stuff; they always say, “I dont believe the Americans could do that to their own people.” Never is it said that “the American government is behind this.” Instead the ol’ faithfuls quickly use that as a defence. While we’re at it, don’t tell me you’re naive enough to believe that planes took them down and that jet fuel vapourized the planes and everything in the towers creating a fire that weakened the structure in under an hour. So many things do not make sense and some explanations straight up defy physics.
And the passport somehow escapes a vapourized plane and lands on the ground near ‘Ground Zero’? That toally makes sense through coincidence if coincidence was a legitimate reason. Thousands of tonnes of steel and flesh are lost in seconds but a document made of paper survives all of it. Doesn’t make sense to me.
Not arguing with you but just sayin’.
Then you haven’t looked into how the towers (and most skyscrapers of that era) were constructed. They were not designed to take the weight of a 767 (400,000 lbs, est) ith almost full tanks (remember they were to go to L.A.) and add to that the explosion and fire. This has been explained a multitude of time by engineers, architects, and demolistion experts. But as usual there are some who refuse to accept and yet cannot come up with any other reasonable explanation.
Now think of what you just said. You said it wasn’t the government then someone else would have had to rig the buildings. Again, the amount of explosives needed and the amount of time it would take would make it impossible. And remember you’re not rigging one building but three. And all through this time, nobody notices? Not the police, security, maintenance, or the thousands of workers?
Not everything has a pat explanation (ie the passport). Since it is not known where it was originally (a pocket, a briefcase, a piece of luggage), it may be just an unanswered question.
I think that dragons brought down the towers!
Prove me wrong!
As well, when the shuttle blew up on re-entry, “Live Worms Found in Shuttle Debris”
http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/sts10…
I think a passport could survive.
OP_
You’re right, war is wrong. Sadly, as long as humans walk this earth, there will be wars. Why? Because we can’t seem to get along for whatever reason. Each country is run by egomaniacs who think their way is better than the others, and they feel the need to enforce that way.
Remembrance day is not about the wars, it’s about the people who died believing they should protect the people within their country from those that were trying to take something from us. They believed in this so strongly that they were willing to give up their lives for strangers. Would you do the same? I doubt it.
You have the right to your opinion. But, just remember that because of those who died fighting for our freedoms, you can voice that opinion without fear of imprisonment, torture or death. Some countries don’t have that luxury.
yeah, all wars are definitely wrong. Especially that WWII thing: allowing the Nazis to take over the world would have definitely been the moral thing to do.
Why Iraq then, BT?
Because Hussein’s mustache belonged in a Greenwich Village bathhouse circa 1978.
Worst case scenario, I would rather speak German than end up being sodomised, forcibly circumcised, converted and having to learn Arabic!…
Again – Greenwich Village, 1978 a lovely little place called “The Coal Mine”….
Matthew Luthor, I’m not sure why you’re explaining the well-known military history of King’s College to me unless you think I took the sort of anti-war position voiced by the OB. If you had read past my comment to you, it’s pretty clear that I did just the opposite.
What a shame for the parents of all those American military men and women killed and wounded in Iraq. They will have to live out their lives trying to maintain the illusion that the sacrifice of their children to Bush’s War had some noble purpose when the reality is far different.
In that respect, they will have something in common with the parents of all those soldiers killed and wounded in Vietnam all those years ago. A few medals and a flag and, if they so choose, a rich Hollywood mythology to indulge in, a mythology about how they died ‘protecting our freedoms’ against enemies who ‘hate our freedoms’.
I can’t see anything worthwhile in the sacrifices made by soldiers sent to fight in Vietnam or in Iraq. Quite the opposite. Those soldiers were bit players in tragedies which visited tremendous violence and destruction on the civilian populations around them.
I hope Canada’s involvement in Afghanistan doesn’t end up amounting to the same thing.
An even bigger shame for Iraqi parents burrying their dead children over this fake war too, Commandante. I think dead children being killed over a lie is a bit more tragic than the death of some soldiers who are willingly killing unarmed civillians.
