If being ID’ed is a compliment then tonight it was overkill. I mosey my way into a liquor boutique (I’ll call it that) which I frequent all the time, cashiers recognize me but sometimes still ask for my ID to impress the boss yaddy yadda… The little rent a cop whom has no real authority besides calling the police if somebody is disorderly or is underage, asks me for ID, I gladly show my ID and put it back into my pocket… when arriving at the cash with my purchase, I have to re-dig into my pocket for my ID, take it out of my wallet (cause it may be FAKE) they twist it, bend it, give it a good hard stare then resubmit it to the casheir. I asked why rent a cop is IDing people if you at the cash are just going to ID people again….you know age increases with time, Im no Einstein, but im getting no younger, and this is starting to try me. Maybe rent a pig should be at the front door IDing people before they EVEN enter thus nobody would have to be bothered two times…
Anyways, tonight I go in again, people recognize me, rent a cop ID’s me , i said “no” grabbed my purchase and then i was told if i didnt present ID to the rent a pig, i was asked to leave the store….rent a pig doesnt exchange product for cash and isnt responsible for IDing people….they are overstepping their boundaries as a rental/subleted security company/individual, if you want to get the job done right, ID at the door and not in the store, or be asked to leave the premise like me. And i left!
I wasnt disorderly, I didnt cause a scene, but I went to another store and didnt get ID’d until i went to the cash…if you can’t make it the same everywhere, why do it at all?
oh and BTW, Im 30 years old….and I hate Halifax for all its rediculous rules…no chickens, no clothes lines, no this , no that….getting a bit old, thinking of moving to another province because its something more rediculous and so outlandish each and every time a bylaw pops up… my head hurts…and I dont vote. —being ID’d is a compliment?
This article appears in Nov 18-24, 2010.
See ya later. BTW, saying ‘rent a pig’ once would have been enough. Why don’t you call head office and ask for their job description before you go off spouting what they should and shouldn’t be doing, ok?
Boy someone’s got a fucking shitty attitude. The guard DOES have the legal right to ask you for ID as he or she is in the employ of the store. This is called Colour of Right. He or she also has the right if you act like a prima donna douche to PPA (bar) you from not only that NSLC store but ALL of their stores.
Now saying that, NSCC should have an across board policy, which they probably do, but individual managers do things different ways. Your bitch should be with them, not the guard.
Halifax does not have a blanket rule against clothes lines, I have lived in a number of houses with clothes lines, you just live in a shitty neighbourhood with a dumb rule.
I remember watching some bitch lose it on a manager because he wouldn’t let the bitch’s 7 year old daughter carry out the 6 pack she just bought. Obviously, the NSLC have rules against minors walking out the door with 6 packs but this old bat ‘didn’t see a problem with letting her daughter help her, I mean whats the big deal?’.
She just didn’t get it, much like the OP.
Unlike the posters before me, I don’t think anyone has a right to bitch about by-laws, rules etc. if you don’t vote.
IT is the only REAL voice you have.
Who you vote for may not win, but there is more to the political game than just winning.
Nothing makes a political hack happier than to hear most of the eligible voters in their area don’t vote.
All they have to do is convince the few voters who do exercise that right to vote for them ! !
Am I the only one who believes that EVERY ballot should have a spot, at the bottom of the list of candidates that says “None Of The Above” & if that spot gets the most votes, everyone else on the ballot loses & cannot run again.
Next group of candidates please !
I always get ID’d twice as well, but I really have no problem with it…it’s nice that you have the time to go to another NSLC just because you might get asked for ID twice, you should be happy about your amount of free time. Did you ever think that the security person just doesn’t recognize you? I worked as a cashier for a while and I just completely zoned out and didn’t even look at or remember anyone’s faces most of the time, it goes with working boring jobs. Call me crazy but moving to another province so you only get ID’d in a liqour store once, so you can have a clothes line and chickens seems a little over the top to me.
The Gov’t run liquor stores will soon require EVERYONE to be ID’d. I wouldn’t worry about it. As for the rent-a-cop, he has no authority to demand your ID. He is not selling the alcohol.
Hey Mod 5. I got no problem with words like “nigger” and “faggot” being verboten in most contexts here. Maybe it’s time to start extending the same treatment to those mental midgets who use the word “pig” to refer to law enforcement or “rent-a-pig” for security guards. Societal change begins with one mind at a time, Right?
Ivan – I agree with your post.
Thanks Baz – How’s my second favorite Yorkshireman enjoying his retirement. Sorry Mate – Sean narrowly beats you, – ‘e’s dead sexy, ‘e is. Ecky-Thump!
