So I’m sitting there watching TV, and this commercial for some stupid IT college comes on. A black guy walks up to a black woman and asks her out at the bus stop, she says “and what are we going to do, ride the bus together?”, he looks all rejected and says, “man, I got to get it together”. Then in the next scene, he rolls up in a convertible (seemingly after graduation from said college), and she hops in. WTF??? What kind of advertising campaign uses that kind of racist, materialistic shit to sell an education? Are they implying the only way to reach the “black” majority is to say “if you go to this college, graduate, and get a career you can pick up randoms”? Maybe I’m way off base, what do you guys think? —Consider Me Baffled
This article appears in Feb 23-29, 2012.


Would it still be ‘racism’ if an Asian, Caucasian, or First Nations couple been depicted in the ad? How about if it were a mixed race couple? What’s your point OB?
EVERYONE NEEDS TRAINING, OK?
Frigsakes.
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Materialistic, yes. Racist, no. Going to college is a pretty good way to obtain those goals, no matter what color skin you have. Except those fucking Italians.
Well, I’m all about deconstruction and semiotics, but the commercial disturbs me in a different way—once the guy makes his pile, he’s too good for public transportation? His degree is the equivalent of the states’ ‘carbon credits’ and now he can consume more natural resources AND get the girl?
OB, back in the day when it was safe to hitchhike (for guys, anyway) it was the practice of some to yell out their window “get a horse!” as they drove by…friend of mine used to yell “get a girlfriend!” b/c that’s how he got around… Some film students ought to do parodies /memes of this one…
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, OP.
Ad campaigns nowadays are expected to display multiculturalism. You can’t just have a bunch of honkies in a group, you need men, women, young, old and ethnic faces in every image, you’re going to use especially for secondary education institutes that try to recruit from an international audience and that’s what you’re seeing in this ad, as dumb as that might sound, ads pander to the demands of the public.
This has nothing to do with racism, well I guess it kind of does but not the way you’re trying to make it sound, apparently you’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t.
It’s all about marketing and communication theory.
The demographics of the students are probably mimicked in the advertising. This could simply be because there’s a high number of people in this area of a certain race, ethnicity, socio-economic background, etc….
We don’t really see that here in Halifax, because we’re not overly multicultural in comparison to other areas in the world. Halifax is mainly comprised of white people. Yes we have a lot of Arabs and Asian people in certain areas, but overall, it’s a primarily white city.
I mean, if SMU put all Chinese people in their ads that are going to international markets, people may think it’s racist, but a LARGE portion of students at SMU are Chinese (some Japanese and Korean, but it’s primarily Chinese)… I’d even say 90% of international students at SMU are Chinese, so it would be smart for SMU to advertise in China with Chinese people in the ads.
It’s all about selling something, and these colleges are for-profit organizations trying to attract as many people they can so they can make as much money as they can.
Isn’t this ad a little sexist? Shouldn’t the chick be pulling up next to his convertible in her own hot car? That she got with her own education?
it’s just an ad reinforcing that money buys happiness is all…
really tame compared to the other shit on tv…
like wanting to be famous for being famous…
or being able to warble with an auto-tune box and live the pimpin’ life.
I do not think this is racist OP.
Oceanchick… I’d like to see her pull up on her Ducati and destroy him in a flat 1 mile.
I’m willing to bet this ad airs on FOX – Rochester, frequently during the prime “Judge Judy” timeslot.
Res ipsa loquiter.
lolz, Ivan, before I met you your avatar was the only picture I had of you in my head.
It still makes me chuckle.
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*harmonizes* Celino and Barnessss!
Don’t I just wish that was me. I’m sure there are pictures of me from uni where I’m rawking a weedy little pimpstache. But those are sealed until 2079.
Yessiree zZz, two wheels beats four hands down!
Close, Colonel. I think the one OP’s talking about is on Peachtree TV. From Atlanta, Georgia.
Pretty Kitty’s on the money. The people that put that ad on know their market. The college owners may even be part of the same the same demographic they’re trying to attract.
