It is time to put the history of the Seaport Farmers’ Market in the past. I don’t give a fig who did what. What I do care about is having a daily source for local food and a place where I can shop that is filled with local family businesses. Don’t penalize the vendors at the Seaport Farmers’ Market just because you are ticked at the prior management or even the current management. If you don’t buy from the local family vendors at the Seaport Market regularly, there will be no Halifax Farmers’ Market ( or centralized location for small local, businesses) because the vendors will not be able to pay their rent. I am fairly certain that many of the Coast readers shop at supermarkets more than once a week..and if each person did some of that shopping during the week at the Farmer’s Market, it would make a world of difference to the current daily vendors at the Farmers’ Market and the ability of the Market to attract new vendors during the week. The existing daily vendors work hard to bring good local food to Halifax and they deserve our financial support. If they go and/or the existing vendors on the weekend market don’t make enough to support themselves throughout the week and quit coming, what is the HPA going to do with the space? The HPA mandate with respect to real estate is “to achieve the highest and best use of each piece of property” . An empty Farmers’ Market most days of the week is certainly not the highest and best use. So, all you localvores, quit complaining and put your money where your mouth is. —Put your money where your mouth is
This article appears in Jan 23-29, 2014.


I think we should have a farmers market that is accessible to everyone …. would have been awesome to incorporate this in with the new library or house it in the old library …… but, reality is that it is out of the way for the majority of haligonians to travel to the piers when there are supermarkets more handy. A weekend trip was normally what this was and for many is still what it is.
Do you know what a table on saturday ALONE costs? $85.00 for a basic small space. I can only imagine what the food people pay. Sorry, that is too much.
Making people feel guilty for wanting convenience is dumb.
I’d go down there if there was more parking available. The bus service going down there sucks and lugging shit tons of food from the market to the bus stop is a pain. And lugging bags of food on the bus and transfering three times and waiting for said transfers is a pain.
It’s sad but true: it’s easier to hit up the grocery store.
I’m gonna get blasted for this since I’m probably a little ignorant in the goings-on but…
ah what the hell, I’ve never been one to pull punches.
Don’t restaurant owners have some lags in the day to be able to hit up the market?
Aren’t they the ones you want to see shopping there, buying bulk, locally grown product for our bustling restaurant scene?
Between the breakfast/lunch/supper rushes, they likely have a bit to pop out and hit up the market for restocks.
With hours like this, there’s just no way to make it there on a weekday
Monday – Market closed
Tuesday – Friday – 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. ?????? how about opening it 6-10PM ??????
Saturday – 7 a.m. to 3 p.m.
Sunday – 9 a.m. to 3 p.m.
How many people do you know with a job that REGULARLY shop between 10am-5pm?
A BETTER WAY
I have categorized the difficulties surrounding access to the Farmers’ Market which primarily involves out of the way travel, parking, and lugging food bags from point to point and I have discovered a better way.
Since he doesn’t do a bloody thing anyway, Ivan should be tasked with driving the Farmers’ Market bus on a regular schedule corresponding to the hours the Market is open, assist in lugging the patrons’ food bags from bus to door, and contribute all tips he might acquire to defray the cost of the farmers’ tables. That should keep him off this board.
A pleasure as always.
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I live in the North-end. The Farmer’s Market is in the south-end. I don’t own a car.
It’s only worthwhile going on Saturday when all the vendors are there, otherwise it’s not a daily source for local food.
The “buy local” thing comes with an exorbitant increase in prices, compared to the grocery stores.
Inconvenient. Unsuitable. Expensive. These, coupled with bad decisions and stupid investors, are the reasons you soon won’t have a farmer’s market – NOT because I won’t put my money where my mouth is…
What meaty said ^^ except I *do* have a car and parking’s a nightmare down there.
And just because produce is ‘local,’ doesn’t mean it’s organic and grown without pesticides. Often, the produce is no better than the stuff in the grocery stores, to be honest.
