You may not agree with someone’s beliefs—you may have different morals, background, religion, culture—but at the end of the day bashing someone else’s way of life (when it otherwise doesn’t affect you), and backing up your biased bashing with your opinion on the “truth” seems rather flawed.
If someone chooses not to conform to the liquored up night scene of Halifax it doesn’t give you the right to jump on their belief system and tear it up because of your own opinion. I don’t do what you do, but I don’t openly criticize it because it doesn’t affect me—It has nothing to do with me—how you conduct your life is all you. Express your freedom, I’m with ya. What you do is your business (unless your freedom starts crushing my personal freedom…then not so much). These are our rights, right?
Well, my free will chose to be religious. And my free will is saddened by the fact that people will only accept others way of life as long as it conforms to popular culture, or at least Halifax culture. Religious lifestyles can be seen as controlling, forced, dowdy, boring, delusional…and I say, so what? So what if this is what I believe. What I do doesn’t affect anyone else except myself. And unless you ask about my beliefs and actually want to know and have a nice open dialogue, I don’t waste my (or your) time
People have clumped together all religious people and do exactly what racists and homophobes do. Yup. Stereotyping. Except now it’s so accepted against religious people don’t even realize they’re doing it.
I’m a good person. I’m not a big fan of oppressing women, mutilation or trying to tear down a secular society. I don’t so much appreciate having my lifestyle ripped on when I would happily jump out to most people’s defence. —Think About It
This article appears in Jul 19-25, 2012.
Poster, I have thought about it, and you don’t know jack shit. You are another arm chair geek that doesn’t like going out, being alive, or even having a life. With that in mind, all I can say is, do your own thing, and let others do theirs. No matter how screwed up it might become.You are not their personel guard or even a big brother/sister. So just let those who will ruin their lives, do it.
And speak of the devil!
Hi suckers!
I guess you were lying through your tooth when you said you were gone for good!
just popped in to see what the idiots were up to. now i know. and now, i’m popping back out again. i have too much going on here to bother with this place anymore.
I do feel bad for the people who believe in whatever of their own free will and are lumped in with the anti-abortionists, killers in the names of, and boy fuckers.
Stay true to yourself, that’s all that really matters.
FFS, George Peters/Life Sucks… The poster is saying exactly what you just told him to do, do his own thing and let others do theirs. He is asking why other people need to shit all over his beliefs, judge him or make fun of him for believing in what he choses to believe in when he never forces those beliefs on anyone. Yet, your dumb ass calls him out in your first sentence and says he “don’t know jack shit” and doesn’t know how to be alive just because he doesn’t think the same or act the same as you.
Lols
I *knew* Grumpie Gary was lying through his big yellow tooth when he said he was leaving!
“I’m leaving forever. Fuck you guys!”
“Oh hay. Just dropped by to etc etc”
What a dillweed!
Wp
you people really crack me up, you know that. you are seeing ghosts in everyone that posts on here. get a fucking life you bunch of losers.i only pop in for a minute, make one comment, and next thing i know, you are jumping all over yourselves saying someone else is moi. get fucking real for shits sake. next thing ivan will be me, or daniel or even meaty or zilla. fuck me you people are simple minded. and i’m glad to be getting rid of this site and most of you.
say what the fuck ever you want, i really don’t give a shit. no, really, i don’t. as much as you would like to think otherwise. you are some of the most pathetic losers i have read, in a long time. that’s why i left the horridd paper to come here. but i guess you all just followed, under different names. oh look, up in the sky, it’s an alien, oops sorry, it was just you fools looking at your own reflections in the clouds. stop fucking pestering people who post here, because you will drive the readers away, just like i am doing.
yep, say what you wish. and do what you want. just don’t start putting my name to other fucking people. if you bothered to read some of the shit, that is written, you would know that this get stuffed has 2 kids, i don’t have any here that young. yes, i read the comments that were made, try it sometime. you might learn something. and as to writing a certain way, big fucking deal. it could be all caps. so in closing, you all can go pound sand, i don’t need you or even want to socialize with any of you ever again. just a bunch of self righteous fucking assholes, is all you are or think you are.
I ate a brownie once.
and wheeliep, i feel sorry for you the most. fucked up as you are, in mind and body. but hey, at least i don’t get pity sex, and no, i don’t buy it either. contrary to what your poor little mind thinks. this bullshit about me paying for anything like that is just too fucking senile, even for you. and no, my teeth are not yellow, i don’t have any. but getting some choppers next week. so blow that out of your ass, shithead.
Sounds personal to me, O.P. and I’m not trying to brush you off with facetiousness. Your relationship to a higher power is deeply personal, filtered through your own background, experience and moral center. The opinions of others should not be able to affect something so profound. At their core, most religions offer a pretty good template for how to live in a society. Just not the sole template, that’s all. If you gain strength and comfort from this – fill your boots, hoss. You will alter more perceptions through your deeds and your example. As with most human institutions, religion tends to turn pear-shaped once people get their mucky little hands on it. So, expect criticism, of both the informed and the emotive nature. Don’t sell us bigots short, either. We may disparage what you believe, but that doesn’t mean we denigrate your right to do so. That’s the kind of place this is.
By the way, did you ever find a decent place to eat, after sundown?
you know what, i just might stay on this site, just to fuck you all up, and be as nasty as fuck to you douchebags. maybe it just smarten you the fuck up, to relax your stupid little twisted minds off your own self importance. as someone once said, you have nothing to fear, but yourselves. and not churchhill, ivan. and from what i gather, he didn’t quite put it the way most think he did. have to check old timey radio broadcasts to see.
yep, you folks sure are looking funny to me, seeing me pop up in other posters nammes. what about the 3 or 4 new ones i see today and yesterday? are they me too. well if they are, then i truly must be this GOD everyone is going on about.
what a bunch of fucking maroons you people are. ooh look out, here comes sucks or george or grampy gary or fucking santa claus. what a hilarious bunch of fucking fools you can be. yep, think i’ll stay around, just to piss you the fuck off.
is daniel abraham your twin? lol he claims to be leaving too every few days
I personally never pick on the mentally handicapped.
Unless of course they come out in public & start spewing their idiotic beliefs & the problems it causes them . Then I feel free to speak my mind as well as laugh at their pathetic antics.
You want to be a mind controlled idiot, good for you . You want to cling to the improbable hope that not only is the god of your religion the ‘actual’ god & your small cult is right and every other cult that’s ever existed before you or exists now or may be started by someother delusional prophet coming in the future is wrong…. & that the billions of people who are no where near as smart as you are & are all infidels, & crack pots for daring to worship a different all powerful, all knowing, invisible god that never interacts with us ! Please you continue to hang on to that glimmer of insanity tightly if that’s what floats your boat.