It’s the same reason the Price is Right has an awful lot of ads with white people in special chairs that slide up and down the stairs.
Thanks BC.
LOLz @ Celino & Barnes.
actually o.p., it’s really called,”sucker marketing”. being that only some poor sap would actually believe that they could go to this place, or do it online, in a matter of a few months, and arrive at this played out scenario.
only a sucker would bite on this bait, and as old p. t. barnum once said,”there’s a sucker born every minute”. and watching this shit, would make you believe the world is full of them, by now. take the hard,long way people, that’s the only one that pays off.
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I don’t know OB, I would say materialistic for sure, and maybe some racial undertones. I’ve seen this commercial a couple times and lol’d at it, I think it’s just bad advertising. My main question is why she won’t back it up on him because he takes the bus, she does, which leads me in a sexist direction. The bus is good enough for her, but she wants a her “man” to pick up the tab for the car. How cute. I think the racial undertone is that they have to dumb down the message that education is important in order to reach a certain demographic. I don’t know if I were black if I would be insulted by this, but I would certainly discredit the institution for their lack of innovation in their advertising campaign.
There are other commercials that are ethnically diverse for the same field of study that promote the importance of education, without the strange pop culture (for lack of a better word) spin.
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EDUCATION vs TRAINING
I’m suprised that the poster is suprised at the mixure of racism (“targeted marketing”), sexism (the girl rides the bus), materialism (the car is the marker of success) and, of course, the perversion of the meaning of education itself.
“Education” at IT “universities” (which are scams to begin with) like Walden, Phoenix and the rest are aimed at the low-end of the demographic with their message. Their message is that training and education are the same thing. But not so. You “train” for your job but you become “educated” for your mind.
I remember seeing an ad for one of these phony universities at the back of Harper’s Magazine. I forget the name of the place, something like Southern Los Angeles University and, by coincidence, I noted that a “professor” in the continuing education faculty at McGill was a “Ph.D. graduate” of, um, Southern Los Angeles University. I was studying for my Ph.D. at the time and resented this character. I wrote to the head of the faculty and said if he wanted proof he could find the advertisement for Southern Los Angeles University in Harper’s next to the ad for the “Penis Posters.” True story. The guy was fired. Good.
I’m not sure if Walden, Phoenix, and the rest fall into that category, but they’re close. They’re diploma mills with tens of thousands in the student body. They’re in it for one thing: money. Make no mistake.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
how the hell does it have anything to do with being black? YOU just made it about race. Maybe in the beginning it was just some cute couple. It’s not like he “got” a different race of girl after being educated….
Ha-Ha-Ha PK. Around our place it’s always “HURT IN A CAR – GO FUCK YOURSELF!”
I have seen that commercial and don’t really think it’s racist at all, it’s just stupid. I’m watching Fox Rochester right now, home of other lovely commercials… Judge Judy is on soon and she kicks fucking ass. She basically gets to ridicule and yell at the biggest SETs on the planet. It’s so calming and soothing for me. There was one on the other day about this woman who had 9 kids and was on disability because of a heart condition and Judge Judy was like “You should probably stop having kids if your heart condition is so bad that you can’t work.” It’s like the things you wish you could say to morons but don’t!!!
Gosh, the commercials on this station are all just GOLD. I love the one for Western Sky loans .. “Yes this money is expensive, but it’s better than a payday loan” but it actually isn’t!! Hahaaa. They operate on a native reserve so they’re not bound by US interest/loan laws or something..
OB, sounds like its just a hell of a lot easier to pick up a chick with a car, then a bus ticket !
Oceanchick as a long time rider 2 wheels SUCK in a snow storm…just speaking from experience.
It’s called marketing. Just like those douchebags that think if they hose themselves down with AXE, they’ll get the girls. You need an axe to cut through that shit.
Fox Rochester… always classy
at least people in Rochester HAVE buses…
Good call Ella haha… but in Rochester they also have right to work laws… so Unions can’t bully employees into striking over whatever the panic du jour is
I thought it was now “peachtree” out of Atlanta.