What I WILL say, though, is I DO miss my days living in the Valley when I could go for a drive on Sunday in the summer/fall and get cheap local produce on the side of the road. Farmers will put their produce out with a can for the money and people just pick what they want and drop their money in the can. That was charming, quaint and a great way to get delicious fresh produce really cheaply.
Oh and most of the grocery stores in the Valley buy from local farmers in the summer and fall, FYI, so not ALL grocery stores are anti-local.
Oh Montrealman, you can bluster and cavil all you want, but you’d miss me if I wasn’t here playing Boswell to your Johnson…
OH, STOP SNIGGERING, MEATY!
Anyhow.
More nudies please.
hey! what happened to my comment about the farmers market being snotty and pretentious?
I pass 4 places to buy groceries on my bike ride home. Going to the mostly empty market will add about an hour to my commute, in the wrong direction. Not really something I want to do at the end of the day. Heck, it probably isn’t even open after 6pm M-F, right? How about before 9am, maybe I can scoot down before work? No?
Sorry. Your market idea is a fail.
The actual meat and potato family vendors you’re crying about were at the old market. When this one implodes they can go back to it. Its all of the crap that is being hawked there now (the stuff you can’t eat) that needs the market to succeed. Most of the family farmers were selling their goods long before they got into the Halifax Market game.
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Still don’t know what’s so special about NS dirt that makes food grown here any better than anywhere else. As for free range, non inoculated meat, who the hell could afford it. Average sized turkey in the stores $20-25 for the same sized free range, non inoculated bird it’s between $70-80. And who wants to eat a bird that has been sick. The people who complain about inoculated animals are the first in line to get their kids their vaccinations and flu shots. Who knows what gets into fruits and vegetable that aren’t protected from disease, viruses, etc. and they sure rot quickly, at again 2-3 times the price of normally farmed produce.
A hundred plus years ago people were eating “organic” food and the average life span might have been 50. Now 80 is normal.
As for the evil GMOs, of course their master plan is to make sick or kill off their customers, it makes great business sense and a great way to keep return customers.
We have a local market out here in Slugville and I happily support it, fuck the seaport market and all who sail in her.
“We have a local market out here in Slugville ..”
Would that be Sackville? If so, I now understand the quiet desperation that seems to exhude from the sub-ether of your humour!
Seriously, you’re much too interesting for Sackville. Better get out of there before the trailor park people decide that you’re “too prissy”.
EEEEK PK! That’s just so wrong on so many levels >; )
This poor guy looks so humiliated:
http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000515871…
Buddha, If I was unfortunate enough to live in Sackville, I wouldn’t. It makes Detroit look like Shangri-La.
I agree with the comments re: hours… I try to buy milk, meat and veggies at the market but I can only do that on “temperature-suitable” days. On the off-chance that I can find time during my day to go there, there are issues with storing food until I go home. Veggies I can bring into my office so that’s not much of a problem. Dairy, meat & fish are the difficult ones. I’ll leave milk in my car if it’s not sunny and it’s at refrigeration temp outside. And I’ll leave fish and meat in my car if it’s freezing outside. So, if conditions are “ideal” AND I can get out during the day, then I might go to the market. If any of these variables are thrown off, then no market. I drive to work every day with my milk bottles in my trunk hoping that the conditions will be right on any given day to buy milk and leave it in the car. They’ve been in my trunk for weeks now.
I’m assuming a lot of people are in the same boat – working 9 – 5ish. With the market closing at 5 on most weekdays (closed Mondays), it’s tricky.
I would absolutely shop there if I could do it after work. Otherwise, it’s rarely possible for me.
So, why do I choose not to go on the weekend then? Because I work in the city all week. The LAST thing I want to do once I get home on Friday evening is head back in. Forget that. Never mind the parking difficulties.
I can’t be the only one who is willing to shop there but has practical difficulties in doing so. I think they are their own worst enemy and have set themselves up to fail.
