Great! Another psycho comes to town to kill another member of our community. And why? Because some idiot refused to keep him locked up for administrative or budget reasons. Or maybe someone couldn’t bear to call the authorities on him. Either way, another one of us gets killed. Yeah, gay community come to Halifax! Enjoy the scenery and spend your money before some crazy person kills you! —Sad Today
This article appears in Apr 12-18, 2012.
I want to know which bureaucratic dimbulb released a fucking crazy-ass murderer out on a day pass. This was a crime that didn’t have to happen.
As terrible and horrible as this situation is, OP, you’re blowing things way out of proportion.
I don’t understand how people like that can be given any sort of pass to leave supervision for any amount of time. There was a pedophile that was at “high risk to re-offend” that was released like a year ago and the public wasn’t told where he would be living other than “somewhere in HRM”.
In all honesty, I don’t think this was a hate crime at all — I think whomever had’ve been there trying to break the fight up would’ve been killed.
It’s just so sad and tragic because this guy, along with being an overall good guy, was just trying to help someone else in need. And this is what he gets for it.
WHY this obviously very sick individual (Denny) was allowed out of the loony bin is beyond me and someone has A LOT of explaining to do. TTFN’s right: this is something that was VERY preventable.
What Brendon said. A man had the courage to intervene where he saw something wrong occurring. He died. That’s a tragedy. Witnesses had the courage to step up and cooperate with law enforcement. A suspect was apprehended. This will not go into the books as yet another Halifax cold case. One system failed because of the inherent weaknesses of bureaucracy; another system worked, because people acted on their best impulses.
Sounds like Raymond was just at the wrong place at the wrong time. Could have just as easily been me or you. What I’m getting at is that we don’t know if his being gay had anything to do with his murder. Wait till the facts come out before you label this a hate crime. I’m not saying it wasn’t but it seems like a random act of violence by a man diagnosed to be insane. There are places not all that far away from here where being gay is much more difficult and dangerous than it is here in Halifax. Sure we’ve got a ways to go we’re not Texas or Mississippi.
The real issue is why are we just letting these people who have been known to be violent and impulsive walk the streets? Is it really a tough decision to make? Hmm, he assaulted someone not long ago, he has a long history of being arbitrarily violent, he’s a paranoid schizophrenic, should we let him out of our site and trust that he’ll come back when we tell him? I don’t think I need a degree in medicine to figure that out. Our tax dollars hard at work, folks.
I hope in all the outrage that Raymond’s message of love conquers all is not lost. RIP to him and all the other victims of senseless violence, black, white, gay and straight.
Please don’t blame Halifax for this one man’s disgusting actions.
guess it’s luck you weren’t the intended victem then, ah but friend, there is always tomorrow, when you could get it.
people get shot and maimed all the bloody time here.
If it wasn’t this gay activist, it could have just as easily been some popped collar walking home from the dome or some grandma yelling from her stoop.
It is sad.. it shouldn’t have happened… but we have a good history of that already.
glen race’s antics, or the poor sailor in front of what’s now the toothy moose…
not unique… but far to familiar.
Fairview is like bootcamp for halifax survival.
eyes always everywhere at all times… on everything that’s moving…
even while just chilling in a barber shop.
DAMN IT…
mixed up my two too to’s…
I HATE it when people do that…
You think it’s just the gay community that is in danger on the streets? Way more women are assaulted than gay men I’d wager.
The only difference is that CBC isn’t there to talk about us.
It’s terrible what happened. yes. What’s worse is that there are a pile of dead bodies that didn’t get any attention whatsoever. Women. Children. Men the media didn’t deem interesting enough.
ALL murder is a hate crime.
Not fucking surprised they let him out. My friend recently went crazy. Screams 24 hours a day. breaks shit – his and other people’s – and every time he is taken by his exasperated family to the abbey they turn him away claiming he’s sane.
He is so fucked nobody will let him live with them INCLUDING shelters. And yet the abbey lane swears he’s just fine.
Take it easy, sOBastian.
you could be the next one at a morgue, don’t push your luck or mouth too far.
I don’t believe this was a hate crime. I don’t believe the psycho singled out Raymond and killed him for his sexual preference.
What I want to know is the criteria for someone who has been found criminally NOT responsible for violent crimes (threatening to slit the throats of the neighbors in their sleep, holding a woman hostage and repeatedly sexually assaulting her, and slitting the throat of a 3 month old puppy) being allowed out, unsupervised, without some sort of tracking anklet or bracelet. What kind of lax security is that shit? Sorry… I guess he did promise not to be crazy while out for an hour. FFS!!!
This better be the end of this douchebags freedom. I don’t care if he’s crazy or not, he has proven without a doubt, he is unable to be a productive member of society and deserves to spend the rest of his life under constant supervision, for his and the publics safety. Enough is enough!! There are people with mental problems that with the right rehab and meds, LEARN to live somewhat normal lives. This takes time, effort, and dedication from the patient, and this numbnut exhibits none of the above, let the useless fuck rot in some padded cell in some basement somewhere.
people, two words defines all murderers sentences , “death penalty”.