HAHAHA Ivan, my dad says he has “yo’ fault” insurance — if we get into an accident it’s “yo’ fault.”
Guys, today is going to be a bee-you-tea-full day!
EDUCATION vs TRAINING (II)
Just for the record – is anyone keeping the record? – I just didn’t write to the Head of the Faculty of Continuing Education at McGill about the guy with the phony Ph.D., I actually cut out the page and enclosed it with my letter! That’s right, enclosed it with my letter! That’s so the Head wouldn’t have to go looking for a current copy of Harper’s but could see, right there in front of him, the ad for Southern Los Angeles University (or whatever it was) and the ad for the “Penis Posters.” I even think I might have connected the two ads with a line, but I’m not sure.
Maybe I should have kept the Penis Poster ad, sent away for a Penis Poster, and posted it on my … no wait.
Anyway, just for the record, full disclosure is required at all times.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
WOW Furious styles…you are a dick!
“Materialistic, yes. Racist, no. Going to college is a pretty good way to obtain those goals, no matter what color skin you have. Except those fucking Italians.”
er i-man.. i think it was a joke.
“Oh…a joke! Haha, I get jokes!” Homer Simpson
I-man = Italian man maybe?
Actually, I am Italian so I can say want I want about us WOPs. You are just a biter who stole Jesus’ shtick. He did it first and he did it better. If you are too fucking stupid to get an obvious joke, then go fuck yourself and your high school gossip power moves.
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Do you still like me, zilla?
EDUCATION vs TRAINING (III)
It’s all coming back to me now, the reason for sending the Head of the Faculty of Continuing Education at McGill that Penis Poster from Harper’s over the guy with the phony Ph.D. from the University of South Los Angeles (or whatever it was). Yes, it’s all coming back now…
The reason I sent it wasn’t just spite but rather because I had recently received my Ph.D. and had applied for a position on the Faculty of Education for each university that had a Department of Philosophy of Education right across Canada. There must have been about a dozen! However, it appears that I had graduated at a bad time for jobs in Faculties of Education generally or Departments of Philosophy of Education in particular.
The guy with the phony Ph.D. from the University of South Los Angeles (or whatever it was) appeared in an issue of the McGill University Alumni News – I receive alumni news magazines from four universities – Saint Mary’s, Dalhousie, McGill and Ottawa – at just about the time I had received all those rejections (budget cutbacks, etc.) and there was this wanker, larking on about his position as an academic of considerable note in the field of Education. A rising star, you might say.
I said to myself: “I’m going to get that wanker,” and I did.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
That’s unfortunate Zilla, I was totally prepared to marry you and have your babies
Well if it makes you feel any better, Zilla. Go fuck yourself.
Good one Mel
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As much as I hate to admit, Thomas, I really do miss zilla’s tommy-trolls. Especially in visual form.
I mean, I still less than three ya, but… there’s just something about zilla that makes me want to take my panties off.
*sigh*
It’s so conflicting.
you go for assholes, PK, it’s no secret.
You couldn’t get a job, even with a PhDuh? Wasn’t McD’s or A&W hiring?
I suspect the reason that you didn’t get on with a University, was that the people doing the hiring were like me, and checked your references.
“”I’m going to get that wanker,” and I did.” – Spiteful little spacktard, aren’t you. I bet you did it anonymously too.
I could be your asshole, PK.
Much ado ’bout nothin’
That sounded very wrong GV!!
I haven’t seen this commercial but it sounds sexist moreso than racist. The girl is not give any guy with a bus pass the time of day but roll up in a nice car and she’ll drop her panties. So the idea of attending this college is to get women? I think they’re missing half their demographic.
THINKING ABOUT RACISM
“rac-ism, n.: a belief that human races have distinctive make-ups that determine their respective cultures, usually involving the idea that one’s own race is superior and has the right to rule others.” (The American College Dictionary)
Is the TV ad for an IT college racist? On the basis of the definition it is not clear whether it is or not.
