Dear Charity
I’m sorry. I cannot donate to your cause this year or next… or next. Possibly never again. You send out your army of volunteers to collect hard earned money from people with good intentions. You promise salvation to those you serve. I’m sure that 90% of that money goes to families who are truly in need.
Screen your recipient families please!! I don’t appreciate learning of parents who are gifting laptop computers and other expensive electronics to elementary children while receiving sponsorship from your organization! These people are not needy… only greedy!
And to the bitch who is accepting these gifts for her children… I hope that as your children open those donated gifts, you imagine the truly deprived child sitting giftless under his/her tree (if they have one) and realize you quite possibly are the reason he/she got nothing for Christmas!
—Keeping My Cash
This article appears in Dec 10-16, 2009.
okay, so single mom with X# of kids from X# of dad’s gets a gift card from one set of X# of grandparents intended for a laptop for grandchildren #X and YOU proclaim the single mom not needy? Did the laptop pay the fucking power bill too? I’ll bet you go out of your way to buy the cheapest no-name crap for the food hamper thinking beggars can’t be choosers too, eh? Fuck you and your donation, you presumptuous piece of SHIT.
The great thing about charities is that they are non-judgemental.
Who said she was single? Or having trouble with bills? If she was, would I be bitchin’ about it. Wise up retard!
You cannot judge a family’s need by the gifts the kids get for Christmas.
I have seen a mother save for months to get a secondhand older model laptop for $200 for her kid because he wanted and needed it for school. He had dyslexia and the software program helped him with his school work. As well, she bought the other kids secondhand gifts that they wanted. This left her with no money for holiday food, smaller presents (clothing, etc.), stocking stuffers or a tree.
I have seen a mother crying in dismay and panic when she was informed by her ex a week before Christmas that he would not be fulfilling his promise to make sure the kids had presents. She was fortunate enough to find help within days of Christmas. And, Christmas morning, her ex’s brother showed up unexpectedly from out of town with gifts. He had heard what his brother did and went out and bought the kids some really expensive gifts (game systems, etc.).
I saw another mother get help for Christmas and her package consisted of a two by three box with a chicken and three of everything (potatoes, brownies, etc.) as well as 3 dollar store bags of dollar store gifts for the kids. I cannot imagine what they were thinking to give only enough food to feed the kids. How could the kids possibly enjoy Christmas dinner with their mother sitting there with nothing? (I have never before or since saw anyone in my neighbourhood receive such a package.)
The point is, no one knows who will be moved to do what. Someone might get the kids something exceptional or they might decide they can’t afford to get the kids anything. Mothers’ know that the only way to insure that the kids are not disappointed is to do what they can themselves. Sometimes they get lucky, sometimes they scrape by. But rarely can single mothers afford to buy extravagant gifts and holiday food and all of the extras that are expected at Christmas. Often, even two parent families struggle to do this.
oh but HKM, nobody said the family was struggling! Nice eh? Perhaps together we can tell Argh! to GET BENT!
Christmas brings out both the best and worst of peoples actions.
Wow Kay… 2387 posts and counting! I had no idea ripping bitchers was your full time job! Way to go! You are so busy running your mouth, you miss the point! I know this person is not needy and is exploiting a charity. Not intending to say there aren’t people who are genuinely in need of help this time of year. Just hoping she feels a small shred of guilt for absorbing resources needed elsewhere.
Keep going though… I just found your shortcut link in the “top commenters” section and so far am enjoying your contributions. I hearby award thee “top bitch”.
Merry Christmas!
there must be some logic of frequency posting as well as total quantity… or perhaps solely frequency.
I believe i posted this before the Coast renewal back at the begining of the year, but when I was at a bar having a drink I overheard 2 women talking about the food bank(s) were opening at a different times & dates , etc & they would meet to go there. This while they were smoking their cigarettes & drinking…but they needed to go to the food bank for the kid’s!
Me I decided fuck this shit !
Since that day I have never donated a cent or a food or anything else to this over abused system. It is constantly being abused, few of the people in need get what they need & those who could do without the food banks, count on them so they can smoke & drink & do drugs !
If they weren’t there chances are those people would lose their kid’s & hopefully their welfare payments as well. The constant abuses of the sytem have me to the point that I believe the system needs to be shut down. Then we’ll find out who’s really in need, & who’s just milking it.
Those truely in need will be on the streets, & maybe that’s the only people who we should help. Everyone else will figure out how to make ends meet, it’ll hurt some bars & piss off the drug dealers, & maybe increase unstamped tobacco products but I can live with that !
So, you want to abolish aid to the (mostly) disadvantaged due to something you overheard in a conversation between two women?
While your at it, why don’t you dismantle the Canadian military because some soldiers mistreated some prisoners?
Or recommend we pursue a dictatorship so we can save tax dollars by having only one leader misuse funds?
Or not charge men for rape because there was this one woman who lied?
Or not send out rescue parties for kids because Bart’s fall down the well was a practical joke?
HKM we don’t often see eye to eye but when it comes to charitable giving you and I see the same. Like it or lump it that’s the way it is.
