Why don’t we attack the parents of these 200+ idiots who actually went? I spent Saturday night with a parent, and the kid – who decided not to go. Informed/Engaged parent, Smart Kid.
It’s time to start holding the bad parents responsible for this, not the immature, adolescent kids who attend. Who should know better? It’s 10:37 – do you KNOW where your kids are? Obviously not.
—Bumble37
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And you know where your kids are 24/7? Do you have them GPSed or something? And of course kids never lie about where they are going either. LOL.
Some parents suck and dont care, but kids lie. You cant know where your kids are all the time. You can only hope you’ve given them enough tools, and raised them good enough, so they dont do stupid shit. But people make mistakes. No ones perfect. Asshole.
Oh yes, let’s absolve them of all responsibility. That works so well with the YOA.
Welcome to Halifax. Most of the adults are still too busy being kids themselves.
ONLY blame the kids. NOT the adults. (period.)
i think you must have just come down from whatever you were on. the parents took a lot of heat, both here and in the chronically horrid papper.maybe if you didn’t have your head between your,or someone else’s legs, you might have known that little thing.
The promoter of this rave should have their knuckles wrapped for tresspassing and obviously endangering the lives of the patrons. Hopefully the kids learned something from this act of stupidity.
I was just wondering . . .
Since I am not, as you know, hip to this scene . . .
Is it mostly kids (ie under legal age) who go to these events or are they “kids” who are technically, legally adults, ie 19 and older?
I think that makes quite a difference when questions of responsibility are being asked.
Just wondering!
“Attack the parents”? “Lives in danger”
WTF?
Some young people wanted to get together in a creepy dark and cold place and have a few drinks, so what? You think this is a NEW phenomenon?
If they “get together” at the mall, you cry…if they hang out on the streets, you whine…why not be happy that they went to a ce-ment bunker where nothing could be easily damaged?
The cops show up and make a big stink about it and suddenly it’s this big criminal offence? lmao.
Young folks have been convening together for drinks, a smoke and music for hundreds of years…and it won’t stop no matter how old and lonely YOU LOT get…
Furthermore, reaching “old” doesn’t mean it stops becoming fun to get together for music and dope, lol….those of us that live in rural areas, near the beach etc,…STILL gather round….it’s just that now, we OWN the land, and the cops are trespassing, and invited to leave…
Frosty, it wasn’t a couple kids “getting together for a few drinks in a dark and cold place”, it was several dozen underage, under-dressed kids doing drugs in a carbon monoxide-filled bunker in the middle of nowhere on one of the coldest nights of the year. Considering there was already one unconscious kid in need of medical attention when the cops showed up, and the rest of the inebriated and hypothermia-prone party-goers intended to stay there all night, I think it’s fair to say it was potentially dangerous situation.
I think the issue is compounded by the fact that Red Bull was the “corporate sponsor” for this event, were they not?
Doesn’t having sponsorship turn it into something different than just kids getting together to hang out?
To me this implies that at least a few supposed “grown-ups” were involved in setting the situation up.
I still cannot wrap my head around why the Dj’s, who are well above legal age, went along with this sham.
“”I think it’s fair to say it was potentially dangerous situation.”‘
Nonsense. Stuff, and nonsense….no-one said “a couple kids” meOw, obviously there was a crowd. The space was not carbon-monoxide filled, that sounds like RCMP bullshit to me. The generator was OUTSIDE, although it’s possible that a small concentration of smelly fumes may have drifted in.
There WAS one teen that was passed out….where is you prrof it was CO poisoning and not, well, a passed out teen?
And you say to “do drugs” like it’s a diry word. What ‘drugs”? A bit of harmless pot, or even more harmless MDMA?
At least at gatherings like this, young people can (and do) look out for each other….what do you prefer…drinking alchohol hidden away in a basement?
This whole ‘scandal’ reeks of the RCMP trying to make a storm on a tea-cup!
A “carbon monoxide filled bunker”, “in need of medical attention” yeah right. In need to sleep it off maybe.
Hypothermia? Hang on…I thought you said here were dozens of people packed into an enclosed bunker?
Hypothermia my ass…
With the advent of cellphones, I think a lot of parents feel that as long as their kid has their phone and they can get a hold of them they’re being a good parent.
Because kids never lie and would never tell them they were somewhere when they were really somewhere else *eyeroll*
I don’t know about you but my kids cell is going to have a gps option or they’re not getting one at all…. and the question of when is of another concern but not one for this bitch.
I think this was a risky play.. still awaiting more fallout.
The parents are probably too stoned to know they even have kids.
And Seb’s post was as full of thought and intelligence as it was relevent. Welcome to the party…..
Frosty, if you have pegged me as someone who is uptight, uninformed, and inexperienced with youthful rebellion and recreational drug use, you are way off base. I’ve spent considerable time researching and experimenting with mind-altering drugs, dodging small-minded cops, and thumbing my nose at the establishment. I spent my teen years attending ‘underground’ raves organized by pals, and in later years I’ve attended some of the biggest outdoor parties in Canada (and have volunteered a few times in the ‘bad trip’ tent).
