I’m so fucking sick of Vampires! Vampires used to be badass now they’re lame. I understand that when a book/movie becomes really popular that spin-offs and extra shit inevitably pop up to scavenge. But why, of all the vampire lit and media out there to choose from, did that TERRIBLE book by that AWFUL writer become so popular? Even the shittiest of vampire novels/movies are loads better than this sad excuse for a story. I might be able to bear all the vampire themed fallout of this tragic explosion if the book was actually well written. But it’s SO BAD! I can understand ignorant tweens drooling over it, but my mom loves this shit, my MOM! How am I supposed to look up to and respect a grown adult who thinks these are amazing, well written, epic stories? GOD!!
And the main vampire guy looks baked in the new movie posters. I’d be too if I had to act in that piece of shit.
—GARLIC
This article appears in Dec 3-9, 2009.
I miss buffy and angel. ha.
Me too jennier….me too. Fortunately Angel is still on TV as Bone’s cop buddy.
This is why stupid people shouldn’t have kids…
If this is what you think…..are you really much better?
Twilight saga = brain fluff.
I don’t think anyone believes it’s actually epic writing. It’s mindless entertainment. Obviously not everyone likes it…but not everyone likes every book, tv show, movie ever made. There’s a certain wizard who has created a similar buzz, and not everyone donned robes and waved wands singing “Wingardium Levosa.”
I was a late reader of the books. I eventually saw the movie. And I definitely didn’t line-up to see the second movie, but figure I’ll see it when it comes out on video. Like I said, it’s brain fluff. Great for a Friday night after a long week at work when you want to relax and not think too hard.
The reality is it’s a captivating story (for some); otherwise it would not have such a huge following, thus causing Hollywood to come calling creating an ever larger following.
But yes. I miss Buffy. (BTVS complete series is at Costco for $76.99.)
Lol…..I agree. That main actor/vampire does look baked….pasty white, hairy, wrinkles, just plain gross. He’s trying to “look” 18 but looks 35+ years old. The chick should have stuck with the werewolf…she could harness him up to a sled.
Between the CW and the WB I think there are 14 of these vampire shows! When will it end!?
blondevixen:
Comparing J.K. Rowling’s writing to Stephanie Meyer’s writing is like comparing apple pie to dog shit.
There is no comparison, whatsoever. They are not in the same league.
Stephen King said it right, “Stephanie Meyer can’t write worth a darn”
Just because something is popular doesn’t mean it’s well done, or that it deserves recognition.
You’re missing my point entirely. It obviously wasn’t a comparison of writing, but just of the hoopla surrounding the writing. Not everyone loves the world of Harry Potter; not everyone loves the world of Twilight. I’m not saying Stephanie Meyer deserves any writing awards, but then neither would Anne M Martin, Francine Pascal, or Anne Brashares. It doesn’t discredit the fact these women were also highly successful with their own series of books.
Ultimately, I don’t understand whey people get so up in arms when others have a difference of preference for music, tv shows, books, movies; to each their own. I don’t know how what books (insert any other interest) my grandmother, neighbour, or colleague might like to read, affects me. If I don’t want to talk about it…I don’t. If I’m not interested in it…I don’t pay any attention to it. Not a big deal. And certainly nothing to get my panties in a twist over.
uh, Twilight series isn’t a vampire story about romance… it’s a romance story that happens to include vampires.
they could have likely done just as well had it been written a while ago when pirates were all the rage…..
they sure did take em down a notch though.
For me, john carpenter’s are the real nightwalkers….
true blood ain’t too bad either…
I heard somewhere that it’s actually about abstinence… if it gets tweens to keep their panties on, I say “go for it”.
Then again, it’s too late for the OP’s mom…
OP – are you kay’s son?
Isn’t twilight the time of day when the sun goes down?
The “son” can go down all it wants, if the panties are still on we’d have far fewer teenage mothers who barely know how to take care of themselves let alone raise another human being…
Mmmm I’m not sure how we got onto the topic of teenage panties but I like it!
Where’s Anne Rice when you need her? Wanna really have some fun? Call some goths, vampires.
I forced myself to read the first Twilight novel. I figured I should know what I was talking about before I slammed the book after I head about day-glo vampires. The book is absolutely awful. It is so badly written. There is literally no plot until the last 150 pages and it involves vampires playing baseball! It’s like the author just kept writing and writing about how hot Bella thought Edward was and having Bella fall down a ridiculous amount when she suddenly realised she needed a plot to have an end point to the book! Such an awful book.
