Why the hell are these pro life people trying to outlaw abortion once again??
I get it they see abortion as murder. In an interview they only would allow an abortion if the pregnacy would kill the mother.
They are selfish enough to say even if the child was made by rape or incest it would not be allowed? WTF is wrong with them?
No woman should be forced to carry a baby and give birth.
Before anyone attacks my character I do not think it’s okay to use abortion as birth control. As in having several abortions instead of using the pill, patch, tubal, etc.
A) Now if a woman is raped she should not be forced to carry and give birth to her rapist’s child.
B) If a child is made from incest again don’t allow the child to be born. The poor kid will eventually find out the truth.
C) And finally when there is the one unplanned pregnancy. You know the one where you have tried to prevent it and it still happens.
The conclusion of this is it is the woman’s body and she should have full control of what happens to her body and what she does with it. Yes they do not always make the best choice but she is the one who has to live with it. —Conflicted
This article appears in May 17-23, 2012.
it’s ok to be pro life or pro choice but it is extremely unnecessary that people try to shove it down others throaats… just like religion
What saddens me as a mother is that these fucktard wingnuts would rather sentence a woman to poverty and the child to poverty/neglect/abuse than allow her to choose. Every one of them should be kicked in the fucking crotch with a steel-toed workboot.
This isn’t even a debate to me i view it as murder as much as i view using a condom as murder.
The dirty little secret that anti-abortionists (I eschew the word ‘pro-life’—most of them are pro death penalty, too) don’t want you to know: There is a direct correlation between the legalization of abortion and a reduction in crime. It makes sense–Unloved, unwanted children grow up hating the world and wanting to get back at it for having a shitty life…
…and the bruhaha in the states over birth control! OMFG! If we’d had a single payer system like you guys do, we wouldn’t have this problem!
Seems like a democratic society has a choice, ‘the pay me now or pay me later’ option. Either women are provided with free/low cost birth control/prevention/termination services OR society pays later in the costs of special ed/social net programs/detention centres/prisons.
Yes, this issue pushes my buttons. I’ve just seen too many unwanted children in the public school system. Those baby dolls grow up…
I think Mr Wilcox’s comment may have been misconstrued? I hope.
i think you are correct snubiz. i’ve had anti-choice folks tell me i must be pro abortion…wtf. get away from me with your placards and rosary beads. halfwits
They have every right to express their opinions, no matter how silly and backwards it may seem.
I’m proud to live in a country where people can express their opinions somewhat freely, regardless of how outrageous they seem to the rest of us.. and even more proud to live in a country where these rights will not be taken away, no matter which religious nut bar is in office.
? pro abortion would mean you want to kill all unborn babies.
that’s a little drastic..
you’d have to go around to every gutter with a coat hanger swishing em all out since not EVERY PREGGER IN THE WORLD would be lining up to have them aborted.
I think there should be a law that anti-abortionists should have to be vegans. It’s only fair, right?
Lolz you’ve read Freakonomics, xeno! <3
Also: putting judgements on who should and should not have abortions is no better than pro lifers telling people what to do.
Just some food for thought.
i believe that there is appropriate times for abortion such as a rape victim.
it’s not always the wrong thing to do
Xenophilia, the evidence suggests that the link is causal, not just a strong correlation.
http://www.nber.org/papers/w12150
It’s such a personal choice, but I agree, there should be a choice.
I am a mother of 3, and I have lost four pregnancies.My kids are almost grown. I cannot have any more. And, as much as I would love to adopt an unwanted baby, I think the choice about an unwanted pregnancy should be the mother’s, alone.
There are simply not enough qualified, caring people out there to take ALL the little neglectareenos. And, pregnancy is HELL on your body…what about the very young rape victims? There needs to be choice.
should always be a personal choice.-period-full stop-no other input required-
here is a fine example of someone having a choice to make, not to have it made for them. and yes, i both agree with pro life, and also abortion in certain times.
I can agree with both pro life and pro choice. There are many different cases that abortion is the best choice. Taking away a womans right to choose whats best for her and the unborn child is just not fair.
Canned: The abstract to that paper says “We find that our empirical innovations do not substantially alter earlier results.” That sounds like an affirmation rather than a denial to me.