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These various markets seem to show that the idea that more convenient hours may indeed make a difference. Granted we do not have a big population here, but what population there is may not usually find it convenient to shop for ‘market items’ before 5 p.m. during the week, or may not be in town on weekends etc. Also, as others have noted it does not help that the Market here is not located in a more central area in relation to the population base. The current location for many locals is an out of the way trip. Would help if there were more residents on all sides of the market, and that that they would likely be passing by, or near it, on most days so that developing the habit of dropping in to shop would be easy to do. Anyway, here are the hours for a few other generally well ‘known’ markets.
http://www.stlawrencemarket.com/
http://www.marchespublics-mtl.com/en/march…
http://granvilleisland.com/hours
and closer to home
http://www.sjcitymarket.ca/form.html
OB …move out here into the country …then you don’t have to go to a farmers market …YOU CAN GO TO A FARM …there’s meat just up the road at a beef farmers farm, there are 2 places to get farm raised pigs, either by the piece or half or whole hogs …local smoke houses & free range eggs available in 4 places close to me (& a hell of a lot more if you take the time to look) & if you go into Elmsdale the corner store stocks free range local eggs (as well as the factory farm ones) There’s veggie markets around here with locally made jams & jellies, honey from bees that may have buzzed you last summer ….At least 3 different fishermen who sell their fresh fish right outta their trucks … C’mon out , What are you waiting for ?
OH YEAH …I forgot to mention parking SO MUCH PARKING , you & your loved one(s) can all take different vehicles & never have a problem finding parking ~:D
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: Col. Ivan Sonofabitch (01/28, 5:39PM)
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A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
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Ah, my little nest of vipers – such a lively sense of humour she has.
Bro Tim once again you lower the bar with your lack of insight and almost total ignorance. Maybe you should go outside from time to time.
For the record produce is way cheaper at the market, and as for meat, well that is the price you pay for quality.
Have you ever been inside a factory farm building? I have, they are disgusting, putrid places. I don’t want to eat anything that came out of that hell.
There is no such thing as a sweet smelling barn that holds animals.
What scientific facts do you have that the quality of organics is better than produce farmed by other means.
In a blind taste test I doubt you could tell the difference.
Jesus Fuck, Tim? Are you really that stupid? There is no question that organically grown, non GMO foods are infinitely better for you than pesticide/antibiotic ridden, mutated shit from some third world country that takes at least a full week before it shows up “fresh” in our local supermarket. You would have to be a fucking idiot to think any differently. Do I do the “hundred mile diet”? Nope, but, I am not so disillusioned to think that imported/domestic industrial anything is even on the same level as organic, environmentally sustainable, local foods.
You might not be able to TASTE the difference, but your body can tell.
Sadly, there’s no real way to have 100% organic produce anymore… perhaps if you farmed it out over many many seasons through using organic compost, you’d eventually have something free of pesticides, but our world’s food supply has become one big clusterfuck of monsanto-like assfuckery.
Also: just because it’d produced locally, doesn’t mean it’s organic. Many local farmers use pesticides and herbicides.
There’s a Farmer’s Market in Wolfville if things go south at Seaport. You’re welcome, Crispy’s here to help.
Now THERE’S a kick-effing-ASS farmer’s market.
I think what works about that farmer’s market is a) it’s likely cheaper for vendors to set up shop there, b) less travel time to haul their goods there and c) Wolfvegas is such a small town that you can walk there from any where in the town. Plus for those outside of the town, it’s easier to get down there and find places to park.
Seaport Market was created by a bunch of greedy buggers who couldn’t recognize that the brewery market had a good thing going — they just HAD to tinker with it and fuck it all up.
I’ve been there in the middle of the day during the week. It’s usually dead (unless a cruise ship is in, but I don’t see much buying). And the restaurants they have there are so freaking expensive… you’re better off going to the Dill Pickle in the Emera building or PG’s cafe just up the street on Hollis.
Show me independent scientific reports on the nutritional values of organic, normal farmed, and GMO fruits and vegetables and free range and farm factory animals. Again people are living linger now than they did a hundred years ago and it is because of the food. If it were so bad for you, we’d be dropping like flies.