To begin with, note the word “usually.” Is it racist to believe that human races have their distinctive make-ups that determine their respective cultures but NOT involving the idea that one’s own race is superior and has the right to rule the others? If it is racist, then it seems that nearly everyone is racist. Generally speaking, it is not unusual – in fact it is quite normal – for people of whatever race to believe that the oriental, black and caucasian races have distinctive make-ups which determine their respective cultures. This is most obvious, it would seem, in the field of in art where such distinctive make-ups are most focused. This, of course, leads to the next question: What is to be understood by “make-ups?”
On the basis of the definition, such “make-ups” are seen to be distinct from cultures since they work to “determne” such cultures. So what does it mean to talk about such “make-ups?” What is left over after the “respective cultures” are bracketed out? Physical characteristics? Does the Dictionary maintain that there exists a cause-effect relationship between such physical characteristics and their respective cultures? But this would then require that the Dictionary demonstrate a cause-effect relationship between such physical characteristics and the respective cultures in which they are found which, of course, is an impossible task. In fact, the Dictionary definition of racism is starting to sound, um, a bit racist.
On the basis of the muddle caused by the Dictionary definition it is difficult to tell whether or not the story in the bitch reflects racism or not. More information would be required. For example, is the IT college largely or completely black? If so, then the TV ad would not be racist since its target audience would also be black. On the other hand, if the IT college were caucasian then the ad might be racist to the extent that it stereotypes the black characters contained in the ad as superficially materialistic and belonging to the low end of the demographic.
So, “Baffled,” that’s what I think. Hope I wasn’t racist.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
sex or the anticipation of sex sells..end of story…guys with cars get more sex? is this still true….
I think one of the most interesting questions pertaining to racism is if there is such things as degrees of racism or is racism just that, racism, period.
I tend to believe it is the former because I think racism essentially is seeing someone in terms of their race as opposed to as who they are as individuals. So if the makers of this ad were looking for a black couple because of targeted demographics, they were acting from a racist perspective. They weren’t looking for two people but two black people. It doesn’t mean they believe blacks are inferior just that their race was important for the advertisement or visuals. That, obviously, is the low end of the racism scale. The slave trade of the 1500s to 1800s is the high end. Where people of a certain race were considered little more than property generally speaking.
The levels in between are the most interesting. I remember a bitch a months back where this lady was ditching her boyfriend and claimed, in one last slam at his manhood, she was going take up with black men from now on and was finished with whites. Now that reeked of racism to me but others disputed that and considered it a choice or a preference.
Since that “preference” was based on race, that alone was racism to me but, as well, she was excluding whites which is higher up on the racism scale than her “preference”.
In essence race is meaningless, it’s just a genetic predisposition. A group of people are more defined by their culture, behavior affected by traditions and/or familial ties. Cultures can be multi-ethnic.
Unfortunately, racism is inevitable because the ethnic features of somebody are one of the first things one sees. The culture in which we live and how it views ethnicity will determine how deep racism will go or to what level.
Well said troodon.
What’s racist about it. It is about demographics. The African-American population of Georgia and Atlanta is over 30% of the total population. You do not ignore a population that size, anywhere. I wonder how many commercials in Vancouver or Toronto feature Asians? I’m just wondering how the dude got a car before the chick, when she started her progam first. LOL.
WHAT IS RACISM? (II)
“In essence race is meaningless, it’s just a genetic disposition.” (troondon formosus, Feb. 26, 6:24PM)
But the question then arises that if race is a “genetic disposition” then how can it be “meaningless?” In other words, if one is genetically disposed to do X rather than Y, wouldn’t that mean that one’s genes, in some sense,
compel one to do X? Far from being “meaningless,” then, race and presumably its manifestation in racism, must be one of our most powerful guiding characteristics. Is this what Troon means?
According to Troon, racism is more a matter of “degree” than “racism period.” It’s not an all-or-nothing matter. But what does that mean? Is it not the case that one is either a racist or one is not? So how are the “degrees” on the scale of racism to be marked off? Troon gives the example of the IT ad directed at blacks as the “low end” of the racist scale and slavery at the high end. But is this a legitimate comparison in view of the fact that the latter has not existed, at least in America and Britain, for over two hundred years? It would seem not. Perhaps Troon can think of another “low-end” form of current racism.