But as soon as you come out of your clubhouse or asylem or whatever wonderful name(s) you may have made up & start looking for advice …be prepared to get it.
Advice on what a delusional self centered fuck up you are.
As the old saying goes SYMPATHY is in the dictionary between SHIT & SYPHILLIS.
In closing perhaps you may learn something if you listen of read from the many sources of wisdom given to all of us by the Late, Great George Carlin & quote- ” keep thy religion to thyself ! ! !” -unquote
Suckers. We don’t care if you come or go: you’re just an easy target because you just can’t stay away.
Because you care, even though you claim you don’t.
We all knew you’d be back.
You’re back because you want to be, not because you think you’re pulling one over on us.
You’re lying through your tooth if you proclaim otherwise.
Sorry, Bub, that’s just how it is and we all know it.
ahhh, did i ruffle your feathers kitty? too bad, and no, i wasn’t planning on coming back again. just had a few minutes and this fucking laptop opened the wrong page. that’s what i get for buying shit i guess.
you don’t know shit, and never would, even if you were in it up to your neck. i’m sick to death of some of your, holier than thou bullshit speeches that you feel that you have to impart on other posters and bitchers. i think you, and some others should take a long hard look at yourselves. i know who and what i am, and i will change when i croak, only then.
if you and some of the other morons don’t like what i say or write, keep fucking going and don’t bother to reply to anything i say then.you only do yourselves a fatal blow, when you keep trying to pin others with my name. do you really know how fucking stupid and insane you are getting to be/sound/are.?
oooh, the big bad suckster is now jip, or mel or even wheeliep. ain’t that a fucking hoot. you know as well as i, that i am not none of them. because you met some of them. the newer posters must be laughing their holes out, trying to figure if you all are nuts or what. and no, i don’t care. i just decided to come back now, and piss as many off as i can. i will leave the bewby’s alone. just the regular bunch of assholes i will go for. and go ahead, get me banned if you can. i would welcome thatt, then i would not have to read most of the self important shit that you people come out with. hey m.m., are we still buds, i am not including you here. oh, maybe i am mm too, wouldn’t that be a yoke on you fools. the shadow is everywhere, just like this god being is sposed to be. and done get condesending with me. i don’t need your shitty pity or bullshit, from none of you.
let’s get er on meaty old boy.maybe we can fuck up all their heads a little more, shit, maybe that’s me too.
Why just once Zilla? I feel like you’re leaving out parts of the story.
Hey george they hate my guts too. They are a click that love to make fun of people and their dilemmas, and are as narrow minded as a piece of string. They pride themselves in thinking they are smart, intelligent, and cool. They are nothing at all. They are cyber bullies, and spoiled brats with nothing better to do. They were probably over indulged as children, and are the type that thinks the world owes them something. If it does, it’s a swift kick in the ass.
Hay! – We collectively bargained in good faith for that swift kick in the ass. It’s not like we’re demanding something that we haven’t already been given. Also, we want to pick our own schedules.
“Solidarity Forever”
I absosmurfly LOVELOVELOVE that you think you matter enough to anyone here that your oresence or not matters in any way.
You’re laughed at for your constant lies, the alternate accounts, and your saying you’re leaving then not leaving.
It says a lot that you need to mock my disability first. If I was black you would call me a n****r, if I was a jew you’d mock that. You’re a powerless old coot who has to lie about getting laid because no actual woman would fuck you, other that being paid for it.
So if you thought cripplebaiting me would make me mad or sad, sorry Grumpie.
You sad old fuck.
🙂
Wp
Usually, when people on the internet don’t care, they don’t make productions about leaving a forum. They make productions because they want attention.
It’s the fucking internet — who actually gives a shit? I know I don’t! I know wheelie don’t! I know Uncle Ivan don’t! I know Ttfn don’t! I know Biscuit don’t! I know zilla don’t! I know Mel don’t…. Etc,….
But I know who DOES care.
Lollercoaster. C’mon, grampie! Show that ol toothless smile once and a while!
only if you suck my dick kitty, then i would smile. because then i would know are exactly what i think you are. no wheels, they are not cyber bullies, they don’t have enoug brains for that. just a bunch of over stuffed shirted assholes is all.
as to disabilities wheeliep, you are the one here constantly going on about it. about i might add, that no, i don’t and won’t ever pay for nooky. maybe some of you do, but not i.you’re just fucking jealous because i can get laid and you can’t. talk to kitty, maybe she will lower her high and mighty standards for you,or a dog or a pig. i don’t know. you want fucking shit, here it comes. oh, who will i sign in as next. how about STEVEN HARPER IS THE DEVIL. think it’ll give me away.like i said, you just never know, or even think of anyone you people have never met. i could even be your fucking cat, fucking with all your heads. but i don’t need other sign ins, this is good enough. fuck yas, i’m done for today. feel free to wonder who i will be next.
ShittyD is ShittyD. How would you “sign in” as him?
Dumbass.
You’re sore and butthurt because you got busted by posting as the LifeSucks character under the George character’s account, since you forgot to sign out. The tap dancing you’re doing oretending it’s all part of your Master Plan to sign in as whoever you want is funny as balls.
So continue to be the crazy old coot, Gary.
You’re doing a great job! Lols
Wp
And I AM enjoying you going for low blows with me. Speaks volumes about the squirming worm pie that is Gary More’s brain(sic).
Keep up the good work!(and predictable)
I just wanna say i’m leaving !
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, cause I just heard my honey’s car pull in.
Unfortunately for you guy’s …..& in the words of Arnold
“I’ll be baaack ” – unquote
~;p
Nothing wrong with a little piety OP if it works for you. If your faith is strong, what others say shouldn’t diminish your belief system, it should actually strengthen it.
Of course, this is coming from an athiest who strongly believes there is no creator and no after-life but, hey, I’m on your side, in a manner of speaking.
Im goin away fuck you guys . ok im back now to screw with all you’re heads. i am the shadow and the toothless wondere and i can sign in an anybody i want to.hey kitty aint we still friends.fuck you i m going away again.
okay im backk agin.
RSVP
: george peters (07/20, 5:04PM)
Yes, it’s true. My real name is george peters.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
As is mine.
Weetabix!