WHO doesn’t seem to have a problem with GMOs. The problem is people heard someone say Frankenfood and their imaginations run away with them and then some crackpots spouting things off and with the advent of the internet, it takes a life of its own.
http://www.who.int/foodsafety/publications…
bro tim, other commenter used the term ‘factory farm building’ not ‘barn’.
and the comparison was not so much the smell, but the inhumane living conditions of the animals that soon become your dinner.
yes, we eat them but why put them through that torture before then?
certain groups in some countries believe that heightened adrenalin enhances the meat’s virility factor, so hang the living animal and beat it with sticks, electric prods etc to create the most pain and fear just before killing.
i think most people ‘over here’ think that the cows or pigs we eat in our ham sandwiches, bacon, cheeseburgers, t bone steaks had a life of wandering around a ranch chewing grass, flicking their tails at flies, looking at passing cars on the road, having a nap in the shade of the old oak tree. then when its bye-bye time, they get a ride in a truck (still just rolling their eyes and looking at the passing scenery thru the slats in the truck) to a big clean building where someone smacks them in the forehead with a stun gun the second their hooves hit the ramp, before they even look around.
if people can even think that much about the process.
you CAN get meat from animals who lived that kind of life and then death, but you have to look for it.
the majority of meat offered to us comes at hideous pain and suffering for the animals that give their lives for us. because we eat so much of it, and want it as cheaply as possible and have no thought as to how that can come about. close our eyes. don’t think. hum loudly.
because i doubt that most people WOULD buy that meat if they saw the process. it doesn’t mean you have to stop eating meat, just think about the process. make a choice to NOT support the mass processing that treats the animals like grain. (no don’t start on hearing grain scream in the thresher, you are just throwing chaff)
if you are a hunter, would you shoot to disable then tie up your deer and start torturing it? no, you go for the quickest most humane kill. otherwise its something entirely different.
we have become oblivious sexual sadists. gobbling up chicken wings, bacon and cheeseburgers in an ecstasy while a million animals lived and died in terror and agony for our fleeting pleasure.
the alternative, if we want to enjoy our food is to support those that provide humanely raised animals, kill them humanely.
spend 170$ on a small freezer and then get a quarter beef from one of the local farms around here that have cows and pigs walking around in the fresh air. the meat comes cut up and wrapped and labeled. you could go in with a friend on the freezer, meat, rent a car for the weekend for 10$ a day, hit the real farm markets. spend the money there instead of one nights drinks in a bar perhaps. or one pair of lululunatic pants.
i think its worth thinking about for a second.
I would link the louis ck bit on duck vaginas right about now …
but that’s a bit of a tricky search.
I also think it’s the pesticides that are making us live longer…
I mean if we’re supposed to have a bit of alcohol (mild poison) to help strengthen our heart
then why not some other mild poisons to build immunities?
That way if you happen to eat a non-organic apple one day you don’t roll over and die.
A show of hands to all who remember the ENN ESS meat processing plant sitting where CERES container pier is now.
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Pretty ‘MK5000″ Kitty (01/29, 11.17PM)
I believe your assessment on why they moved the Farmer’s Market from Hollis St. to Seaport Market at pier 21 is a correct one. The owners saw greater potential by introducing a wider buying audience of cruise ship passengers bringing American dollars to spend. Prices went up accordingly, they lost sight of providing for common N.S. people with good fresh produce at reasonable cost since Halifax now hosts 80+ cruise ships a year. Out here in the boonies where I live, I support the farmer who comes here every spring to late fall. He always provides good produce at very reasonable prices.
no zzed, alcohol strengthens the BRAIN. it kills brain cells right? and following the law of evolution, only the old and weak cells are killed off, letting the young, strong and vigorous survive.
uh huh. however i do believe in NOT disinfecting everything under the sun. esp for kids. they have to be exposed to real life.
plain old soap and water. 5 second rule applies, even with dogs and cats piddle paws walking on the floor. and its fine to drink out of the dogs dish if he lets them. i also believe babies should be fed peanut butter, fish and eggs by one month of age to make sure they don’t develop any allergies.
preservatives, dyes and unpronounceable additives are a no-no though. no pizza-zits, dunkaroos and stretchy friggin fruit. gad. what crap kids have to eat. and juice boxes with mold in them.
have a peanut butter/banana sandwich and a glass of milk for crying out loud.
