Unions have gotten ridiculous with their demands under the current financial crisis. There’s word in the US that unions are going down the tube withing 10 years. I, for one, will be very happy. No more highway sign turners earning $60,000 a year. The intention of unions was very honourable in its roots and now they are simply a bunch of greedy graspers who never have enough. —Just An Ordinary Joe

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  1. Unions tend to be only as greedy as the company’s that employ them.

    Good for the goose / good for the gander.

    And those highway sign turners are the same guys who plow your streets, pick up your garbage, etc.
    Those guys work hard.

  2. Actually the Banks & with Government backing are ruining our economy.
    Completely out of control Gov spending, where we pay billions in interest on these huge debts are ruining our economy.
    THe fiat monetary system along with Fractional Reserve Banking practisces are destroying the worlds economy because it is A FUCKING PONZI SCHEME…of the very highest order.
    Unions are trying to get a decent wage for the work done. Without unions there would be a 2 class system, the slave owners & the slaves.
    Now theres a middle class…& all the super rich & the Governments who support them can only steal from the middle class…or they’ll have to cut back or steal form each other
    And there’s no way that will ever happen.

    Ask yourself this simple question & then answer it.
    IF before the time of central banking amalgamating a world wide system…currencies were much less volitile than they are today. A hundred years ago, monitary systmes didn’t go crazy like they are now.
    IS that a Union caused problem ?
    Or a Banker caused problem ?

  3. Heh, I was gonna say, NM.

    Take an upper level or grad level HR economies course, OP and brush up on your shit.

  4. I don’t think unions are ruining our economy. They make up a steadily shrinking portion of the workforce.

    The financial crisis was brought on by the brainiacs in the financial sector.

  5. not really o.p., it’s the greedy fucking heads of said unions. they are a good thing, that people can rely on most of the time. tho some short sighted asshole, may think they can hold us at ransom, it will usually work out, that the bosses get richer, and we always get fucking poorer.

  6. I belong to a union and am very proud of it. I attend monthly meetings, contribute to a multi-employer pension fund and have decent health benefits, particularly with dentists and optometrists. They recently offered us a group discount on Home and Automobile insurance. If it wasn’t for this union of skilled workers banding together to protect eachother, we’d be getting fleeced like the rest of the regular “Joe’s”. I know everyone isn’t as lucky as I am, so I am trying not to be arrogant, but I work hard and it costs quite a bit of my wages to get these benefits. “All for one, one for all”. That’s the definition of a union. “All for me, none for you”. That’s the definition of a greed. Big difference.

  7. I will be truthful, so many times I have wished I worked in a position with a union. Unions can make for better working conditions. I worked for two different companies as a banquet server.

    One without a union that does work at a hotel, restaurant, a pier etc (worked 17 hr shifts with a 30 minute break, so 16.5 hrs standing as apparently sitting decreased productivity). The weekend I quit, I had worked 42 hrs in 2 days, I couldn’t handle. That was the scheduled shifts, not overtime. It is in the hospitality business, so no laws broken. I was just a sucker that worked there for 7 months.

    The other company which is attached to an ice rink in downtown halifax, was unionized. There was such a difference. It was unbelievable, the staff were treated as people. There were regular breaks. We were allowed to sit and polish silverware etc. The shifts were at the longest 12 hrs. I worked there for 3 years until I found something with more regular hours.

    Unions can make such a difference.

  8. Work for a company that treats you as sub-human and get back to me about unions then, Joe.

    I’m waiting to see if the undisclosed security company I work for finally gets unionized. Here’s hoping!

  9. Unfortunately SD, if your company unionizes then they will be out of business within a year. Companies who hire security companies don’t want to pay a reasonable rate. It’s a very cutthroat business, unfortunately.

  10. I couldn’t agree more with this bitch OB, and good for you for coming to the realization that these unionised assholes are ruining our country.
    The gall it must take for them to sit there on their high horse (via CUPE) telling us, privatized health care is evil (because the jobs created within a free market would most likely be non-unionised) we should be spending more money on social programs (because it will end up hiring more unionised workers…) while they bankrupt the community money pot.
    The gall to ask for minimum wage earners in this country to help unionised workers pay for their bloated benefits packages (via their taxes – $7 of tax payer contributions for every $1 they put in) is just so asinine and astounding…
    But you know what? In this country, case law has essentially enshrined “union rights” into the constitution.

    It’s only going to get worse.

    Just you wait until Capital Health goes on strike because a 1% raise “isn’t good enough”…
    Greedy fuckers, every last one of them. They should be ashamed.

    In fact, when working for a monopoly unions should be illegal. Instead, they continue to rape the masses, and the government is more than happy to help – or perhaps to scared to end the plundering.

    Nova Scotia needs the balls of Wisconsin.

  11. Dartmouthy: public unions *are* a problem. I agree. The proper lesson for them, from Wisconsin, ought to be that they contribute more, get a bit less (I know some provincial bargaining units where members get 7 paid weeks off a year from Day One, 8 weeks after a few years).

    But without ever having had unions you and I would be working 6 days a week, at least 10 hours a day, no health care, no particular occupational safety, no job security, and no concept of minimum wage at all. Once your kids reached the age of 10 or 12 they could join you in the workplace even, make it a family affair. If you think that’s an exaggeration then you’re very naive.

    And let’s put stuff in perspective. Your taxes are as high as they are right now, municipal and provincial and federal, not because of public sector unions, but because of stupid and corrupt choices made by our elected and unelected leaders: politicians, bureaucrats, Wall and Bay Street, and corporate executives. Taxpayer subsidies to private interests vastly outweigh any inefficiencies caused by public sector unions.

    Do some math.