Harry Potter mania was irritating but at least the novels were extremely well written. Twilight mania makes no sense because these books are BAD!
Also, the solution to teenage pregnancy is not abstinence education/promotion but real sex education including the use of condoms and other birth control devices. You can include abstinence in real sex education too you know.
blondvixen, the writing has everything to do with the hype.
Things of good quality deserve to be recognized. That’s why people get pissed off. There are so many people in the world that work their asses off for years and years honing their skills to be recognized in whatever their field is. It’s 10% talent, 90% hard work… or it ought to be. When someone with a BA suddenly decides they want to be a writer, writes a sloppy story in six months and then sells four million copies, people get pissed off. And yes it is sloppy, historical and geographical mistakes, inconsistencies, loose ends, the works.
People can like whatever sorts of novels they want, this isn’t about the type of novel, vampire, romance, fantasy, whatever. Same thing with music, I’m not a fan of Opera, but damn can they sing. Just imagine the training and work involved in learning to control your voice like that. KUDOS. Like Ellington said, “Fuck genres!”… no, that wasn’t it, “There are only two types of music, good and bad.”
Stephanie Meyers writing is bad, you can’t pass off bad writing as a “style” of writing, it’s not. She hasn’t even been writing long enough to develop a distinctive style. It’s not that I don’t like the “style” of her writing, it’s just that the writing is bad. Therefore the book isn’t deserving of the hype or even of being published.
It’s not my opinion that the writing is bad, it’s fact. There are plenty of books I don’t like that are well written. Twilight isn’t one of them.
FunkMonkey you are absolutely right. Music is definitely another art which is also guilty of this symptom. With shows like American Idol, it is allowing any karaoke singer to “make” it without the years of paying dues that most of our musical legends went through. Even though certain music is widely popular does not make it good, it just means the masses do not have any taste.
Amen BRoc. Oh how I wish we could turn back the hands of time to the day when a pitch control option was not used on every note a singer uttered…
Buggles was right, video *did* kill the radio star – back in the day when you didn’t know what a performer looked like, they actually had to have talent…
I completely agree with your opinion that Stephanie Meyers can’t write well; this I never disputed. I understand it can be frustrating for proficient writers when they don’t get acclaim for writing and Meyers does. As was mentioned, just like “Idol” participants do not pay their dues for their “success,” Meyers receives fame for a book that isn’t necessarily a gem of the literary world. You can’t; however, argue that while Britney Spears can’t sing worth a damn (hell, she lip syncs her concerts!), she isn’t a successful entertainer. She never really claimed to be a first-rate singer…and we don’t expect her to be. Yes, there are absolutely better singers. And we listen to those, too, obviously aware of the difference in the two. Which is the point entirely. Frustrating for real musicians who have paid their dues, certainly. But it is reality. Hell, some folks choose to read Harlequin Romance novels. Not for me, and certainly not award-winning writing, but who cares? If someone finds it entertaining, who are we to judge? I agree, the public is generally clueless…but regardless of their overall incompetence, they’re still allowed to vote.
I’m sick of people bitching and complaining about other people’s success (whether it’s warranted or not). No – some writers, singers, actors might not be the best in their field (or deserve any accolades), but if they manage to get success along the way, what does it matter? Again, we have a choice – buy it or don’t. Either way, don’t whine when someone else does (or doesn’t, for that matter).
I get where you’re coming from, blondevixen, and I can’t say I completely disagree… but by the same token, this is a “bitch board”, and we can’t be sitting here saying “Hooray for all the talentless hacks who got famous by doing God knows what”, because then we’d be on the “love board”.
I think it’s what we perceive as the unfairness of someone with amazing talents being passed by because they have less opportunity for fame than other people that makes people upset. On the other hand, it’s the audience that’s responsible for perpetuating the fame of a talentless hack, so we only have “ourselves” to blame.
@blondebixen “If someone finds it entertaining, who are we to judge?”
I think we are definitely the people to judge. If we all avoid juding stuff because we’re trying to be polite and politically correct by not judging, we end up with total crap like Twilight and American Idol.
If we judge Britney Spears as a singer she’s awful. If we judge Britney Spear as a entertainer with a stage show she’s good.
Same with Meyer. If we judge Meyer as a writer (and we’re certainly allowed, it’s called literary criticism) she is awful. If we judge her as a person who can deliver to a specific audience with what they want then she is good.
Personally, I think Meyer *is* the Britney Spears of the book world. Someone somewhere saw how popular Harry Potter was and randomly picked another series to generate hype about in order to make money. It worked.