Argh! What did this bitch do to qualify for the handout, apply and that’s it? Doesn’t one need to report a qualifying income to gain access to such chartable giving and HOW did she get around that? Did she lie? Is that what your bitch is about? She lied and the charity bought it? Maybe you SHOULD give the charity a heads up on the question they didn’t ask or what part of the story should be verified before allocating donated resources. As a person who works with charities quite a lot I’d really like to know.
There are lots of families struggling that, by all appearances, don’t look like they are.
Just sayin’
Kay your an idiot….yes there are loads of people that abuse the charitable system, food banks etc. I get what the OP is saying and have felt the same way. There are bad apples in every bunch. Now we are talkin about those bad apples. Do you understand now Kay? There are ways around everything if they have to lie they will. Don’t be so nieve
People need to live with in their means. Get what you NEED not what you WANT.
Actually, Kay, as unfortunate as it is, sometimes all someone has to do to get a handout this time of year is to show up…
Last year I called a Charity organization to adopt a family or make a donation. The girl who answered my call misunderstood what I was asking. She took my name, address, and phone number (which wasn’t that odd – I was getting a tax receipt), but then they asked what supplies I wanted for Christmas dinner, or did I prefer a gift card. I suggested a gift card would be more appropriate (thinking someone should pick put their own dinner preferences), and she said “OK, we’ll send it out by mail – or do you want to come get it?”
Trust me, if I were a less honest person, I would have taken the gift card, but I had to clear it up… After I did, I asked if all someone had to do was call to get their assistance, and she said “Yes, or show up, but if they’re too well-dressed we might ask for more information.”
Um, I would think that someone driven to using the services of a charity would feel bad enough about it that they mightn’t want everybody nearby to know how bad off they are, and maybe dress “well”.
In any case, I went through other means to donate last year, and this year went through other means yet again.
And no, I will NOT divulge who the charity was, because this could have easily been an isolated incident for that one employee/volunteer.
HKM that overheard conversation was just the last straw for me. I was in the middle of a divorce, out of my home, & paying for my kid’s education and living in Dartmouth at a weekly,monthly motel apartment complex at the time & there were people around me who would get calls on their cell phones telling them what was for lunch today at the local soup kitchen ! Each & everyone of them knew the foodbank scheduals for every charity/church in Metro! ! ! WTF???
People with disability scams going, who wouldn’t work for me, if I paid by check, because it would jeopardize their disability claim or their Welfare.
Half the people living in that downtown area are scamming the system & IMO it is more than half…so Yeah lets cut every fuckin’ one of them off, because i’ll tell you this, the scammers won’t be on the streets, they’ll go to work if they have no other choice. Then start a system to help those who really need it aka street people.
The system is badly broken & needs fixing. If it isn’t fixable, then do what we do with anything that isn’t fixable we discard it & get something else.
I don’t know what your fuckin rant was about soldiers etc…Which is why i won’t bother responding to that…I just figured you’ve had your head up another frequent negative poster’s ass, who is originally from Ontario & can’t help copying the complete off topic remarks.
But you have a nice day in la la land.
Sorry, More, I thought that I made my point perfectly clear (especially since I blew everything up real big to make it).
WE WILL ALWAYS HAVE CHEATERS, BUT WE SHOULD NOT LET THAT DETER US FROM DOING WHAT IS GOOD AND RIGHT.
You are asking that the whole pay for the crimes of the few. I don’t know who you associate with, but generally, the people around me are honest and they struggle daily in a bid to escape poverty.
Gidget, I am actually surprised that it was so easy for you. Because of the people who will try to take advantage, the system is all connected now (as is Feed NS), and a parent has to produce their MSI card and the cards of all the children (as well as having proof of income).
When I lived in northend Dartmouth, I only knew of one woman who exploited the system. Everyone in the area shut her down, until finally, she must have been reported because she was charged. It was unfortunate that the children’s mother was greedy because the children paid the price the next Christmas.
As well, I noted over the years that the women in the area who needed help for Christmas also were very generous to others by sharing the little they had. When their neighbour received the 2 by 3 box of Christmas dinner and Dollar Store presents, many of them took items from their packages and sent them over to her.
Enough said, you said:
“People need to live with in their means. Get what you NEED not what you WANT.”
I am pretty this is the day in/day out motto of the people who require help at Christmas time. In fact, I am sure that many of them cannot even get what they need. Here’s the thing:
I want these families who struggle to survive for 364 days a year to have one day of respite from their mean and minimal lives. For one day, I want the kids to have something they want and not just what they need. Generally, their wants and expectations are usually surprisingly practical–a new coat or a new pair of sneakers is often the hoped for gift. Yes, they will sometimes hope for an expensive item that their friends possess, but they will take a secondhand or inferior version and be overjoyed that they actually got it.
I can’t quite believe I find myself in the position to have to defend poor people’s desire to give their kids a half decent Christmas.
For all the abusers there are many more people who honestly need help to get by. Punishing the truly needy to get back at a few dishonest ones by refusing to donate seems like two wrongs trying to make a right. In the end, if donations are down some poor innocent child loses out.