In view of the fact that race is “meaningless” according to Troon he then goes on, perhaps oddly, to say that it is “inevitable because the ethnic features of somebody are one of the first things one sees.” Is race and racism simultaneously meaningless and inevitable? How does that work? But Troon might be on to something in his reference to his reference to the fact that ethnic features – I assume Troon means racial features – are the first things one sees. Egress from the dilemma may lie with – wait for it! – philosophy, specifically epistemology – which concerns how we think.
The American College Dictionary defines “think” as “to have in the mind as an idea, conception, or the like.” But what is an idea or a conception? According to the Dictionary, an idea or conception – they are equivalent terms – is a “general notion, the predicate of a (possible) judgement.” So, to translate this into Troon’s terms, those racial features which one first sees constitute just that general notion which consists of particulars in one’s past experience relating to that particular racial group. One has, at least initially, expectations of that racial group. That general notion, in other words, constitutes the predicate of a possible judgement, whether favourable or not.
But does that mean we are all racists?
It would if one were to accept Troon’s initial claim that racism is an inevitable genetic disposition. But we are rational animals. We are, hopefully, not swept away by that general notion which might form the predicate of a possible judgement. For we can reflect on that general notion, stand back from it, weigh its justification (if any) and come thereby to see the Other not simply as a mirror-reflection of that general notion, as a “stereotype,” but rather as an individual who possesses qualities which exist independently of his (or her) racial group.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
Very nice Montrealman. Now please, repeat your answer in ebonics.
THINKING ABOUT RACISM (III)
“Very nice Montrealman. Now please, repeat your answer in ebonics.” (Col. Ivan Sonofabitch, March 1, 4:13PM)
Initially I thought Ivan’s comment was, um, mildly humorous since his request seemed to be simply absurd. But then I began to think about it. WHY was the request absurd? Is there something about ebonics which precludes the articulation of philosophical or abstract thought such as I attempted in “Thinking About Racism (II)”? I think there is but, in accordance with accepted philosophical practice, reasons must be advanced to support my position.
My usual first step proved unproductive as “ebonics” was not listed in the dictionary, “The American College Dictionary” at that. This could be because it is a neologism or because it has not yet risen to the level of accepted English. I think it is the latter. But why do I think that?
As with other languages, there are distinct levels of English, both spoken and written. A powerful indicator regarding the status of ebonics, however, is that it is not written, only spoken. That is why it was not in the dictionary. There is no philological denotative reference for ebonics. In other words, ebonics has no literate meaning.
This is not a minor point since it works to exclude the entire body of reflective discourse, i.e., literature, philosophy, science, history and so on. It lacks any structured, reflective dimension. Lacking such a dimension, ebonics is a linguistic primitive. Its function is to simply point at something, whatever that might be. But the one thing it doesn’t point at is thought since ebonics possesses none. It is simply a verbal reaction to the immediate concrete particulars of experience. So that is why Montrealman was unable to satisfy Ivan’s request. It was impossible to satisfy, even in principle, since ebonics lacks any theoretical and structured thought content.
But the next question, however, is whether or not Montrealman’s critique of ebonics itself constitutes an instance of racism. In other words, is a negative assessment of a widespread practice of an identifiable racial group racist or is it simply an impartial and objective account of that practice? Perhaps Ivan would like to tackle that question. What about it? Am I a racist? Please provide reasons for your answer.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
Montremoleman – What’s your problem with writig in ebonics?
You did it before , when you posted “Putting up with men’s shit” and “Ma Curves is KICKIN’!”.
So why can’t you do it now?
Or, was your claim to have written those bitches another lie?
Montrealman….why did you talk in third person in your last post..is someone else doing your replies for you….all I know is anyone capable of that much thought is someone I should be breeding with….lol…..