Remember “His Dark Materials”? The first book “The Golden Compass” was actually an all right book but then the author went off on seriously crazy religous tangents and lost his audience in books two and three. Someone somewhere thought that this was going to be the next Harry Potter and tried to build up hype. It failed.
I am beginning to believe there is an absolute formula to writing kids/teen fiction if you want to be a money maker.
Who are we to judge the PEOPLE who like it, not the material itself. Obviously you can judge the performance/writing/art/music (material), that’s not my point. I’m not saying don’t judge the material, I’m saying you shouldn’t judge the PEOPLE who use it (or the success that comes to those who create it). You shouldn’t castrate people who decide to read/watch/listen to “fluff” for entertainment purposes (certainly not intellectual development). Hopefully along with their “Twilight”, “Days of Our Lives”, or “Britney Spears”, they’re supplementing it with QUALITY content. I also don’t know why, ultimately, it really matters if my mother/neighbour/aunt/sister/cousin decides to read crap. Sure, they’re contributing to the “machine”, but please. I’m sick of these anti-everythings who pretentiously snub their nose at anything mainstream/popular as if their personal collections have only ever boasted the highest caliber of everything. And so what if they actually DO – does it make them any better human beings because they have only read Chaucer or Poe?
In the grand scheme of things – seriously, what does it matter? I don’t care if you like Gossip Girl, Slayer, Jack Johnson, The Count of Monte Cristo, U2, The Hatchet, or the Sisterhood of the Travelling Pants. At the end of the day, regardless what anyone decides to read/watch/listen to that evening, my world still revolves (just hopefully not around someone else’s interests).
SNIPPING FROM OUR OP:
“How am I supposed to look up to and respect a grown adult who thinks these are amazing, well written, epic stories?”
That’s how we can “judge the PEOPLE who like it”, and “ultimately, it really matters if my mother… decides to read crap”. And as for “In the grand scheme of things – seriously, what does it matter?”, it obviously matters to some poor t(w)een trying to connect on a stable level with a parent s/he can’t find respect for.
T(w)eens have enough stuff to disrespect their parents for without them making it more difficult.
Mind you, having said that, I think if our OP can only find this to bitch about from her/his parent, s/he’s doing pretty well in the grand scheme of things.
Hey Fat, piss off.
I read the book. I thought it was put together very well for the young teen reader, boys or girls. I liken it to Judy Bloom FINALLY graduating 4th grade and discovering boys.
I’ll bet the OP hasn’t read it and is spewing from the side of their ignorant head.
Yeah kay, any book that has a enthralling combination of pedophilia, sexism, and general good old fashioned stalking has to be good for an already self-esteem crushing world for a teenage girl! Just what the psychiatrist ordered!
Sounds like bad writing to me.
I have not read the books, nor do I care to. I just wanted to say, blondvixen, I like your style on the coast! (Just an old Gingerism)
Fever, what are you saying? That it’s bad for pubescent children to enjoy fictional stories portraying characters they so obviously identify with? You don’t have kids, do you? You don’t remember being a child, do you? You’ve never read the book you’re slaggin’, have you? Then STFU.
haha “garlic”
pavillion, there is CERTAINLY a formula….
keep it simple and appeal to what your audience finds enthralling.
In the case of teen girls, two guys fighting over your teen ass…
teen girls and guys, a magical peer and his guy and girl friends who can save the world…
I’m just waiting for a book geared around teen guys that isn’t the official players guide to the next grand theft auto game…. and it will be just as big… though it may have to be sexist enough to alienate the female audience, teen guys like a lot of that… and a little more toned down than 300 was so they can actually readily access it.
sadly, I think the *movie (*teen, epic, superhero, disaster,…) were geared towards the male teens in the days of late but are not quite drawing like they used to. Come up with one good idea that has only a little partial nudity and not too much swearing/graphic violence and you could be on your way to the top.
kay, just because I haven’t read a book doesn’t mean I’m not allowed to have an opinion on it. Seeing that the series wasn’t exactly known until the films were announced with Robert “Douchebag” Pattinson as the lead.
Yes, I’m saying it’s bad for children to emulate a pedophile. Yes, it’s bad for people to be sexist. Finally, it’s a criminal offense to stalk someone. There are not things I would want any child to learn.
blondvixen,
I was never once judged OP’s mom for liking the books. I was talking about the unearned hype and poor quality of the book.
In general the quality of things we are willing to accept in society has gone down over the decades… music, writing, food, movies, etc. I don’t judge the people who create a market for shitty things. Everyone has contributed to a market for one shitty thing or another, it’s a consumer culture after all. I judge the thing simply because they’re there for everyone to judge. When a writer publishes a book they open themselves up to criticism and praise, any writer who listens only to the praise isn’t doing themselves any favors. Being critical of the things we consume is never a bad thing.