Back to Afghanistan Fat. Care to explain exactly how in the span of some 50 odd years the Canadian Armed Forces morphed (in your mind, at least) from being the honored warriors of WW2 and Korea to the Waffen S.S.? Because, as near as I can see, there is no scholarly basis to it – just bigotry. Pretty weak and feeble stuff at that.
Care to explain how the Taliban is a legitimate threat to us? You know, besides this whole bogus idea that the West is becoming “Islamacized” or some shit.
Plus there’s a lot of good PR out there.
Don’t answer a question with a question. As far as the West being Islamicized it’s not a big fear for me. Depending on your perspective we in the West are either too intelligent or too lazy to undertake such a retrograde step. Your repeated slurs against our military go far beyond simple opposition to whatever useless, self serving ass is parked at Sussex Drive so, again I ask you , what paradigm shift did the military make between when your grandfather and uncles served and today?
Slurs eh. So disagreeing with Afghanistan and the reason behind the mission (that we’re being told/sold) is a slur.
Whoa whoa whoa. Let’s leave Iraq out of this. Iraq is a strategic foothold for the Yanks, that’s why they’re there.
At least with Afghanistan, it’s mildly justified in that the disposed government was indeed an awful one. Unfortunately, the one we installed is just as awful.
NGF I suppose we could forget about the massacre of the Kurds (you know the use of WMDs, aka chemical weapons ire gas) and the executions of the populace for disagreeing with Saddam, including being fed to lions. The problem with that war was that it should have been finished in 1991. Papa Bush made the mistake of stopping. It should have gone to unconditional surrender. Saddam should have been taken out then.
As for the Taliban, they harboured and supported Al Quieda. You know the ones that took down the Towers and many other terrorist acts. Or did you forget about those?
usually, the type of people who go on and on and on about how all war is wrong, are the same ones who are killed off quickly and quietly when their country is invaded….the “literatti” are the ones who are supposed to be so much better than any conflict, yet fascist regimes tend to pick those to go first. sure all war is wrong, but nothing gained in the previous 4000 years or so was gained without a lot of bloodshed. be happy you live in a country where you can spout off as a freely as possible without the worry of being dragged into an alley somewhere, beaten and shot to death.
Hyper-religious people are generally retarded inbreds or psychopaths. The US shouldn’t have had troops in Saudi Arabia and been giving weapons and welfare payments to the Israelis in the first place. There’s a reason Switzerland isn’t bombed all the time: they mind their fucking business and stay out of sandland.
Sodey wrong. Switzerland is surrounded by mountains but more importantly its banking is what keeps it safe. They’re called SECRET Swiis bank accounts for a reason. Plus every person is armed and a member of the militia.
As for the religious comment, I’ll ignore that as I see your display picture is a toilet seat with a hemmorhoid in it.
Sodey: The Swiss have made a fortune in playing both sides of a war. They just found a different angle for war to benefit them. They have yet to hand over all of the Nazi money that flowed into the country during WW II. They thrive because of moral ambiguity, not because they want to do the right thing. To me, that’s worse than actually not being a part of a war.
No Fat – as I said earlier questioning the mission is your right as a citizen. Suggesting that Canadian soldiers are running amuck and deliberately killing civilians despite all evidence to the contrary, stating that they have no place alongside veterans of other wars, and rejoicing in their deaths is beneath contempt (don’t make me go all Oldhand on you – LOL- you’ve done all these things). It’s not even a question of being unpatriotic – it’s delusional and puts you on the same intellectual level as the Rehburg bros.
…and for the third time I will ask you a very simple question raised by your own statements here.
What is so different about the Canadian soldier of today vs your uncles and grandfather and those with whom they served ?
Ivan and the other question that has never been answered is what should have the response to the 9/11 attacks been? I’d love to know.
Me too Bro. After the Soviet pullout the west left Afghanistan to, as Gandhi put it, “God or Anarchy” They got their bellyful of both. What kills me are those who cannot understand that when our forces kill civilians it is because they screwed up and they know it. The Taliban have no such restraint. They deliberately target civians, have killed far more of them than the coalition forces and when it comes to oppressing Moslems, they make the “Great Satan and their Zionist Stooges” look like rank amateurs. The last election may have had it’s flaws and it’s undeniable corruption but it also had 2 dozen women candidates and a voter turnout of nearly 70%. The last time Canadians turned out in such numbers was the late 80’s.