“UNWANTED”! THINKING ABOUT ABORTION
Predictably the abortion debate, or at least the pro-life position, brought out the free-choice crazies which would have done credit to the Iranian mullahs on Israel’s survival as a country. There were those recommending physical violence on the pro-lifers (TTFN, 05/11, 2:49PM) – “Everyone of those (pro-lifers) should be kicked in the fucking crotch with a steel-toed workboot” (20 “Likes!); similarly, the dogmatic Ayatollahs were not to be out-done (More, 7:34PM, “should always be free choice – period – full stop – no other input required”) and so on. But where were the reasons for such dogmatic rage? Only, it seems, from Xenophilia (3:05PM) who declared, “Unloved, unwanted children grow up hating the world and wanting to get back at it for having a shitty life.”
Well, there we are. Abortion is justified on the grounds that the fetus is unwanted. Xeno never bothered to explain just why it was unwanted – it could be poverty or psychological indifference or anything else you care to mention but it really didn’t matter. Just being unwanted was sufficent.
On the other hand, leaving out cases of incest, rape and life-threatening complications for the mother, the pro-life group claim abortion is simply the intentional, purposive ending of – wait for it – life. It is, of course, not autonomous life, sustainable outside the womb for now, but it is life nonetheless. There’s no getting around it. Life is life. In other words, abortion is not a psychological or economic issue. It is an ethical issue, one which requires grounding in rational reasons, not threats of physical violence, Ayatollah-like dogmatism, or feminist rage.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
P.S. Since this goes against the prevailing politically-correct opinion on this site, I’m just asking for 4 “Likes.” Please be generous.
Abortion is here to stay. That said, I believe a fetus that is wanted should be treated as a person when it comes to crimes and accidents. If a pregnant woman who wants her child is a victim and during the course of events, the fetus is maimed or killed, then the perpetrator should be charged with the applicable charges as if it were a child. If a traffic or another type of accident, then the benefits should be the same as for a child.
I wonder how many pro-lifers donate blood or organs. If someone gets to decide what I do with my insides, I get to do the same to theirs. I call dibs on your kidneys. C’mon you’ll save my life! Bitches.
oh right, so the abortion-crime link is not a consistent one, but there appears to be links to other outcomes (educational achievement, for example).
THE FETUS AS A TURD?: THINKING ABOUT ABORTION (II)
“The conclusion of this is it is the woman’s body and she should have full control of what happens to her body and what she does with it.” Conflicted
This, of course, is the bottom line for the pro-abortionists (sorry, pro-choicers), the fact that it is the woman’s body we’re talking about here and so end of story. But let’s look at the concept of “the woman’s body” a bit more closely.
Well, there’s no argument that her ear, her nose, and her big toe are parts of the woman’s body and she should have full control of what she does with them. The thing is, those parts make up her body from day one to the end. They are permanent. But the fetus is not permanent, it’s transient. It’s around for nine months and then out it pops, a fully developed (although still-dependent) human being. So the concept of a “woman’s body” is not such a simlple, straightforward concept a it might appear.
But in addition to the fetus is there anything else that that has only transient status in the woman’s body. Let me think. Ah, I have it! A turd! True, a turd hangs around only for a day or so but let’s not split hairs. It’s a transient part of the woman’s body and what’s more it is unwanted and unloved. However, as a consequence of not being alive the turd will never become fully-developed. It will never become a fully-developed turd (whatever that might mean). It will never, for example, become an author and write its auto-biography, something along the lines of “My Life as a Turd.” No, the turd is little more than waste matter and the woman, being in full control of her body and what she does with it, is completely at liberty to flush it. And rightly so.
But can she flush the fetus in the same way? Unlike the turd, the fetus is not just another bit of waste matter. It is a separate living entity. So it would seem that other factors must come into play, principal among which is the fundamental respect for life, particularly human life. Such respect, protests to the contrary notwithstanding, trump the woman’s right to do with the fetus a she pleases.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
P.S. I think this post, being both humorous and philosophically profound, should rack up at least 5 “Likes.”
Depeche Mel- that’s an interesting way to get people thinking about organ donation. But I really don’t see calling dibs….probably doesn’t help you get around the compatibility problem ~;)
Everyone should do it, & make sure you let yer loved ones know about your wishes, so they don’t try to stop it because of being surprised by it, while possibly dealing with your unexpected demise !
I signed one years ago, & make sure I redo it when my license renews. My sweetie & I have both spoken about it, & except my Liver may have a big black spot on it, most of the rest of me seems to be ok.