Seb again you’re wrong. The guard has the right to ask and if you don’t show, they can have you leave. The argument about them not selling you the liquour is hilarious. When was the last time a doorman at a bar served you your drinks? Any employee or anyone working on behalf of the owner can ID you.
yeah o.p., a real bummer. up til i hit about 40, i was still asked for i.d. at some places. kinda makes you feel warm and fuzzy all over tho. but seriosly, let the people do their jobs. and yes, they do have enough authority to ask you for i.d. too. rent a cop or not. most are off duty cops doing a second job too, just so you know that little thing. and they can bust your ass just as quick.
Boy you are really a stupid 30. Did you get mommy to type this since you obviously can’t read the 6 foot tall sign I’ve seen at every NSLC in the last few months saying “we will ID everyone who looks 30 or younger”
And when you say the cashiers “know you” maybe they know you as that arrogant, obnoxious douchebag who has a little tantrum everytime he gets ID’d. I’d ID you too just to see you huff and puff and have a little hissy fit. Maybe that’s their amusment for the day.
Please stop buying booze. You’re too much of a baby to handle it. Leave the big boy drinks to the big kids and get Mommy to fill up your sippy cup instead.
Why would a liquor store institute a policy (if it is such) of checking the same person’s ID more than once? Don’t the employees trust each other to do the job right the first time? And why would the rent-a-cop have to recheck the person’s ID after the purchase? It doesn’t make sense to me.
Although I have to say that if I had to stand around in a liquor store for endless hours on guard against the chance that there might be a robbery attempt I’d probably be checking IDs too just to alleviate the boredom.
And I agree Ivan. This website should take steps to ensure that disrespectful language is not tolerated when used in reference to an individual’s skin colour, sexual orientation, age, religion, job status or political belief system.
Did I leave anybody out?
The last time I went to the liquor store I was ID’d and they said they were starting to do it to anyone who looks younger than 30. It’s a new program they’re running. You’re going to have to get used to it. Plus, you should feel lucky, I’m 26 and still get ID’d when I go to buy a lottery ticket. Those security guards have a right to ID you just as much as the liquor store employee – they are paid by the LC to make sure there is no one under age buying liquor. By your logic, a manager who doesn’t exchange cash for product wouldn’t be able to ID you either.
PS – I tell people all the time they should talk to their councilor or MLA if they have a problem with bylaws or legislation or just want their voice to be heard. That is the point of voting. They work for you. You have a beef, you have a right to take it up with them personally, whether you voted for them or someone else. So really, please don’t complain to us because you didn’t vote. You had your chance to bitch to someone who can make a difference.
“The Gov’t run liquor stores will soon require EVERYONE to be ID’d. I wouldn’t worry about it. As for the rent-a-cop, he has no authority to demand your ID. He is not selling the alcohol.”
You, ma’am, are fucking dumb and wrong as usual – as Bro Tim already pointed out. Security is contracted through the NSLC head office and guards, in fact, do have a right to ID people entering the store. They’ve done it for years and its part of the job requirement. If a customer is ID’d twice then so be it; it happens, has happened and will happen again.
If you choose not to let a contracted agent ID you then you have no ‘right’ to continue shopping. They can ask you to leave and are within their boundaries to do so. I’ve seen it done and the store staff will support the guard every time. Simply don’t show them – but don’t expect to be treated like you’re in the right for being a cunt or jerk about it.
And the newest initiative with the NSLC this season is a Check 30 that is basically a re-vamped Check 25 program. If you “appear” to be 30 and under, you’re going to be carded by staff and security. There are little blue flyers available at the cash that discuss the details of the program. Don’t like it then don’t shop; simple enough.
You might think stupid looks good on you but it clashes with your so-called masculinity, honey.
Commandante – it’s not policy; it just happens sometimes. And understand that not every single staff member is paying direct attention to the security guard or every single person who walks in through the door. There’s other things going on. The security guard cannot predict if the NSLC staff will ID a customer so they will ask for ID; the NSLC staff cannot know the details of every person security cards. If you get carded twice get over it; the shit happens. Checking for ID is a subjective thing and these folks are just doing their jobs.
Also, for at least bars, the door personnel will ask you for ID everytime you come in (whether the first or thousandth). They may know you are legal, having seen your ID, but it is not for them. It is due to Liquour Inspectors and police who have the right to enter premises and ask anyone for ID. If you don’t have ID both you and the premises can be fined. So stop being douches.
Well said NGF.
I dont’ mind getting ID’d at all. I’mn 27 years old and if people think I look young I’ll take it as a compliment 🙂
If the worst part of my day is that I have to a plastic card out of my wallet not once but twice…well that is a pretty good day!
Drinks are on me!
I may just be happy because I got ID’s the last two times I went to the liquor store and I’m almost 40 🙂
“HELL YEAH…you can see my ID!”
Bro Tim you make great points re: bars and doorstaff carding everyone whether they’ve entered the establishment only once or a thousand times in one night. It’s to cover their asses and the bar’s ass also. The fact is agents of the liquor act do not owe any explanation to a customer at all. They can have you removed, remove you themselves, card you and refuse you entry for whatever reason they deem fit.
