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Since when is a consensual sexual relationship between two adults victimizing? Can’t trust males from now on in the classroom?? You know pro-rating a grade is VERY common and now special treatment right? Need policy changes on social media? Idk you don’t wanna talk to someone on social media maybe hit decline on this invite. Yes teacher and their own student being in a relationship is a conflict of bias..but i am not seeing the scandal of the victimization, unless you wanna get into the releasing of pictures of idk the prof without consent. —This is completely overblown and absurd
This article appears in Jan 8-14, 2015.
She’s a consenting adult, not a victim.
Fuck The Convent’s bullshit “code of conduct”, he’s guilty of shitting where he eats which is monumentally stupid, even by the exalted standards of academia.
It just had the bad luck to come on the heels of the Dentist Lynching so it winds up being thrown into that gallimaufry that society has christened mysogynystic rape culture.
Got a link?
http://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/msvu-instructor…
It’s an abuse of power. Fuck that guy.
this thing is going to turn into a dog’s breakfast. agree with ivan, I can’t see where anyone could cry victimization – but I expect great hurlings of he said-she said.
I would guess the camps are going to split like so:
she tried to break it off but he kept pushing and used his power over her grades to control her.
or
he tried to break it off and she went to the university because her ‘moral compass’ about the grade fixing bothered her. (or she was pissed he was getting back with his wife – which sounds more logical?)
don’t understand why his explicit selfie was ‘exposed’ in the way it was, unless gc thought the student was young. or if the text messages he was given were threatening.
A CONFLICT OF BIAS?
“Yes (sic) teacher and their own student being in a relationship is a conflict of bias…” This is completely overblown and absurd
Where a bias is to be understood as a prejudice, what can the phrase “being in a relationship of bias” possibly mean? Far from being in such a “relationship of bias,” a teacher being in a relationship with their own student, consensual or otherwise, is a violation of the fundamental principles of the teacher-student relationship. You must understand that a pedagogical relationship is distinct from a sexual relationship and the two should never be confused.
Behaviour permitting, you should be able to re-apply for re-instatement in the profession after having served an appropriate period of suspension.
A pleasure as always,
Cheerio!
I have less than no sympathy for the guy. Even if it was never his intent to exert influence over the woman (academic, psychological) he put himself in an vulnerable position which is just fucking stupid. If you’re a man, fucking in the workplace, and fucking subordinates is tantamount to drawing a target on your back and giving your p.i.n. to the rubbies on SGR.
agree ivan, that’s the rub. he was insane to do this – but how many people are going to sympathize because after all ‘a guy has no brains when it comes to his dick’.
I saw another link on that site of the woman being interviewed. She seemed more scorned than victimized.
Rightly so.
When it suited him, he was “separated and seeking divorce”. Then after he got his balls drained; all of a sudden he’s back to being married with children. The woman was probably pissed that she got used and tricked and all she got out of it in the end was a passing grade. I find it odd that she had to “think about it over the break” before lodging the formal complaint. Like she was feeling out whether he was gonna leave his wife to be with her or not. I think his reunion with his wife (if he was ever *really separated) solidified her decision to rat him out. When she was asked why she decided to come forth, she said it was “for the integrity of the school”. Come ON! Nobody believes that. Now his life is ruined. His career flushed down the toilet. How will he support his children now? Actually, hers was more of a position of power than his ever was!
It’s a common blunder – same old story… man gets caught thinking with the wrong head. Ladies, married men say they’re separated all the time and that they are seeking divorce. They aren’t. It’s the oldest lie in the book. And even if they are “separated; separated = still married. And even if they DO get a divorce — once the alimony and child support gets divvied up, trust me, the LAST thing on their mind is getting remarried or involved in anything serious after all that. Have some self respect and grab a clue. Same advice goes to the wife faithfully waiting in the wings, standing by her pudgy-faced man-child in vain while he rewards her with disloyalty and public humiliation.
GDM – about the same amount of people who will despise him for the same reason. See above.
well, I don’t think either party comes out smelling like lilacs.
he sounds like a horny fool and she sounds like a whiny fool.
what I meant was that many people hold men to a lower standard, while calling it justification. ‘you can’t blame him – a man has needs’ you can hear it in his interview. he said he was going through a bad time and someone showed him some attention, and it felt good, so he went with it despite knowing it was wrong. he is very sorry, and regrets it, but what the heck, it FELT GOOD at the time. and thus the idea that men cannot help themselves. you tickle their dick their brain turns to mush. I find that concept demeaning to men. we may be getting slammed with example after example of it in the media but none of the men I know are on the front pages.
‘hers was more a position of power than his ever was’. and she used it when she went to the university with her ‘integrity’ bleat. I suspect she really is ‘appalled’ at the media coverage now. she probably thought it would be in-house only and a nice, quiet revenge.
he just handed his balls to her on a platter. I don’t think either of them went into it with deliberate intent to ruin the other person. these are just two individuals who were lonely, got carried away on the ky fueled slope of internet sex and it should never have become a public/media item.