Making it more local.. rather than ebonics..why dont we talk about the ‘New Road vernacular aka North Preston vernacular..which is a result of generations without education…..that has become acceptable and is spoken today among the youth and anyone trying to have this discussion viewed as a racist?
Pretty sure he bats for the other team, McD.
THINKING ABOUT RACISM (IV)
RSVPs
Col. Ivansonofabitch hasn’t yet gotten around to answering my question as to whether he thinks my critique of ebonics is racist and, of course, why (or why not) he happens to think so. I hope he is thinking deeply about this and will give a reflective and considered response. In the meantime there are a couple of commenters who deserve Montrealman’s attention.
: mcgaidhead, (March 3, 11:02AM)
“Why did you talk in the third person in your last post … is someone else doing your replies for you?”
An interesting question, mcgaidhead, but I can assure you that no one else is doing my replies for me. As for speaking in the third person, I sometimes feel that the depth of the thought content of Montrealman’s posts are such that
a certain respect, even deference, is appropriate even from me, Montrealman’s alter ego. It can be compared to the pope speaking “ex cathedra,” that is, in the third person mode from the Chair of St. Peter. You see, Montrealman resides at a higher level – some would say he is more “evolved” than the common run – and so, when he speaks through me I, quite naturally, slip into the third-person mode. I have been doing it for a long time, mcgaidhead. You must struggle to understand.
To be honest, mcgaidhead, I have never heard of the “New Road” or the “North Preston Vernacular” but I suppose that is because I don’t live in Halifax or its surroundings. (You might want to re-check my pseudonym, mcgaidhead.) It sounds like it might be a local variant of ebonics although, of course, it might be quite distinct. I would be extremely interested in hearing more from you about it. Do you have any examples? Are you a resident of North Preston, mcgaidhead? Do you breakdance?
I’m afraid I did not understand your last question, mcgaidhead, i.e. is “anyone trying to have this discussion viewed as a racist?” Are you referring to the question I saked Col, Ivansonofabitch or does is it restricted to the New Road Vernacular?” What do you think, mcgaidhead? Do you view those trying to have this discussion as racist? Let Montrealman know what you think.
: Xenophilia (2:17PM)
“Pretty sure he bats for the other team, McD.”
But Xeno, I thought by now even you would be cognizant of the ground rules governing any discussion with Montrealman. The principal ground rule is, of course, to provide reasons for your assertions. Sadly, you have given none. You could be right Xeno, but then you could be wrong. We will never know unless you give those reasons. Reflect on your assertion and bring your reasons forward Xeno, together, where possible, with examples. You mustn’t let the readers down.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
Xeno – “Pretty sure he bats for the other team, McD.”
Montremoleman – …”provide reasons for your assertions”
Ummm….how about…
http://www.thecoast.ca/Lovethewaywelove/ar…
THINKING ABOUT RACISM (V)
“lan-guage, n. any set or system of symbols as used in a more or less uniform fashion by a number of people who are thus enabled to communicate intelligibly with each other.” (The American College Dictionary)
The ACD assumes the legitimacy of what might be called a “thin” or minimal definition of language, that is, any system of symbols enabling people to communicate with each other. Under that definition, of course, ebonics would count as a “language.” But does the thin definition capture the full philosophical meaning of language? Is there another, a “thick” definition of language, one not limited to the rudiments of an impersonal communication but, rather, one by which the individual comes into existence? I believe that there is and, moreover, it has an enormous importance on our reflections on ebonics in particular and racism in general.
When language is defined in its “thin” sense the obvious question is, “What is it that is being communicated?” Beyond simple reports of our sensory organs, what is communicated are ideas. But what are ideas? The “thin” account holds that they have some sort of ghostly, pre-linguistic existence in the mind and then, as the occasion requires, they are “uploaded” into language and sent off to the recipient, much as one would send a telegraph.
But the obvious question then becomes, “What would these pre-linguistic ideas look like? What would a “naked idea” look like before it was “clothed” in language?” The answer is equally obvious: “It wouldn’t look like anything at all.” This is because ideas have no independent existence apart from the language in which they are expressed. In other words, ideas are born “clothed” in language. But what, you ask, does this have to do with ebonics?