I’d like even one of these idiots to answer this question: So, they think it’s killing a baby, that it’s murder. Thou shalt not kill. However, it’s okay to execute a prisoner…they were once babies. I dare a response. I dare it! Or maybe they are better at killing doctors who perform these procedures instead of having a discussion. These doctors were once babies, too. I haven’t read of any pro-choice people shooting any of them in their homes, and robbing children of a father or mother.
it’s mother’s day so, love ya monkey…this one’s for you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk
I agree…this ain’t the 80’s or the 50’s …give that shit a rest a while… There’s always gonna be certain religious or political cause fanatics that will feel the need to picket an abortion clinic or someone’s funeral even! I think freedom of speech should only go so far, these fuckheads need to be arrested and charged for infringing on another’s personal freedom.
I really wish people would just mind their own business.
If you’re pro life, then don’t have an abortion, if you’re pro choice than have an abortion if you feel you need to have an abortion, or don’t have an abortion because you chose not to (because oh hay, not every pro-choicer is going to go out and have an abortion).
I’m pro choice, which includes the CHOICE to have one or not, i.e: I’d never have an abortion but if someone else feels it necessary than go for it, because oh HAY I’M PRO MINDING YO’ OWN BUSINESS.
FFS. Leave others alone.
Well said, PK–I’ve never read freakonomics, btw…
I think that bint Chantal Daigle muddied the (once clear to me) waters a bit. I also have to add that some of my cousins are adopted, and they are just as much family as the ones who share my DNA. Pro choice is not pro abortion.
But sometimes…it’s the only option. And when someone has to terminate the pregnancy, a safe, inexpensive way has to be made available for them to do so.
Exactly, Xeno. Abortions aren’t going to go away if they’re made illegal, and what you’re going to get are clothes hanger and knitting needle and chlorine bleach douche abortions and back-alley abortions by hacks using dirty instruments charging women more money than they can afford.
At least legalized abortion means safe abortions. And it means less women are injured or die in the process.
There are MANY books out there that detail the experiences of women who went to great lengths to have abortions before the 70s/80s and suffered grave consequences because of it.
Watch the last couple minutes of this and tell me legal abortion is a bad idea: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seQdBHoZ2tM
Diary of a Turd:
Dec. 23. – Today my life began, although my parents do not know it yet. I am the product of two consenting adults, very much in love, doing some last minute Christmas shopping, who decided to stop for lunch in a downtown bistro. My Mommy decided to have a mixed green salad in rasperry vinaigrette followed by pan-seared scallops over cappellini pasta in garlic and olive oil with snow peas and crumbled bacon with a half carafe of Autralian Shiraz. I can already tell that my Mommy cares about me very much because she passed on dessert and spent an hour at the gym doing some low impact pilates. I can only imagine the hopes and aspirations that she has for me and I so look forward to our future together. I can’t wait until I am born. I know that the woman who gave me life will want only the best for me and will share the joy in my life as I grow and flourish. Music and ballet lessons, maybe even a pony. First formal dance, first boyfriend, high school, college, law school, election as N.D.P. MLA. All because this wonderful lady decided to give me life. Even though I am still sharing her body, I have a consciousness and know that I am so very happy.
Dec. 24. – Today my Mommy flushed me……
Doesn’t that just break your heart?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-21…
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(1) rubybluerose (05/13, 4:44PM)
Well Ruby (I won’t call you an “idiot”) I’ll respond to your “dare” but I doubt if you’ll get my point. But anyway, abortion is not killing a “baby” because a fetus, not having been born, is not a baby. Are you still with me? Secondly, abortion is not “murder” because abortion is legal. Got that? Your analogy with executing a prisoner is muddled. First of all capital punishment not “OK” at least in Canada and, secondly, on logical grounds it would be the pro-abortionist (sorry, the free-choicer) who would be more in favour of capital punishment than the pro-lifer since, wait for it, the former is the one who favours giving the fetus the chop. Got that? I knew you would. Have a nice day.
(2) no_fool (6:19PM)
Are you talking to me? Assuming you are, can you tell me where I talked about “picketing an abortion clinic” or “someone’s funeral”? Can you give me the date and time? (I won’t call you a “fuckhead” and what’s more NF, I promise not to picket your funeral.)
(3) Pretty Kitty (7:20PM)
“HAY, I’M PRO MINDING YO’ OWN BUSINESS.”
HAY, ME TOO PK, ME TOO! But you clearly don’t understand the point of my comment which was an examination of the reasons, excluding exceptional circumstances (rape, incest, imminent death of the mother) given in support of abortions. My further point was that, since the fetus is a living human embryo only transiently located in the womb, that HAY, IT’S NOT JUST A MATTER OF YO’ OWN BUSINESS!