Amen, Fever, I’ve never heard Britney Spears sing (because a pitch control knob in a studio and lip-synching onstage isn’t singing) but I still get to judge that she got her fame based on looks more than talent…
It is also frustrating that this fodder is being mass marketed and meanwhile, real talent gets second rate attention, which makes it more difficult for these artists to get their product out there. For every Britney Spears or American Idol winner who gets pushed and promoted by record execs, there’s a talented singer/songwriter who can’t get a fair shake at a break. Of course there will always be a market for crap (hell, I’m a KISS fan), but to make it the be all, end all of popular culture does no one any good.
@blondevixen
I like a lot of popular culture entertainment that is generally considered fluffy. I, for instance, absolutely adore zombie and martial arts pictures. But I like them well done with good action and utterly ridiculous scenes in them. Films that recognise they are ridiculous and glory in that ridiculousness.
If someone reads a book like Twilight, which is so obviously poorly written and crafted, and claims that it is an excellent piece of fiction, I wholly reserve the right to pass judgment on them. They don’t know what they’re talking about in this regard (and I do recognise they likely have a lot of other subjects/topics of which they can pass suitable opinions upon).
Stop being so afraid of offending people because you point out that they have bad taste in something.
Vampire movies SUCK… (blood) except The Lost Boys. But zombies are always thinking with their Brainsss…Brainsss… BRAINSSS! Got to love a good zombie movie. Evil Dead…Classic!
There’s nothing wrong with liking something that’s poorly done as long as you recognize that it is poorly done. I agree with Pavilion, passing judgment on someone’s taste in books is not the same thing as passing judgment on their value as a person. People who feel like they are being personally attacked when someone expresses distaste for their preferences shows immaturity on their part. It’s completely possible to have a friendly discussion with someone about a book you both disagree on.
Personally, I’ve found most (the older ones not so much) Twilight fans are very defensive of the book and it’s writer. One girl I was talking to actually refused to talk to me after I said that the books were poorly written. After Stephen King said Meyer can’t write, tons of Twilight fans came to her “rescue” by attempting to discredit King, saying that he was jealous of how many books she’s sold , doesn’t know what he’s talking about, jealous because none of his books have never been made into movies, and only trying to use the publicity of Twilight to get his career going. This shows how ignorant some of these girls are about books in general. And that’s a sad statement about our schools.
And yes, these girls do think that the saga is amazing, well written, and epic… I’ve actually heard “epic” used to describe it. But it may just be that “epic” is a popular word these days. I don’t think many of them are aware of what it actually means in literature.
I want to expect more of young people, were too soft on kids academically. School has been dumbed down so that the slower kids don’t feel bad. Kids get unearned praise, everyone is taught that they are special just because they are them, not because they’ve done anything.
And Dr. Fever is right about the sexism, pedophilia, stalking etc. I’ve read all the books… and I find the blatant stalking, sexism, abuse, and pedophilia, passed off as “love” extremely disturbing. The whole ‘imprinting’ concept is ridiculously perverted. If you don’t know what I’m talking about look it up.
And yes, it is a big deal that young girls are reading this shit and looking up to the main female character who has no admirable qualities what-so-ever. She just continues to obsess over this boy and never does anything for herself. Always the helpless victim, great role model.
oh yes,”obviously poorly written and crafted” novels are selected for screenplay and big screen ALL the time, Pavillion. uh huh. sure. yup. okay… whatever you say
oh and Fat, it takes a certain kind of mind to find pedophilia in the story. Perhaps you should avoid those ‘coming of age stories’. They seems to upset you in the weirdest kind of way. ick
Yeah that whole issue with King calling her out is ridiculous. Even when King was writing his coked-out rambling nonsense, he was far better writer than Meyer ever was. It’s so funny.
Yeah kay, it’s absolutely alright to not see the fact that a main fucking character “imprints” on an infant, raising it as his own, an the “child” will be forever a teenage girl? Really?
The closest thing I can think of that SK did to what SM is doing is the one and only child’s story SK published in ’87, Eye of th Dragon. Apples and oranges though. Different target audience, different approach to character development, different writing style… the question is does it capture the imagination of the readers and can the readers identify with fully fleshed out characters AND the subject matter? SM has had most of that work done for her in her focus on vampires. SK knows no bounds and appeals to a much wider range of readers. He also has to do a lot more work in developing subject matter but SK re-uses good characters all the time. It doesn’t really matter if you like it anyway. It matters if the masses like it.