Hmmmm…Murder conviction = death penalty
Here is the simplist way I can explain why I’m not OK with state murder (ok Provincial murder)
Donald Marshall Jr
David Milgaard
Rubin ‘Hurricane’ Carter
Simon Marshall
Guy Paul Morin
Thomas Sophonow
Gregory Parsons
James Driskell
Stephen Truscott
Chris McCullogh
I found 25 names of convicted murderers, just Canadians & all of them were acquitted.
Exactly how, L.S. & others who want a murder the convicted murderer policy/law, are we going to bring the dead people the Province/Federal Government Judges order killed for Murder…when we find new evidence that “OH SHIT !” They Were Innocent All Along ?!?!?!?!?
ITs the only sticking point I have against state sanctioned murder, you give me a way we can fix it if we institute a death penalty & I’ll push the switch, fire the gun, plug in the chair or supply the rope, I’m happy to do it & save the tax payers some money… whatever is decided…as long as we can give life back to the innocent we mistakenly execute.
well said mr more, there are no do overs
It’s muddled whether or not it’s a hate crime. The lunatic was certainly yelling at and attacking a man leaving that bar, grabbing him and bashing his head against a store window. When the second gent intervened, he was punched and had his head slammed repeatedly against the pavement until he died.
It doesn’t really matter, the attacker should be locked for good this time. The bureaucrats at the East Coast Forensic facility really have to get their shit together
Sad – that is a disgusting post. Since the incident there has been enough coverage to ensure that you and the rest of us know that the alleged perpetrator has serious mental issues, and at most we know 1% of what transpired.
There have been many murders in our HRM community, this one just happens to have a higher profile.
Consider your rant and then apologise, and take time to educate yourself about mental health and the law in Canada. You may be the next Andre Denny.
I don’t view this as a hate crime. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Lost his life while trying to do the right thing. Want to blame anyone on this? Question the hospital that released him.
The fact that it occurred outside a well known gay bar, and the killer uttered a pejorative for homosexual no longer allowed on this website belies this as more than wrong place/wrong time situation.
Jesus H. Christ on a raft, people, what should the psycho do to show you it was targeted—place small burning cylindrical sticks of wood underneath the victim?
Sorry-know shouldn’t post and drink-but I just read this whole thread and it pisses me off. Stop giving the murderer the benefit of the doubt, ffs!
If he’s a psychopath he cannot register the emotion of hatred and therefore it is not a hate crime.
and would you want someone like that living next to you more? or anyone else on here either? me, i say shoot the fucking idiot with some bye bye juice, and have done with another chance to get out in a month ot two, and do someone else in, maybe you next time, more.
Very good post, Mssr More. Good points. Tough talking about ” if they don’t want to throw the switch, I will!” is all bullshit. If killing was so easy, everyone would do it.
Wp
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ALL murder is a hate crime.
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I don’t think that means what you think it means.
Wp
not to mention… how did he get from burnside to gottigen?
I’d bet a hefty sum it was by bus…
where we could have had our own greyhound slaughter incident.
makes you want to take public transit all that much more, doesn’t it?
I think at this point in time the public doesn’t have enough information to determine whether or not this was a hate crime.
1. He is a psychotic, not a psychopath.
2. A hate crime is defined as a crime targeted towards a person or group because of the victim’s membership in a certain social or ethnic group.
3. I agree about the abolishment of the death penalty. I think it is letting them off too easily. That’s why that Norwegian whack job wants death.
Well now! Not certain if this was a hate crime? Don’t believe it was? Do this:
Replace Raymond with a black guy. Have the murderer yell the “N” word as he’s smashing the back guy’s head into the sidewalk.
Now stand somewhere in a public place in Preston and say that the killing wasn’t racially motivated. Oh, and call the people you meet the “N” word too.
Alternately, replace Raymond with a woman. Have the murderer yell “whore” word as he’s smashing her head into the sidewalk.
Now stand somewhere in a public place and say that the killing wasn’t motivated by the murderer’s hatred of women and be sure to call the women you meet whores.
Not only wouldn’t I want someone like that living by me L.S….I wouldn’t want him living by any of you either. I’m prepared for the usual ‘fall through the cracks’,the spokespeople for the doctors/mental health will spin at us in the media, “all mentally ill people are entitled to be allowed to return to the community when they are ‘better'” type comments as well !
Well obviously mistakes on whether someone is better or not keep happening. But IMO these excuses are getting lamer & lamer, after all with our new technology, our tracking bracelets have gotten better as well. Perhaps when people are being slowly reintegrated into the community, something like an ankle bracelet that would allow the police or others to track you down if you take off, needs implementation.
If the police were called ,according to the paper ,by a hospital at 8:45 or so, that a patient had failed to return & the murder took place 5/6 hours later…IMO if the police had a way to track the missing person & in this case we wouldn’t have had another murder victim. We’d still have a problem person in the system, but IMO a senseless death is worth the cost of some tracking hardware. This would also work to possibly help find & possibly stop a mentally disturbed person commiting suicide etc.