“A bit of harmless pot..?” No Frosty, I don’t refer to smoking pot as “doing drugs”. If 100 or so kids were sitting in a bunker just smoking pot, I probably wouldn’t be concerned.
“..or even more harmless MDMA?” In all my years, I have yet to meet a 16 year old that can get their hands on pure MDMA. It’s far more likely they were doing pressed Ecstasy pills, which can contain any number of narcotics, pharmaceuticals or unknown additives, and are far from harmless. Other drugs likely available at the party were ketamine, PCP, cocaine, meth, LSD, mushrooms, etc, none of which are certifiably harmless either, and especially not when taken in combination by an inexperienced user in a questionable environment.
Even if all the kids were just doing relatively clean E pills and dancing, they would be prone to dehydration and/or overheating. I doubt there was a canteen selling water in the bunker, and if a sweaty kid took a walk outside to cool down, they could get hypothermia in very short time.
From all reports I’ve heard, including reading accounts of attendees on the Facebook page, the generator was inside, sitting in the bunker’s only window, and the smell of fumes was quite noticeable in the enclosed space.
I never insinuated that the passed out girl had been overcome by CO2, although that is a possibility. However, at the parties I go to, because we’re in an environment where people are doing drugs and we want to keep everybody safe and alive, when someone is passed out we like to make sure they’re okay and that often involves getting a paramedic’s opinion. Even relatively ‘safe’ drugs can have negative effects, especially if someone has never done it before, did too much, has a pre-existing medical condition, etc.
I’ve seen plenty of people OD or freak out on drugs at parties before and it’s not pretty, but because of responsible organizers and partygoers who were quick to take action, I’ve luckily never seen any of them die, and that’s kind of my point. This party was a recipe for disaster. I’m really glad the cops shut it down, and I hope it doesn’t take a dead kid for the organizers to smarten the fuck up.
Pure MDMA has been received by hands younger than 16 me0w, believe that. But blame the parents?! HAAH! ‘Cause no one has ever lied to their parents about where they are or snuck out. It’s that kind of thinking that makes these kids think they can do things like this and it’s okay. Have you seen the Facebook group?! It’s fucking ridiculous, the things these kids are saying! They seem to think if you weren’t there, then you have no business saying anything about it. Coincidence that the people who didn’t go are the ones calling the people that did go stupid? Nope! They claim they didn’t know it was illegal. Even if I believed that (because who goes to a legal event, that has a ‘mystery’ location after being canceled at two other venues?), they knew it was illegal when they did get there, but I only know of ONE person who left when he LEARNED it was illegal. Most clearly stayed, so the not knowing it was illegal thing goes out the fucking window.
More importantly, they set back the scene. I know when I was 14-16, I was a massive idiot. But I wasn’t stupid enough to go to these “all-age” raves. Anyone with an 8th brain function can figure out that an all-age rave is going to get shut down because its full of idiots who think just being there and drinking and doing hard drugs gives them some sort of credibility. The attitudes of 90% of the kids are GROSS. They have no clue what could have happened and just make themselves look like stereotypical, idiot kids. I guess I would be considered a kid myself being 19, but I have never acted like these kids at any age! This is why people are so quick to say “stupid kids” and why the rave scene has such a bad rep. I understand why it has a bad reputation, but it doesn’t need these “all-ages” things to make it worse.
Simple fix: don’t hold all-age raves. I hear these kids have ‘house raves’ or whatever, let them keep doing that so they can die off quicker.
“Pure MDMA has been received by hands younger than 16 me0w, believe that.”
While I’m sure it does happen, melectric, I’d be willing to wager it’s pretty rare, and even then, I’d question the supposed purity. Just because it’s in powder form, doesn’t mean it hasn’t been cut. Not to mention, pure MDMA is considerably pricier than Ecstasy, making it less attainable/desirable for your average dumbass party kid.
Dehydrated? Sweaty kids getting hypothermia? (There’s that darned windchill again!)
No bottled water being sold at a canteen? Exhaust fumes could se smelled?
I think you’re grasping at straws here.
You WANT it to have been “deadly”, because you don’t LIKE that they did it, and you’re twisting yourself into a pretzel here to make it so, lol…
Statistically these kids are in more danger from driving home from the IMAX and I think you know it…
Frosty, you’re the one twisting yourself around trying to play devil’s advocate here. I know you like to think of yourself a real rebellious sort of dude, and that’s fine, but as a reasonably intelligent adult trying to pretend that drugs are harmless and people on them are always completely in control and rational and not at all prone to dehydration or the elements, you come across as incredibly naive.
You keep attempting to paint me as some finger-wagging prude, but the fact of the matter is, I’ve been to the parties, I’ve done the drugs, and my body and brain cells are still intact to tell the tale. A great party in the middle of the woods can turn into a bad trip in a hurry when somebody’s eyes start rolling back in their head from too many pills, or even just if somebody trips on the trail and breaks a bone. To think that such an occurrence is a statistical anomaly(it isn’t), and that safety precautions are unnecessary for a party of 100+ drugged up folks, is ridiculously idealistic and just plain stupid.