@kay:
Yes, it doesn’t seem books to have to be good to be made into movies. They just has to be popular. I completely recognise that the Twilight series is popular. I am popular, therefore I am a movie.
I can think of a few bad books that have been made into movies. There’s “The Postman” and “The Horse Whisperer” for instance. I can even think of a bad book that was made into a better movie. “Where the Heart Is”, by Billie Letts, is an awful book. The movie was still pretty bad but better as a movie than a book.
kay, the book wasn’t selected for screenplay because its was well written, that notion is laughable. It was selected because it the books were extremely popular among teen girls, that’s a massive guaranteed audience. It’s about making money. Duh.
Have you read the book, kay? It’s not a coming of age story… at all. And if falling in love with a baby isn’t pedophilia, um… what is?
Hey I’ve only read the first one and haven’t bothered with the movie. The writing is good. I might read the next one so don’t ruin it for me, kay? Besides, the crux of the character is that he’s was made a vampire young so he IS young, goes to high school and finds young ladies attractive. Find a young man who doesn’t. Perhpas this is why so many young men enjoy the story and can identify with this pedophile you speak of. One must let their imagination go a little if they want to enjoy the story. Letting the hard reality of life, including the reality of pedophilia, interfere with your fiction makes Fever a dull “boy”.
Lol kay, Edward isn’t the pedophile, Jacob is. Don’t rag on Dr. Fever about not reading the books when you can’t follow a discussion about them because you… haven’t read the books. The pedophilia doesn’t take place in the first book.
the book wasn’t selected for screenplay… because the characters are well developed as is the story line. This is WHY it’s popular. Whatever.
I meant.. the book WAS selected for screenplay… because the characters are well developed as is the story line. This is WHY it’s popular. Whatever. You get it.
fizz… received. well done.
I only read the first book as well, so have no idea what goes on in later volumes. I do know that the first book had almost no plot.
Two thirds of the book were Bella using a staggering amount of adjectives (Meyer has a good theasaurus at least) to describe how hot she found Edward or describing how ridiculously clumsy Bella was.
Bella is such an unbelievable Mary Sue that Meyer attempted to combat her utter perfection by making her dangerously clumsy. It’s a wonder Bella survived to be a teenager given her clumsiness.
Then towards the last 100 pages or so Meyer decides she needs a plot so throws in some “evil vampires” who desparately obsess over wanting to suck Bella dry (for no discernable reason other than Bella’s Mary Sueness) and all the “good vampires” are desparate to defend her (also for no discernable reason). And Edward spends half of his time either rescuing her from her clumsiness or staring at her longingly.
And at the very end Bella decides for no reason at all that it is best to run away from all the super powered good vampires protecting her quite competently right into the arms of the evil vampires, where she is almost killed and has to be rescued yet again by Edward.
There you go, I just wrote Twilight.
Pav.. the young ladies were hooked the first time Edward looked at Bella. Solving THAT mystery is what keeps them going. Throw in some danger, let the hero save the girl and ratify them as a couple, blah blah blah… ALL of the best stories are love stories. What made it popular is all those feeling Bella has about mysterious Edward. Most pubescent girls can’t put it down when it’s talking about things they are currently experiencing and boys, I think, really want to know what those feelings are (so the little bastards can start manipulating them to get what they want). It’s a fucking masterpiece considering her audience.
LOL the characters and story line are well developed?
You’ve got to be fucking kidding me. The only character development that takes place is in the later books, that you haven’t read, and it’s not with the two main characters. The main characters aren’t developed at all in the first book, they just stay the same, brooding over each other throughout the entire thing.
The plot??? The plot has HUGE gaps, loose ends, and inconsistencies. The first book doesn’t, the only one you’ve read, even have a plot until the very end… it’s just chapters and chapters of Bella going on about how amazing and hot Edward is, every once in a while Edward saves Bella from something, and then the climax, with almost no build-up is sloppily tacked on the end. And what’s the climax? Edward saves Bella from something…AGAIN!
well fizz, you might be right but the MAJORITY do not share your opinion as evident by the success of these stories in stores and at the box office. The producer of the film thought them developed well enough to produce an entire film about them but what do film producers know, eh?
fizz, you remind me of the Michael Jackson haters of the 80’s… he’s THAT good so you just got to hate him.
@kay
‘Little Women’ was written in Victorian England and is more realistic about teenage romance today than Twilight, which was written just a few years ago.