Wp
my fuck, you are truly insane man. you need to get some kind of help soon. this makes you look like a bigger asshole than you already are. mm, nice one. that should fuck them up a bit more. they are chasing ghosts now, not knowing who the reaol me is. it is to laugh, as bugs bunny says.
and a trollin we will go, hi ho and cheerio, a trollin we will go. see zilla, this is how it’s done. make them think you are someone else, and they get their heads in a knot, trying to figure out who is me, and who isn’t. it’s great fun.
This is way better than sniffing ether in the Nevada desert.
http://imgur.com/L4irn
Oh, that was a de-light!
“Wheetabix”
Now he’s impersonating *me*!
happy Psycho Psaturday, everybody!
Wp
And I am also Geo Peters.
Wp
drinks for all my friends http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo…
How’s the tat, Painey?
Wp
it’s better than i could have imagined, it’s on the outside of my thigh. he captured the eyes so well, looks just like our beloved hound…woof woof roo
I saw this Paingirl and thought of you!
http://data.whicdn.com/images/26303093/tum…
Mel, that kitty is ka-YUTE.
Next Summit, may I see your tattoo, Painey?
Enjoy the beautiful weekend, everyone.
P
but of course, it’s already a wee bit itchy…do not scratch. and just for fun http://imgur.com/3PPqn
My favourite is the husky poster.
Upper photo- Heroic Husky says “I will protect you human, no matter what”
Bottom photo- Scaredy Husky yelling “OMG it’s the vacuum! Run for your lives!”
Makes me laugh every time!
Wp
look, up in the sky. is it a bird, is it a plane, no it’s super squeeliep. faster than a mindless thought, more powerful than a speeding shittruck, able to leap to tall conclusions in a flash/ give it the fuck up will ya.
y6ou think you are so smart, trying to say that i am not this, but i am that. wow, talk about a ridiculous playground atitude. you top me, so i top you thing. is that all you have in the way of a life? shit, if so, i would have bit a bullit long ago.
man, you have got to get over yourself, and take that chip off your fucking shoulder. you stink as wheelip, and as halifax jerkules on the horrid website. yeah, don’t try to deny it. see, i bet you are even mel, you both write like you have ginormous chips on your back. then again, you could be mr. nasty.
puff it out, and put on a good show for the girl dude. it don’t impress them or me, or even anything remotely alive. you wanna be cynical, go for it. but know this, there is a day for everyone, and i tried to help you, find yours.no dude, i am not this get stuffed, but we have a laugh now, that you think i am.
you are too easy to get to, and yeah, i did. deny it as much as you want, but folks here can read. how does it feel to be on the other side of a bitch. you like todis others, well now it’s your turn. i’m truly sorry if your feelings are/were hurt, but hey, you have to eat shit in order to give it out.
too bad some folks just don’t learn how to say uncle. with that in mind, i’m not gonna try to get you going anymore. i don’t want your crying on my mind. so as of now paul, you are off limits to me. there are others i can stab at. some funny little furry ones, or dark shaded ones.
see ya.
so ivan, how’s the weather up there. at 11:50 p.m. here, it is a balmy 85 degrees. the humidity is so bad, you start to sweat 10 seconds after you come out of the water.
i was going to head back today, but decided to stay another week. sand is fantastic here, and the water is really cool blue, even for the gulf. i sold the charger for 22 grand and felt bad after i did. but the guy that got it, restores them and has 6 others, same color and all.so he will have plenty of parts if he needs them. only got one speeding ticket on way down, which is good.
i got a zillion things to do, when i get back, buddy told me that i have 6 new clients wanting security cams set up in their businesses. oh well, life goes on. and on that note, will take off for the night. gotta go find a hooker, hahahaha. plenty of honies here to play with, and not have to pay. there’s this group of college students here, fucking partying every night.
one one found floating off near a rock yesterday, out cold. lucky she didn’t drown. too much booze, and not enough body or brains to hold it. cops charged her with public intoxication, after they brought her around. talk about being pricks. wonder if they would have ticketed her body for loitering, if she would have been dead? well dude, time to go, night, night.
It thinks it matters. So cute!
Wp
JAMES HOLMES: THE CONSISTENT NIHILIST
“Well, my free will chose to be religious.” (Think About It)
The poster raises an interesting question – the place of the religious believer in a largely secular society. He rightly condemns the secularist attack on religious belief although he confounds such belief with moral behaviour. He appears to blame the Halifax bar scene on secularism, but the two concepts are independent. Religion is one thing, morality another.
But what about secularism? Is it a belief system itself or does it simply mean the absence of belief? That raises the question a to whether it is possible to actually have an absence of belief. Can one actually be an outright nihilist? (Latin: “nihil” – “nothing.”)
I don’t believe (!) that one can be an outright nihilist or, if one attempts to be one, it can have disastrous consequences. One must have a belief in something, even if only the tacit or background belief that a mind-independent world exists which possesses meaning of some sort, that one’s assertions have at least a degree of truth-content. In the absence of that minimal belief one descends into “anomie,” a fundamental estrangement between oneself and society. One thinks of the absolutely autonomous man – oddly a commonly held goal for many as a result of an unrestrained philosophy of rampant secularist individualism.
The absolutely autonomous man or what I have called “The Consistent Nihilist” can never simply believe something to be true. Indeed, the word “belief” has no meaning for him. To make sense of the world the Consistent Nihilist must act and his actions must define himself independently of, and in opposition to, the society from which he is estranged. Like Leopold and Loeb in 1920’s New York he might kill just “to see how it feels” or, like James Holmes, he may just “go to the movies.”
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
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Religion is one thing, morality is another
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As a non-religious person, I am sometimes accused of having no morals because I haven’t made the same deity choice as them.
I don’t have any books to quote, but it seems a safe be that morals predate the modern religions by many years, and that these religions were created to codify these moral issues, as well as health issues of the day(pork/shellfish etc).
When challenged with “where does your moral code come from, if not from the Ten Commandments/Bible”, I say I get my code from many places, many if them secular, and by asking “how would this make me feel?”.
Begin tearing me apart, MoMan. 🙂
How are the whippets with the heat?
Wp
religion and morality have nowt to do with each other http://zerobs.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/…
“What I do doesn’t affect anyone except myself”, I’m afraid it does. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. You just judged “Halifax” and everyone not religious to be a bunch of barflies, and religion hating dicks. You certainly judge a persons morality on wether or not they partake in a segment of Halifax’s night life. Let me guess, it’s ok for you to make such distinctions, because your faith makes you better than the rest of us non believing schlubs? That’s the difference between you and I, I judge your unquestioning faith in something that is a scientific impossibility, and you judge my morality, not my belief structure.
