I know, I know… I am gay too. We have somthing in “common”. This doesn’t mean I am your “bff”. You are a skinny little twig of a man with a lispy voice and an attitude that needs some serious adjustment.
Asking me if I think someone is “hot”, telling me about your “crazy like omg too drunk of purple Rev and coolers party weekends”, and having somethign to say about how everyone dresses is not appropriate.
Furthermore, just because you’re gay doesn’t mean that everything that comes out of your mouth has to revolve around that aspect of your life. I am gay and I talk about lots of varied subjects – cars, the economy, weather, professional development, sports, clothes, and so on. Rarely does the subject of my conversations turn to my sexuality as being an influence on every aspect of my life -maybe you ought to take somethign away from this.
Finally, you are over 30 – I am in my 20’s. Even I am over the whole “party hearty and talk about it like it’s going out of style” phase of my life. We are professionals – act like it.
—S.McQueen
This article appears in Jul 2-8, 2009.
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I’m completely with you on that one! Just because I’m gay doesnt mean I have to be your friend!
Hey, MacQueen, wanna go get a drink? 🙂
I’m with you too. For me the “we are family” gets kinda old.
The thing is, we are all at different phases of development. Skinny little twig guy, who just may be developmentally slow, may too one day snub his nose at his former self. Even ‘professionals’ come in all phases of developement.
maybe that’s the difference between the the guys that play the masculine versus the feminine roles…. ewwwwwwwwwwwwww, I can’t believe I just thought about it. Yuck. I need a shower.
Wow, real tolerant, Kay.
Kay’s just jealous that a guy is more lady-like compared to herself.
Unnecessary, Kay.
Maybe dude just came out recently and he’s making up for all those years of pretending. But yeahhhh….probably not.
You’re right, I digress. I shouldn’t say things like that out loud. Maybe being straight in a weird world is like being a non-smoker in a smoker’s world. Unnecessary, but heartfelt. Sorry.
Apology accepted.
Gay or straight, many of us have probably dealt with a too-friendly co-worker at some point. They prattle on endlessly, tell you way too much about their personal lives, and speak in conspiratorial tones about your fellow coworkers. Sounds like Twig Man is the insecure type – he struggles with feeling like he belongs, and feels the need to have a ‘friend’ wherever he goes. The best thing to do is keep him at a cool distance, and hope he eventually takes the hint.
And Kay, shower all you want, you’ll still be nasty on the inside.
nasty? I’m so nice…. you have no idea. You probably know me and think I’m your BFF
You’re right, Kay, I really have no idea, because you’re nothing but nastiness, trash-talk, and absurdity on here. Maybe you’re a sweetheart in real life, but I doubt it. Even if you are ‘nice’, you still come on here to act like an intolerant buffoon, which leads me to believe you’re either mentally disturbed or desperately lacking in fulfilling pastimes. As far as me being your BFF, I’m really sorry, but I’ve already met my charity obligations for this year.
Well said, me0w. Well said.
Meow for mayor !!!!!! Dang…. NOW that is a biotch slap…
I’m sure I’d be a different person if I didn’t have LTWWB as an outlet for the supreme bitch in me.
Kay, I actually think you had nothing to apologize about. is the world so GD PC that you can’t say THAT?? FFS next thing you won’t be able to say “fat”.
Aw, a l’il troll sidekick. How cute.
The thought of two males having sexual relationship is gross, in my opinion.
As far as I know we are still allowed to think what ever we want. Has society moved to block free thought and speech?
People have gone too far with this notion of being politically correct.
This has nothing to do with being PC. No one asked your or her opinion, and it has nothing to do with the topic at hand. It’s basically just a way to change the subject and be all “hey! hey!!! look at me over here! did I mention I think you’re GROSSIE??”
If you find two males having sex ‘gross’, most of us here don’t want to hear your opinion. It offers absolutely nothing to the discussion here. It’s an aside that could have easily been left unsaid.
I third Mole Rat and TTFN’s comment. If the bitch had’ve warranted your personal opinions on same sex sexuality, Kay and Scott, it would’ve asked for it.
Also, Guyute: it’s not “fat” it’s “thinly challenged” 😛
You people have confused this public bitch board with your own private living room. Don’t want my opinion, don’t read it!
What’s really odd is me0w and Rat here would show respect if I were a transsexual crack whore just coming out of the closet to lobby for gay rights. Imagine if we had thought police. me0w would be chief dictator in charge abolishing all thoughts not weird and Rat would be enforcer extraordinaire.
This bitch DOES ask for an opinion about gay behavior. Just because you don’t like what we think doesn’t mean our thoughts are invalid or inappropriate and don’t belong right here on LTWWB.
kitty, it’s that time again. Get some would ya? Put a little red back in your hair
wow it’s 2009 and some people are still grossed out by so called “gays”
not kool
yes, anal references still have that special way of spoiling breakfast for the vast majority
well…. its the reality.. that’s just what 2 boys do.