When I was growing up it was ‘Sweet Valley High’. Extremely popular books, transfixed the teenage female population of North America. Not high literature, but decently enough written when you get past the fact the girls were 16 years old for about 15 years.
Harry Potter, from the 90s and 00s, touches on all aspeccts of growing up, and is extremely well written.
Twilight is abstinence porn. Emo girl stares longingly at emo guy who stares longingly back but they are Responsible Young Adults and insist on waiting until they are married before having sex. Edward is basically a 100+ year old virgin. He has all those male hormones floating about his body for that long but never gives in because he’s waiting til marriage? Not realistic emotional development.
Since when were a bunch of teenage girls and their mothers “the majority”? On top of that, surely we must all recognise by now that the majority is not always right. The majority of people on the planet in the year 1400 CE thought the world was flat after all.
You’re missing the point entirely. We recognise that the books are popular. We understand they tap into some emotional longing. We see the mania surrounding them. This does not mean they are well written.
Do you honestly believe that the 40-50 year old male head honchos in Hollywoodland were thinking that these books were wonderful and amazing and simply HAD to be turned into movies based on their literary merit? No, they were turned into movies to make money and only to make money.
Yeah Kay, the audience is girls who are confused about boys and feelings and yes, Meyer did a good job appealing to her audience. But that’s not exactly a huge literary feat. Young girls will read anything with a hot mysterious guy in it who falls in love with the plain girl.
I wouldn’t want my confused daughter just beginning to like and date boys thinking that Bella and Edward’s relationship is what relationships are supposed to be like. Their relationship is unhealthy in the extreme for reasons Dr. Fever so concisely pointed out.
So yes Meyer appealed to these girls but did so irresponsibly… not only by passing off an abusive relationship as love, but by putting a weak female character who allows herself to be abused as the protagonist. This is the character these girls identify with, this is the character they look up to.
I don’t think parents actually know what goes on in the books… and if they did and actually read all the books would not want their girls reading them.
Film producers know how to make money, kay, and oodles of money can be made by catering a book and movie to tweens (and adults with no taste). As I said in my earlier posts, popularity does not always equate to quality. The Twilight books and movies are perfect examples of that.
Interesting interpretation, Pavillion. There are some rumors circulating (heaven’s sake, no, I do not rove the internets searching for Twilight gossip), but if Bella and Edward ‘theoretically’ have sex, she will become poisoned and perish. I’m not really willing to delve into the details, but it does seem like a decent way to break 10 million young teenage hearts.
Additionally, I agree about the series being ‘Abstinence Porn’. I laugh at what this woman Stephenie Meyer is trying to accomplish with her little hidden agenda. Are teenage girls really going to see these characters as role models and not have sex just because a fictional vampire and his girlfriend aren’t doing it? Of course not. It’s an unrealisitic proposition and therefore a superfluous throughline in my point of view. And since the entire series runs on this supposed plot…well…
Kay, I like Michael Jackson.
Stephanie Meyers writing isn’t “so good” I obviously have to hate it. She’s not even mediocre. I’ve given my opinion of her writing and backed it up, I’ve read all the books, my opinion isn’t unfounded at all.
Don’t compare the talentless Stephanie Meyer, to the talented Michael Jackson, that’s an insult to his music.
All I’m saying was people loved to hate MJ BECAUSE of his popularity… and that he was popular because he was good.
How many novels can mothers and daughters share and enjoy? Not a bad thing.
And you’re right! The big wigs in Hollywood sure know how to make money. Who do you think gave them the idea? Their wives and their daughters, of course. Why is that? Because they read, identified with and loved the story and the characters. Who are you to argue with that? They didn’t and now they’re all spankin’ rich.
I’m sure you’ll all get over it in due course.
People mostly loved to hate Michael Jackson because he became a complete freak in his middle age. Of course there are the people out there who hate anything popular, but they’re pretty cliche and stereotyped and certainly not the majority. No one here is hating on Stephanie Meyer because her books are popular. We’re also not hating on Harry Potter because that series was even more popular. It may not be for everyone but it is very well written.
“””And you’re right! The big wigs in Hollywood sure know how to make money. Who do you think gave them the idea? Their wives and their daughters, of course. Why is that? Because they read, identified with and loved the story and the characters. Who are you to argue with that? They didn’t and now they’re all spankin’ rich.”””
People who can put together a well reasoned argument and/or opinion on a body of work are entitled to argue with the quality of the novels. If someone can come forward and put together a well reasoned argument on why the novels are good then all the power to them. So far the only reason we have is “the books are popular!” which does not give any merit to their actual quality.
