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The vast majority of people speaking out against the transit strike are not capable of supporting any union for any reason at any time. —So Fuch You
This article appears in Mar 8-14, 2012.
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Point.
Not so, OP. My favorite American President, was also the first and only union leader elected to that august office. So you can lick my butt and suck on my balls.
And to quote Dorothy Parker upon meeting Norman Mailer following the publication of “The Naked and The Dead”:
“So, you’re the man who doesn’t know how to spell fuck”
Unios made sense at the turn of the last century to fix working conditions that were inhumane. These days, public sector unions seem to exist only to convince workers that they have it terrible and that the pool of taxpayer dollars is bottomless.
you are a moron. i find it funny how just because we have a difference of opinion we are labeled “uninformed” or “uneducated”
its not that hard to understand…. a bunch of blue collar grunts making white collar wages want to protect their sweet salaries and OT scheme. We understand that…… if the good times were rolling we might have more tolerance for you sucking at the public’s teet.
but the economy is in the shitter….. no one else is getting raises or $20k in OT and everyone is tightening their belts and finding ways to save money.
You guys just decided to go on strike at the wrong time and gauged the public support incorrectly. You made a tactical error and now you are going to lose.
maybe in 5 years the economy will be better and you can try to squeeze us a little more.
The union is telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth – bwahahahahahaha. That goes for HRM too.
Go work at a fucking call center OP and tell me you have it bad. At a call center, your training lasts longer, your shifts are shittier and you get 10.75 an hour.
But you fuckies just wait.. you wait until spring when nobody gives a shit anymore. Your union will run out of money and then where will you be? Up shit creek and facing a pissed off city that now has the upper hand. I almost hope it lasts that long just to see you get fucked over.
Pfft.. bitch PLEASE.
These transit bitches are making this board into the youtube comments section. Wack.
Until people start posting stupid shit for most liked comment then it will be nothing like youtube.
Like this post if you think kittens are cute.
Dislike this post if you support child exploitation.
Do nothing if you support terrorists.
I’m tired just throw yourself on the Douche Pile OP.
I refer only to the tone and general fuckiness of the comments. FIRST!
Believing this may make it easier for you to feel justified, but that doesn’t make it true.
In fact, one of the things that has been notable to me during this strike has been the way in which those of us who generally support united actions have NOT supported this particular strike.
I really think your union misread this one, OP. And springtime is indeed very near.
… I did nothing Zilla, and it looks like you have at least one supporter for child exploitation
I heard that every day that Metro Transit is on strike the City makes $89 000. Can anyone verify this?
Actually OP I support a lot of the unions. I have 4 close friends who are in unions. Electricians, telecommunications workers, and a friend who works in a nursing home.
I don’t support ATU for a lot of reasons that I won’t bother to get into because they have been rehashed a million times in the last couple weeks. The main two are that they are not skilled tradespeople and they are paid with the public’s tax money. The other obvious one is that they have been making more money than we can afford to pay them imo. I’ll stop there.
A lot of the electricians and stuff are subsidized by tax dollars too, I’m aware of this. I still say fuck ATU right to hell. Let ’em starve.
And op.. the vast majority of people speaking out against the transit strike don’t have the luxury of being in a union.
“they are not skilled tradespeople” Actually, the ATU includes bus/ferry mechanics as well as bus drivers, so there are *some* skilled tradespeople in the union.
Orgasmatron, it’s my understanding that mechanics won’t see any positive result of the strike because the scheduling won’t affect them either way. They are just losing money because they were pulled into a strike that is based more on the drivers. But they are skilled, that’s for sure.
@TommyJuless Thought you were sick today buddy 😛
operating a ferry and fixing buses does take more skill, but those atu members would be in the minority
people do not trust anyone, that has shown tendencies to being a comlete fuckwad, and it seems wilson, fills that bill entirly. but then again, he might be a super guy to hang with, but not in this boy’s lifetime.fuck him, and the rest of those underhanded fucking jackassholes.
@ldf: That’s probably true, I was just pointing out that there are tradespeople in the union, contrary to TJ’s statement.
NSGEU local 77 are picketing today. Wanna know WHY?
They aren’t on strike or anything… YET.