There’s a time for jaw, jaw and a time for war, war.
Uncork the bottle and bring the napalm out of storage and fry the taliban scum – make sure Layton isn’t having tea with Osama though.
Baz – Today is “Der Tag”, nein?. Let me guess, you and your co-workers have built a wooden vaulting horse and you put it in the same corner of the office every day and the goons have never suspected that you’re actually digging a tunnel beneath it and after last roll call tonight you go out under the south wire in your civilian clothes with your forged papers and ration coupons. Jolly good show, Old Chap.
Ivan – today is the big fuckoffski to my life as a working stiff. I’m being “lunched” and then it’s time to hop in the car and say ta ta toodle pip to the wage slave factory.
May clear weather and calm seas be your constant companions >; )
did they still give out gold watches baz?
A gold watch, hum I’ll be lucky if they don’t want me to pay for lunch.
teehee. me pa got a plaque unfortunately it’s signed by mulgoofy. mornin ivan, who is that?
Morning Painey – It’s Yoni Netanyahu – older, smarter brother of the current Israeli PM. He led the Entebbe rescue mission and died there. Although today he would probably be accused of “Ruthlessly violating the human rights of the 2 German Urban Guerillas and 8 Palestinian Freedom Fighters who just wanted to create dialogue on the issues of the Middle East by showing a bunch of Jews a good time in Idi Amin’s African paradise” *Snort*^^^
Sorry – irony should lightly etch a sentence, not hang dripping like Spanish Moss from every word. Garcon – more coffee. >: )
thank you for the information. there is a “new” arafat museum in the west bank^^
“Envy the country that has heroes; I say pity the country that needs them”
Okay – since I’m now quoting Matthew McConnaughey from “Reign of Fire”, if I was smart I’d go home and back to bed.
Unfortunately….. >: (
You know, Ivan, you remind me a lot of a guy I went to college with. I think you two would get along splendidly.
I hope that’s a positive Brendon. My mission statement was – to grow old without growing up – Mission Accomplished >; )
My epitaph will probably read something like:
“He played a good game of Trivial Pursuit and somehow managed to avoid getting his front teeth knocked out. Scree!”
Yes, that’s very much a positive thing, Ivan.
Kule – Us nerds Rawk >: )
OP: I’m sure that if in 2010, Troops come into your country, into your home, point guns to your heads, drag your loved ones out of your house onto the streets torturing, raping and murdering them in front of you, that you are going to preach peace to said people. I certainly don’t think you are going to be protesting the troops that are going out and fighting the enemy troops in order to protect you, to fight for the god dam freedom you have to be able to post your opinions about war.
War is a reality. It is not always the right route to take, but because humanity isn’t this nirvana of peace love and freedom that you so think comes easily, sometimes it is essential, for your protection.
Remembrance Day isn’t about advocating war, it’s about showing thanks and remorse to those people that went out and fought for your freedom to show them open disrespect. Without the deaths of these soldiers, you wouldn’t be able walk the streets so easily.
A huge part of promoting peace, and a huge part of why peace doesn’t work, is the respect that one human shows to another. Without that, we have no chance of peace. So take a sip of your own medicine, stop being so fucking hypocritical, and show some respect to the fallen soldiers who make it so that you can be the ignorant twat that you are.
My apologies to all of the repeated points I made in my comment, I just stumbled onto this bitch for the first time, and commented before reading all 73 comments.
“It’s not even a question of being unpatriotic – it’s delusional and puts you on the same intellectual level as the Rehburg bros.”
I never laughed so hard in my life since the first time I watched ‘Friday’. Thanks, Ivan. I seem to recall a group of CF killing an Afghani father and his two children last year or the year before. He was driving along and they opened fire on the family, who probably didn’t understand English or hear the orders to “stop”. That’s cold blooded murder, dude.