I understand HKM, I’m not into Christmas gifts & haven’t been for a long time. My mother says that even when I was young the ‘gifts’ really didn’t get me as excited as knowing grandmothers & family from away were coming. Now I no longer bother with anything to do with gifts, except homemade & food & drink. The get togethers the meals & Parties where friends & family meet is my idea of a great holiday.
My first Christmas without giving or accepting a gift is still clearly in my memory…one of the best Christmas’s ever.
The commercialism of christmas & the bigger the better the gift ideal…bums me out. Even though I can afford it.
When I was down & out, I never got anything for free. I never got a hand out, I never went looking for one either. That’s the difference between those that do & myself. Not saying I’m right, just different than many others. Possibly thats why the abusers that I KNOW FOR SURE are out there milking the system, which actually harms those without even more, is what gets me so steamed about it.
this charity at christmas time does go both ways, its rather unfortunate that it takes a few greedy cock suckers to WANT to be the recipients of charitable donations, who dont NEED what they are getting.
Back in highschool, I worked in the schools cafe, and we had helped a family for christmas, bought everything for christmas dinner, treats and snacks to last a month, and quite a large list of toys and presents for the 3 kids that wasn’t really overly expensive, nor was it asking for too much.
come day to go deliver the goods, I was unsure what to make of the situation, the place was rundown, the kids along with the parents looked like they were barely able to keep clothes on their backs, but you could smell the cigarette smoke soon as you drove in the yard. I understand that you may be on welfare or unable to work for whatever reason, or just not making enough working the job you have. I personally would like to know how much $$ in the run of a year is donated to the cigarette company? as opposed to putting it away for the holiday seasons? there are two sides to every story, but i only have the side i saw with my own eyes. I still feel what we did was a good thing, but there is more the parents could have/be doing to help themselves…
like anything, a few bad apples ruin the bunch right! for every story you hear of a person abusing the system, there are still many more people who really do need the help.
Since you asked, Fat, it’s “presumption” that pisses me off but you knew that.
“Don’t be so nieve”… excuse me? If you expect someone to take a statement like that seriously you should also know how to spell the advice you’re dishing out. Who’s naive? Enough said.
I totally understand people refusing work because the meager income will interfere with their already meager benefit. Not enough plus not enough still equals not enough.
Fuck this sucks i see eye to eye on this one with a few people . And most are right . If you don’t wanna give – pass by and don’t give . Give if you want . These charities give stuff to needy people or those with out – they know who’s who and yea who says shes single? I’ll have to eat dirt on this one – fuck me
NGF spells telephonically, Kay! duh! LOL
I kind of sort of agree with Kay on this one….second time in as many days…*shifty eyes*
Argh!, what type of laptop did this kid get? Those netbooks are ridiculously cheap these days, and maybe the family scrimped and saved all year? Like I said, a family doesn’t have to APPEAR to be in need when they actually are. Sudden job loss or other financial emergency can wipe some people out financially. Most of us are living from paycheque-to-paycheque.
PLUS, it’s easy as SHIT to get credit from some electronics stores.
Kitty?? WTF does it really matter what brand of laptop it is? Charity is for those who need it. A family with a home computer who is gifting another to such a young child does not “need” charity. It’ll end up in the dusty pile with the other unused electronics received last Christmas.
You must think that I am living some life of privilege, looking down my nose at poor people. Not so. It just pisses me off that so many individuals and groups come together, believing they are helping someone who needs it only to find that dirtbags can have their name submitted and nobody bothers to check if they need the help or not! Fuck that and buh humbug!
I agree with weedhog. Give if you want or not… whatever. This bitch is more a rant about an individual and a bit about accountability on the part of charitable groups. This is my first bitch and my only posts on this site because it pissed me off !!! I’ve personally given to this charity and I know the family in question!
ARGH!
Kay, is it better to misspell the word you’re trying to use, or misuse the word you spelled correctly?
Hey Kay, dartmouth always gives to you and your charity – didn’t i see you selling your ass on albro lake road? Near windmill? I did I did ! WE know who you are !! Thats where all the typical albertian women in Nova Scotia go to make their money > I knew it !!
When did “gifting” become a verb? I missed the memo on this one. I was always under the impression it was “giving gifts”. Verb and noun.
Taking charity away from parents who spend their money elsewhere instead of on their children’s happiness only makes the children suffer. Parents make bad choices, but it’s not the kid’s fault. They are powerless.
In the spirit of Christmas I think we should leave kay alone. If you don’t agree with what she’s saying (which I do 100% in this case) then so be it. But there’s no need for random digs and name calling. It makes you guys look like petty idiots who can’t let shit go, not her.
I just fell out of my chair. Holy shit. I’m not going to question it or even stick my tongue out. Thanks kitty. Thanks virgo. Thanks bitches!
yeah! what that redarded idiot virgomom said…
Redarded? Wow… I’m not even touching that one.
I’m tired of sifting through a bunch of digs and rude comments to get to the real comments. Especially when she makes very valid points.