Why would she be appalled by the media coverage… Her face isn’t shown. She gets to remain anonymous because she was the “victim”. I think she’s enjoying every minute of the dish she served cold.
Whiny fool 1 : Horny fool 0
^^ I suspect you could be right – I was trying to give the benefit of the doubt – hearing clicks during speech, her mouth was dry, she may be dismayed at what has been unleashed.
Who the fuck cares? She’s a 38 year old woman for fuck sakes, not some young impressionable student. She shares an equal part in this situation.
Hey OB, while I can see she’s not the victim here…it was after all consensual relationship . At least thats what I have also concluded from the story I heard.
But there is still the problem with he used his position as her teacher to ….. effect her grade score.
And that dear OB is what is wrong, about this. If he & she had been bumping ugly’s & he had informed someone in the hierarchy that because of their relationship, he would have to distance himself from having any say or handling of her test material & nothing to do with grading her academic understanding of the course material. I really wouldn’t have a problem with it. After all any additional tutoring a student wants to get on their own after class is perfectly acceptable in any other school setting. So the real problem as I see it wasn’t the sex in this case . It was his continuing to be the one who graded her academic performance.
Does anyone else see it that way …or is it always cut & dry, you teach, you can’t fuck ?
Poor one-nut dikk.
Biggest mistake he made: sending shots of his tackle.
Biggest mistake she made: seeking revenge after a breakup.
The latter then sent said tackle pic to She-Who-Cannot-Be-Named’s father who bleated this information tout suite. She is also 38 years old, hardly an innocent schoolgirl.
There is no ‘victim’ here.
After he fucked her, he then had the nerve to ask her if she knew of another girl that they could have a threesome with! This was his big mistake. He pissed her off to the point of no return. That’s why she got scorned. He got greedy. She thought she was special and he cared about her but found out he was only looking for cheap thrills. Like, what an ego blow. You fuck a guy and then afterwards he wants you to pimp your friends to him too. It’s like saying to a woman, you’re not enough. You mean nothing to me. I’m bored with you now. She didn’t show up for the exam on purpose -she was furious, why should she? That was all a part of her ploy to get revenge. She knew he would hook her up with the grade. Don’t worry about it, he said. She would have the texts to back it up. He walked right into that one!
Did anyone see the CTV interview with these two? The interview dwarf barked at the mister, fawned over the mistress on the same show. It was enough to make a grown man eat hamster turds.
A proposition of a ‘3some’ is no justification for sending off a photo to claim ‘victimhood’.
Steve Murphy: “Are you gonna be alright?”
Mistress: “I will be”
*crocodile tears*
Spot on, NF. I’m surprised she didn’t carry a six foot crucifix and wear a bloody crown of thorns.
My thoughts:
(1). ‘a guy has no brains when it comes to his dick’. Most guys get the urge for variety. It’s simple biology/hormones. It’s not a learned or chosen urge. However, the sensible ones keep it in check. Same goes for a woman in her late thirties who is desperate to have a baby. I know of a number of women who deliberately got themselves impregnated by guys they wouldn’t have looked at a few years earlier and sometimes by guys they knew they didn’t want to ever live with. It’s the power of hormones and the biological clock that many women are subject to. They’re powerful forces. I suspect this case is a coming together of the two. She saw him as her last chance. He saw her as an easy mark for a bit of something new. (2). It doesn’t matter that they are both “mature” adults. We need to protect people from being exploited by those who have power over them. That’s why we need absolute rules against teachers having a relationship with students. There can be no grey area otherwise people in power will exploit the loopholes.
Next campaign pitch from the the Conservethemselves: Free Sperm For Broody Mares. Free Titty Wanks For Needy Willies.
i think they’re both pillocks
Indeed, m’lady. Both should be flogged at the Grand Parade with raw lasagna noodles. The CTV dwarf could do live commentary. A new Frank cover awaits.
i thought you’d like that term, full stop
Shouldn’t have a potential of imbalance of power in a relationship. This may or may not have had an actual imbalance in this instance. Thank you Lemonhart!
It seems to me that the delicate lady-victim in question, at the tender age of 38, has not yet learned how to conduct her personal life with awareness of personal safety and consequences of one’s own actions.
Perhaps she is in need of a chaperone who will assist her in all her personal interactions, so that she can be protected from all the vile predators who seem intent on exploiting vulnerable and naive young ladies such as herself.
(And this might not be a bad idea for certain “absent-minded professor” types as well.)