  12. I’m not a member of a ‘public union’ But I believe that unless the GOv & the big shot bureacrats take cuts, the Union members who work for them shouldn’t be expected to take cuts.
    No Union member who works for these people see a pension plan like elected officials do, or their upper administrative civil servants have.
    No actual person who is simply one of the drones or worker bees, makes the obscene wages these people do.
    A perfect example in how we should make cuts, is Japan.
    If we would take a page out of Japans Gov & Business practice of CUTS start at the Top & go down.
    I would be onboard with the Unions of Government workers would have to expect a cut, & if they refused.
    Then they have 2 options 1 -Quit, go elsewhere ! 2 Fire them, & offer the jobs to others.
    It may sound hard, but we cannot continue to live beyond our means.
    Government can never help us by putting us into debt & should be mandated by laws saying so…laws they cannot change without say 3/4’s of the people they govern, allowing them to by a direct & clearly worded application to do so.

    But when some official tells the working people, you gotta take cuts, while he/she has a solid gold pension coming, a free car, gas card, per diem, an outrageous salary…., an expense account & subsidised living quarters. Anyone who thinks the Union Worker who is fighting cuts is the Bad Guy…needs to give their fucking head a shake.
    Start at the top, every cut to a single over paid employees there makes a larger dent than a cut to a person at the bottom of the scale ! Plus those with a low pay scale in this economy can least afford a cut

  13. Contrary to what passes for “accepted wisdom” these days, labour unions played a large part in building the economy in this country and they aren’t responsible for ruining the economy.

    All workers, whether unionized or not, benefited from the gains made by the labour movement.

    You can thank labour unions for things like 40 hour work weeks, paid overtime and annual paid vacation leave (or vacation pay in lieu of time off) in addition to many of the regulations written into labour codes across the country. As a result, you can thank labour unions for helping to establish a decent standard of living here in Canada.

    Labour unions don’t put companies out of business. Labour unions don’t cause companies to “price themselves out of the marketplace” either. When the percentage of unionized workers was at its peak, back in the fifties and sixties, the economy was booming and experiencing tremendous growth. Those jobs paid good wages and provided good benefits. Much of Canada’s social safety net was put in place at that time, too. Universal health care, old age pensions, the CPP, UI – all of these things date back to the growth economy of the post-war decades when the labour movement was also at its peak.

    Labour unions aren’t ruining the economy, but I know who is . . .

  14. It’s funny how all the union boosters don’t seem to have a problem with forcing those making minimum wage in this country to support their grandiose retirement plans.
    Is this the new Canadian socialism? Smells more like fascism to me.

  15. Didn’t you know Dartmouthy. What’s good for the Union is good for the Nation. I believe it’s called the trickledown effect. Like Reaganomics in the 80’s

  16. Ronald Reagan is still a hero to some. They talk about his economic policies in the hushed tones appropriate to the worship of a saint.

    But their hero bears faint resemblance to the polished image that devoted admirers have constructed.

    Campaigning (twice!) on a platform of “small government” he presided over the largest increase in the national debt in his country’s history – a record that wasn’t broken until George W. Bush came into office.

    In his zeal to cut taxes on the wealthy few percent, he refrained from cutting government spending to match. He made large cuts to various social programs, but he had a soft spot in his heart (some say his head) for military spending. His own budget guru – David Stockman of “supply side” economics fame – quit in disgust at Reagan’s failure to control military spending.

    Some claims have been made that Reagan “won” the Cold War by outspending the Soviets, but these claims ignore the fact that the Soviet economy had been faltering for decades and their own ill-advised and expensive invasion of Afghanistan probably had more to do with putting the Soviet economy into a death spiral than Reagan’s military spending. This is an interesting historical tidbit considering George W Bush’s own more recent military adventure in Iraq will ultimately cost American taxpayers almost 3 trillion dollars by some estimates. The American economy will be staggering under this burden for decades, but all this is forgotten in the wake of the economic meltdown which occurred in the last year of Bush’s second term and the ensuing financial bailout.

    Since Reagan’s name is frequently invoked when people attack socialism for its redistribution of wealth, it should be noted that his “carte blanche” approach to Pentagon spending represented a huge redistribution of wealth from taxpayers to the corporations in the military-industrial complex. Stories of $500 hammers and $800 toilet seats represent the bloated budgets that various military departments had to work with and also the obscene profits being made by corporations at the taxpayers’ expense.

    Thus was Ronald Reagan able to pile up the largest public debt in American history, while remaining a hero to those particular fiscal conservatives who apparently know nothing about history, politics or economics.

    The portion of the U.S. workforce which is unionized has been falling steadily since the Reagan years, hardly a coincidence. He implemented a program of eradicating unions and he started with the nation’s air traffic controllers. The aviation system in the U.S. took years to recover from that Reagan policy. His two administrations also removed worker protections (more “streamlining” of the economy) and made it more difficult for unions to organize workers. These were “corporate friendly” moves that did nothing to improve American workers’ freedoms.

    Naturally when people look around these days the biggest unions they see are government unions, but there was a time when the biggest unions represented workers in the industrial sectors – manufacturing and mining for example. Those unions have been decimated by the same forces which brought us globalization and lowered trade barriers, shipping manufacturing and processing jobs overseas.

    Peggy Noonan, one of Reagan’s speechwriters and now a conservative pundit/ talking head on the networks, wrote a loving hagiography about Reagan’s presidency called “When Character Was King”. Maybe she spent as much time sleeping during his presidency as he did or perhaps she kept her hands over her ears when the Iran-Contra arms scandal was being plotted or when its perpetrators were being prosecuted. The man who famously wouldn’t “negotiate with terrorists” was quite ready to deal when he wanted to secretly fund his illegal proxy war in Nicaragua.

    Reagan was a buffoon who, unfortunately, became the most powerful man in the world for eight years.

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