Really cost. Yes the SMU thing was bad, (although i really think this is really getting blown out of control but its a news story with the in news thing of the year here, bulllying/consent so what do you expect). But in your own article your “prestigious” writer threw in on the last line “I think there are other issues still worth discussing, including:
Why is it that while SMU has a fairly multi-cultural and diverse campus, the “student leaders” are overwhelmingly white and, evidently, to a person, clueless?”
So we REALLY need to play the race card. I mean REALLY. I know you have to play the white man card because over in the wonderful places like india and the united arab emirates where the big bad white man isn’t in charge there is no rape at all and consent is given and respected 100% to all ages. —Sick of Idiotic reporting meant to create a mob
This article appears in Sep 5-11, 2013.
Yes the SMU chant was bad, it was very bad. A chant about raping little girls is “Burn in Hell” bad. It’s not about race, it’s about insensitivity towards female issues. Yes UAE and India are bastions of that kind of attitude.
Are the student leaders overwhelmingly white? I don’t know. They’re definitely clueless I’ll give you that. If they are white in majority and the university is that multicultural, there’s another problem.
Maybe it’s because the a lot of of the non white students are exchange students, or students from abroad who go to university to study rather than participate -let alone lead- in the idiotic frosh parties.
But it was rather stupid for the reporter to even mention that observation. It’s like a checklist they go through when writing articles when they realize they don’t have a point. [ ] Can I tie in race to make this a more *insert personal bias here* article?
Yeah Coast! Furthermore……
The student leaders are overwhelmingly female. So does that make it sexist now on top of being racist? Reverse sexism is still discrimination and reverse discrimination makes me cry when I’m victimized by it 🙁
Then to top it all off, the majority of student leaders in India and the Arab countries are not white. Thats even more racism by the way.
If you’re shocked by this, OP, then you must be fairly new to The Coast. It’s called “progressive thinking” or “round up the usual suspects” if you prefer. I’m just surprised Tim didn’t try to blame it on the P.M.O., or work in a Peter Kelly angle.
Maybe that’s for this weeks expose.
There’s an international students’ orientation too.
THey just don’t make the news because they don’t sing songs about raping minors.
“THey just don’t make the news because they don’t sing songs about raping minors.”
Well, at Friday prayers, perhaps.
You’ve all articulated my thoughts well so i only have one thing to add.
Op. I sincerely hope you don’t write your papers in the same style as your bitches. For your own good as well as your professors’ sanity.
Our government is made up of mostly white folk as this is representative of the people of this province …. soooooo the same can be said for the student associations within universities…… there are societies within these groups that are specific to race/culture/creed/licorice/country/LGBT – and ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ – so, really you have no point.
Is the OB the next journalist for The Cost?
To be fair to Tim Arse-Biscuit he pretty much had to play the race card, since there was nothing in the Feminist Dialectic Playbook that could account for the fact that about half the crowd of enthusiastic chanters happened to be girls.
Monstercocks remark that the international students are too busy studying to be involved in a sing song about raping might have some validity, or perhaps it’s to get away from this –
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-24…
Let’s not forget the Delhi rape gang that have just been found guilty, and hopefully will hang.
Then there are the Asian/Muslim gangs in the UK preying on vulnerable girls, raping them and passing them around like a joint, before forcing them into prostitution.
Rapists and pedos come in all colours and creeds, they should all hang. Singing and glorifying it, and even worse, not being aware of what you’re chanting, is equally disgusting and the University should take drastic action.
“OTHER ISSUES”
:”I think there are other issues still worth discussing.” prestigious writer
I agree with the “prestigious writer” that there are other issues worth discussing in connection with SMU but, although 30% of the student body comes from other countries, racism is not one of them. For the most part and unlike many of the home-growns if the frosh-week antics are any indication, foreign students are there to learn. So what are the principal “other issues” worth discussing?
The first is academic performance. Maclean’s latest “Primarily Undergraduate University Ranking” places SMU at #9 out of 19 universities across Canada. (Mount Allison is #1 and even UPEI (#4) tops SMU which is tied with Bishop’s University in Quebec’s Eastern Townships.) So, is #9 good enough for SMU and if it isn’t, how can its ranking be improved?
The second issue relates to the Maclean’s ranking itself. The problem with national rankings is that all Canadian universities are autonomous institutions. There is no common academic yardstick against which all of them might be measured. While “hard data” such as class size, student-professor ratios, the number of books in the various libraries have a general sort of relevance, there is no concrete academic basis on which to ground any meaningful comparison. So is the problem insoluble?