RSVPs
: Wheeliep Scree (07/22, 11:31AM)
Is religion just a codification of pre-existing morality or something separate? It depends on how you define “religion.” You seem to reduce religion to morality but is this legitimate? Morality governs inter-personal relations – the Golden Rule and all that – but doctrinal religion is not primarily concerned with inter-personal relations. It conceives itself as an explanation of Being in general and human beings in particular, their origins and final destiny. We’re talking about metaphysics, not ethics. So, at least in philosophical terms, they are separate indeed. Perhaps the “flow,” if there is one, is in the opposite of that which you suppose. Perhaps the flow is not from ethics to metaphysics – religion is just the codification of a pre-existing morality – but rather from metaphysics to ethics – morality is the codification of pre-existing religious belief. But is this a chicken-and-egg question? Let me know what you think. (The whippets do not venture out in the hot weather. Fortunately, our house is air-conditioned.)
: Paingirl (12:52PM)
Your disjunction between morality and religion raises further questions. If morality is a matter of doing right no matter what you are told, then the answer to the question as to how you knew what was right in the first place is obscure. In the same way, if religion is doing what you are told no matter what is right, then the answer to the question as to how you knew what is right persists. Where did the concept of “right” come from or was it self-generating in some sense? Let me know what you think.
: Oprah’s Dirty Minge (1:07PM)
Here we have an unabashed “scientific” rejection of religion. Oprah’s Dirty Minge rejects the views of the bitcher on the grounds that the bitcher’s beliefs rest on a basis which is “a scientific impossibility.” But is the reduction of religion to science legitimate? As with morality and religion, science and religion provide answers to different questions. The one seeks answers at the physical level while the other seeks answers at the metaphysical. The scientific rejection of religion would seem to be no more legitimate than the religious rejection of science. Let me know what you think.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
The weather here has been really nice this week George. Only 1 night that was bad for sleeping. High temps and average humidity. Just got back from the lake. Lots of young hotties. I just wish they’d stop trying to feed me lettuce. “Hay you crazy kids, I’m not a Manatee”
“I have no morals and yet I am a very moral person” – Voltaire
Lest I be accused of intellectual pretensions it must be pointed out that I’ve only heard this quote second hand, uttered by Elizabeth Hurley, shortly before she does the nasty with Sean Bean in “Sharpe’s Enemy” She also shows her bewbs.
S.F.D.A.
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*Safe For Daniel Abraham
Montreal Man, my tolerance for your comments is really waning. It try to pay respect and read what you have to share but it just sounds like, “Blah, blah, blah. I’m Montreal Man and I have all the answers and I know big words. And, oh, I am beyond wise. Yes, yes, look at me and be dazzled by my sophisticated and meaningless drivel.” Having said that, I guess it’s time for me to stop reading your comments.
Adios
ODM, I didn’t hear the OP pass judgment on anyone for making the personal choice to get liquored up, only that he had no interest in joining that kind of party. And, frankly, I don’t blame him or her one bit for avoiding that scene. I believe what the OB was saying is that his choice with respect to abstaining from alcohol doesn’t have a negative on anyone; I happen to agree. In any case, bottom line is, I think you distorted the truth in your comment and perhaps you should apologize for your mistake.
OB, I have no handy tips on where to go at night to hang out and chill but I’m sure you’ll figure it out.
RSVPs
: Lee Ivan Oswald (07/22, 4:39PM
Lee, I would never accuse you of “intellectual pretensions.” Once you edeconsruct the concept Lee, you will understand why.
: Lou (5:06PM)
Lou, I want you to think about why my comment “just sounds like, Blah, blah, blah” to you. Any idea? No, I suppose not.
Lou, you’re right. It’s time for you to stop reading my comments (but not for the reasons you think).
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
No edeconstruction needed, MM. I’ll take your compliment as it stands.
Montrealman
You reduced religion to being in the realm of metaphysics which lacks ontology.
Religion is definitely at least an attempt at some sort of ontology so I don’t see what you mean.
I can’t see how the essence of religion could be outside of an attempt at some sort of ontology.
Also there are normative elements in everything since a simple thought by itself must have a motivation so to put it simply:
What the hell are you talking about man!
PS, is this a surprise to you, I certainly hope so;)
Sounds to me like your talking materialism as if it is completely required for logical positivism when idealism is perfectly compatible with logical positivism.
Oh please
rant
Metaphysics to ethics????
Religion originated from metaphysics and leeched it’s way into ethics. Please start mixing history with philosophy here you might be right about what your saying here Montrealman but clarity would be appreciated.
Your trying to say where the pieces fit and you aren’t even being practical even if you are “right”
4:52 sattire
daniel, you are getting too deep man, that is starting to worry me. you are falling into a hole from which there is no escape. having material things in one’s life can be good, but on the other hand, could also be a curse. take the person who inherits wealth, and never has to want for anything. they can buy almost anything that cash can get. but they can’t buy love or real friendship. sure people might feign friendliness, but most times, just to get close to the money.
then you have the power that money can sometimes bring, and the coruption of your ethics with it. it happens all the time. look at the polititions. and when you mix the two together, then you have a very lonely monster, that is out for their own agenda. now, bring religion into the mix, and you then get a fanatical zealot, who has money and power to turn people and things to their way of thinking. it gets more fucked up the higher it goes. all the way to the top of most churches.but you then have the great thinkers, and their ability to reason that things are bad for us, or them. and you have a clash of ideals, and ideas.
look at the religions of the east, and compare them to the west and others over the world. some are so bizarre, that there is no way, that anything about them can be even considered as real. beings with great magical powers, and able to do miraculous things, no ordinary person can do. then you have this all powerful being, letting iinnocent people die, babies, and such. and wars, oh yes, don’t forget them. but hey, the gods/s love you, but will kill you and send you to a very bad place, if you don’t bow to their wishes. and oh yes too, we have to kill each other, because one religion is way better than the next. the science is that no one religion can ever be right, so the sheep/le just follow the directives of whatever faith they want to get sucked into. anyway, that’s my take on this shit, called religion. if you wanna believe in something, believe in yourself first, then what you wish to afterwards.fuck man, it’s too early for this shit. i only turned this on to see what was up, now i’m sorry i did.goodnight again, back to bed.