Honestly, Kay, you’re more obsessed with gay sex than a dude wearing ass-less chaps in a leather bar. This bitch was about a man acting inappropriately in an office, and had nothing to do with anyone’s sexual activities. It’s only due to your own hang-ups that someone mentions the word ‘gay’ and you immediately conjure images of anal sex.
I find it funny how bigots are the first ones to hide behind ‘freedom of speech’, while simultaneously condoning others for speaking and acting with freedom. It’s true though, you’re fully entitled to hold derogatory views of gays, and you’re free to hate other races too. You’re free to speak your mind about it, or even organize in a group and demonstrate about it. In fact, there’s a whole bunch of hate groups out there that I’m sure would love to have your special brand of unabashed ignorance among their ranks. However, when you speak to a group of decent human beings about the ugly, hate-fueled things inside your head, expect it to go over like a lead balloon.
You’re entirely free to declare your prejudices loudly and proudly, Kay, but you’ll only succeed in making yourself look like a despicable, small-minded twit, and open yourself up to criticism and ridicule. Keep it up though, I find it amusing to watch your statements become more ludicrous and nonsensical with every post you make. You really help to further my point, so thanks 🙂
me0w that deserves an applause!!!
Just what I was thinking meow….on a forum like this you’re free to say (almost) whatever you want, but others are also perfectly free to criticize what you say. The road goes both ways. Stop hiding behind free speech so you don’t have to answer for anything.
Anyway, this is fucked. Maybe next time we can try not to let the shidiots derail everything. Later losers!
its 2009 times of change
people should accept people for being people
Since it has been scientically proven that being gay is genetically ‘programmed’ just like being hetero, it is no different than one’s eye colour, natural hair colour or the size of one’s feet. We are all born as we are. Individualism. Isn’t nature’s diversity a wonderful gift?
Live and let live I say. Just because something isn’t your particular cup of tea does not negate another’s right to respect because it is their cuppa.
To the OP: I agree with you. It must be annoying to have instant comraderie thrust upon you because that employee just happens to be gay. Every gay person I have known has handled being gay in their own unique way. Yours and the other fellow’s appear to be at opposite ends of the spectrum.
jezzz Kay!!!
get over it boys like boys! move on!
as long as their not doing you up the ass you should not be concerned!
What people do in their bedroom is their business not yours
Straight people have anal sex too, Kay.
But that’s ok, isn’t it, because it involves a man and a women and not two men.
Hope I didn’t ruin your lunch!
…ok maybe I hope I did just a lil.
Kay’s a product her environment, as we all are.
If you could see and hear some of the lame-assedness outside my window right now (ie – Calgary Stampede, a 10-day celebration of rampant redneckery) you might have a little more insight into why she feels the way she feels about certain things.
No offense Kay – I think you’re a hoot and the day you stop posting is the day I quit this bitch entirely.
“What people do in their bedroom is their business not yours”
AGREED! WHOLEHEARTEDLY! I want nothing to do with it yet there’s even an annual fucking parade to educate me and my family on the subject.
I think we’d all agree butt fucking is dirty… probably in a good way, but still dirty. Imagine including that tidbit in the standard birds & bees chat with your teenager. *shivers* Some people are offended by having to explain erectile dysfunction to their kids or are bothered by an animated bear sporting pieces of dirty tissue on his bum as a result of public advertising. Explaining gay pride weekend to the kids… now I that I asked for! Sure! Thanks!
can someone explain to me how “it has been scientically proven that being gay is genetically ‘programmed’ “
I’ve heard rumour of a gay gene but I’ve heard it recounted/diminished too. If it were scientific fact I don’t think the gay community would not encounter so much political interference.
But Kay, when straight people talk about being hit on inappropriately at work, does your mind go immediately to envisioning them having sex with each other? That’s a weird leap, if you ask me.
Bizarre leap, in fact. I wasn’t picturing male on male action when I originally read this post.
Why do some people immediately envision the act of sex when it comes to discussing gays? Yes, they have anal sex. If it grosses you out, stop thinking about it. Your parents have sex, and that’s okay by you, even though it’s gross to think about. It should be the same story with gay sex. Just let it go.
I actually feel a little bit sorry for Kay and the fact that her life experiences/environment have damaged her in such a way that human sexuality is this vulgar, filthy thing. It’s kind of sad to think of people who are that repressed, who actually recoil at the thought of even speaking to their kids about what it is to be gay. Or that only think of gay people in terms of who and how they fuck, rather than as multi-faceted human beings, whose sexuality is just one part of who they are.
P.S. Anal sex, like any other type of sex, can be as figuratively dirty as you please, and as literally dirty as your own standards of personal hygiene allow. And at some point, it may be wise to talk to your teenager about it, because they could very well be having it, whether you approve or not. Chew on that with your morning toast 🙂
Pssttt – don’t tell Kay there’s shitloads of wild and domestic animals who also like a little boy on boy action.