And the people in the CF that I know personally; all I ever see in their FB pictures are them drinking beer and hanging out doing fuck all. And some soldiers go as far as to refer to the kids as “fugees” and “sand brats”. That’s something I’m going to really support now.
Afghanistan is a fake war. If you think it’s legitimate that is fine but don’t expect me to think of the modern forces as actual heros when they are not. Taliban are not a threat to you or me or to the mod or to sebastian or to PK or anybody here. If you want to live in fear of an invisible enemy created by the media go right ahead. Dont’ expect me to fall for the military’s propaganda and BS.
I’d like to know how NOT supporting the military is delusional. That black and/or white attitude of the pro military folks just drives me nuts. Next thing I’m going to be told (again) that if I don’t stand behind our troops to feel free to stand in front of them. Right.
You know what, fuck it; I’ll just say it. The military is there being security guards for the TAPI Pipeline. Its not to bring democracy or free the women. It’s more than likely to be guards for the construction of that magic pipeline. But there’s no evidence of that so I’m being delusional and unpatriotic.
LMAO @ “unpatriotic.” That’s just fucking hilarious.
I told you once already – the question of being “patriotic” is irrelevant. I stopped thinking of myself as a citizen in the mid 90’s. Now I’m just another pissed off taxpayer. You still have not answered my question about exactly how our soldiers (as opposed to: the war, the nation, the government) are different from those who went before them. It doesn’t matter. Your friend PK has previously mentioned your M.O. and I’m pretty comfortable with that. It’s simply that at certain times a person makes statements that are so astounding that they require an explanation of the thought processes that led there.
I’ve heard people say things like “women who dress provocatively should expect to be assaulted”, “AIDS is God’s punishment on the wicked” “Aboriginals are a bunch of sullen, lazy , drunken welfare addicts” Every fibre of my being tells me to walk away in disgust but sometimes you just can’t help but put your hand over the flame. You know that debate is going to be useless but a part of you really wants to know where these ideas come from. It doesn’t matter in the long run. It’s like dog crap on the sidewalk. You know how it got there; you just have to ensure you don’t step in it.
Shalom >; ) (that means peace)
If patriotics are irrelevent then don’t bring them up. And dont’ try to preach to me about the bullshit and fake state that is Israel LOL. Like you walk away in disgust when you hear/see some things, I do the same when people preach to me about Israel. Peace. That means peace in rap slang.
You need to re-read my sentence until you comprehend it because I established that your attitude had nothing to do with being unpatriotic. It is nothing more than simple prejudice. And it is delusional to suggest that a couple of tragic accidents suggest a deliberate pattern of inflicting mass civilian casualties of the kind that the Taliban specialize in. Unless of course you have some evidence that Canadian soldiers are operating under some new kind of shadowy rules of engagement in which case you should probably inform somebody. This is the kind of scoop that the average CBC reporter or opposition defence critic would sell his mother into a Turkish seraglio to possess. (Assuming of course, that any self-respencting Turk would have her.)
Peace out, Dawg.
Ivan forget about it. NGF and the rest refuse to answer legitimate questions or avoid them by going off on tangents. The State of Israel was created by your vaunted UN. Ah the pipeline. Is that in the same place as Harper’s “Hidden Agenda” or maybe all the oil the US is stealing in Iraq? Three things always talked about and yet not one intrepid reporter can crack. Gotta love conspiracies.
Israel is a farce that doesn’t deserve to exist. There I go again being an anti-Semite.
So NGF what should have been the response to 9/11. We’re all waiting for your sage solution.
A real investigation, BT. Oh right, that’s already been done by your standards.
Can you produce evidence that angry Muslims were actually behind it?
Let’s see, that’s a very difficult question? Nope it’s easy. Videotape of the terrorists, cell calls from passengers and wait now there is one more little thing. Now what was it again. Yes that’s it. The terrorist leader not only admitting to it but taking great pleasure from it. Of course they are part of the conspiracy, right.
That leader who “admitted it” while being tortured?