Why should you have the right to make fun of people and call people hurtful names all just because you don’t agree with their opinions? Albeit, some/most of them are out there. You can be passionate about your thoughts and opinions without being rude, ignorant, immature and hurtful.
Nice goin Fat.
That was so funny. LOL
But some people don’t come here to be passionate about their opinions, they come here to passionately berate other people’s opinions. It’s all part of the fun. They probably get annoyed that they have to sift through so many serious and boring comments to find the fun ones.
Lol good point Miles! And ill admit, I do enjoy banter, but sometimes it crosses the line and that makes me sad 🙁 and drives me redarded.
Virgonmom…no-one can “drive you redarded (sic)”…you’re either born a ‘tard, or you are not.
According to science, there is often an extra chromosone or two here and there – or something went wrong with the hormone wash in utero etc etc….no big deal.
Most ‘tards, BTW, don’t care what you bleeding hearts call them…they only care that you largely ignore them when you see them, even though you have nice names for them…
The latest stupid politically correct term from the far left: We should no longer say “special needs”, nay nay….now, it’s ‘additional needs’ Good grief.
Why don’t we just turn a blind eye to their ‘tardedness altogether?! “Here’s the keys to the special bus, Clyde, drive it yourself…”
BTW, the official “Christian” reason for being born feeble-minded:
“”Your parents are being punished by their loving God”
“They didn’t pray hard enough”
and the number one reason?
“What punishment? Your retard will make a great Christian!”
The most important part of this discussion, IMO, is that if you wish to give charitably, figure out which charities you *personally* feel best about giving to, and do whatever you feel necessary to feel good about who your money (or gifts, or food) are going to.
I changed where I donated because I wasn’t comfortable with their ability to “screen” applicants to *my* comfort level. I found a place that *is*, and I feel good about giving because I know someone’s deserving *children* are getting a Christmas that might not normally have one.
And on another note, kids don’t generally get what “broke” is, and often ask for things unattainably expensive to even a mid-level income family. If a charitable organization makes their “over-expensive” wish come true, who are we to judge, really?
Yeah, I’m greedy and proud. I buy whatever I want for ME. Screw the rest of you. Go get a job.
virgo, I just wanted the cheap laugh.
and I think Miles makes a very excellent point and it is usually the majority of us that are looking for faults or idiocy in the OP’s original bitch. we then exploit it and berate as necessary. There are few topics that are taken dead seriously.. even by more than a few people.
personally, I’m only serious on topics I know a lot about. the rest, well whatever comes to mind is what gets posted.
beat Mario a couple days ago… damn bowser’s castle was tough.
Think I’ll have chinese for supper.
Mmmm Chinese! From where? Best choice is the best!! I love Mario, best game!
Of course my posts get deleted b/c kay feels like a victim and has to cry about the Internet. If/when she makes redundant remarks or spreads her hate its somehow fine with these so-called mods.
Ohh, the new Super Mario for Wii?? I want that so bad. Four co-op players at once!!
let if goooo, NGF, let itttt gooo and ignore Kay. IGNORE HER!
Language, NGF, language. Your anger gets the better of you and you always cross the line. Just learn to hone your insults so they stay just within the border of acceptable. Of course, there’s no rules against being boring or repetitive, which is why certain other bitchers comments remain in the section.
Oh I’m not angry. I just get a kick out of how kay’s hatred never gets deleted but ol NGF is public enemy number fat. There’s nothing wrong with saying that if I were Santa I’d shit in kay’s mouth and her stocking.
Again, are you Desi?
Yes ,NGF, I pick on you. Why? Well, Kay can call bluenosers stupid over and over again. It’s repetitive and dumb and wearing, and personally I don’t care for it, but it’s not really bannable. But saying you’re going to shit down someone’s throat and then tell them to die and then using the c-word (which, like the n-word are the 2 words that go beyond the pale of the bitch section) and saying something awful about her kid all in one or two posts crosses the line. Just rein it in a teeny bit. A small. wee. bit. That is the ONLY reason I take down your posts. I don’t care who you are or if you love or hate Kay or anyone else here. Honestly, if I had my way, I’d yank both of you and then I’d have 2 fewer assholes taking up valuable time in my working day.
Hey Andy, why don’t you have your way? Not that I want to see NGF gone, but most forum mods don’t give so much leeway, especially when they’re told things like “fuck you very much” by a narcissistic c-word.
Hey andy, just FYI, I wish you’d consider the f-a-g word as unacceptable as well… because I’m the one who always reports those comments.
Jennier, when i see homophobic stuff I usually take it down, but I rely on people to report comments. I miss a lot, I think. And it’s not just Kay who reports NGF when he makes an OTT comment. Several people do. As for banning, the bitch section is a weird place. It’s kinda like that Ramones song, we’re a happy family. dysfunctional. I figure the less done here, the better.
“no christmas cards to send; daddy likes men”
Jeez, I’m away from my computer for a few days and then all of a sudden, there’s a blood feud?! A couple of points…
Nine times out of ten, when you support an organization, they’re in need of it. I’ve supported families before and I’ll do it again when I’m able. I was less than fortunate when I was a kid and I know how hard it is for some families around this time of year. Don’t give up on something as good as that because one family decides to take the kindness of strangers for granted. Also, it’s real easy to just say no. Most organizations are good enough to understand that some times, you just can’t.