Hey Kay, your comments here are nothing but cheesy, overly-scripted quips and sound bites. You’re like a charecter invented by some old lady author who thinks she knows all about the ‘modern woman.’ Your comments are so cliched, I’m just waiting for you to tell someone to “Talk to the Hand”
…or ‘Talk To The Butt’.
FOR the record, bitches, I’m quite a sensual women and love raunchy sex as much as anybody, including my rock star husband. I am not stunted, tainted, or naive. I’m simply STRAIGHT, not gay. Holy fuck… what kind of vision SHOULD somebody get when the only information they have about a man is that they’re gay? Ask your boyfriend. Male gay sex comes to mind… I don’t think I’m alone in my thinking. What do you imagine, kitty? Two men shopping for shoes together? Who’s the naive one here? That’s not the message the gay pride parade puts out there either.
Perhaps the thought of a gay man shouldn’t conjure thoughts of the guy in the Special K commercial trying to be a cop or some other position that requires a little backbone but I just can’t help myself. The stereotype is so fitting.
Let’s just count harmful bacteria to define ‘dirty’ and we can all agree anal sex is all that. Don’t believe me, have a look at trichomonas under a microscope or take a careful whiff of the harbour.
I’ve noticed nobody has ponied up any info on the science behind being gay and that, essentially, is my problem. Step up to the plate and admit homosexuality is a CHOICE rather than a genetic predisposition and we’ll have some “meat” for this debate… not that there’s anything to debate.
Gay wild and domesticated animals? You know animals clean their bums with their tongues, right? Do gay men have that in common with their animal friends too?
Every animal on the planet fucks. Considering an animal doesn’t have forethought, wisdom, choices nor knowledge of the consequences of their behavior the only difference between animals and human beings fucking are their motives.
And here we go again with the diarreah-inducing corn. Kay, you are so frigging corny I have never seen anything like it.
“i’m not stunted, tainted, or naive”
Now that’s got such a snappy ring to it! You are just aaalll woman, Kay! I’m snapping my fingers across the air and jutting my neck in and out feeling your sense of empowerment. Oh yeahhh!
T.M.I… Who’s ewww-inducing now, Kay? Nobody wants to hear about your raunchy sex life, or anyone else’s for that matter.
I can’t believe I just thought about that. Now I need a shower.
Kay you are very wrong. A CHOICE? Absolutely NOT a choice. Well I suppose one can choose to live their life in the closet and have all their suppressed feelings come out in some sick homophobic way.
Can someone cite the “being gay is genetically ‘programmed'” article please? I am interested in seeing how they validate their conclusions.
As for the issue of homosexuality being genetically programmed or a product of their environment, I think it is a moot point here. The OP has an issue with his co-worker’s behaviour, their sexuality just happens to be something in common. Replace “gay” and “sexuality” with “blonde” and “hair colour” or other traits and you will see my point.
qwerty, nobody complained about being hit on in the workplace. The OP complains because his coworker is acting like the gay guy he is going on like a 15 yr old girl… from a certain perspective the OP hates the fact that the guy’s “hair is blond” (er whatever). No choices involved? Think again.
Whoa i missed out on some bitching!
-> “Gay wild and domesticated animals? You know animals clean their bums with their tongues, right? Do gay men have that in common with their animal friends too?”
Fucking hilarious!
BUT ONCE AGIAN! if people wanna take it in the ass thats their business so leave it at that!
ooooo maybe kay secretly likes it……jk
Although it cannot be said conclusively that homosexuality is determined solely by genetics, it can be pretty definitively said that it’s not a choice. However, I tend to doubt that ANY supporting scientific evidence would actually change the minds of those convinced otherwise. The intolerant have a way of ignoring any facts they find inconvenient.
In any case, here’s an article on the subject, for any who are interested:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/0…
Adults not prepared to prepare their child(ren) about their own bodies and their developing persons including their their budding sexuality which could include gaydom should not be parents. Suicide among gay teens is shameful and is largely due to their parents/family rejection and conditional love.
Excussssssssssse me but I’ve never thought of sex because someone happened to be gay – perhaps I was concentrating too much on other parts of their character. By the logic presented here, I’d have to be thinking about straight couples having sex as well as gay ones. I’m afraid I have better things to do with my time.
This topic or ‘off-topic’ is broiled, boiled and deep-fried. It’s done.
This discussion would be so much more interesting if we discussed adults who dress in stuffed animal costumes to fuck each other.
In discussing the bedroom practices of gay people here, why does the subject not include gay women who may or may not choose the same activity(ies) as gay men? Being gay is not exclusive to the male gender.
I don’t wonder, Fat. Don’t have to. Do you sometimes wonder if your mother is really a guy under all those female parts?
OOOO snap!!!!
Well the topic was brought on about 2 boys but your right 2 girls can do the same….ish
jane if you were single and i were a chick i’d totally get lesbianified with ya.
LOL too funny!