No, they’re picketing to let people know they’ll be picketing on the 21st.
SERIOUSLY. PICKETING BECAUSE THEY’LL BE PICKETING.
*facepalm*
haha pre-picketing, that’s a new one
I would defend a union if there was an unfair work practice going on …but wait I wouldn’t have to because we have a Labor board and legislation to address all that in the 21st century. So I guess your right OP there would be no need in me defending a union.
I support private unions dealing with corporations that are profit driven entities. Why would I support a public union where the employees are scamming the system, costing tax payers money needlessly, and actually believe that they deserve to do this. If you were fighting for a raise congruent with inflation, or fighting to stop clawbacks to your benefits or pension I could stand behind that. What you are fighting for doesn’t make any sense to 99.9% of the population, me included, so think about this really hard before you accuse the public of being stupid. If you are looking for public support, this isn’t the way to get it, dumbass!
I stand corrected, Tron. I still don’t support them. All the issues I’ve heard brought up by the union relate to the drivers, who I think are a bunch of spoiled little bitches.
“it’s my understanding that mechanics won’t see any positive result of the strike because the scheduling won’t affect them either way. They are just losing money because they were pulled into a strike that is based more on the drivers.”
Would those tradespeople have been included in the 98% that voted to strike? If so, something isn’t adding up.
It’s been suggested that that figure has been highly exaggerated by Mr. Wilson
I am sick Amy. I’m eating chicken noodle soup right now! Sell anything yet today?
Amy and I are co workers.
really, i never would have guessed…chuckle
you know I did after the bad day I had yesterday FB me up!!
I’d suck chrome off a ’57 Chevie before I’d support a bunch of overpaid fucks with a sense of entitlement that exceeds their abilities. Solidarity up your fucking bung hole, vultures.
TTFN…so you wouldn’t support bus drivers…so are you then in support of the city ?
Before I just let you answer in your usually manner…I would like to point out the city is responsible for this union having more managers then any private sector Union. So instead of 6 or 7 managers for 700 employees, they have 43 manager/supervisors doing the job. Those 43 people make at least double what a driver does, many make even more than that. Then there’s our wonderful new CAO…at double the cost of the last one…400 grand of our tax dollars.
so TTFN, what is that answer ?
Nope, I don’t support the city either – I have been around the block long enough to know that both sides are acting like fucking children and the people they are hurting and DON’T FUCKING CARE ABOUT are the passengers.
WHAT IS TRUTH?
As you can imagine, all these posts on the Halifax transit strike are, well, rather boring to Montrealman whose mind, as usual, is on higher things. I mean, look at the title of this bitch. What three words dominate it? That’s right, “truth.” So the obvious next step is to consider the nature of truth. Well, what is it? What is truth?
There are two principal views of truth, both of which rest upon their respective philosophical foundations, broadly speaking the “realist” and the “coherentist” theory of truth. Let’s look at the first, um, first.
For the realist, truth exists independently of anyone’s particular viewpoint or opinion. The truth is the truth. The difficulty with the realist theory of truth, however, is that no one has been able to isolate the concept itself. Some say that the truth is that which accords with the facts, but this just drives the question back to the veridical nature of the facts themselves as well as to the veridical interpretration of them. In other words, the realist knows that the truth exists but he is unable to concretely specify its content. In the case of the transit strike, for example, the poster claims that even though the vast majority think they know what the truth is, they really don’t. But the poster does. Unfortunately, like the rest of the realists, he seems to be unable to specify just what it is.
For the coherentist things are different. For him there is no some sort of Platonic Truth subsisting independently of its particulars to say nothing about those individuals who claim to know it. Truth for the coherentist means, quite simply, that something is “true” if it coheres with the rest of his conceptual framework. It is true if it has “conceptual fit.” The difficulty here, however, is that the position leads to total relativism. Truth is what you think it is. You’re right if you think you are. In other words, the position undermines any coherent(!) philosophy, in this case epistemology or the study of knowledge and by extention, the study of truth. In the case of the transit strike, for example, if the vast majority of think they know what the truth is, well, that’s the truth.