Molly, it’s not the brain and stroke foundation….
http://www.heartandstroke.com/site/c.ikIQL…
but yes, alcohol does actually shrink the brain.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Healthday/sto…
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Klyde (01/30/2014 at 10:38 AM):
When I worked in the area, I’d go down to the waterfront and the seaport market during my lunch hours to get out for a walk. Most times, there would be two or even three cruise ships docked. The VAST majority of the people traffic was outside the market building, at Pier 21, and elsewhere on the waterfront (Sugah! was usually PACKED!). And what were they doing? Taking pictures!
I’d go into the market and the traffic would be thin, and it was really depressing to see how few vendors were actually operating. I remember the first time I went there (I had never made an attempt to go in before that) and my thought was “this is it?” I had gone down looking for something for lunch. I went into the restaurant/cafe there, took one look at the prices and took a hike.
I will say, though, I do enjoy the people who sell the plants there when you first come in, and I like how one of my local farms from when I lived in the valley have a booth set up there. They have AMAZING apples.
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Pretty ‘ MC5000’ Kitty (01/30, 2.55PM)
Any apple from the valley is AMAZING.
Choosing to move Farmer’s Market to Seaport Market may at that time been a good financial move for the owners to get a broader clientele of buyers, but in the grand scheme of things…. it backfired. The part that is hard to take is vendors are paying exorbitant prices for space with no customers to validate the cost.
I’m at my favorite java hut….I promise I’ll rescue any four legged critters left abandoned and not to run over any bi-peds. If you’re looking for me….call Tim Horton’s, lol.
Ob, good luck. I do think that the seaport market and farmers markets are special, and wish you a long success. However, if you want me to patronize those markets, you will have to find a way to win me away from the places that I currently go. Ethics and ideology helps, but you need to look at ways to attract foot traffic through events and promotions.
I can’t figure out the math behind setting up as a vendor, thereby cutting out the middlemen, and then expecting customers to pay approximately +25% to double what they’d pay at the superstore around the corner for many items.
No thanks.
GDM people care about one thing. Being able to afford to feed their families. Their concern is to be able to buy enough food and prepare it for the kiddies. They will not pay for $10/kg for ground beef when they can get it for $5/kg and the same goes for fruits and vegetables. They are not going to pay double or triple the price.
The GMOs have more nutrition in them and more can be grown to feed more people. Like I said before groups like PETA do a disservice with their BS. People do a disservice to themselves because a small group can spread lies and misinformation and call something Frankenfood. WHO is not concerned and scientific papers are not worried. But then wht confuse people with the facts. And yes I expect a bunch of thumbs downs but I don’t let uninformed people bother me.
blanket statement tim. people care about many things.
*some* people (maybe even a LOT of people) care about cramming quantity into their children, and some people just don’t know that a pureed mush of unidentifiable pink goo, formed and squeezed into a dino-shape may give their children cancer when they are 40.
my MIL believed that lays chips were a vegetable because the label said potatoes.
but some people put a lot of thought into what they should feed their children to give them the best possible chance at good health. it can be done cheaply if you step away from all the processed, packaged, advertised CRAP. if you don’t spend your food money on crap, you can get decent, wholesome food. and people need to learn the basics of food prep. like how to make soup or stew without using a can opener.
And you have scientific fact about about the “pink goo”? If these so-called organic and free range farmers really cared, they wouldn’t be charging 3-4 times for their product, especially when they use no pesticides vaccinations, etc. One would think their costs would be less but they are as greedy as those faceless big corporations. But wait those big corporations are made up of *gasp* ordinary people.