Secondly, the Mario game for Wii is marriage poison. Do not play this game with loved ones. I’ve been hit more than once for being an “asshole” that is, stealing power-ups.
“your a loud mouth baby; you better shut it up;i’m gonna beat you up!”
“second rule is be nice to mommy;third rule is don’t talk to commies”
* Fag, a British colloquialism for cigarette
* Fag, a junior boy who acts or acted as servant (“fagging”) to a senior boy at a British independent school
* Fag, or Faggot (slang), a slur for a homosexual or effeminate man
Hmm… so that’s two to one on the positive (well, not sure about the servant one). I’d leave it as acceptable in the forum. If someone in the forum refers to someone else as a “fag”, you can always be a smart ass and ask them “what… regular or menthol?” or something like that. I have nothing against the gay or lesbian community. Who the fuck are they hurting?
Oh, and I am NOT insinuating that being a “homosexual or effeminate man” is negative. The definition of fag, in that it is “a slur”, is negative.
fever, I hear ya. I can only play when the missus has hit the hey.
The multiplayer aspect makes the ‘already hard as fuck’ game ridiculously troubling…
you bounce off each other so you have to take turns through tight spaces and it’s WAY too easy to steal both powerups (even when you only need one).
working on Star road now, though that’s going to be a long time coming….
damn I love the soft-modded wii.
I’d hate to think how many hours I would have put in if I had to shell out 60 bucks for it.
a faggot is also a bunch of sticks for kindling,loosely tied together.wow man,this is almost like the hatfield and coy fued years back.also,yes i hate it when people rip off the food banks and other charities for no good reason.we have enough polititions ripping everyone off,we don’t need or want others too.and speaking of wants,thats of the many,outweigh the wants or needs of the few,or the one.this is always the worst time of year going.i give what i can,to who i can.i don’t make zillions of bucks,but what i do,i usually try to help out some way.even to the point of repairing older computers and refurbishing them,and donating to those that can’t afford a new one.but that i have stopped this year.too many scammers.
what happened to my post andy? i thought it was funny and the bits were from some famous people…i am a good girl
Not just you, paingirl, a few of my posts I thought were innocuous are gone too…
Only KAYS posts stay didn’t you know ?
I have to admit, I laughed aloud at the idea at Santa taking a dump in one’s mouth as the “new lump of coal” for the 21st century – bet the little buggers would behave if THIS was added to the Christmas paradigm!
I don’t understand, though, the continual (and boring) vitriol towards the poster known as “Kay” (if that IS her real name, lol)…though personally I DON’T find Halifax such a bad place, I like it – there IS lots to criticise about it…LOTS…including stupid things that could easily be changed if it wasn’t for the very 1950’s conservative mentality that still pervades the city …Odd to see so many folks here that cringe and whine at any criticism of their little home by the sea…
I expect many here have inherited this from the generation of Haligonians above them…(it’s a Nova Scotia thing, like who you vote for if you’re from New Glasgow/Sydney etc, lol)….which is why it’s good to have incomers like this “Kay” give their opinion, whether you agree or not.
you’ll be happy to know I earned a faster-than-light deletion from this very thread
fRosty… you’re not from around here, are you?
Since when did cunt become on par with the n-word? Don’t come at me with that nonsense, Andy. That’s the most ridiculous statement I’ve read or heard since studying the Bell Curve.
What’s next? Is cock going to be on par with calling the mentally handicapped “retarded”?
Frosty, if I came into your home and told you that your dishes were put away inefficiently and that your blender is outdated and that in Toronto we have much better variety of food in our fridges you might be a little upset with me.
It’s not the criticism that Nova Scotians hate, it’s the way it’s delivered by people who generally don’t understand us yet think they can solve all our problems by making us more like the place they are used to. There’s lots to be gained by looking at how other cities and provinces have met certain challenges and I agree there a lot of problems we could solve if we were a little more open to change in this city. It’s just that there’s a big difference between criticism and constructive criticism. Calling us “backwards” and telling us to “wake up” and calling us rednecks is insulting and naturally going to put the average person on the defensive. How many times has someone insulted you and you respond with “Why thank you sir, I was unaware that I am an idiot and I was doing everything all wrong”?
No wonder people get upset with comments like “typical Nova Scotian sheep…rude and backwards and violent and ignorant” As boring as the anti-Kay comments are, Kay can be repetitive and full of vitriol as well.
Kay I echo what Ruby said. I am truly sorry things have not worked out for you here. I really do hope things go better for you in the new year and you find a community that you love.
Look, if I’m told c–t is a banned word, it is. If you think it’s nonsense, write a letter to the editor. (I’d love to see that letter, on official NGF letterhead and stuff. Crossed donairs coat of arms at the top.) In the meantime, if ya don’t like it, the answer is simple: go find another bitch section to bitch on.