No need to be personal…. no need to be crass… no need to piss Desi off, knock it off
Ya know, I just have to add: Kay, you are making people from Alberta look bad. Just for the record, we are not ALL neanderthal homophobes, even though this is the stereotype.
When I am with my gay friends (and I have several very, very close and dear gay boy and girl friends that I have known and loved all my life) I am thinking about them as PEOPLE first and foremost. “Hey there is my friend . . . how nice to see you again . . .” that kind of thing.
I am not immediately envisioning what they do when they have sex, any more than I would visualize that with any of my straight friends or family. That would certainly grow tiresome . . .
Almost everybody in the world has sex at some time or another in their lives. A person who has sex with another person, male or female, isn’t any more or less “dirty” or “gross” than any other.
Maybe you should worry less about what people do in bed (I am sure what you do in bed isn’t very appetizing for the general public) and think of people more as human beings, living their lives, some quite fabulously, by the way.
Also, there is a regular feature in this newspaper called “Savage Love” that you might find informative and entertaining if you ever care to check it out.
Ya Kay..I’m sure people easily choose to be gay so that they can be treated like shit by assholes like you. Man, that sounds like a plan to me, sign me up. O wait, I’m bi so I get razzed from both sides. What a fucking awesome choice that is.
lol It’s 8-on-1… like half the fights in Halifax these days!
Born Gay it is not a choice ?
Sexually Challenged. Would that be politically correct term or description for people that are Gay?
I am old enough to remember that all happy folks were gay….conversely… all sad folks were not gay!
Raise your hand if you are happy!
😉
Angel, the boy who would grow to become the gay man was probably just as upset at the thought of kissing a girl the first time. EVERYBODY is uncomfortable developing their sexual identity. Change, even when it’s good, creates stress and that’s what puberty is… change. The gay man would run and hide from such terrible, oh-so-terrible stress and that’s why you don’t see the limp wristed running into burning buildings as firemen or enforcing the law as a policeman. Nope, these are the soft “nurses” of the bunch and I don’t have to like that particular character trait in anybody regardless of who or how they get laid. I guess I’m the product of a female mind that has an expectation of the male brain (fair accurate) stereotype. Oh well. You’ll all get over my opinion if you want to.
Oh Alberta, land of the dinosaur.
Let’s stop feeding them.
oh now Nice Goin’ Fat we all know i am single!
Kay:
I know lot’s of gay firefighters, soldiers, police officers, doctors, lawyers. Sorry hunny, but I don’t care how limp the wrist, if the man or woman wants to pull me from a burning building the last thing on my mind is whether or not s/he is gay. Let’s hope the next time you need your life saved that the firefighter, police officer etc. isn’t gay otherwise your skanky whore of an ass would be shit out of luck now wouldnt it?
As an FYI – you’d be shocked how many gay Canadian Forces members there are in Halifax. Probabally even more shocked to see what would happen if they all stopped spending their paycheques here….
Again, the difference between the male and female roles of a homosexual. Imagine the guy in the Special K commercial trying to make anybody do anything. Diana Gabeldon, save me, save me!
psssft who likes special k
Isn’t Special K Rice Krispies on steroids.
Cowtown, what a fucking hole. And of course there are no gays there. Right.
i think so!
there much more plump
I didn’t think I’d be saying this buuuutt I’m kind of on the side for homosexuality being genetically programmed. My mum’s best friend thought her son would turn out to be gay at age 2 when he insisted on playing with barbies non-stop, while his friends were ruff ‘n rowdy playing with the trucks and building blocks. He just announced he was gay last year, at age 16. It’s tough to know what exactly the reason for it is…but I feel like some people are just born that way and honestly can’t help their feelings toward the opposite sex.
jane we should party. i’m single too, and oh so handthome!
dino, its interesting you point that out; a few years back in a psychology course i learned that if a mother has several sons but no daughters, the youngest males have more potential to be homosexual. its due to a hormonal balance/resistance/something that occurs when the baby is developing in the mothers womb.
and a former roommate who’s a psych grad read up on the psychology behind homosexuality and said that its due to a hormonal imbalance in the gay male. she said she didn’t like reading it but its what she got from a few texts and research cases.
NGF: ” kay’s rockstar husband’s next smash single is titled “Peg”
HAHAHAHAHA
he performs it in the key of al bundy. christina applegate appears on the remix.
hahaha thats priceless!!!!!! i bet she’ll love it!!
haha sure thing i dont know what handthome means Nice Goin’ Fat haha
I grew up with a kid like that same story! only hes 20 now
No gays there, right. Have you been to the Stampede? No question, there is more glitter there than at Toronto Pride!
handthome = handsome in my phony lisp writing 😛
OMG thats priceless and made me lauph really loud!!!
Jammie, I’m not sure all the “cowfolk”, Indians and wranglers would agree
You should tell the fellow that you simply don’t really care what he does on the weekends.