By materialism i mean everything is a physical substance (causal relationship of all things physical) not in the sense of money man! I like you you are living. You aren’t like a lot of these tortured people and I mean that I can tell:)
i have always had the rule,” one day at a time”. if you make too many plans, they seem to always fail, and you get left looking like a fool. daniel, do you know the superstore on joe howe drive? i had a chance to buy the garage that used to be where their gas pumps are now. my oldest son kinda fucked that for me. i won’t say how, but it cost me to lose out on buying that business, at the time. the guy that did buy it, i heard he got something like 2 million bucks for it, when superstore bought the property over it.
it was a fully functioning garage, with lifts and everything, i could have had it for 35 grand. don’t get me wrong here, having shit or stuff, is good, builds you a future. but then what becomes of it, with you pass on this mortal plane of existance that we call life.
i am getting shed of some of the material things that i have collected over a great many years. and decided that hey, life is too fucking short. so why not enjoy what part of it that you can,now.
yeah, money helps out when you want to travel, but having too much, is as i said, a curse.look at the 50 million lottery winners, i bet they have all kinds of people constantly bugging them for a hamndout. relatives coming out of the woodwork and all.
don’t think that i’m not as greedy as anyone else, but i know the power of too much cash, can have on you. i saw it with my uncle, who is now dead. he was a nice guym til he started getting all his cash. then on his deathbed, he decides to give it all away. imagine that. and i never saw a fucking penny of it. it went to religion, eery fucking penny. and we are talking a lot of fucking money here. he owned fucking near a third of upper ontario. from kapuskaying on up. he had a 5,000 acre farm, and woodlot, then cattle, and other animals. and a big 14 room farmhouse that he built 35 years ago, to house the hired help. that he paid minimum wages to, even by nova scotia standards. yep, he was a cheap, rich old bastard, that i hope burns in hell, if there is one. but i loved him, when he gave me my first car. which happened to be the first new car, he ever bought, a 1955 ford crown victoria, with fender skirts and all the shit that came with it back in 1954. so, you see what i’m getting at?
Also one can believe in God without being religious. I’m just showing where Montrealman is being philosophically sloppy and yes I have done extremely well in formal education and he is someone who shouldn’t be in the abstract but should be helping people on common ground. Eh Montrealman;)
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Do you really think no ethical thoughts even entered a mind that went into religious motivations?
george
I do know what your getting at and that is a tough thing to internalize but anything is possible just as much now as then. You didn’t know that the property would increase that much and as long as you aren’t too spoiled with anything you want to do your fine, life will stay fresh.
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: Lee Ivan Oswald (07/22, 7:59PM)
You’re ewelcome, Lee.
: Daniel Abraham (07/23, 1:26AM; 1:47AM; 4:44AM; 4:52AM; 7:05AM; 7:41AM; 7:48AM)
Daniel, read george peters at th times posted below.
: george peters (6:27AM; 7:41AM)
george, read Daniel Abraham at the times posted above.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
So what are your thoughts Montrealman?
Mm doesn’t have “thoughts”, he has criticisms. If you’re interested in learning how to answer a question with a quesion, follow his posts. I think he’s afraid to give answers, just in case he contradicts himself.
We, well the ones who live in downtown Halifax, can sleep a whole lot easier now that Dawn Sloane has made it official and she’s running for council again – all this and Pride Week, the Tall Ships – it’s all too much, I might have to wax my eyebrows, any tips Danny?
Slawn Doane running again? The King’s J-School class of 2013 just heaved a big sigh of relief at not having to work to get an interview. The Honourable Councillor for District 12 could find a microphone in the Ogaden.
Arthur
thumbs and spit;)
Gotta love Ms. Sloane. Where emo teens might weep because “There’s just so much beauty in the world”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHxi-HSgNPc
she sees an existential threat to our very being. First council saves us from rampaging wayward cats, now she sets her sights on plastic bags, the eco-caust’s version of Einsatzgruppe D. Go Team Halifax!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=324darD4SRs
The Toothless Philosopher speaks.
Wp
Maybe grampie can use that 20k he just scored (well, probably 5k after the hookers) and get some falsies made.
M***Y:
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O***R:
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B has a new girlfriend! <3
Her “Catwoman” outfit makes Anne Hathaway look like an anorexic poseur. He’ll be the envy of Hal-Con this year >; )
BAHAHAHAHAHAHA I love you guys. <3
I think she was just happy mommy had guests that broke up the blasting of the 1D tunez.
Mommy loves those boys.
#secretshame
And we love you too, Agent 195. In dat heterosexual male friendship manner dat dose ancient Greeks wrote about.
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To equal out all of this love…I want to remind everyone that I hate all of you.
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And we love you too ‘Zilla. In that heterosexual male friendship manner that Yukio Mishima wrote about
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I with foamy all the way
“I hate everything all the time”
It really is funny when people harp about “personal freedoms” and “rights” when most people cleary dont have the first idea of what their rights and freedoms REALLY are. Right to privacy? ha here is the privacy act…http://www.priv.gc.ca/leg_c/legislation/02_07_01_01_e.asp#003.
Charter of rights and freedoms…http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/charter/page-1.html
Now, everyone has their interpretations of what these laws and rights/freedoms entail…but i assure you that OP, what you are harping about isnt based on what are TRULY what a right and freedom is meant by in the law….food for thought.
this thread reminds me of the day after a really good Smoke’s Pountinerrie donair poutine…
when you’re squatting over the loo,
clenching with your ankles so you don’t lift yourself off the ground,
splattering down like a mini brown hurricane in the bowl.
RSVPs
: Daniel Abraham (07/23 8:38AM)
I have many thoughts, Daniel. Did you have any particular thought in mind?
: Stephen Harper (9:00AM)
But “criticisms” ARE “thoughts,” Stephen. Indeed, they are the highest form of thought. When I “answer a question with a question” I am not just being difficult. I am engaging in what is called “conceptual clarification.” Take my reply to Daniel above. I am attempting to get Daniel to (1) clarify his thinking as to what “properly” constitutes a thought and then (2) to specify just which of my thoughts, so clarified, he would like to discuss. You see, Stephen, his question lacked precision, one of the factors which makes the thought contained in the question a “proper” thought. There can be no thought which lacks appropriate precision. In its absence we, quite literally don’t know what we are talking about. You do understand this, I trust.
Now Stephen, to take your assertion to the effect that you “think” that I am afraid to give answers just in case I contradict myself: Does your use of the verb “think” in this context convey a “proper” thought at all or is it simply an instance of your unsubstantiated flatulence? Write back with your thoughts.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
Oooooooo…. another lesson in semantics. I’m sure you noted the “”, MM. I was using the term “thoughts” loosely , apparently your 267894536274955273940 point IQ missed that. I was more referring to your lack of commitment in the answer department, but, apparently I must spell everything out for you like a grade three student with learning dissabilities. You do spin a good yarn though, I’ll even give you an A- for effort, but, definitely a D for content.