Plus, look – you’ve all banded together under the collective umbrella of persecution! Family Bonding.
fuck the fucking fuckers
That’s what we are Andy. A big dysfunctional family. Mind you, we’re talking Manson family levels of dysfunctional. I’d really like to have a psychologist and/or a Anthropologist run through here. It would be an interesting study, for sure.
“”Frosty, if I came into your home and told you that your dishes were put away inefficiently and that your blender is outdated and that in Toronto we have much better variety of food in our fridges you might be a little upset with me. “”
Perhaps at first…that’s human pride – but what if I soon learned that there IS a better blender available, or that the rest of Canada HAS discovered a more efficient way to stack their dishes…and that I’ve been kept in the dark by virtue of geography? In your (rather odd) analogy, would I be better off accepting the ‘criticism’ and moving on to update my kitchen, or should I just shake my head at these “damn foreigners” and throw another log on my Franklin stove?
Anyway, when people move to a new place, they often boast about the place they just left, and slag the new place….then they move AGAIN, and guess what?
;-0
Whoa….we can’t say retarded?
That’s funny, cause it’s still the scientific term for someone with a pathologically low IQ. Many health care and research institutions have it in their name.
Only skitterish PC ultra-liberals have usurped this term with nonsense like “additional needs”, lol
Additional needs? WTF does THAT mean?! Sounds like something you say at a fucking massage parlour to see how much it’s gonna cost?!~How much for a rub and tug…erm, don’t forget, I’m “additional needs”…
You want to help retarded folk? Instead of all this time and energy thinking up cutesy names for them…maybe hire one, or stop and chat (they like Wonder Woman, and Batman, I’ve found)…or at least stop looking away when you see ’em…
What I am saying Frosty is one would be more likely to accept the criticism if it was delivered differently. In my rather odd analogy, if I came to your home and said “you stack your dishes in the most retarded way possible. Everyone else in the civilized world stacks them this way” I suspect you would kick me out of your home and be reluctant to listen to me, even though I may be right. If I said “hey, I noticed you stack your dishes like this….have you ever considered doing it this other way…I think it might save you time and effort” you might be a little more interested in listening to my ideas.
Nova Scotians are not idiots and many of us care very much about finding ways to improve our city and province while maintaining the qualities we believe make us unique in Canada. We don’t want to be a Toronto, or Calgary or Montreal…we want to be a strong and vibrant Halifax. But again, you are right, there’s LOT’s to complain about here…but anyone who is well travelled will realize that complaining is one thing ALL Canadians seem to be pretty good at.
“”What I am saying Frosty is one would be more likely to accept the criticism if it was delivered differently…””
Probably. Perhaps then we should think about re-naming this site “Love the way we give each other a gentle nudge in the right direction…”?
“”Nova Scotians are not idiots””
None of them? Not even one? ’cause I know some.
“”We don’t want to be a Toronto, or Calgary or Montreal”‘
I don’t blame you…
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“retarded” stopped being a technical term for those with low intelligence in Canada since the late 80’s, as an aside, IQ is not used in Canada. It is indeed a valid term in the US, albeit not used in most scientific circles, where they do use IQ as a means of intelligence.
So anybody up for a UFC Party @ Oh-Ay-Sis on January 2 for Evans vs. Silva?
I don’t expect people on LTWWB to be diplomatic about telling Nova Scotians they are idiots. Nor do I expect Nova Scotians on LTWWB to be diplomatic about telling the critics where to stuff it. I think we can keep the name and maybe try to keep the gentle nudging to real life where, unfortunately, the scenarios we see played out here also prevail.
“None of them? Not even one? ’cause I know some”….I think I know one or two as well, however, I think collectively we are at least of average intelligence. At least I hope we are or all those post-secondary institutions aren’t earning their keep 🙂
“””retarded” stopped being a technical term for those with low intelligence in Canada since the late 80’s…””
Gosh Dr Fever, that’s great news!
Erm, have you told the good folks at Toronto’s Hospital for Sick Children?
http://www.aboutkidshealth.ca/HealthAZ/Men…
“”as an aside, IQ is not used in Canada.””
Wow, I didn’t know that, Dr. Fever. Neither, apparently, do these morons:
http://www.mensacanada.org/howjoinen.htm
“”It is indeed a valid term in the US, albeit not used in most scientific circles””
That’s bad news indeed for the good folks at “Scientific American”, they will be disappointed that you now lump their publication in with your collection of Mad magazines and old porn…
http://www.psych.utoronto.ca/users/reingol…
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“”however, I think collectively we are at least of average intelligence.””
Most likely.
Which implies that, using a simple bell curve, some Nova Scotians are geniuses, and some are, well, idiots… Unless you want to go Dr. Fever’s route and quibble that the term “idiot” is no longer in use in medicine (It’s not, nor is “moron”)…
I think that equally annoying as hearing someone ‘bash” Nova Scotians, is hearing someone that feels the need to chime in with their “defence” at every bitch, lol…
Again, let’s just change the name to “Love the way we all hold hands and sing Kumbaya…”
I’m starting to see Kay’s point…
Mensa isn’t a scientific community asshole. It’s a group of people who think that they’re superior human beings because they test well on a standardized test. Which by the way, most people who make it into post secondary could do the Mensa entrance exam, and pay the fees. They’re like Scientology, less the tax shelter.