On a separate note, I was born a Tall, White, Straight, Male! How lucky am I!!! Too bad we can’t all be so fortunate.
My god, Kay is there no limit to your outdated stereotypes?
What the hell part of Alberta did you grow up in—Eckville?
Gay men, in addition to being something you consider “disgusting” (for “bizarre” practices that you think straight people never do) are also all limp-wristed cowards incapable of behaving like responsible adults in “hard” “masculine” professions?
Better re-read what “Ustwess” posted about the numbers of gay male firefighters, policemen, soldiers . . . and let me add businessmen, professional athletes (and not just figure skating), and doctors, surgeons, scientists and engineers . . . all of whom are the furthest thing from the traumatized little babies who can’t handle stress you keep imagining them to be.
People’s lives—possibly your own— are saved every day by some very smart and courageous people that you would never imagine being gay—and confidently gay— because you are so blinded by a stereotype.
Take a look around, you will be amazed at what you see.
And they even exist in Alberta, whether the rednecks there like it or not.
gay men love me.
Again, Ruby, evidence of the difference between the feminine and masculine roles of the homosexual. One needs to possess strong personality traits to pull off professions that would impose authority over others.
kay, you’re right. Thousands of burly men in tight jeans, chaps and boots can’t possibly be gay.
All those big manly cowboys and injuns are perfect caricatures of old ideas about masculinity, and so are the Village People.
There is a reason Ang Lee made that little independent film about gay cowboys eating pudding.
I just googled some gay porn (for research purposes) and I have to agree with RubyJane….Gay guys are very muscular and masculine.
Miles, that is priceless….LOL
I worked in this local gym and at around the same time this posse of guys would come in and do the macho thing…. weeks later I was told that they all got busted doing gay porn because the $$$ was soooo good….
ahem..you doing gay porn=you gay…..but they had g/f and openly acted hetero.
Anyway these guys were the biggest guys in the gym….there is something to that….. pure narcissism perhaps?
haha well if your googling porn of course!! there not going to put some hairy fat dude people wont watch!
gay men are not all full fo muscles and some arnt girlie they look like average people!
but that made me lauph
Just because you make a few movies in college that you aren’t entirely proud of but you did it anyway because I needed the money to pay for that car that I really needed doesn’t make one gay.
I’m sure a lot of hot guys would give a little (or take a little) guy on guy action for the right money without being gay. I’m pretty sure the hot girls making out with each other on the other websites I check out (also for research purposes) aren’t actually lesbians either. People will do lots of things they don’t enjoy if the money is right.
i do not doubt it
someone say something about making a quick 5 bucks?
If you’re not too quick we can make it $20.
each?
I think the catcher should get more.
rock, scissor, paper?
So, Kay by your logic, those gay men who work in the traditionally “feminine” professions (like nursing) are nothing but traumatized, cowardly men worthy of your disgust, and those in the traditionally “masculine” professions (like firefighting or engineering) are just doing those only to fulfill a fantasy role and “impose their authority over others”—clearly making them psychologically damaged and unworthy of these important responsibilities.
Gosh, I guess the best thing in your view would be for gay men to choose no profession at all. Then no one could criticize them for the “gayness” of their career choice.
Out of curiosity, what psychological gender trauma led you to choose your career?
NGF: I’m not familiar with those maneuvers…It seems I have a lot to learn about being gay. I’ll have to do more googling.
it was to decide who gets to catch (or who doesn’t)
These gay but not really guys never told their g/f which is just WRONG
My theory is that homophobia stems from the appearance of flamboyantly dressed homosexuals, which in turn makes some people assume that ALL homosexuals dress/act in that manner. But it’s important for these select individuals (i.e kay) to realize that when it comes down to it, there are straight men who choose to act in unfavorable manners, just as gay men do, and that the majority of gay men aren’t as flamboyant as a homophobe may assume. Ultimately, stereotypes are to blame here.
RubyJane, you forgot that all males in the performing arts are gay. (your sracasm to kay). That means……kay’s……..rock…..star……hubby…..must…..be……..gay. LOL.
My b, ”just as *some* gay men do”
I agree with Dino Jr., pretty much all forms of fear originate with someone/something being different and not matching what general public considers as “normal”. I’m bi and I don’t match the typical “gay” stereotype. My ex-bf always complained that I wasn’t “gay enough” and it pissed me off that I was expected to match some stereotype to be with someone.
Love’s an emotion that pretty much anyone can experience. Who’s to say that the love you feel for someone is wrong?
Crazy! I for one LOVE both my flamboyant gays and my toned down ones (but all my friends are fun, so that could be my bias – I fully admit to being a bit of a hag).
Just one question for kay – I got the impression from your posts that you were discussing the ‘feminine’ and ‘masculine’ roles of the gay male when discussing the different professions. Can you just clarify, do you mean the pitcher and the catcher, as Miles and NGF have been hilariously discussing, when you discuss the type of gay male that is found in these different professions? Just curious as that is what I thought you meant but no one has really commented on that gem.