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: Stephen Harper (07/23, 5:37PM)
Well Stephen, I did notice the ” ” in your post in reference to the term “thought.” While I didn’t engage it directly at the time it did occur to me that it suggested, in your own words, that you were using the term “loosely.” By “loosely” I take it that you are referring to its metaphorical dimension, one not normally limited to its precise denotative or syntactical usage which I had advanced as a fundamental condition of its meaning. The question remains, as I am sure you will agree, as to just where the metaphorical dimension of the term “tops out” so to speak, and returns us to its “precise” usage.
I find this to be both an intriguing linguistic as well as philosophical question Stephen, your answer to which I await with considerable expectation.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
Geez when did it become bad to be anti-abortion?! Thank fuck you old geezers are only getting older, and most of the people under 20 are really against killing babies. Seen any of the poll numbers?? Abortion will be illegal in 20 years tops because teens and ppl like me in young adulthood hate it, but everyone over 30 talks like its a human right to be able to kill your baby while he or she is still inside you! that pisses me off so much.
so if you’re anti-abortion, the rest of us are pro-abortion and baby killers. carry on
grab a coat hanger and fluch er out.
Watch for abortion to increase in popularity once the current generation of young mothers discover that, unlike Beanie Babies, these little “collectibles” can’t just be put in a cardboard box in the storage locker once the novelty has worn off. They are
Note to Child Services – if little Keeshawn and Rywanda haven’t been seen at school recently, check the storage locker.
@paingirl any way you slice it ..it kills a baby. Its fucking horrible and I have no idea why so many older women (30+) are in favor of it. almost everyone my age and younger that I talk to is against abortions and the surveys say the same thing.
I’m 21 and I’m pro-choice. So are all of my 20-something friends. You’re warped, mind your own minge and stay out of everyone else’s.
I know a girl who has a kid now and has had 4 abortions since. She’s younger than I am. That’s kind of sad. Actually, I know a 30-some woman as well who has had 3 … all for the same guy too. ’tis a bit sad indeed. But, that’s their issue je suppose.
It’s fucking horrible when it’s used as a form of birth control in a society that has ready access to safe forms of contraception and widespread education about the consequences of sexual activity. Here’s something even more horrible. The “state” having the authority or power to condemn a woman to maternity for the supposed “crime” of conception. That’s why I’m pro-choice, yet anti-abortion. The state has many powers over the individual. This should not be one of them. Everyone draws their moral lines in the sand in differing places. Access to abortion is, for me, the lesser of a whole bunch of evils.
Not to mention, Lee, that making abortion illegal won’t stop them from happening. It’ll just happen in far, far less medically appropriate conditions and with more dubious/risky/insane methods.
I agree with Mel. I don’t know where you’re getting your survey information from Lisababe. I’m under 30 and pro-choice. While I definitely don`t like the idea of abortion being used as the only form of birth control for someone, I think that it is an incredibly personal decision for most, and none of your fucking business. You sound like a nasty, judgmental bitch (I guess I`m judging you, but hey). I also can`t find where this turned into an abortion debate until you (Lisababe) brought it up.
I bet this one would’ve preferred an abortion instead of being married to one. It has all the elements, the religion of peace, an overbearing old bag, a hug a thug judge, the religion of peace.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-21…
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to kill your baby
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Young people must be stupid then, to confuse a clump of cells as a “baby”. It would be better if y’all didn’t procreate after all.
(sings) “Young hipsters in looooooove, so bearded and FREEEEEEEE…”
Wp
Mm
Why don’t you go into defining exactly what you mean with your words instead of just waiting for people to have to define their understanding when arguing with you. It’s a cheap shot because you can always change what you mean when you support your argument.
I’m aware of the controversy around the term Metaphysics and how the word evolved after breakthrough ideas in epistemology in the 1800s but the possible non physical nature of actual existence (as implied but not dependent to the area of “metaphysics”) isn’t a requirement in the general term of religion as religions are quite fluid in what is attempted to be exlpained and what these explainations are.
God made earth. But then you have idealist who contend that God collapses reality without actual physical substance based on the morality of the experiencer as contended by Berkley, all you require is reality of concept and experience that is literally God, no substance and definitely requiring morality since that decides the person’s experience (judgement).
Another religion could also contend that only physical things exist and are governed completely by the moral behaviour of the agent as is a system created by God where God never actually created the universe in terms of space itself, and even more difficult, Can create a rock too heavy for the deities own power. Now you have physical substance the configuration of which is dependent on morality (god still has the power to judge and decide fate) and not God, and is in the realm of ontology. Morality works as it’s own system independent of God. It is your seperation of religion requiring morality as well as you sloppy use of the word Metaphysics (as if it incorperates ontology) that I’m pointing out. You might have meant just plain ontology when you said metaphysics but that is a very important distinction to bring up.
You have not dealt sufficiently with my objection Montrealman.
But then again you weren’t so much contending anything as much as stirring debate;)
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Daniel Abraham (07/25, 6:07AM)
“You have not dealt sufficiently with my objections Montrealman.” Daniel Abraham
That is no doubt the case, Daniel. The reason for that is because I have no idea of just what those “objections” might consist and, moreover, I don’t think you do either. However, in the spirit of gentlemanly debate, here’s a few observations:
1. If you’re going to charge me with a “cheap shot,” Daniel, you better be prepared to substantiate it. That means give examples, Daniel. You gave none.
2. There’s no “controversy” surrounding the term “metaphysics,” Daniel. It’s been an integral part of philosophy – indeed it’s presupposed in the activity of actually doing philosophy itself. The only “controversy” is in your head.
I think a dictionary might come in handy here, Daniel.
3. What 18th. century “breakthrough ideas in epistemology” did you have in mind, Daniel? Any chance of being specific?
4. Daniel, what can you possibly mean by “the possible non-physical nature of actual existence (as implied but not dependent to (sic) the area of metaphysics”?
5. Simiilarly, you say that metaphysics “isn’t a requirement in the general term of religions as religions are quite fluid in what is attempted to be explained and what those explainations (sic) are.” Really Daniel, is that so? I think a dictionary might come in handy here Daniel, in this case for the meaning of the term “religion.”
6. George “Berkley” (sic) never contended that “God collapses reality into actual physical substance based on the morality of the experience,” whatever that might possibly mean. A general text on the history of philosophy might come in handy here, Daniel.