I for one am glad we are having this conversation. Two adults should not expect to have a consenting relationship without input from the general public. If there is even a slight possibility of impropriety we should all have very strong opinions about it and ensure that all relationships in the future are forbidden if there is even the slightest possibility that there may be an alleged power imbalance. Perhaps we can monitor any individuals who may break this code and force any violators to identify themselves in public. I know what you’re thinking: That’s a great idea but it can’t be done. The cost to the system,alone, would be too high. But I am thinking something cheap like a tattoo or maybe an arm band. A bit of thread and ink would be pretty cheap, I’m sure we could manage it, at least until the technology required to effectively police peoples thoughts becomes cheap enough to buy in bulk. In any event, we need to keep this topic alive and at the forefront of our minds because it is quite clearly the most important thing going on in the world right now.
I find role reversals are always fun. Suppose it was a female professor who was with a male student and all of a sudden her photo’s were leaked. I wonder who would be the victim in that situation. Would we be talking about power imbalances or would we be talking about how women’s bodies are their property and how sharing photographs without consent is similar to rape. (It is. In both cases.)
Interesting question, DonkeyPunch, and I have actually seen that scenario play out: Male “mature” student (age mid-30s) has relationship with female instructor (age early 40s). Both of them think it is a secret, but it is all painfully obvious to everyone else. It was admitted to by both, while it was going on.
It was a profoundly uncomfortable situation for everyone, and yes, the male student did get preferential treatment and a very high grade in a course where he did very little — *ahem* — “academic” work. Everyone knew he was a joke, but that didn’t ease the sting for everyone else who got shortchanged in the course for not being as in love with the teacher’s pet as as the teacher was.
It’s never cool (and often illegal) to step over that professional boundary, whether you are male or female.
(And it would have been equally horrible–and illegal– if the female instructor had done something as psycho as circulate embarrassing “revenge” pics of the male student, but fortunately blackmail and extortion never became a part of their short-lived “relationship.”)
I saw both parts of the CTV interview and thought they were still banging one another, but even drove each other to the studio interviews.
Not exactly national news though, hey Tarsands? Justsayin
CORRUPTING THE PEDAGOGICAL RELATIONSHIP
“You must understand that a pedagogical relationship is distinct from a sexual relationship and the two should never be confused.” (Montrealman, 1/12, 8:36AM)
It doesn’t matter how old the student is, it doesn’t matter whether the relationship is consensual or not, it doesn’t matter what you might happen to feel about it. What matters is that any sexual relationship between a teacher and a student is a corruption of that relationship. In the hierarchy of moral transgressions a sexual relationship between teacher and student is just one step down from incest.
A pleasure as always,
Cheerio!
Such nonsense! She knew what she was doing too and knew it was “wrong” in the eyes of the university. Being a man, he’s the rapist; she the victim. He’s persecuted; she’s supported. And people don’t see this as over-balanced?
Men: Line up! Castration time!
lol froggy man, who is saying ‘rapist’? the deaf, dumb and blind contingent?
re the interview. that guy is hugely underrated. he did the perfect interview – let the person hang themselves with artful and soothing questions. its not about making yourself as the interviewer look good or know-it-all. it’s about pulling the truth out of their own mouths for US, the viewers to see. and judging by everyone’s reaction – he showed us her very real side.
We seem to live in an era of victimhood. Everyone is a victim of something or someone it seems. And the media loves to cover victim stories and promote victimization as a matter of fact and the way of life. We need to change this. We need to start promoting a culture of taking responsibility for your own life. We need to stop encouraging people to blame society for their personal shortcomings and failures and as a way of excusing bad behaviour. The victim culture is not helping anyone.
RSVPS
: Hing Frogg ((11:15AM)
Are you referring to my comment as “such nonsense?” Would you want to support your charge?
Gooddogg Molly (12:08PM)
Whether or not “he did the perfect interview” the issue is the same as it always has been. It’s not about personalities but about principle and the principle here is that relating to the teacher-student pedagogical relationship. Nothing else really matters.
le Matou (the TomCat) (12:30PM)
The “victim culture” will be overcome when we learn to act on principle, not on personality. I assume that is what you mean by “taking responsibility for your own life.” Indeed, it is the ONLY way we can take responsibility for our own lives. There is no other way.
A pleasure as always,
Cheerio!
^^^ “learn to act on principle,”
Agreed. I find that when I act out of selfishness, envy, resentment, fear or other negative sentiments I usually make the wrong decisions. If I try to take the high road as much as possible and act out of good principle I always feel better about myself and the outcomes are typically better.
Thanks Ivan.
I can’t believe that I agree with nf so much that I felt obliged to give her likes.
Then I broke out the old weegie board and had a seance to ask mum if hell had frozen over.
The Proff decided to fall on his sword, so to speak, his choice.
Does MSV have a Code of Student Conduct like Dal has?
Does the student have to take the test?
Please do a survey of how many profs at Dal/SMU are married to former grad students. When you have the results we can talk about this online course instructor from the mount and his bad decisions.