Secondly, the sick kid’s lists as Mental Retardation, not “retard” which is a known derogatory form.
Thirdly, while it’s great that you list a link that leads indeed to a article that talks about IQ, it’s American. Not only that, there’s a heavy overtone of eugenics throughout the article, that is, European decedents tend to test higher, leading to the assumption that white people are smarter than everyone else.
Take some of your own medicine for once. You often talk about being progressive and thinking differently, so, let’s follow that exercise. Should we continue to use a methodology created in 1908, of which one of the original scientists later decried (Alfred Binet). Please read The Mismeasure of Man by Stephen Jay Gould, prominent paleontologist at Harvard, the man makes a significant argument against psychometric testing entirely. Finally, I think most people in Canada have a sufficient enough vocabulary to avoid using such derogatory comments such as retard. You’re stuck more in a conservative la-la land then you might realize.
So anybody up for a UFC Party in the early new year?
I thought this thread was about the joys of giving at Christmas?
FUCK CHRISTMAS and all your stupid double, triple AAA battery charged toys!
This entire friggen holiday and all others is brought to you curtesy of hallmark, all owned by the Wallstreet grinches!
I thought the word was kaytarded.
If the term “intelligence quotient” and it’s use in the medical community to stratify one’s capacity for reason as “retarded” or “genius” has been outlawed how do we treat it? By putting our heads in the sand or tape over our mouthes? By this way of thinking the term “genius” should be equally insulting… but it ain’t. Go figure.
Do you know what happens when you tell a Nova Scotian there’s a better way to treat the human condition? They throw the fucking dishes at you while howling “if you don’t like it then leave!” I take exception to the hurling of dishes and typical violent reaction to any suggestion of improvement. Even when you present a problem that’s easily solved the typical Nova Scotian denies there’s a problem at all but that’s after they’ve kicked the shit out of the victims of said problem. It’s this “shut up and leave or I’ll kick your ass” disposition that makes NS such a “wonderful” place to live… and learn.
I know people in real life that IMO do things in a strangely illogical manner, choosing the wrong path everytime, and not thinking things through. I try and reason with them, and show them the way down a path that would lead to happiness. The problem I’ve found is that the path I’m leading them down would lead to my own happiness, which might not be theirs.
So I’ve adopted this new mantra. There is no “one right way to live”. So the next time you come across someone who say, stacks the dishes differently than you do, which seems like a bad idea, think to yourself “There is no “one right way to live””, and leave them alone.
Because kay, usually, there’s a underlying cause to Mental Retardation. It can be Down’s, or any other number of developmental problems. If a child is born normal, they just don’t become “retarded” through the will of God (as you believe). The point I’m trying to make is that especially in this case, these are people who usually cannot help themselves, and most people out there make derogatory comments about said people. This makes it especially bad. That’s really not fair, as they really can’t begin to understand that they’re being insulted, just because you don’t want to use the extra effort and call it developmentally challenged, which is probably the best term to describe it. In all honesty, it’s like calling a black person the n-word, or a homosexual a fag. It’s meant to insult. Therefore, likening it to being called a genius is false. If being called a genius was a insult, then these would be the people would be able at least defend themselves.
I’m sorry that you really do hate this place kay, however, you really do back yourself into a corner. If you attack someone’s belief/value/way of doing things, they’re bound to get defensive. People don’t want to seem stupid, or to be doing anything wrong. So, if you just come out and start saying things like: “They throw the fucking dishes at you while howling “if you don’t like it then leave!””. You’re going to get an equally negative response back. I’m sure if you outright attacked an average person’s “way” out in Alberta, or anywhere for that matter, you would get a similar response. Have you ever heard of compromise? You know, a middle ground? Also, I’m sure that if you talked to an average Bluenoser, with absolutely no predisposition, or pretense, I’m sure you’d find that they’re open to change as much as you claim to be. But hey, that’s just my opinion, and I’m just another Nova Scotian uncultured rube to you.
Ah, but there is a right way to live. Go ask your government about it. Failing that one can look to other communities to see what’s worked for them and safely draw conclusions about what might work for this community. This stick your head in the sand and pretend there is no other way live WELL is getting old AND it doesn’t work. Clinging to the “old ways” gets you the same problems over and over and over again. What does it take for people to think outside the box then draw a line in the sand of “but we’ve always done things like this.” This way of thinking is part of the reason the gay population is turning up dead in public parks… but we’ve ALWAYS done things this way… so leave it alone? Indeed.
I believe “people become retarded though the will of God”? I do? LOL haha… that’s a good one Miles! How did you come up with that? I’m positive Darwin has more to do with mental retardation than God does. *shaking my head*
I’d just like to point out there are several uses of the word “retarded”. All of them have to do with the coming-up-short on something… ie. “asbestos is an effective chemical to retard the spread of fire.” If you’re coming up short in the realm of intelligence it’s hardly an insult, it’s a fact. Perhaps “not playing with a full deck” or other hateful insinuations suit you better? Insulting someone’s intelligence is insulting. Period. (and it often leads to research and growth of a person’s knowledge) It hardly matters which verbs are selected when you think like this. Besides, all bitches are welcome to understand the insult clearly. Why you’d spare the feelings of people who you’re not addressing is sorta bitchtastic! Flame on!