Montrealman realizes that this deconstruction of the nature of the concept of truth will not resolve the controversy as to what, in the case of the transit strike, is the truth. It may, however, shed light on the question by way of revealing, for those who are interested, just why they think as they do in respect to the nature of truth.
Perhaps Montrealman should take a seat at the negotiation table.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
Go ahead, More, go tell the elderly woman who can’t get to the food back or the disabled guy who can’t make medical appointments about the wonderful transit union (or for that matter, this wonderful city and their many managers who bend taxpayers over a barrel to pay for your cushy raises) and they’d spit in your fucking mug.
LOLZ =D
Muntremoleman is lecturing on truth.
PK, they’re called Information Pickets and are fairly a common precursor to a strike. It’s normally used to tell the public a strike is possible and the reason(s) for it. It makes sense to be able to gauge public opinion.
TTFN… If you had been reading some of the other bus threads I’ve posted in…you would see I believe the Transit Union fucked up majorly by disrupting the Acess-a-bus, which IMO is an essential service. I don’t believe the regular transit service should be considered essential service & I really don’t agree that tax payers are forced to pay additional taxes & are in fact carrying over 50% of the cost of it.
The entire city system is so top heavy, in the management end of things as well as higher wages, that the constant increase in taxes isn’t sustainable.
I lived in the city for a number of years & I know for a fact the food bank system is feeding more people that don’t need it than do. I have been in bars & heard women talking about what time they were meeting to go to the food bank tomorrow…watched them pumping cash into the video loto….So they got lots of money for the damn machines , money to buy cigarettes & drink beer…but tomorrow we’re off to the food bank.
I know guy’s who would rather not come to work so it doesn’t fuck up their UI, or mess up their welfare benefits ! ! ! I’ve even been in downtown Dartmouth in a bar having a beer when most of the place cleared out & when I mentioned to the bartender, that I was sorry that my presence drove away her customers ?!? & she said , no, they are all going over to the Octerloney food kitchen for lunch ! ! ! Hanging around bars drinking & smoking & off to the free food !
So excuse me if the few who need it are involved in a system that is being sucked dry by those who don’t !
Maybe there are some who need it…the system needs to find a way to weed out those that don’t !
In My Opinion
I believe in help the needy ..not the greedy, so if I can’t tell them apart, fuck them all .
As for someone spitting in my face, I can’t stop anyone from doing that.
I can react to the insult at the time though.
Dishonest people are everywhere, More – the food scammers, the union and the city. The shame of all this shit is that the passengers are being ignored totally – it’s just a never-ending pissing contest between the union and the city.
‘The vast majority of people speaking out against the transit strike are not capable of supporting any union for any reason at any time.’ – OP, I would like to see the stats on that. On what would you base this statement?
I tend to disagree with the OP on this one. While I am an ardent supporters of unions, this particular union seems have fumbled the ball right from the get-go.
The city is handily winning in the court of public opinion and that’s no reflection of them as being popular, it’s more about the fact that the union can’t gage which way the wind’s blowing. The union should have taken it upon themselves to run the Access-a-buses during the strike and, if the city stopped them or locked them out, the city would be the bad guys. If the city tried to use inexperienced personnel instead, the union could justifably say that they putting people’s lives in danger. Instead they don’t do anything and block the Access-a-buses when the city tries run them further alienating themselves in public opinion. Then the snow plows, an abysmally bad decision and further alienation.
The problem is that the union is far more visible than their counterparts and with the sour mood the public is in, they are the image etched in people’s minds when they think of all the inconvenience they’ve endured.
Time to do something positive, give a little or maybe a bit more than that and recoup some public support a/k/a the buses running.
Actually, I saw an Access-A-Bus out yesterday.
It works both ways. The vast majority of people speaking out in favour of the transit strike on behalf of the union support unions regardless of what they do for any reason at any time.
I think the province should step in and legislate them back to work with binding arbitration. From what I hear, both sides do not want binding arbitration, so it sounds like this might be the only way to get both sides to meet half way.
RSVP
: troondon formosus (March 10, 5:53PM)
“Time to do something positive, give a little or maybe a bit more than that and recoup some public support a/k/a the buses running.”
Give a little or maybe a bit more than that? How much is a bit more than a little, Troon? I don’t know, Troon, it sounds like another waffle to me.