One of my former colleagues at the NSLC once said to a younger guy who didn’t like being carded – because he didn’t have ID: “If you cannot show this establishment the respect you should by carrying valid ID with you upon enterting then you shouldnt and don’t get the privilege to shop here.” And it’s true; buying booze is a privilege and not a right. Too many people think hooch is their birthright and getting drunk is what Jesus would do.
It’s just showing ID. Get over it. If you don’t like being ID’d continually then simply don’t go to liquor stores or bars (regularly). The policies and norms are not going to change because one loud-mouth schnook or some bar star bitch thinks his/her rights are being trampled on.
Hi, PF 😉
The sooner the government spins off the NSLC the better.
This bitch is rEdiculous!
teehee.
Bro Tim & his fan club…We’re not quite at that dictatorship yet in Canada.
If you are obviously of age you don’t have to have an ID in a licensed establishment .
According to my girlfriend…a bartender, if someone who is obviously over 19, they can be served & if a liquor inspector arrives & uses their overinflated sense of importance to ask anyone without an ID to leave, (they can do that by the way) you must leave.
BUT if they try to fine the bar or you or me…
There is no way a fine for say me being there drinking without an ID will be enforced when I prove I am 50+ at the hearing about the alleged offence.
100% dictatorship has not yet been fully incorperated yet, its coming & getting closer all the time.
Also I have been in Halifax where Doormat protectors are sticking their chest out & have yet to be ID’d when I have come through the door. Once when I went across to meet some friends at the Bar where everyone knows your name, a doormat protector said “there’s no way you could get that ugly in anything less than 20 years” when someone else also obviously over 19 was being ID’d/questioned
Which means there is still a tiny bit of common sense left out there , surprising as that may seem to some of you & to me as well !
NGF,
What you are saying makes sense. Back in the early 80s I lived in Denver and worked at a liquor store close to a large university. That was challenging because the drinking age was 21 and most of the students weren’t. I ‘carded’ anybody and everybody and saw some good fake IDs in my time and had more than a few arguments with ‘frat boy’ types whose Friday night party plans evaporated when they couldn’t do any better than slip me an out-of-state driver’s license with a re-laminated photo and a different font for the DOB and a name like ‘Joe Piscopo’ or ‘Bill Murray’. Asking what year they were born was always a simple strategy that caught a surprising number of fakers.
I have no problem with a policy of checking the ID of anybody regardless of appearance and I know that advertised policies that make it clear that anyone under a certain age (30, 40 or whatever) make it easier for staff to ask for ID. It just sounded from the description that the checking was excessive. But then some people are sensitive in this regard.
More: dictatorship? Come on. And ‘obviously of age’; how do you go about ‘proving’ that? It’s no doubt that a 50 year old looks 50 but there are some folks in their teens who look much older and some folks in their 20s who look much younger. It’s called being responsible. If you don’t have ID to get into a bar if staff ask you then you have no ‘right’ or even privilege to enter.
The honus is on customers to prove they’re the legal age and not on bar staff and liquor staff to disprove it. No ID, no service. It’s that simple.
Good tale there, Commandante! I had to chuckle at the Piscipo and Murray remark.
Eh. Liquor is a controlled substance and as such you have to prove age. Doesn’t matter if you’re 14 or 40, no ID when asked, no service.
ok my 2 cents on this crap..
I don’t mind being ID’d but it gets a little excessive when every single time I go into the Quinpool NSLC I have to show my ID to the same security guard (I usually grab a couple tall cans maybe 4 or 5 nights out of the week) and then get up to the cash register and have to show it to the same cashier 90% of the time, who even admits to knowing my face.
If EVERY cashier has to ID EVERY person EVERY time then why have the security guard ID EVERY person EVERY time? Is no one allowed to have any amount of discretion anymore?
And yes, yesterday the security guard was standing right next to the cash and saw me and my friends walk in and get ID’d and then still asked us for it again when we got up to the cash.
I have been asked for my ID three times in one visit on more than one occasion. (security guard, then random employee, then cashier)
17 bitches in one day, that must be a near record 🙂
Seems more than a few people don’t like having to show ID, too bad, just wait till you start traveling internationally. You’l have to show multiple ID’s all the time.
Lol – if getting ID’d is a pain, think “cavity search”.
OK, kiddies, here is a SUREFIRE way to get IDD LESS OFTEN:
STOCK UP!
Fringe benefits include not having to walk, bus, or drive to the NSLC as often, and not running out of booze as often!
“I usually grab a couple tall cans maybe 4 or 5 nights out of the week”…and then complain about getting Idd. …seriously??