NGF…I know. I was just making jokes. Next time that joke will be better though, because I’m going to replace all the words with new words that are funny.
Pissedoff…some love can be wrong. Pedophiles love little kids. I think it’s safe to say that is wrong. I’m all for love between consenting adults though, no matter the preference. Just thought it was worth pointing out that not ALL “love” is healthy love.
Especially if you’re in love with Twinkies.
The cream-filled snack food?
Thanks for pointing that out Miles. Guess I shouldn’t drink and post eh?
Random trivia fact via Family Guy: Twinkies (the food) could survive a nuclear holocaust. Disturbing.
Is this cowboy masculine enough for you kay?
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Miles. You are brilliant.
I’m laughing too hard…
Gay or not, soft men make me cringe… and I mean that.
Sweet jebus, this thread is still alive?? Well, if there’s anything positive to say about Kay’s opinions, it’s that they bring the opposing and amusing comments out in full force.
Miles, while I get what you were trying to say, I have to disagree with you. I don’t think what pedophiles do to children has anything to do with love. It’s about control, release of repressed emotion, and a host of other fucked up things I’d prefer not to think about. Of course, it depends on how you’re defining ‘love’, but I’m assuming we’re talking about the feeling between human beings and not the type of love I feel for a new pair of shoes, right?
I think people get so freaked b/c they are afraid society will punish them if they did not banish the non-conformists. Why be freaked b/c someone is more about the flam and others are more about the glam?
Liking any marginalized group becomes ‘fashionable’ when society through the mediums say it is….
What is IT that really that freaks folks out about being gay and why the double standard…women on women action is cool but man on man action is gross??
What is IT….
I am androgynous so I guess I just do not get the big to do.
REPOSTED and EDITED for right thread….
We often ignore when we should not the number of men and women who are homosexual from childhood sexual abuse.
I feel badly for this group as they will never know if they are ‘really’ gay…or acting our something psychological…only after much introspection will they know for sure. I know too many lesbians and gays men who are victims of child sexual abuse mostly committed by men and contribute their gaydom to those interruptions to early development (my words).
And while we are on it…..pedophilia (man /boy) behaviour IS not homosexual behaviour.
If childhood sexual abuse commonly results in victims ‘becoming’ homosexual then what does this tell us about the psychological versus physical (or genetic) aspects of ‘gaydom’? Raises my eyebrows.
I was gonna add that point but I figured you’d bring it up, kay. In my opinion it completely depends. My cousin turned out gay and he played with trucks as a kid and was a very masculine boy. His father was in the military when he was younger, so that begs the question, does growing up with a predominantly feminine atmosphere push a child to become gay? Or can they just choose to snap out of it? I think this is where kay gets her ”choice” argument from. I honestly don’t have a clear answer though.
I’m (obviously) no psych major, just a mom. Some of us take responsibility for who and what we are when we’re supposed to, during puberty. Most people I know, however, refuse to believe they choose their own feelings (instead their feelings control them) in addition to their own thoughts and actions. This is how a child breaks a cycle of poverty. This is how a child breaks the cycle of abuse… By assuming/choosing identities that reject values imposed by parents and others in their circle. It’s my opinion we chose our interests, be them sexual or otherwise.
this is approaching the record mark
Meow, I respect your view of pedophiles and I am no expert on the subject. However, as I understand it, many pedophiles are attracted to children the way other adults are attracted to people of their own age. In that sense, they feel they truly “love” the children they hurt. The difference, and what makes it so wrong, is that the children are not mature enough or in a position to reciprocate that love OR the physical expression of that love. This is different from the child molester whose actions may be motivated by the things you mentioned (control, etc). But, if I am wrong and pedophiles don’t actually think they love kids, then I retract my example.
Nobody said sexual abuse ‘commonly’ results in homosexuality, Kay. Don’t try to formulate another ridiculous theory by twisting someone’s words to suit your prejudices.
Dino, those questions have been asked by numerous studies, and the answer has been a resounding ‘no’. The environment in which we’re raised can have an impact on aspects of our personality, most certainly, but sexual orientation and personality are two very different things.
If being raised in a primarily ‘feminine’ environment made a dude gay, I guess you should tell that to any number of straight dudes I know who were raised by single mothers, and/or a bunch of aunts and sisters. Generally the only result was that they ended up with a healthy resect for women.
As for choosing ‘to snap out of it’, let’s talk about your heterosexuality. Can you choose to snap out it? Do you think you could honestly and happily live the rest of your life as a lesbian if society suddenly decided they didn’t approve of your heterosexuality?
I don’t mean to be offensive, Dino, so I hope you don’t take it that way, but I just hope that you can see what the suggestion of ‘choice’ sounds like to someone who is gay. For years, members of the psychiatric community tried to ‘deprogram’ gays, with disastrous results. There are some that are still attempting this demeaning process, and any ‘success’ they have is dubious. I mean, with the right amount of therapy, we could program Kay to be sexually attracted to monkeys, but it would ultimately be a falsehood (or would it?), and Kay would still probably want to have sex with human men in her usual kinky-but sensual fashion.