I don’t think so. Education of course is a matter of provincial jurisdiction under the provisions of the BNA Act but why cannot there be a provincial certification authority which, on the basis of common examinations, rates the performance of those universities coming under their purview? A national certification authority, no doubt after much federal-provincial wrangling, might be envisioned in the dim and distant future. Anyway, it would be a start.
At least shopping around for a university wouldn’t reduce to selecting competing brands of cereals.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
Here I was sitting and listening to the radio this morning. They had a call in segment about this “rape culture” issue. I see red when people send the message that its ok to take your own personal safety for granted. The host of the show, in response to a caller says, “its not a woman’s job to keep from getting raped”. Yes, on paper and in a world where everyone respects everyone’s rights, you’re right. Its not my job to keep from getting robbed either but, I still have locks on my doors. Its also not my job to keep from being assaulted, killed, or taken advantage of in any way either but, I try not to put myself in positions where I may be in danger. The same can be said for just about any crime where there is a victim. Perhaps it not a good idea for a young woman to bring a strange, drunk, asshole, home to her apartment, alone. Should she expect, in a perfect world, to have that same asshole respect her feelings and body alike? Absolutely but, we’re not living in a perfect world and not everyone plays by the rules.
Only a month ago or so, I was listening to the same station, and I chastised the host for sending the message that it’s ok for women (or anyone for that matter) to drink with abandon because, they have the “right” to do so. Well, I have the right to test my flying suit I made from tissue paper and bread ties. Does that mean I don’t have any responsibility when I hit the ground at terminal velocity?
I’m sick and tired of people sending the message to young impressionable women that we live in a consequence free society where peoples rights trump common sense and personal safety. I’m not saying that what women wear or how they act is a reason to rape them, far from it but, young women should not be coached to think that someone’s rights are a consequence free guarantee for safety. We all know that rape is a crime of violence and control. Do we not try and protect ourselves from violence?
Everyone needs to pull their fucking heads from their collective asses.
The Captain tried explaining that same concept to a girlfriend once, SHIT-D. The words ‘slut shaming’ were thrown around, and I was accused of being insensitive towards rape victims (which I maintain the greatest sympathy towards). But people don’t or won’t take responsibility for their actions, as well as the actions people take against them.
People shouldn’t have to, but they do because of the world we live in. It’s the difference between what ‘ought’ to be and what actually ‘is’.
If someone dresses provocatively, gets black-out drunk, takes some nefarious character home from the bar, and proceeds to get fucked (in every sense of the phrase), we have to realize that a portion of what precipitated that situation is the victims fault. It’s not entirely (although it is mostly) the fault of the perpetrator. This obviously wasn’t the intent of the victim, they just didn’t understand the consequences of their actions and so blame unforeseen outcomes on exterior factors. By victims not admitting, and in fact denying, any relation to the cause of an assault they are undermining their ability to prevent further occurrences of the event. You cannot stop a bad habit (ie: Wearing almost nothing and getting smashed at bars filled with douches) if you do not realize that it is a bad habit.
My parents always told me not to be out late at night by myself. If I was by chance, and got raped, would I not hold myself at least a tiny bit accountable? Or would I just be shaming myself?
The Captain isn’t blaming anyone. You can’t fault an individual for ignorance, only the group that they reside in.
…..Assuming that the half dressed drunk unconscious female who took some asshole(name said asshole for what he is-RAPIST) home from a bar wasn’t drugged and was some how able to verbally consent.
Times change so must attitudes.
I don’t know, WAC, I was thought as a child that we all take responsibility for our actions. Is that what you’re suggesting has to change?
Lets look at how this imaginary lady got drugged…
A) she took the drug herself, perhaps on the poor advice of somone she either knew or didn’t.
B) it was put in her drink unbeknownst to her which means she either 1) left her drink unattended, or 2) accepted a drink from someone who isn’t to be trusted, or 3) picked up and drank the wrong drink.
It’s a persons job, and their job alone, to keep their wits about them and protect themselves from harm. Getting too comfortable (or too drunk to keep your wits about them) in a place where you know nasty shit happens on a regular basis, is in itself negligent on their own part. This does not mean that in that condition someone has the right to rape this fictional person, but it doesn’t fully absolve their responsibility for ignoring common sense and denting the structural integrity of the pillar that is their personal safety. I’m not saying they’re “asking” for it or they “deserve” it but, by their own poor choices, they ended up in that particular situation.