ID someone at the door? It’s not a club…
You’re fooling yourself if you think they are going to pay someone to stand at the door and ID people all day long.
You fucking idiot.
“said “no” grabbed my purchase and then i was told if i didnt present ID to the rent a pig, i was asked to leave the store….rent a pig doesnt exchange product for cash and isnt responsible for IDing people….they are overstepping their boundaries as a rental/subleted security company/individual, if you want to get the job done right, ID at the door and not in the store, or be asked to leave the premise like me. And i left!”
Yes, it IS part of the guard’s job to ID people. No, I won’t just stand at the door because then hundreds of dollars of rum go missing every night, so I move around the store. You are a stuckup bitch that thinks its a major inconvenience to show an ID. The cashiers don’t always see me ID someone, and even if they do they are required to ID people. In conclusion, fuck you.
“If EVERY cashier has to ID EVERY person EVERY time then why have the security guard ID EVERY person EVERY time? Is no one allowed to have any amount of discretion anymore? “
I answered the first question in a previous post.
Answer to your second question: your NS ID is actually public property as it’s legally the property of the NS Government and you’re only leasing it until it expires. Your point about discretion is baseless. If they’re working security or staff in the NSLC you’re not entitled to anything except some decent customer service? You want discretion then stay home, lock the door and close the blinds.
I agree OP the rent a boar should just be concerned about people stealing, not harassing the visitors. It’s not illegal to enter the liquor store under age. It not a bar! Let the casher do the Id exercise, if you’re about to buy something.
Sound like a power trip to me. Maybe you were cute and he just wanted to know your name and address.
The policy should be “EVERY cashier has to ID EVERY person EVERY time”, thereby rendering Iding by anyone else pointless.
Until then, though, how about the first person who Ids you gives you a hand stamp?
Also, if security guards are needed to not have hundreds of dollars of rum go missing per night in a single store…damn! Maybe everything should be behind glass, or have those alarm tag things on them. Think: video game section of a department store. OP, thank the army of sticky-handed bastards out there for your inconvenience.
Making the correlation between the liquor store and a bar is simple minded, a restaurant would be closer. Would you want to be id’d at the door of a restaurant just in case you might decide to have a drink with your meal? Then if you decide to have a drink, pull out your id again? It’s a power trip, and should come to an end, there’s no need.
Not all restuarants are licensed for that matter, Balls. What’s beyond simple?
You.
Nice Goin’ Fat –
You didn’t really answer that question at all actually. What I was saying is why not just have the cashier ask for your ID every time (which they have been doing anyway) and let the security guard worry about people stealing instead of focusing on constantly asking for ID every 2 seconds.
Either way like I said it’s not a big deal.. it’s mostly just annoying because its a big fucking charade in the first place.
Troll.
Balls – then your logic was sub-NGF-minded. Maybe kay-minded.
And Neville, I did. It’s not policy for cashiers to do so but it’s good business. The security are there for different reasons; theft, liability, presence, etc. Certainly it’s the job to do so but if security are delegated by the NSAGC and the NSLC to check for ID then they’re within their boundaries to do so. Last time I noticed, the security name tags have ‘NSLC’ written on them next to the guard’s photo.
NObody’s rights are being trampled on here. All it is, is some whiney people who don’t like being asked for ID. And I’ll say it again; it’s a privilege to enter the NSLC or any store really. It’s not a right. If you don’t like it, go to Bishops, Harvest, Premier or one of the breweries. Or simply don’t drink.
“I agree OP the rent a boar should just be concerned about people stealing, not harassing the visitors. It’s not illegal to enter the liquor store under age. It not a bar! Let the casher do the Id exercise, if you’re about to buy something.
Sound like a power trip to me. Maybe you were cute and he just wanted to know your name and address.”
Guards don’t decide what policies or rules to enforce. They are told to ID so that’s what they do. It’s not for fun. It is illegal to enter the liquor store under age, so you are plain wrong on that count. Some stores even have a sticker by the entrance stating that fact. The exception is someone with a parent or legal guardian. If you are 18, you can’t come in with your older brother, your older friend, etc. Don’t tell people what their job is, because you sure as hell have no idea what they are told to do. I don’t go to your job and slap the dick out of your mouth.
no clothes lines – when did this happen?
sodey you’re partially wrong on that. A minor may enter a NSLC store when accompanied by an adult. But this policy is idiotic. Why can a minor accompanied by an adult enter a NSLC store where the product and advertisement is in the open but not allowed to enter a tobacco store where there is no advertisement and the product is hidden? Makes absolutely no sense to me.
“A minor may enter a NSLC store when accompanied by an adult.”
I said that bud…
And ya the tobacco laws are garbage with regards to stores that only sell tobacco. It’s one thing to cover it up in a convenience store where kids are buying candy, but they aren’t supposed to be in the baccy store to begin with. *sigh* liberals