(4) Xenophilia (9:32PM)
Well yes, Xeno, that’s true. “Pro-choice” is not strictly about abortion, it’s just an euphemism for it (heh, heh). You say, “But sometimes… it’s the only option.” But when would that be, Xeno? When, excluding those “exceptional circumstances” (see #3 above) would that be? Now don’t tap dance, Xeno, don’t tap dance. Supply that ethical justification now.
(5) Pretty Kitty ((05/14/12:06AM)
Who said anything about making abortion illegal? Can you point to where I made any such claim? To repeat, I was just talking about examining the “justifications” normally given for abortion, i.e., excluding those “exceptional circumstances” (see # 3 & 4 above). You want to have an abortion PK, well, HAY, YOU GO DO WHAT YO HAS TO DO!
(6) Ivan, Master & Commander (8:23AM)
It sure does Ivan, it surely do!
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
P.S. Since this RSVP has involved 5 commenters I’m thinking 5 “Likes.” Am I right?
Brandon that’s the worst excuse i’ve ever heard for not using a condom.
I can’t imagine what you’re crawling with by now. Or are you a virgo?
the condom argument is useless any way you cut it. What you shoot into a condom are ingredients, not people.
Being pro choice, as i am, has nothing to do with the fact that this is not an effective argument against anti-abortion.
I’ve been thinking about this after re reading all the posts.
I believe the prolifers are going about this the wrong way…they should be touting oral sex & anal sex as the best ways to stop an unwanted fetus. So instead of telling us to ABSTAIN, or have it no matter what ! ! ! !
They should change their message IMO .
Yep , if there was more licking, fingering & swallowing & more bum fucking, there would be less pregnancy !
After all, trying to get two (or more) horny people from just not having sex. Or in case the perfered method of birth control fails (& we all know it happens)
For all you folks who just want to get off & be sure you can’t get pregnant, Anal & oral is the way to go !
so…. If it’s murder to use a condom when you have sex because the sperm isn’t able to fertilize eggs is it murder every time you jack off too because that sperm isn’t going to make a baby Brandon?
Why are you assuming I was referring to your comment(s), mm? I generally ignore your posts, TBH.
Just assume from now on I’m not talking to you or referring to anything you have to say.
pettyK …you make me laugh sometimes !
Voice…I never thought of masterbation as murder.
But
If you think about the fact a man ejaculates (average) about 2 millimeters of fluid & there is about 60/80 million sperm
http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/27865
EVEN IF…
Every time someone DOES inseminate one egg they are still committing hundreds of thousands of murders…according to prolifers & some of our more well known religious groups !
ouch !
Its a good thing women don’t drop 2- 3 thousands eggs at a time !
IF they did it had better be in a swimming pool !
“2- 3 thousand eggs at a time” >: 0
Even Cool Hand Luke couldn’t eat that many
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-X1ZjFzb4XU4/TjWQ…
I believe Brandon was trolling or being sarcastic… calm down erryone.
I think the pro-lifers said they wanted some sort of study to determine when life began LOOOOOOL. How the hell can you study something like that – but what if this study came back and said life begins with the sperm? Hmm????? What a hoot that would be! Every time a man ejaculated for any other reason other than making a baby, the cops would knock on his door and arrest him for the murder of millions!! Imagine the volunteers for that study…
http://www.kindofcreepy.com/wp-content/upl…
FRIG he looks like sperm!
i thought he was being clever and sarcastic
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: Pretty Kitty (05/14, 4:46PM)
“Why are you assuming I was referring to your comment(s), mm? I usually ignore your posts, TBH.”
1. A Public Forum
This site and the comments on it are what is known as a PUBLIC FORUM, a concept you clearly don’t understand. When someone makes a comment it enters the public domain and is the legitimate target, for praise or criticism, from other commenters. It doesn’t matter if the comment is a general unaddressed one like yours or is directed specifically like this one, the same rule applies. (I welcome any praise or criticism but particularly praise. Don’t forget the reasons!) So your comment to the effect that I was assuming your comment was referring to one of mine is incoherent. In other words, I wasn’t assuming anything at all except that your comment was a legitimate target. In spite of what you appear to think you cannot reserve your comments for the “favoured few” even if you specify them which, of course, you didn’t.