It has everything to do with ebonic since language, conceived in this “thick” sense, is definitive of who we are. We live in the world of our language. It is constitutive of our identity. In the case of ebonics-speakers, it is constitutive of their identity as well. In other words, ebonic-speakers and non-ebonics-speakers are fundamentally different people.
But I’ve said enough for now. I will return to my initial definition of racism (Feb. 26, 8:58AM) to attempt to explore just how they are “different people” and just what, if any, are the implications for racism.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
Moman, I’m afraid I must plead a nolle prosequi on your request for evidence o why I believe you ‘bat for the other team.’ . To quote Jane Austen (via Mr. Darcy) “I could wish, that you were not to sketch my character at the present moment, as there is reason to fear that the performance would reflect no credit on either.”
The pleasure is yours, as always!
THINKING ABOUT RACISM (VI)
RSVP
:Xenophilia (March 4, 6:09PM)
Ah, as I suspected, Xeno has wriggled out of my request for evidence in support of her claim that I “bat for the other team” by appealing to a quotation from – can you believe it? – Jane Austin! Montrealman, of course, has no difficulty in dismissing the ploy.
For Jane Austin, in the present case at least, was only half right for it is you, Xeno, but not me who is justified in having reason to fear that your sketch of my character at the present moment would reflect no credit. You do understand that, don’t you, Xeno? In any case, Xeno, Montrealman doesn’t read fiction, Jane Austin or otherwise, and he suggests that you might be well advised to follow his lead in this regard.
More importantly, Xeno, you have interrupted my plan to write the final chapter, as promised at the end of my last post (March 4, 9:30AM), to bring my magisterial “Thinking About Racism” to its triumphal conclusion. There are many disappointed readers out there who will not thank you, Xeno.
Give Aesop my best.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
Moman writes: “There are many disappointed readers out there”
OK, that’s a bit of a stretch.
As a philosopher, monsieur, You would have done better to write “a number of people” instead.
One is a number, right?
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One is a number, right?
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The lonliest, apparently.
Wp
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In other words, Ebonics has no literate meaning
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Whatchootalkinabout, Montreemoleman?!
Wp
loling at Wheelie’s spelling “Montreemoleman”.
Xeno, technically “zero” is a number (imo, more likely too).
Two can be as bad as one, Wheelie.
THINKING ABOUT RACISM (VII)
RSVPs
Wouldn’t you know it? Just returned to conclude my masterful account, “Thinking About Racism,” when two more enfeebled commenters pop up. At this rate we’ll never be in possession of the masterpiece. Oh well, who’s first?
: Xenophilia (March 5, 10:09AM)
Not Xenophilia again! What a glutton for punishment! Incoherently, Xeno writes that “as a philosopher” I should not have written “many people” but rather “a number of people.” Of course, even Xeno should realize that there is no logical connection between the two terms of the assertion. You do understand that, don’t you Xeno? (Nod your head slowly to indicate that you do.) It seems to me that an elementary course in logical reasoning might be in order. Would you agree, Xeno?(Nod your head slowly if you do.)
Remember to give my best to Aesop.
: Wheeliep (10:49 & 10:51AM)
Wheeliep had a thought and then, shortly after that, he had another one. Isn’t that interesting. Does it say anything about Wheeliep’s mind? I believe it does. To find out what, read my responses carefully.
In his first comment, Wheeliep yobbers on about there being only one reader of my “Thinking About Racism” – me. But how can that be when, in addition to Xeno who posted previously, Wheeliep himself must have read it in order to make a comment on it. I diagnose problems which go beyond the merely cognitive and extend to the neurological. Swift treatment, possibly including brain surgery, is clearly called for.
In his second comment, Wheeliep takes issue with my claim that ebonics has “no literate meaning.” (“Thinking About Racism (III),” March 3, 8:59AM.) The basis of my claim, of course, was tht the word “ebonics” was not found in the dictionary. My previous sentence made this clear: “There is no philological denotative reference for ebonics. In other words, ebonics has no literate meaning.” It seems that Wheeliep was dumbfounded by the word “literate.” God knows what he made of the phrase “philological denotative reference.”