Nobody said sexual abuse ‘commonly’ results in homosexuality, Kay. Don’t try to formulate another ridiculous theory by twisting someone’s words to suit your prejudices.
meOw thanks for correcting that poster obvious confusion, I just could not be bothered….
paingirl, we broke the record last year before the new site was release… comments failed after 255.
mcgayle, “too many lesbians and gays men who are victims of child sexual abuse mostly… contribute their gaydom to those interruptions to early development”
I’m what? “twisting… words to suit [my] prejudice”. Take a dose of your own medicine there, chickie. mcgayle is much too vocal to be a nobody and dino is the best lookin’ somebody around here.
We make powerful choices as young people. For the same reason we shouldn’t expose our children to violence and gore (lest they become killers or something stranger) we shouldn’t inundate them with sexual innuendo other than what their genitals are really good for…. procreation via heterosexual coupling.
WARNING: READ WITH CARE
Miles, I worked with abused children hence my post and refuse to work with peds….but both of you are right…some are displaced ‘affections’ due to their own mislearning in their own childhood often victims themselves…. some are told the touching IS love and they think that is what they are doing and some are retaliations, jealousy, hate and cruelty and opportunity. Please excuse the oversimplification.
It also depends on type of abuse/when the abuse occurred and frequency of abuse and how many perps and who the perps are…
I have seen abused children who were not sexually abused but are abused in other ways do turn into molesters and this is the most fascinating piece to support how it is NOT about sex and like rape of women it is about hate (often self hate), power, control.
No one can make a blanket statement on sexual abuse and how it happens or how peds are made except it is deviant behaviour. Sadly often kids who are abused this way do grow up and abuse which is baffling because we want to know why they do it knowing their own pain when it happened to them BUT I suggest they do not KNOW their own pain at all and manifest it through this behaviour…
Again we cannot ignore how sexual abuse has a population of gay men and women that cannot attribute just to genetics.
The most confused folks I know are those who were abuse and are gay and they think that says they encouraged it or liked the abuse.
So while this guy is annoying at the office I prefer to act on compassion because you never know if he is going through this self doubt and needs some sort of validation from the ‘gay guy’.
I was asking the question in a rhetorical way, Meow, not in a way that reflects how I feel. More so in reflection of how other people I know feel.
Meow – Kay trained to be attracted to monkeys analogy…priceless. But very true.
Kay……it’s too bad you didn’t get your shower BEFORE you stuck your foot in your mouth………ewwwwwwwwwwww! Toe jams!!!
From both feet too!….ewwwwwwwwww!
The salt the driveway thread… Pure gold.
I believe you can choose who you love, and I’m making a choice: kay, from now on, I’m in love with you. Dirty, raunchy, perverted, animalistic, licky licky-lurrrve… Oh yeah, baby. In that way. Mmmm… I’m having some sick thoughts.
😉
Kay………..you don’t know any gay persons well………. do you?
How have you lived so long, so many trips around the Sun, and never managed to get to know a gay person enough to consider them a friend?
You need to get to know one well, make it a personal quest, add it to your bucket list. Your softwear needs updating, do yourself a big favour and do a little downloading if you get an opportunity to. Remember people are all different, so if the first opportunity doesn’t work for you, try the next.
If you don’t do this, you’re going to continue to have blinkers on and continue on with a very narrow vision of the world you live and function in. Wouldn’t you rather see and understand the truth before you than to live in your ignorant world? The world IS round Kay…………..embrace it!!
My 2 cents on the choice issue is that I can no more choose not to like women than I can choose not to like chocolate. Sure, I can tell myself I don’t like it, but it’s a lie. It’s not a question of not wanting to choose differently, it’s an inability to (even if I wanted to). The idea of a “choice” in this matter is, in my own experience, the true abnormality. I’d liken it to a straight person trying to convince themselves, for whatever reason, that they like the opposite sex. They would find that ridiculous. I don’t know why I’m capable of respecting that, but when I say it’s not a choice for me either, it’s not respected.
Not that it matters anyway…I’m sure to some it’s just a disease that needs to be eradicated, even if it was proven that it’s genetic or whatever.
I’m not sure why people here are wasting so much energy on this, as Miles put it more eloquently in another post a while back, Kay rarely actually addresses or tries to understand others’ point of view. There’s no dialogue here and no one’s POV is being changed – not that I have huge expectations or anything….but the older I get the more I am realizing what type of people on “the other side” are and aren’t worth spending precious time and energy debating with.
Qwerty, thanks for bringing up that thread again (344 comment still remain). That was epic. For anyone interested:
http://www.thecoast.ca/LovetheWayWeBitch/a…
I had almost completely forgotten about the random Gingerisms “Your behaviour is un canning”. *wipes tear* What a kid that one was.