IF we can do nothing to change the fact of a senseless loss of life, at least someone up there in the upper areas of Government/Law enforcement could figure out…we put tracking bracelets on people under house arrest, so we know where they are. Why not a mental patient who is being let out unescourted from the hospital ?
“Alternately, replace Raymond with a woman. Have the murderer yell “whore” word as he’s smashing her head into the sidewalk.”
does calling one woman a whore make you a complete and blatant chauvinist?
so much so to the point that that one-sentence description is enough to 100% whole-heartedly prove that claim?
I think not.
And who exactly is doing this?
“Now stand somewhere in a public place and say that the killing wasn’t racially motivated. Oh, and call the people you meet _____’s too.”
speaking of someone who is off his meds….
We get it… it’s tragic… but you’re on a witch hunt dude.
put out the torch and put the pitchfork away, the cops have him and he’ll be tried like every other (potential though very likely) criminal.
CBC Radio is filling Info Mng and the afternoon show with this one story. Enough already. let the justice system deal with this. Bad things happen, awful things happen. Street women have been murdered and never got this much attention. Mental illness is the issue and we have been given several explanations why the man was given a one hour pass.
If you want tougher rules call your MP. If you think the present laws are adequate call your MP.
Just be thankful you don’t have the mental illness that has afflicted Andre Denny for 17 years.
And spare a thought for the first man who was assaulted, the media seem to be ignoring him and his injuries.
Joeblow. I don’t give a shit about educating myself about mental health. I have no problem with crazy people whatsoever but if you’re a danger to the people around you, you need to be contained.
Only an idiot would argue with that.
THE MUDDLE OF PSYCHOLOGY/PSYCHIATRY
: Xenophilia (April 19, 9:45AM)
“He’s a psychotic, not a psychopath.”
The Concise Oxford Dictionary
“Psychotic: n. one suffering from severe mental derangement involving the whole personality.”
“Psychopath: n. a mentally deranged person.”
Was Andre Denny a psychotic or a psychopath? Unlike Xeno, the Dictionary doesn’t appear to distinguish one from the other but what does appear obvious is the muddle surrounding the two terms in particular and, by extension, the practice of forensic psychology and psychiatry in general.
According to Pat Lee and Claire Mellor (“Unescorted leaves from forensic hospital common, officials say,” Halifax Chronicle-Herald, April 19), Andre Denny was in the “early stages of re-integration.” But what does that mean? Given the muddle surrounding what one supposes are major branches of psychopathology, how are such “early stages” to be distinguished from “later stages”? How is the determination made? If the determination is made at “the clinical team’s discretion” as the article maintains, on what basis is such “discretion” grounded?
It turns out Denny may not have been a psychotic or a psychopath but after all but a schizophrenic, one defined as having a “mental disease marked by disconnection between thoughts, feelings and actions.” But if that’s the case, how is schizophrenia distinguished from psychosis or psychopathology? Stephen Ayer of the Schizophrenic Society of Nova Scotia reveals that, “I’m not a psychiatrist, but my understanding is that it is not easy always to determine.” Well, that and $1.76 will get you a cup of coffee.
However Dr. Aileen Brunet, the spokesperson fot the hospital wants us to know that, “It’s been very distressing, and very upsetting.” Well, there you go. Maybe she should join Stephen for that cup of coffee.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
Well, at least you’re using a better dictionary than the American heritage (I wouldn’t let my students use that piece of merde) but perhaps you should try the DSM-IV for a definitive answer…
Neurotic: Builds sand castles in the air.
Psychotic: Moves into sand castle.
Psychiatrist: Collects the rent.
Sociopath: Collects rent from several people for same place.
Psychopath: Kills all of the above and cruises for next victim.
Not a hate crime, folks. Meaty, your own “logic” backfires on you actually.
The deceased was not targeted but intervened in a situation and became the object of rage. Not a hate crime.
RSVP
: Xenophilia (April 19, 5:07PM)
That should be “The American College Dictionary,” dear. Get your titles right.
: (5:14PM)
Is that a little jingle you sang as you did those naked snow angels in Massachusetts? Do you think it (the jingle) would qualify you for a position on staff of the Nova Scotia hospital? I think it might!
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
Excellent retort, montrealman!
I have to disagree on the “I think it is letting them off too easily. That’s why that Norwegian whack job wants death.” I’d rather wager that for him, death = insta-martyr status for his ridiculous cause and a good occasion for copycats to pop up. The way the Norwegian government reacted, which is by not instating extra security measures / security theater / systemic paranoia, is the best course of action as the opposite (going ‘police state’) is exactly what the perpetrator would have hoped for.
As for the current situation, a locator bracelet or an escort would have been the least of measures to take if the individual was already considered unstable to start with.
well, if that’s the criterion they used for hiring, I daresay I’d make the cut. I’m not a doctor, however, and make no claims to degrees I do not have.
RSVP
: Xenophila (April 19, 10:02PM)
“I’m not a doctor, however, and make no claims to degrees I do not have.”
Neither do I, dear.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!