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
THINKING ABOUT RACISM (VIII): CONCLUSION
Three points may be made in respect to Montrealman’s thinking about racism:
1. Race is a real-world reality. This may seem to be an obvious point but it is not. “Constructivism,” a major branch of current post-modernist philosophy, maintains that, like everything else, race is simply a “social construct” having no such real-world reality. But if everything is just a social construct then the assertion that everything is a social construct must itself be just another social construct. It is, in other words, a self-refuting assertion and can therefore make no special claim on our attention. Constructivism, of course, is the logical conclusion of widespread contemporary relativism.
2. “Soft Racism” is to be distinguished from “Hard Racism” on the grounds that it takes no action to dominate or suppress another race. It is a general attitude or posture. It is to be distinguished from Troon’s (March 1, 3:43PM) “degrees of racism” which are all instances of Hard Racism. Soft Racism is a distinct category of racism and, given its recognition of the real-world reality of distinct races, is much more widespread than Hard Racism, particularly in places like Halifax with its visible minority race.
3. Education, broadly conceived as “enculturation,” will be the only “cure” for racism – if there ever will be such a cure – since, as our analysis of “ebonics” has shown, racism is a cultural artifact that “goes all the way down.” Education, seen as complete enculturation, is the only cure since it is the only way to dissolve racism at its root.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
THINKING ABOUT RACISM: POSTSCRIPT
Well, there you go. Another brilliant intellectual exercise, another philosophical triumph!
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
* sigh* …must I always connect the dots for you, Moman?
I thought saying “a number of” was an old philosopher’s trick (you do consider yourself to be an old philosopher, don’t you moman? Just nod, dear) of interpretation. I have used it myself on occasion, when the actual number was one, but I wanted it to seem like more than one. F’rinstance, one morning on my way into school, I saw someone walking his dog with no visible poop bag. “Hello there!” I projected in my friendliest, yet authoritative tone, “I hope you have a bag for your dog’s feces! We had a fire evacuation drill yesterday, and A NUMBER OF CHILDREN stepped in dog doo!” The man sheepishly promised to clean up after his mutt. Continuing walking, I said to a co worker “one’s a number, right?”
You had written something about ‘many’ people waiting for the next installment of your opus. While you are not without your admirers, I took leave to doubt the quantity that the adjective ‘many’ implied.
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: Xenophilia (March 7, 9:39AM)
“Continuing walking, I said to a co worker ‘One’s a number, right?'”
We’ll, dear, of course I had no intention on playing any “old philosopher’s trick” on you since, using philosophical terminology, I had no “apodictic certainty” (that means “absolutely sure”) as to the number of readers who would be disappointed by your flatulent remarks on my magisterial “Thinking About Racism.” However, I found your claim that number one is a number of considerable philosophical interest.
I hope your co-worker had a smidgen of philosophical background which would have enabled her to reply, “Remember Bishop Butler’s famous assertion, Xeno, ‘A thing is what it is, and is not another thing.'” This, of course, is simply a re-statement of Aristotle’s first Law of Logic, the “Law of Identity” (“X is X”) but it has an interesting application to the number one (or number in general for that matter), for you might want to press the issue and reply to the co-worker: “Since it lacks spatio-temporal extension, how can the number one be called a ‘thing?'”
The co worker would be put back on her heels by this since it would work to undermine any appeal to the “contrast theory of meaning,” that is, an apple is an apple because it isn’t an orange. The force of the theory, of course, depends on both the apple and orange being fruit and this, of course, would rule out her saying, “The number one is number because it isn’t a penis.” While, under certain conditions, the number one might resemnble a penis in shape, they belong to distinct classes of objects and so the appeal to the contrast theory of meaning loses all its force. Your co-worker would then admit defeat and retire.
I am glad to be of assistance here, dear, and confirm your contention that indeed, “One’s a number.” Congratulations on your philosophical acumen.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!