Its plain and simple folks, the world is not some unicorn and pony picnic where we all travel around on rainbows made of love and fairness. Ever hear the saying “it’s a cruel world out there, protect yourself”? Sounds like sound advice to me!!!
I believe my post was gender neutral, Boru. Anyone can dress provocatively and get drugged or raped…
As well, you’re missing the point. Going to the bar is the first part of the problem. Getting black-out drunk is the second part of the problem. Someone removing themselves from the bar will prevent the following…
-Roofies in their drink (this can also happen at house parties, dorm parties, etc…)
-The sexual advances from unwanted sources
-Hangovers (not actually, one can still drink at home to achieve these)
-Huge bar bills
-Poor development of social skills
-Major loss of brain cells from binge drinking
-The ‘Walk of shame’
-Being taken advantage of because one is drunk at a bar
-Being assaulted by a cabbie on the drive home
-It will also prevent YOU from assaulting another person, unintentionally of course. If you’re drunk at a bar you may innocently persuade another to come home with you (what’s usually called flirting), and that person may acquiesce, but in the morning regret that decision that you persuaded them towards. You’ve just unintentionally committed a form sexual assault.
The Captain isn’t saying stay home from the bar, that’s just silly. Just realize that by choosing to be in these places you’ll open yourself up to all these potential scenarios (both good and bad). People just need to be aware of the risks, be responsible, and at the end of the day slightly accountable for what happens.
I’m sick and tired of my wife and I having to be “streetsmart”. How about the rest of the world teaching their kids to not rob, swarm and attack people?
Nope. Don’t think I’m going to stop being streetsmart any time soon.
I wish the world was some unicorn and pony picnic where we all travel around on rainbows made of love and fairness unfortunately know all too well I is not.
I was not implying people aren’t responsible for what we do.
It happens too often that a female who does take every precaution while drinking (bar,house party,etc..)but still becomes a victim of rape.Yet the she is “slut shamed”(although she isn’t promiscuous) and judged simply because she placed herself in a situation where she could ‘ALLOW’ herself to become a victim…SOOO by doing so, said female is blamed because she put herself in the situation where she is raped.
MEN if the female who takes you home then passes out before pre- agreed upon sex act leave or leave her alone. be an ADULT and simply leave it in your pants.
ive always made it a point not to sleep with women who have consumed any form of noxious agent. even with my wife, if shes drunk, its bed time honey, no fun stuff till you are sober. it makes it all easier in the morning and ive always had a clear conscience. could i expect ANYONE else to be like me of course not…but i hope to see a unicorn just ONCE in my life for real.
mmmm….bbq unicorn…..
Why is the media blaming the student union and student leaders for the incident? What about the faculty of the school who accept our tutions and tax dollars yet propagate rape culture and alienation of young women? The teachers and adults who allowed this disgusting chant to endure for FIVE YEARS should be questioned!!
So OB, raping someone – better raping an underage person – is acceptable and the horror the public experiences (reflected by the media) is “…really getting blown out of control.” Do I understand that correctly?
yah meaty, I think you nailed OP’s attitude. he/she says ‘bullying/consent’ and omits all the stuff about underage girls, smu boys like em young, nice & tight. he’s sanitized the whole thing in his mind.
and typically for someone on a shaky premise, flings other countries behaviour around. the gap between the race of the student govt people and races of the students is a completely separate issue and has nothing to do with the turfburn episode. as the article author wrote, it is ‘another issue’. not ‘part of this issue’ or ’cause of this issue’ or anything remotely related to the turfburn issue. it is ANOTHER issue. OP, you just got pissed about it being mentioned at all.
Cujo12″ even with my wife, if shes drunk, its bed time honey, no fun stuff till you are sober.”
I suspect your wife is none too happy about your rule.
If she’s a woman you just met who you picked up at a bar I can understand the logic behind your rule.
Not everyone likes drunk sloppy sex Boru.
Nukka Your correct not all of us like drunk sex.
My point was, he shouldn’t feel guilty (the morning after) the odd time he does give in to sex with his drunk wife,she is his wife after all.
You sound like a fungi Nukka. Fun guy. Get it. Saturday nights with you must be swell.