Fever,”compromise?”… “a middle ground”… do Nova Scotians know about that? Then why do their fists do the talking?
No Kay, there isn’t ONE right way. There are lots of Right ways to live. Different rules/customs work for different people/societies. It’s the idea that everyone has to obey the rules that work for some that gets everyone in trouble. When you look at the communities/tribes/countries that do work, it’s because they’ve adopted rules that are appropirate, understood and followed by all because they believe in them.
And we’re not talking about basic human rights, we’re talking about wants, needs and lifestyle. It’s funny how you will use homosexuals to suit your own arguments, but otherwise you damn their every move. You might not think that having a relationship with someone of the same sex is the right way to live, but obviously some people do. So there is a right way for you to live, and a right way for them to live. Neither of them are more right than the other.
The etymology of “retard” comes from the Latin word retardare, which in the case of this, it does mean to slow or delay. Thus the usage in the case of asbestos, is correct. To retard someone is to delay them. It does not mean, however, that they have a developmental issue. By your reasoning, calling a black person any number of racial slurs would not be just an insult, it would be a fact. Again, insulting those who cannot defend themselves is wrong, and you cannot justify it.
Again, kay, I’m certain if you went into a conversation without pretense or assumptions of the person you were talking to, you would find that they are more accepting of ideas then you might think. However, if you take the “my way or the highway” attitude that you often use in this forum, you’re bound to get the same idea back. Also, you’d find that this is not localized to just Nova Scotia. Go talk to a farmer in the middle of Ontario and tell him the way he raises chickens is wrong, he’ll tell you to go fuck yourself and the horse you rode in on. We’re human, regardless of where we come from. Change is a gradual process, not an instantaneous one.
Which bitch here “cannot defend themselves”? Anybody? Come on now. Don’t be shy…
It’s the “my way or the highway” or “if you don’t like it then leave” attitude that I bitch about the most, Fever. Just wait til you see the knee-jerk reaction of chicken farmers everywhere when science tell them they’re ruining the water for everybody and every thing everywhere. Do you think “Go fuck yourself, kay! If you don’t like how we do things here then leave… and here, meet my gun/fists/scary wife/local bully….” is the appropriate response?
PAS, WHAT are you talking about? How is it that I “dam” the homosexual’s “every move”? I don’t march in your parade. So what? I don’t promote the lifestyle to my children or other people’s children. So what? I don’t protest on your behalf. So what? These choices are hardly damning to you or yours. In “your world” it seems “if you’re not with us or one of us then you’re against us.” I’m not “against” the homosexual. I’m simply not gay and I don’t actively take hold of the issue. I’m busy bitching about other human rights violations but I don’t condone them against the homosexual or anybody else.
You’re damn right change is slow.
There you go again, taking things out of context. Someone who has a developmental challenge cannot defend themselves. I can, you can. They cannot. Most of the time, they struggle to get through the day. We’re extremely lucky not to have to got through what they do on a daily basis.
The appropriate response is indeed, yes, let’s change. However, some people are unwilling or cannot because of other constraints. Regardless of all of that, cease generalizing Nova Scotians as people who are backwood, uneducated rubes because they fail to see your “wisdom”. You wonder why people generalize you as a know-it-all troll? There’s your answer.
So who’s up for that UFC Party?
Again, kay, you can come if you promise not to stink but also if you promise that you won’t sit there and talk about GSP like he’s Desi.
Dr. Fever:
1) While “retard” may indeed be a “derogatory term”; your (erroneous) statement was regarding the term “retarded”. Please at least re-read your own posts before calling “me” the ‘asshole”, lol.
2) The article is indeed American, and is from a magazine which I subscribe to: “Scientific American”, what’s your point? That SA is not part of the “scientific circles”, as you imply?
3) I enjoyed “The Mismeasurement of Man” when I read it several years ago, along with several other works of (the late, btw) Stephen Jay Gould…
“”You’re stuck more in a conservative la-la land then you might realize.””
There are many conservative issues I empathize with: I am pro nuclear, tough on violent crime, believe in a more traditional ‘well-rounded’ education and so on…
The need for more of the latter is demonstrated in your posts. There are more important issues when it comes to mentally retarded people than just coming up with PC names for them in your Psych 101 class, and thinking you’ve then done them a great favour…
“”European decedents tend to test higher, leading to the assumption that white people are smarter than everyone else. “”
No, it generally shows that people coming from a higher socio-economic group will score higher, on a test that is designed for children/adolescents with at least a minimal exposure to reading, writing, logic and mathmatics. Children from families where there was no love of reading in the household will almost always score lower.
The point of my post was really more to show you the error of your ways – you “Wiki’d” “retarded and IQ” and fell for the kool-aid being served by the far-left contributors…and then bluntly stated your opinion as “fact”.
Big mistake on here…
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