Again, popularity does not equal quality. Kay, why can’t you seem to wrap your head around this concept?
Twilight and MJ…huh, the only connection I see there is PEDOPHILIA.
Food for thought on the whole “majority is always right” discussion:
March 6, 1933 in Germany – Nazis win by popular vote (44%)
And we’re Godwined. Thread over.
LMAO…had to man, had to pull the ‘chute on this one; trying to make kay see sense is like trying to make pigs eat with forks.
Pav, because it doesn’t matter what I think, it doesn’t matter what you think, it matters what the masses think and they like it. “Why can’t you seem to wrap your head around this concept?”… duh
Sure the masses love it, but it doesn’t mean it’s good for them. It’s the literary equivalent of KFC. You read and read, it tastes soooo good, and then all of a sudden you feel ill, then you expel it as diarrhea 3 hours later. Do you get that metaphor?
Or, it’s like reading a Dan Brown book. You read 15 chapters an hour and you feel smart because you blaze through 15 chapters an hour, not realizing a chapter is only half a page in length.
“It’s the literary equivalent of KFC. You read and read, it tastes soooo good, and then all of a sudden you feel ill, then you expel it as diarrhea 3 hours later.”
OMG…awesome, accurate and…and just plain hilarious.
HA!
are you sure it was a vampire,or just maybe it was you that did it.anyway,we vampires have better things to do than make people stupid.we provide an expert blood extraction service for the red cross,seeing as we make the holes for them earlier in the game.and yes,we like this time of year,because the dark is longer.SHOW ME YOUR NECKS.
king’s book and movie”misery”, was just that.a misery to read and watch.worst waste of money i ever spent.
kay, you’re just dumb.
Nobody cares what you think of me, Fat. Drop the sheep routine. It’s boring. Just move on.
You know what’s really boring though? That you mention “the sheep routine” in every other post.
And Jenny nails the number one reason kay bitches…. sheep drive me absolutely mad. Go give yourself a pat on the back, Jen. Looks good on ya
king’s IT, tommeyknockers, green mile, the shining, salem’s lot, cujo, children of the corn, the running man, pet cemetery, shawshank redemption, the stand, … there’s plenty more but I think this alone puts Meyer WAY behind in both talent and credibility on comments about literature and writing style.
Kay hates sheep, loves Twilight…..hmmm….
In the words of a dear friend (a screenwriter, btw), “My grocery list has more plot than Twilight.” Here’s proof: http://www.angryalien.com/aa/twilightbuns.…
As a side note, if anyone is interested in an incredibly well-crafted take on the vampire myth, may I suggest the book ‘Let Me In’ by John Ajvide Lindqvist, and it’s subsequent film ‘Let The Right One In’. It’s got some teenage lust and pedophilia too, but not the kind that gets marketed on coffee mugs.
I never said I loved Twilight. I said I read it.
You’ve spent the better part of this thread defending the book, its “well developed story and characters”, and the masses that consume this fast-food literature, and then in the next post claim to dislike sheep-like behaviour. If a bunch of teen girls and their moms eating up this drivel and its merchandise bonanza isn’t sheep-like, I don’t know what is.
also vampire diaries suck too.but on the other hand,sanctuary is fairly decent for ya.if you haven’t seen it yet,check it out.
To see for yourself what all the fuss is about is far from sheep-like behavior, me0w. Good try though.
I have said it before and I find myself once again in need of saying it again…Kay, Kay Kay,
Your ability to completely ignore your rampant hypocrisy and ignorance (intellectually…not the meaning of ignorance that should actually be described as just rude, though you do have that as well) shocks and amazes me.
me0w is absolutely correct…it’s just that you can’t see that or accept it, even with the evidence of it in your posts staring you in the face. You can only retort with a simplistic and infantile post. I leave these boards for the better part of 6 months and when I return, you are still at it and haven’t grown one iota. How you convince yourself all this time that you can “pull off” acting intellectual well beyond your stunted capacity startles me…you must be delusional.
Infantile? “Acting” intellectual? Fuck you, DER. I can’t help myself.
I didn’t love the book regardless of what me0w says. I didn’t hate it either. I thought it well written for it’s target audience, a part of which I am not. What’s your problem?
DER makes amazing points. kay, you’re still an idiot and the biggest, ugliest sheep of all.
what are you, Fat? Like 10 years old?
Why a ’10’, kay? Is that how high you can count all by yourself or the age you act really?
what a waste of a human being… go flog yourself now and just spare us all, would ya?
Get over me, kay. And give up the sheep-like behaviour you fat, old loser.