2. PK’s Mind
Your failure to grasp the concept of a public forum is tied to the nature of your mind which in turn relates to why you ignore my posts. The question arises, of course, as to why you ignore my posts. You ignore my posts because you find them boring. But why do you find them boring? You find them boring because of the nature of your mind. Your previous comments on other threads reveal that reality for you consists of variations in the state of your body and/or emotions and the forces which directly impact those states. In other words, you do not function at the conceptual level, at least not in the form those concepts take in my posts. Your mind is what might be called a-conceptual. For you concepts are alien, a foreign country.
So, to reverse the direction, your inability to function at the conceptual level leads to your boredom with my posts which then leads to your ignoring them which, finally, leads to your failure to grasp the concept of a public forum. Everything is traceable to the nature of your mind or, in the case of concepts, your lack of one.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
I think this is a nice piece of psychoanalysis and deserves at least 5 “Likes”.
Actually, there was an amendment in Oklahoma, where a proposed amendment to its “personhood” bill would effectively outlaw male masturbation.
http://watch.thecomedynetwork.ca/the-daily…
A Psychologist and a Philosopher, eh?
I don’t fully understand why someone would prefer praise over criticism…
“I welcome any praise or criticism but particularly praise”.
It’s criticism that identifies a persons flaws. Praise isn’t as useful. In fact, I’ve always argued that people don’t receive enough criticism, and that this leads to a deluded view of themselves.
For example, people who chew with their mouths open. If no one ever told them to close it, they would go on chomping with their mouths wide open at the dinner table.
How can you grow and change if you don’t first know what you’re doing ‘wrong’?
I guess if someone measures their self-worth by the compliments they receive from others, then praise is a clear preference.
I have to say… I agree with Sir Brandon Cheshire Hollundaise Willcox III…
and if you read what he actually said instead of what you think you’re reading…
you likely would too.
i think i can explain it to the folks, zed. he doesn’t think abortion is murder, as much as he thinks using a condom is murder. in no way is he saying don’t use a condom, comprehension is lacking in our readers, sometimes
Brandon Wilcox’s post WAS clearly misconstrued. The way I read it is that he’s saying abortion as murder is a ridiculous concept, because that’s akin to saying a condom is murder, which is ridiculous to most of us.
You’re right PG: comprehension is a bit off in this case!
Women should have the right to make choices about their own bodies. It seems so simple on the surface, deciding to terminate a pregnancy. But what is a pregnancy? It is the start of life. Modern technology allows a 3D view inside the womb where we see a living, thriving, developing human being. Legally, a woman has the right to “terminate a pregnancy”. It has become convenient to apply a whitewashed term for an act which is essentially about ending the life another human being. If the mother chooses this option immediately after the child emerges from the womb there is a different legal outcome. There is little distinguishable difference. Whether inside or outside the mother’s body it is still a human being. Society condemns the actions of deadbeat dads who abandon their children, but sanctions mothers who do so at a most fundamental and crucial time, during that of the child’s development. I agree, it is a woman’s right to make choices about her own body. Opting to kill another human being, one’s own child, says a lot about the character of a woman who would make the choice to end another’s life. Women in Ontario also have another right with regard to their bodies -to go topless in public, but concern about their character means very few, if none, actually do.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/us-out-of…
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: TheCaptain (05/15, 10:04AM)
“I don’t fully understand why someone would prefer praise over criticism… It is criticism which identifies a person’s flaws.”
Oh dear, another of Montrealman’s little jokes falls flat. Actually Captain, I agree with you but would qualify your statement by adding “reasoned” to “criticism”. Another of Montrealman’s little jokes was rating his own posts on their number of “Likes.” I view the whole “Like/Dislike” exercise as being completely fatuous and was spoofing it. The reason that it is fatuous, of course, is that no reasons are given. No reasons are given, of course, because the “voter” has none beyond a simple-minded “Like” or “Dislke.” What a farce!
: rrramblin’ prose (1:34PM)
An excellent post to which I would make only one change. Instead of abortion saying something about the “character” of a woman who chose to have one for reasons other than rape, incest and a threat to her life, I would say it says something about her “ethical awareness”. But I realize that to talk about ethical awareness in this age of pathological individualism is to risk being laughed out of court.