Cell calls from passengers. I didn’t know cell phone technology was that advanced in 2001 that calls could be made from 30000+ feet in the air. The so-called terrorists cannot be that bad if they’re allowing people to talk on phones during a suicide/terrorist action.
And video tape produced by CNN? LOL. There was also “video tape” of Arabs “celebrating” that day which was later exposed as being file footage from incidents years before.
But that’s conspiracy if we don’t believe what the Bush Administration and Popular Mechanics claim. DEBUNKED!
Now lets hug like McCain and Bush did.
The ones dancing in the street seemed pretty happy – not angry at all. Are you sure we’re talking about the same thing?
That was file footage from years before lol. Way to believe in CNN, guys.
So NGF when did they get Osama and tortured him? I forgot there are no air to land phones on aircrafts. Just one of those figments of the imagination. And whoever said terrorists are smart? The get themselves killed. Videotape of the subjects in the airport getting on the aircraft.
They were firing their Kalashnikovs into the air soooooooo, it could have been a wedding reception, baptism, funeral, divorce finalization, world cup footy win, successful pizza delivery. O.K. point goes to NGF on this one.
Hahaha, when did Osama actually admit it?
Wow, so it’s wrong for me to “slur” the military but Ivan’s blatant racism is fine.
Have fun being afraid of brown people and women in hijabs, guys. In a way I kind of feel bad for you. See y’all later standing in front of the troops. After all it seems they do their best work killing unarmed civillians.
Cheerio.
I’m not afraid of women in headscarves or masks Fat. Unless they are standing in front of a school, hospital or Kosher deli. Then it’s just a simple matter of moving outside the potential blast radius. LOL. ^^^^^^^^
And when a Canadian soldier cuts off a child’s nose and ears because she wants to go to school, I may believe in moral relativism. Until then, keep smilin.
The words of a true western coward.
Hey, I only lived in Alberta for 10 years.
The Prime Minister made a speech on Nov 11 in which he announced that the Canadian mission in Afghanistan would be extended past the planned 2011 pull out.
He said Canadian troops would be functioning in a ‘training capacity’ only, staying on until the Afghan Army can handle security in the country.
As others have pointed out, that’s supposedly what we’ve been doing there since early in the mission. It’s obvious to many observers that the “Afghanization” of the war in Afghanistan isn’t working and has little chance of success.
I’m not really surprised. Both the Conservatives and Liberals, for mostly domestic political reasons, support extending the mission and I think the 2011 deadline voted on in Parliament was never intended to be implemented, public statements notwithstanding.
I can’t speak to whether the Canadian soldiers currently serving in Afghanistan are any different than previous generations of Canadian soldiers who served overseas, but I don’t think there is any comparison to be made between the conflict in Afghanistan and, say, WWII.
We don’t currently face the kind of threat we faced from the Axis powers, despite how the Americans have attempted to frame all this conflict as a “War On Terror”. The Americans made it clear, in both word and deed, that capturing or killing bin Laden wasn’t their main priority in going into Afghanistan, even though they used the 9/11 attacks as their main justification.
Whatever is going on in Afghanistan right now, it has little to do with capturing or killing Osama bin Laden, the perpetrator of the 9/11 attacks.
I’m betting that when the history is written, Afghanistan will be synonymous with ‘quagmire’, just like Vietnam. I’m also betting that the Taliban will be part of a negotiated settlement and power sharing agreement and NATO will quietly pack up and go home when nobody is looking and the dead Canadian soldiers will have given their lives for absolutely nothing and our presence there will have accomplished precisely ‘squat’.
NGF so who did it? Who planned it?
Fucking Truther Morans!
Bro Tim: my guess it was a cooperative planned out by the everyone’s parents, saucer people and reverse vampires. Certainly wasn’t the Taliban or Al Qaeda.
And Oswald never shot Kennedy, man didn’t land on the moon but of course bullets can curve around an obstacle and a .50BMG can kill you by whizzing by you.
That’s a nice circle you did. Magic bullet killed Kennedy of course.
And we all know man didn’t land on the moon. The Indians don’t own it so white America figured they had no point in going there.