Anywho, that was a little off topic. So…how ’bout those gays?
“soft men make me cringe”
Thats what she said… haha
Smee is right
I’m right?………………about the toe jams?
About everything Smee…except for that “world IS round” gobbley gook.
It is round damn it!………radio active too!!
I think people just choose to act as if it as round.
Are you trying to get me to say it’s a CHOICE?!!
Anyway……………………………..gays…………………..I tell ya…………………….they are soooo Gay!
So lonely here ……..late at night…………………………………………………..everybody’s gone to bed. Sigh………
I LOVE YOU SMEE!!!!!!
Love you too Dino……………Just take the smoke out of your mouth and I’ll give ya big kiss!!!
What smoke?
Hey Miles, just caught that ancient thread you posted – too funny. Million dollar question – why in the hell was Ginger hated with such a passion?
Wonders what kay would do if any of her kids came home and said “Mom, I’m gay”?
I’m still awaaaaaaaaaake.
But….whyyyyy
After re-reading these last two threads regarding homosexuality, I’m calling Kay’s bullshit.
I don’t think she has a problem with gay people at all. I think she’s just doing what she does best – stirring the pot.
I don’t believe for a second she actually holds true any of the outlandish things she says – i.e. smoking isn’t bad for you, gays are weirdos, etc. I think she’ll say anything to get a rise out of the rest of us.
Bottom line, I think Kay only says crap like this so she can sit back and get off on seeing everyone else seethe.
My two cents.
Actually, Jennie, like you, I add my two cents with all good intention. To learn, to teach, to share… I’m sorry you’re all so fucking offended.
You will not find weak people, in general, on my friend list but I stick up for them all the time.
And I love smoking… as much as my 90 year old grampa does. Whatever… get over me and add to the post if you dare.
Whatever Kay – not buyin’ it!
Smee your right about her foot in her mouth so tech yes to toe jam 🙂
Ginger was not hated by all i loved Ginger! she would just tell you how it is. Kay is trying to be like her but Ginger would make good points etc.
As for Kay stiring the pot agian eh? haha keep me enterained!
I’ll take this one.
It was a love/hate thing with Ginger.
She was the troll of all trolls – inflammatory, and she had about 18 different sock puppets she had the hardest time keeping track of, resulting in crazy contradictions about her life, job, marital status, in turn resulting in uber-flamage. She was inarticulate and often mixed up sayings and acronyms – ie, un-canning, and she claimed “lol” meant “laugh over laugh”.
She was beautiful.
i miss her
Hey qwerty – I read the entire post ”Salt the damn driveway”….
You’re a crazy motherfucker. (:
Holy shite, we’re almost gonna break the ”meanies.” record…
BITCH BITCHERS BERTCH.
meanies record?
I just read some of the comments on that thread – they are way out of order!
Meanies is an old thread under ‘discussions’
Reading the last 75% of comments, I have no clue what this bitch was ever about – until I read the first post…. my how we tangent (Yes, I turned tangent into a verb).
Yes. Funny how conversations flow.
🙂
Most threads are dead after 20-40 comments. After that, I say it’s a free for all. Hijack away.
Also, in the spirit of keeping this thread alive and considering the lack of new bitches being posted people should feel free to bring up a new topic for bitching on this thread.
Anyone had a bad day on the bus today?
I don’t ride the bus often enough to bitch about it. But you know what really grinds my gears? This weather. Does the sun even exist anymore? Is summer cancelled?
It’s my birthday next week, and usually by the time it rolls around, I’ve been to the beach and gone swimming at least half a dozen times. This year? Nada. Not one friggin swim by mid-July. What the fuck, people, WHAT. THE. FUCK?
Where do you swim that it’s warm enough in July? It’s usually early august before my local lake is warm enough to swim in.
I think summer is on strike anyway. It’s the only season that’s unionized and the sun was bitching about having to be out for 14hrs/day with no breaks.
According to the weathermen, it’s been the rainiest summer so far in 25 years.
Great. Just fucking great.
Makes for great surf though…so I’m havin’ a ball.
I usually swim in the lakes in the Valley, or in the ocean in the Hubbards area. Both are usually bathtub-like by this time of year, when the sun cooperates.
One of my more ‘interesting’ friends is convinced the weather right now is a result of a government/military conspiracy, involving the spraying of chemtrails in the atmosphere. I kind of wish there some validity to that theory, because at least I’d have someone to blame for this never-ending miserable greyness.
Ha ha.
I just googled the Chemtrail conspiracy. That’s a good one. “chemtrails” *shakes head*
There was a bitch about that a while ago wasn’t there?
Yes, there was indeed. It was all kinds of crazy.
kay’s rockstar husband’s next smash single is titled “Peg”
Posted by Donairious BIG on July 5, 2009 at 4:59 PM
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The beginning of the gay hate propaganda. Odd that his interaction with this Kay person seems to have been the spark that has set off his insane hatred of gays.