: Ivan, Master & Commander (2:35PM)
Well, I suppose if the lady in “The Onion” said that her body is her own and that she can do what she wants with it, including abortion, then there’s really nothing more to say on the matter, is there.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
oh, ffs, bitchez-I sent an on topic link (An Oklahoma state senator had the eggs to introduce a bill counting birth from the point of ejaculation that would make jacking off illegal) that I specially found so ya’ll can watch it up there and only one person watched it? Maybe you’re too busy to watch? Pul-eeze. (JK—it is funny, though)
http://watch.thecomedynetwork.ca/the-daily…
I dunno MM. I think General Shelton made some pretty convincing arguments for armed intervention.
sorry xeno, love that stuff. i’d already watched it since i’m a media hound and a scent hound^^
…and this:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-uGmVRKWPbno/TZ7p…
is a MiG-31 Foxhound
Can’t say I agree with you Rosie. I would fall closer to Brandon Wilcox ‘s idea that if abortion is the termination of life then contraception would be the denial of life. What’s the difference? When contraception intervenes and prevents the egg and sperm from making their rendezvous, it stops a specific person from coming to be. Same with abstinence, all kinds of individuals are never realized when people refrain from sex.
I really don’t see the difference. Abortions are going to happen, keep them legal and safe.
Besides, my philosophy is less “go forth and multiply” and more “reduce, recycle and reuse”.
There is no way a late term abortion should be legal. Its a baby! It can even live outside your selfish womb. And you want a doctor to cut it up and take it out of you?! WTF
And this: http://images.wikia.com/nintendo/en/images… is a (former) member of FOXHOUND.
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: troondon formosus (05/15, 10:05PM)
“I would fall closer to Bandon Wilcox’s idea that if abortion is the termination of life then contraception would be the denial of life. What’s the difference?”
“terminate, v, trans. – to bring to an end, to put an end to.”
“deny, v, trans – to assert the negative of; declare not to be true.” (The American College Dictionary)
Do you see the difference Troon? “Termination” refers to putting an end to something which has already begun. In the case of abortion it is putting an end to a human life which has already begun. On the other hand “denial” does not refer to ending a life which has already begun but rather preventing a life from beginning at all.
In the first case, Troon, human life exists. In the second case it does not. Now, do you see the difference? Good going Troon.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
yeah… we should all be reducing babies…
recycling them into bio-fuel
or reusing them for spare parts.
“An Oklahoma state senator had the eggs to introduce a bill counting birth from the point of ejaculation that would make jacking off illegal”
Would that also make women/men who swallow be considered cannibals?
Yes, EggzZz. Reduce the population (well, don’t increase it anyway), recycle fetus parts for future research and reuse stemcells, a very valuable commodity in the medical and scientific communities. I mean if the fetus has been aborted anyway.The intentional harvesting of fetuses for stemcells is a can of worms for another day.
Monsieur, I think we’ll understand the difference between denial and termination but it’s all just semantics to the person that never was.
Really though, if they’re going to go as far back as they can to determine when “life” is created, it would start with the sperm. So men are the murderers. I bet the pro-lifers would change their tune then… No more sex for pleasure, it’s all about makin’ babies.
PS: Nobody said anything about a late-term abortion and if I’m not mistaken, you can’t just go get one.
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: troondon formosus (05/14, 10:14AM)
“Monsieur, I think we’ll (sic) understand the difference between denial and termination but it’s all just semantics to the person that never was.”
Troon, this statement is very deeply confused.
First, you posit the existence of a “person who never was”. But since simple existence necessarily presupposes any predicate that might be attributed to any entity whatsoever, what possible ontological status could this “person” possibly have?
Second, not only do you posit an imaginary ontological existence to this “person who never was” but you go on to attribute an epistemological predicate as well, i.e., that the distinction between denial and termination for him is “all a matter of semantics.” How could you, even in principle, possibly know this? As a matter of interest, could you then go on to articulate the criteria constitutive of knowledge for this “person who never was”? What would they look like?
Troon, in spite of your assertion to the contrary, I’m beginning to wonder if you grasp the difference between denial and termination at all. Read the definitions I provided previously to yourself. (Try not to move your lips.)
: Depeche Mel (10:37AM)
“Really though, if they’re going as far back as they can to determine when ‘life’ is created, it would start with the sperm. So men are the murderers.”
I really enjoyed your hilarious joke Mel, but I know you know that it’s incoherent. Now I want you to tell us how it is incoherent. (Hint: Start with the word “egg”.)
As a matter of curiosity, why did you put the word “life” in scare quotes?
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
Thanks for the feedback Monsieur.
“but you go on to attribute an epistemological predicate as well”
Gotta admit, you caught me there. You must be the tenth person who has told me that I do that too often. From now on, I vow to stop attributing any more epistemological predicates. As much as I can anyway.