And if I’m a waste then you’re just an accident.
I’m not the one stalking you, Fat.
HAHAHAHAHAHA, are you fucking serious? Stalking?
Its really time to quit playing the victim, you loser. Holy fuck, that comment takes the cake. Jesus, no wonder people on this blog feel the need to call you an idiot also.
Keep the laughs coming, loser.
I don’t call you on. You just fucking appear slinging bullshit that nothing to do with anything except pissing me off like always. Fuck off for a change you piece of shit.
There you go again playing the victim. Its becoming more hilarious rather than shameful now.
Keep up the good work, you nasty old cunt =D
NS is a cesspool full of “nasty old cunts” as you so eloquently put it, Fat. Just because I notice and find a place to bitch about it doesn’t make me your “victim”. The fact that I’m not your victim is what pisses you off. I’m the bitch you love to hate because I don’t stay down and because I’m gratefully not one of you, don’t wanna be and never ever will be. Your bullying makes me sick.
oh oh the c word thats step over the line stop that!
I tried that shit once, martym. LOL
Bullying? Its the fucking Internet, you twat! And you do the same to everyone else; it seems justified when you treat posters like ass. But when someone bitches you out, oh noes, you’re the victim.
You’re a textbook sociopath, woman. I feel sorry for your kid and so-called husband.
And maybe those other nasty cunts are the people you imitate like the big ugly sheep you are.
I’ve NEVER cause the shit you do. I’d never try. Not my idea of fun. You’re an asshole. Simple. Case closed.
For someone so popular I’m astonished to see you in on a Friday letting good ol’ NGF get under your skin. Whatever makes you feel like you’re being victimized I bet.
I bet Desi’s out having an affair with a drag queen now 😀
you people are so getting coal in your stockings bad bad people
Yeah, Desi’s probably got your sister by the short and curly’s as he leads her on stage to earn an extra buck or two. Nova Scotians are pretty easy to please with filth and violence. They even pay extra
That’s quite original for such a sheep. Keep up the good work, kay =D
The whole province is FULL of them, marty.
Kay, I am failing to understand here. You dislike this province and everyone in it with a hate that rivals the wrath of God on Sodom and Gomorrah but you continue to live here? Why not just move to another province or country? Personally, I’d love to move someplace warm with lots of sunshine right about now. Maybe you need more vitamin D?
NGF, you really must stop feeding the trolls. They’ll never go away. Of course, I do admit they make life interesting.
and to think i thought i moved to the land of haddock munching, keiths swilling,jig dancing, rankin loving happy happy halogonians thats why i’m taking my stick and net to bc
I just like poking the sheep, Pavillion, but I totally hear what you’re saying.
Kay’s worse than a troll though. She honestly believes that she’s an online celebrity in her sociopath mind and believes that people come to LTWWB to read what she thinks. The bitch thinks she’s on par with Jesus and Dr. Martin Luther King.
I think you mean you like “leading” the sheep, Fat. Don’t fuck with us now. We’re on to you.
Why can’t you leave the kids out of it? You’re a sick one, Fat.
Buahahahahahaha!
Kay just can’t let anything go, she has become a permanent fixture here…wait and see; in 20 years she will still be posting about how terrible people are here or quoting Nicolas Cage movies in replacement for real life examples!
The reason she hasn’t left is because she has actually grown around her computer chair and is unable to leave the room she is in. Desi probably comes by once a day, rips open a bag of doritoes and throws it into the funnel taped to her face.
Kay…if NGF is LEADING the sheep, that means he is not a sheep. You are so intrinsicly moronic it practically hurts to read your posts but we all do…must be connected to that part of the human psyche that makes us all check out accidents.
Kay you are the one defending psuedo pedo publications that are geared towards tweens, who is the sick one?
HEY GUYS, do you want to know what is actually going on in Kay’s head? Please go to Youtube and search for the following: Psycho Hyper Dog, the clip is 28 seconds long…should be the top choice, posted by maus9. THAT IS WHAT YOU WOULD SEE IF YOU COULD LOOK INSIDE KAY’S MIND
my o my,are all you folks here still ragging on kay.you all know you love it when she comes on here and starts to bitch about whatever,gives my life a new high,just to read the arguements between her and ngf,and whomever.yes,kay is undoubtably a favourite,maybe fornot what she thinks,but for the shit that she takes and gives back.4 stars kay,and you too ngf.i just love coming on,and seeing what the hell is going on between you two.so do a lot of other people.you are both stars of the coast,and keep their readers,old and even new,coming back for another episode in the contiuing drama,that is,LTWWB.