7. Daniel, what religion ever maintained that “only physical things exist?” See my recommendation in #5.
8. Daniel, whatever can you possibly mean by “now you have a physical substance the configuration of which is dependent on morality.” Daniel, that statement is completely incoherent. There IS no relationship, of dependency or otherwise, between a physical substance and morality.
9. Daniel, your two following statements are self-contradictory: (a) “Morallty works as its own system” (which, by the way, I previously maintained) and (b) “It’s your separation of religion requiring morality as well as your sloppy use of the word metaphysics (as it incorporatess ontology) that I’m pointing out.” Passing by my “sloppy” usage Daniel, you do see how they are self-contradictory, don’t you?
The dictionary might come in handy again Daniel, this time in the case of “ontology.”
10. Daniel, you write, “You might have meant just plain ontology when you said metaphysics but that is a very important distinction to bring up.” Indeed it is Daniel and one you failed to make. It looks like it’s back to the dictionary again Daniel.
I hope that I have dealt sufficiently with your objections, Daniel.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
Oh my, looks like Daniel has a new admirer 😉
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Tell him about your education with the “brothers” Annie.
THINKING ABOUT ABORTION
: lisababe (07/24, 7:10PM)
“Anyway you slice it, it’s killing a baby… almost everyone of my age and younger that I talk to is against abortion and the survey says the same thing.”
But it isn’t what your friends or the survey says. It’s the REASON(s) you are against abortion. You have got to DEMONSTRATE that it’s killing (i.e., murder) and not just tell us.
: Depeche Mel (7:24PM)
“I’m 21 and I’m pro-choice. So are all my 20-something friends. You’re warped…”
But is the morality of abortion age-specific? Is it then moral for you and your young friends but not if you were older? And why is lisababe’s mind “warped?” Is her pro-life position simply a matter of neurological failure? If that’s the case, how do you know that your pro-choice position is equally the result of your mind being warped?
: Lee Ivan Oswald (7:42PM)
“It’s fucking horrible when its used as a form of birth control in a society that has ready access to safe forms of contraception.”
Does the morality of abortion depend upon ready access to safe forms of contraception? Why does it become immoral if they are available? Why can’t Ruby drop in at the clinic for her annual abortion on her way to work at the strip club? Is there a cap on the numner of abortions a woman might have, after which it becomes immoral? Wha would thatnumber be? Or is abortion not a moral question at all? How would you demonstrate this?
“Here’s something even more horrible. The ‘state’ having authority or power to condemn a woman to maternity for the supposed ‘crime’ of conception.”
But the state doesn’t condemn a woman for the “crime of conception,” only for abortion (where, that is, it is not permitted by the state). Conception and abortion are not the same thing. The state has authority or power over other “crimes” so why not that of abortion? For the “pro-life” people, abortion IS a “crime” and should be treated as such which renders the role of the state irrevant in determining its moral status. The question then comes down to you demonstrating that abortion is NOT a crime.
: Purple Fire (8:01PM)
“While I definitely don’t like the idea of abortion being used as the only form of birth control for someone,I think that it is an incredibly personal decision for someone, and none of your fucking business.”
But on what basis will that “incredibly personal decision” be made? There has to be some reason to support abortion. To say that it is “incredibly personal” is irrelevant unless, that is, all morality is to be reduced to a matter of personal inclination. And just why must it be a “personal” decision at all? Is murder, as pro-lifers maintain abortion is, also a “personal decision?”
Does personal autonomy trump all other factors? If you believe so, can you justify that belief?
: Wheelie Scree (8:45PM)
“Young people can be stupid then, to confuse a clump of cells as (sic) a baby.”
The old “clump of cells” argument for abortion overlooks the fact that not all cells are equal. The woman’s pancreas, for example, is also a clump of cells but it will always remain just that, a clump of cells. The fetus, in contrast, will not always remain a clump of cells but, in the normal course of events (i.e., not being aborted) will evolve into a human being. Is it stupid to make this distinction?
I offer these thoughts not to gain debating points but to explore the interesting question of abortion
a bit further.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
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The old “clump of cells” argument for abortion overlooks the fact that not all cells are equal.
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A baby is not a pancreas, and a lump of cells is not a baby.
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The woman’s pancreas, for example, is also a clump of cells but it will always remain just that, a clump of cells. The fetus, in contrast, will not always remain a clump of cells but, in the normal course of events (i.e., not being aborted) will evolve into a human being.
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Dealing with it as it *is* seems to deal with reality more than daydreaming about what *could be*, does it not? The clump of cells could go on to write a symphony, cure cancer, or grow up to be the next Hitler.
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Is it stupid to make this distinction?
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A fetus isn’t a baby, so I believe it isn’t effective to argue the old pancreas/baby thing.
Thanks for the fun time,
Weetabix!
Wp
Its the damned Pro-lifers outside my proctologist’s clinic that really give me a painful, burning itch. Every Friday they gather to exercise their “democratic right” to harass patients and health care providers with their facile chants of ‘Every Ass-grape a wanted Ass-grape” and their graphic “atrocity’ photos of excised Third Tri-mester Piles. They say “Don’t opt for a hemmorhoidectomy Sir.
That cluster of varicose veins in your rectum could grow up to do something great, like lead the Green Party, write op-ed pieces for the Coast, make contrived documentaries about the evils of Korporate Amerika, be the public face of Scientology, or simply provoke Socratic discussions on an anonymous website.”
Well guess what? It’s my body and you have no right to tell me what I can or cannot do with it and I have every right to choose a safe legal procedure in a hospital rather than sneak around looking for some back-ally butt excavator, so you self righteous prigs can kiss my smooth, unobstructed asshole.
I wonder… if they offer to let you keep the abortion, would they back off?
Can we all agree that a baby is a self-contained living thing?
This would seemingly be parallel to a SIDS victim… which they are perfectly fine with.
I mean, like a baby, you’re taking it home with you and dealing with it AS IS…
if it ‘is’ a baby, and babies are fine on their own (as a self contained living being) and live on their own (as a self contained living being) then how is that different?
it just has majorly reduced responsibility attached.
RSVPs
: Wheelie Scree (07/26, 9:15AM)
“Dealing with it as it *is” seems to deal with reality more than daydreaming about what could be.”
Ah, then the pro-lifers are all “daydreamers,” dreaming about what could be. No chance of explaining that one by any chance?
“A fetus is not a baby.”
Ah, well, there we are then. Debate over. But, of course, the fetus will inevitably become a baby but I guess that doesn’t count. No chance of explaining just why not, by any chance?