And um, Troon, that should be “gauge,” not “gage.” You’ve got to learn to pronounce the “u.” (That was a joke, Troon.)
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
Mm,
You need to relax a bit. Often you are way too pedantic.
Ah hahhaha! That was funny Monsieur! “Pronounce the u” you kill me or maybe not.
Gage is actually a formal challenge or representative of one like a knight throwing down a glove. I thought it was a variation of “gauge”.
No waffles here, merely stating the obvious. The union’s position is becoming dire and I believe they are the ones that have to act. The city has this albatross around their neck as well and I’m sure they would like to end it as well. The union needs to offer a watered-down version of the rostering that the city might find palatable and the union can put forward as some sort of victory. In this sort of pissing match, it’s all about the optics.
RSVPs
: Great Value (March 11, 12:15PM)
“Often you are too pedantic.”
I took your advice GV and am now relaxed. But I want to learn. You say that I am often “too pedantic” but, GV, that is only an opening assertion, an introduction if you like. Now’s your chance to support your claim. As I’m sure you are aware, such support is what separates a legitimate assertion from an empty opinion, what some (but not me) might call “hot air.” If you don’t (or are unable to) support it then I won’t be relaxed anymore. Don’t let me down, GV.
: troondon formosus (3:25PM)
“No waffles, merely stating the obvious.”
That may be true at one level, Troon, but look at your post (March 10, 5:31PM) where, at another level – that of your likes and dislikes if you like(!) – you write that while you are an “ardent supporters (sic) of unions” you then go on to state that this union “has gone too far.” One is either an “ardent supporter” or one isn’t. In other words, the two assertions cannot be both simultaneously true, resulting in – wait for it, Troon – a waffle!
Do you think my reasoning is correct here, Troon? (Refer to one of my previous posts of this thread, “What is Truth?”, if you are experiencing difficulty with the concept).
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
Montrealman without the pedantry? Oh sure, I suppose it’s conceivable. Sort of like alcohol free beer, vegetarian pizza, diet coke, Africa without child soldiers, The Coast minus the hipper than thou left-wing sanctimony. But what would be the point?
RSVPs
: Col. Ivansonofabitch (March 12, 8:56AM)
“The Coast minus the hipper than thou left-wing sanctimony.”
“sanctimony, n – making a show of sanctity or piety.” (The Concise Oxford)
Ah, it appears that Ivan has fallen into GV’s trap regarding “pedantry,” that is, he must not just make the charge but must support it, that is, bring forth examples of Montrealman’s “sanctimony” and demonstrate just how they illustrate his making a show of sanctity or piety . Of course, a moment’s reflection will reveal that Ivan’s assertion is itself an example of sanctimony – he feels that the title of The Coast’s “hipper-than-thou” is rightfully his and, of course, he lashes out wildly. Montrealman will buff his nails while awaiting Ivan’s reply.
POSTSCRIPTS
: GV (March 11, 12:15PM)
“pedantic, a – one who overestimates or parades book learning or technical knowledge insists on strict adherence to formal rules.” (The Concise Oxford)
Sadly, but not unexpectedly, GV has gone to earth and failed to support his charge that Montrealman is “pedantic.” Has GV learned his lesson? Has he understood that one must not make unsupported assertions, particularly in respect to Montrealman, who will proceed to hold his feet to the fire? Watch this space.
: troondon formosus (March 11, 3:25PM)
“Gage is actually a formal challenge or representative of one like a knight throwing down a glove.”
Sadly, but not unexpectedly, Troon has failed to evade Montrealman’s charge of waffling. Has Troon learned his lesson? Has he understood that one must not, simultaneously, adopt two conflicting views in order to secure a specious compromise? Watch this space.
Surely Troon must be aware of the fact that it is a “gauntlet” or mailed glove and not a “gage” that a knight throws down in making a formal challenge. One does pronounce the “u” here, Troon. Will Troon use his dictionary the next time he ventures into, what clearly are for him, murky waters? Watch this space.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
lolz – Ivan “Montrealman without the pedantry”. I was thinking more along the lines of “diarrhea without the gas”.
I would be happy to support a Union if there were a valid reason to do so. There is not in this instance.