To the group of guys commenting on my friend and I’s appearances pretty loudly last night as we sat at a table – is that even a standardized scale? What were your expectations? That we would be flattered and hop on one of your chicken-wing stained laps?
Probably not, but you probably weren’t thinking “bro, let’s objectify some ladiez 2nite because they are the weaker gender”, either. I bet there are actually a handful of good people in your crew, so try and think for yourselves next time your bros start getting rowdy, and how it is really, really not cool to try and belittle the people around you.
“They kind of look uncomfortable”. Yeah, you made us feel like by merely sitting there we were making ourselves available to be scrutinized and gawked at. That is not a way to treat other people, regardless of if you are at a bar and the UFC game is on and there are hella fine young ladies sippin wine nearby. —A Nice Gal
This article appears in Oct 2-8, 2014.
Are you in your forties? Why are you “sipping wine” in a sports bar?
A guy goes to the doctor. He says, Doctor, Doctor! It hurts when I do this. The Doctor says, “Don’t do that”.
“my friend and I’s appearance”.
I weep for the English language.
The siren song of their Tapout shirts was to strong to overcome. Admit it.
… the appearance of my friend and I… it’s all about structure.
“the UFC game is on” … wow.
uh, you weren’t there for the ‘game’, were you…
in short, fuck those guys.
A STANDARDIZED SCALE?
“To the group of guys commenting on my friend (sic) and I’s (sic) appearances pretty loudly last night as we sat at a table – is there even a standardized scale?” A Nice Gal
This of course is a question in aesthetics, that branch of philosophy dealing with the nature of beauty. What is beauty and are there objective criteria in terms of which it might be assessed or, on the contrary, is beauty totally subjective, residing in the eye of the beholder as the saying goes? The question reduces to the dilemma relating to philosophical realism. Do concepts like beauty have an existence independent of the views of the one doing the assessing or are such views merely fleeting and contingent matters, subject to time and circumstance?
For philosophical realists like Plato, Beauty, like Truth and the Good, constitute the “Forms” or the “Ideas” which are eternal and underlie fleeting and contingent appearance. Platonism has informed western civilization, particularly Christianity which has incorporated the Platonic Ideas which render existence meaningful. So yes, for philosophical realists the Idea of Beauty not only has a greater reality than its contingent embodiments but, indeed, serves to render the chaos of individual existence meaningful. A corollary to Plato’s metaphysics, of course, is that standards or gradations of Beauty have comparable objective existence.
On the other hand, the question of the nature of Beauty and its standardized scale is meaningless for radical subjectivists like the current Post-Modernists for whom any transcendent metaphysics of whatever sort is an illusion and a chimera. In other words, for them there is no “metanarrative” which might give structure to existence, whether in time or place. (One variant of Post-Modernism of coure is “Post-Structuralism” but it reduces to the same thing.) However, the question is just how did the Post-Modernists know this? Are they simply offering the absence of any metanarrative as the “true” metaphysics which, of course, is self-contradictory in theirn own terms. If they aren’t, then what exactly are they offering?
You might want to engage the guys at the UFC Fight Night for their views on this matter. Write back soon.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
“My friend and I’s”
Must be a Newfoundlander.
Yeah those guys are definitely doing it wrong. Sounds like they are stuck in the mentality of 12 year old boys. “If I pull her hair and run away she will chase me”. But dudes who go to sports bars to watch UFC games aren’t exactly shining examples of the male population – though OB didn’t claim that they were and I thank her for that. My new pick-up line is “I’m a feminist.” haha it actually works, guys. I’m not fucking kidding.
fuck you OB!! you made me feel self-conscious while eating my chicken wings and beer while i was trying to enjoy the UFC fight. made me feel lesser turning up your nose and rolling your eyes so i stared back at you and sneered because you thought you were all that!! you lit the fuse and couldnt handle the BOMB!! next time pick a girlfriends house to watch the fight before being pissy with me for having a bit of sauce drop on my pants ffs. FUCK YOU
Something new…… UFC bunnies at a sports bar sipping wine.
If I look in a window and see something I find offensive like a pussy, is it the fault of the pussy or me for looking in the window in the first place?
There. Hate that metaphor “ladies”.
LMAO “UFC game”
Is it sexist/anti-feminist to laugh at some stupid bitch’s stupid bitch?
ugh, dudes can suck sometimes. the comments here prove that.
You suck all the time pristine rainbow, go cry about it on youtube.
” My new pick-up line is “I’m a feminist.” haha it actually works, guys. I’m not fucking kidding.”
HA! – Ho!s+ has inadvertently revealed his true identity
http://feministing.com/files/2011/10/tumbl…
Loved you in “The Believer” , Bru.
Is your avatar a picture of something that crawled out of your pubic hair?
How about: next time bros are being douches to you in public, call them out on it. Don’t let them be douches. If you don’t speak up to the bullies, they think it’s okay to be douches. Take a few moments while you sip your wine to come up with a couple of witty retorts. They shouldn’t be stupid enough, or drunk enough, to start something with women in a bar. Shame them into shutting the fuck up. Bully the bully. Grow some vag ffs. Complaining about it here will only get you ridiculed more. (Unfortunately)
I don’t know what most of that stuff meant, Ivan, but Ryan Gosling is one handsome fella. No, I literally just say “I’m a feminist”. I’ve only done this twice but both times it was a great conversation starter. Then, after a while, they realize I’m not the feminist they thought and well, that’s that. I do believe that women are equal, should have equal opportunities, equal pay for equal work, etc…but modern feminism (anything that refers to male privilege, patriarchy or male entitlement) definitely not.
MM, it’s actually the flying spaghetti monster but I like yours better.
“Complaining about it here will only get you ridiculed more. (unfortunately)” – Scroll through the Bitch section – 75% of them are some woman whining about some random dudes being douches. The rest is a mixture of bike/bus bitches and the occasional scone mishap. This is the only stuff that the MOD’s posts. Now, if you check out my original reply on this thread, I agreed with OB. But most of the time these women are being very over-dramatic and making themselves out to be some victim of a horrible systemic atrocity that doesn’t exist (at least in the case of their bitch). And yes, they get called out on it. But if you read the comments on any bitch, at least half of them are calling out the OB on some shit or another. That’s how free speech/freedom to express an opinion works.
Now, on to your advice for OB – I’m not sure I agree. Playing into that game of exchanging insults with these guys is exactly what they want. They wanted attention and had their buddies there to back them up. You mistakenly assumed that if OB and her friend could think of witty enough replies that they could shame the meat-heads into submission. This is false. OB and her friend could say the smartest, most hilarious thing, the meatheads still have their drunken group mentality and support of their other douche brethren. All it would be at that point would be an exchange of insults, which is what they wanted to begin with. I know it’s a cop-out but if they were really bothered by these guys remarks, a better way to go would be to inform bar-staff that they were being harassed. Someone from the bar (responsible for supplying them with alcohol and allowing them to keep watching the game) would come and talk to them and/or ask them to leave.
all hail his noodley goodness, colanders for all my friends
In the name of the feta, the spoon and the garlic toast, amen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dk6Y9uIwiM…
Hoes will be hoes.
‘Tis true Hoist, he is good looking.
Speaking of which, I’m going to have to overcome the extreme tedium that Brad Pitt engenders as well as my dislike for AllPraise TheBeef and go see the upcoming “Fury”, if only for the fact that one of the co-stars is Tiger 131, from The Tank Museum in Bovington – the ONLY Tiger tank in the world in running condition.
Wargasms for Uncle Vanya