:Lee Ivan Oswald (1017AM)
“It’s my body and you have no right to tell me what I can or cannot do with it…”
But that’s the whole question, isn’t it. IS the fetus just “your body” or is it something else? Is it “your body” in the same way as your hemmorhoids are “your body”? Do you expect them to soon become viable, independent hemmorhoids and go on to conduct Socratic debates on social sites?
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
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Ah, then the pro-lifers are all “daydreamers,” dreaming about what could be. No chance of explaining that one by any chance?
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Any chance of explaining where I qualified my comment with the words “all pro-lifers are daydreamers” by any chance.
And who isn’t pro “life”? “Prolife” is a term adopted as a marketing word by a certain group of people. Are the people on the other side “pro death”?
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“A fetus is not a baby.”
Ah, well, there we are then. Debate over.
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You’re a delicate little buttercup, aren’t you? Someone stating an opinion closes the debate.
You must be fun at Sunday dinner!
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But, of course, the fetus will inevitably become a baby but I guess that doesn’t count. No chance of explaining just why not, by any chance?
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You and I will inevitably become corpses. We don’t call ourselves corpses, as we now sit, at this moment in linear time.
No chance of explaining just why not, by any chance?
Weetabix!
Wp
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: Wheeliep Scree (07/26. 9:15AM)
I’ll take your points in order Wheeliep:
1. Sure I can explain what I wrote. Your “daydreamers” reference was to “pro-lifers,” right? I wasn’t trying to distort your message. If that’s not who you meant, here’s your chance to tell us what you did mean.
2. I think you’re having trouble with your contrasts, Wheeliep. In the context of the present topic, it’s not a question of who isn’t “pro-life” being “pro-death” but rather one who is “pro-choice,” i.e., those who are against abortion and those who are for it. I thought that that was pretty obvious but maybe I was wrong.
3. Well buttercup, you made the assertion, not me. That means you have to support it. As a matter of fact, for your information, I am a delight at Sunday dinner. Just a delight.
4. I think you’re having some more trouble with your time contrasts, Wheeliep. Unlike #2 (see above) you rightly claim that one day we will all be corpses, i.e., will be dead. But unlike us, the future for the fetus is not death but life. It will become a baby unless, of course, it is aborted. All we’ll become Wheeliep, is low-grade fertilizer.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
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: Wheeliep Scree (07/26. 9:15AM)
I’ll take your points in order Wheeliep:
1. Sure I can explain what I wrote. Your “daydreamers” reference was to “pro-lifers,” right? I wasn’t trying to distort your message. If that’s not who you meant, here’s your chance to tell us what you did mean.
2. I think you’re having trouble with your contrasts, Wheeliep. In the context of the present topic, it’s not a question of who isn’t “pro-life” being “pro-death” but rather one who is “pro-choice,” i.e., those who are against abortion and those who are for it. I thought that that was pretty obvious but maybe I was wrong.
3. Well buttercup, you made the assertion, not me. That means you have to support it. As a matter of fact, for your information, I am a delight at Sunday dinner. Just a delight.
4. I think you’re having some more trouble with your time contrasts, Wheeliep. Unlike #2 (see above) you rightly claim that one day we will all be corpses, i.e., will be dead. But unlike us, the future for the fetus is not death but life. It will become a baby unless, of course, it is aborted. All we’ll become Wheeliep, is low-grade fertilizer.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
Sorry for the double post but since I always award myself a “Like” that means I got a double “Like.” I’m piling them up!
Peter Unger has an interesting argument where a person morally constitutes a conscious being making the fertilized egg not a person.
As for the “not a person yet” point he contends that having a moral responsibility to ensure that the fertilized egg becomes a person is ridiculous because then one would have a moral responsibility to ensure that every egg in a woman gets fertilized and becomes a person.
I was quite impressed when I read this argument.
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: Daniel Abraham (07/27, 5:53AM)
Daniel, your first sentence is simply incoherent and so I will not bother repeating it.
Your second thought, or at least that of Peter Unger (whoever he is) displays a simple failure of ordinary reasoning since no one is suggesting that “having a moral responsibility to ensure that the fertilized egg becomes a person” entails that one also then have “a moral responsibility to ensure that every egg in a woman gets fertilized and becomes a person.”
Not is there no relation of entailment between the two sentences Daniel, they are not even related at all. In effect, as with your first sentence, your thought declines into incoherence. I do hope that you understand that.
I’m sorry to hear that you were impressed with Peter Unger, Daniel. I have already understood that you are conceptually challenged in matters of philosophical reflection but this indicates a comparable and serious challenge when it comes to everday, general garden-variety reasoning. You must disabuse yourself immediately of Peter Unger.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
Montreal man
a person is a conscious being
a human egg isn’t a conscious being
it is only wrong to kill conscious beings
therefore
it’s not wrong to kill eggs
and if we had a moral responsibility to not kill eggs because of their potential to be conscious beings we would have a moral responsibility to ensure that every egg becomes a conscious being.
is that clear enough for you or am I going to have to go over every fucking premise of each related argument.
All I really meant was that it was interesting view at the situation. If I have to precisely proofread everything I write I mine as well go back to university.
Your a fucking snob who’s motivation isn’t to educate on this site but to serve your self esteem that obviously doesn’t have many opportunities to be served. Take your “opinion” of me and further banter it to yourself.
Oh and to show that I have a bit more of a further UNDERSTANDING of the argument I think that it’s main shortcoming is in it’s reasoning that ensuring that ONE egg becomes a person has nothing directly to do with ensuring that ALL eggs become a person.
Also, I’m pretty sure that when Perter Unger mentioned the original argument he wasn’t himself supporting it but relating aspects in a reductio to absurdum scenario into something else he was arguing. I’m to fucking disinterested now to give a fuck about looking it up.
Maybe you should for once step out of you philosophical cubby hole and take a few chances on talking some environmental views on what we should do as a species. Or how about a political view or two that is layman enough for people here to understand without having to spend 2 hours in front of a dictionary.
That would be a song that everyone could enjoy.
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: Daniel Abraham (07/27, 1:24PM & 1:45PM)
Whatever you say Daniel. Don’t write back.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
Daniel, what you request from Smeagol requires an open mind and a level of comprehension that he just doesn’t possess.
Other have tried to get him to see beyone his limited scope of view, (we) all have failed.
He is ignorant of reality, and is hell bent and determined to stay isolated in his little fictional world of philosophy.
So, don’t let mm get you down, you tried. The failure was his.