I would like to bring up the protest of the ‘Pro Life’ rally that took place on Robie Street over the weekend, I understand your cause but there is a small movement for Pro Choice, which I support.
It amazes me how many men were present at this protest. Have they personally had to make this choice? I highly doubt it, I know it effects all parties. But I strongly disagree with their presence, and the KOC groups involvement. Do these protesters truly believe they are helping the cause?
I believe the ‘choice’ is made long before they arrive at the hospital. There are some people who endure this surgery at no fault of their own, please think of them when you stand there with your picket sign and judge. I was amazed at one person who was interviewed by the newspaper and was asked why she was participating, only to reply because people were entitled her opinion… —Pro choice bither
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hey op you’re preaching to the choir (mine anyway) i would surmise that these folks all bow to the giant manicotti monster in the sky. i don’t call them pro-life i call them anti-choice or antichrists…teehee
I hate those fucking fundamendist boneheads, especially the men. When was the last time they expelled something the size of a watermelon through an opening the size of an orange? Until they do, they’ve got no right to tell any woman what to do with her body.
All these arseholes want to do is breed more swarmers and toss-away kids. Let them adopt these unwanted children if they’re that commited to their fucked-up cause.
i use the term pro-birth, at least when i’m being nice. it’s not life they care about, only the (potential) baby being born. what happens after is of no consequence, therefore pro-birth.
I’m confused… were men present at the protest of the pro-life rally, or present at the pro-life really?
This is Canada, so get over it. If it bothers you ignore it. That goes for any protest, info pickets or whatever. Just because you or I disagree with something doesn’t mean everybody does.
I wonder what the unborn would have to say about their rights? Don’t we all, once conceived, have the right to be born? Why does someone’s inconvenience at being pregnant trump that right?
Sorry, jdp21 men were participating in the rally.
Well I’m not about to make a sign, and shove my pro-choice opinion down peoples throat in the form of a protest. I’m not saying I’m right, just know when enough is enough. I may be entitled to your opinion, but no one asked for it. So please leave your picket signs at home, and lets not make the ‘choice’ any more unbearable.
This is SUCH a clusterfuck of an issue, but I will say this: do “pro lifers” forget that “pro choice” includes the choice NOT to have an abortion, or are they all a bunch of leotards?
There *are* some of us who are pro life who would never make the decision to have an abortion, but respect the rights of other women enough to mind our own fucking business and let them make that decision for themselves. Women are not incubators and taking away their right to choose likens them to nothing more than baby makers and making them invaluable otherwise. And that pisses me off. I’m much more than a goddamned baby maker ffs.
/seethes
No Oceanlady, a fetus does not have a “right” to be born. And even if it did, that doesn’t give it the right to use the body of another human being.
We are not obligated by law to save the life of another human, whether by donating organs or jumping in a river, no matter how noble it may be. Certainly a pregnant woman is not obligated to enable a fetus to be born by loaning her body out for 9 months against her will.
Pregnancy is a mere “inconvenience” you say? Tell that to the half a million women who died of pregnancy or childbirth complications last year. Not to mention the myriad women whose lives are ruined by being forced carry an unwanted pregnancy to term. Or the 1 woman every 8 minutes who dies from a botched abortion in countries where abortions are illegal. Does a fetus’ supposed right to life trump that of actual, fully developed, human women? Is a fetal “life” more precious than that of the women who walk among us, who have functioning brains and organs, who are PEOPLE with valuable lives, who have other people who love them? Since pregnancy entails profound physical, psychological, and long-lasting consequences for a woman – it is not a mere “inconvenience” – her freedoms are significantly restricted if she is forced to carry to term.
A fetus is not a person and therefore, it does not have rights. Even IF it did have rights, those rights would not and do not override the rights of the person whose body they must reside inside of to exist. End of Story.
If it wants rights it should pay taxes like everyone else. Amiright.
Ever hear an abortion survivor speak? It’s compelling stuff. But your ‘End Of Story’ comment already tells me, meOw, that the only opinion you are interested in is your own. The aborted are equally entitled to theirs. If YOU had had a choice would you have preferred your mother terminate YOUR gestation?
youtube.com/watch?v=kPFIFhCMPuQ
Apologies for posting the wrong link. Here it is:
youtube.com/watch?v=kPF1FhCMPuQ
If we take away women’s right to abort there will still be unwanted pregnancies, and all that’s going to change is that now they will: find a doctor who would perform illegal abortion for under the table payment, risk their health by doing something (anything) to abort, carry to term and kill the baby, give birth to the baby and give up for adoption, give birth and raise the baby while regretting the existence of the baby all their lives….you get the idea. It isn’t a matter of choice or pro life, it is a question of why we have a society full of unwanted pregnancy.
My End of Story comment indicates that I do not believe a woman’s fundamental human rights are up for debate. Do you truly believe that you or the government has the right to dictate what happens to women’s bodies? Does the law or your personal opinion have the right to impose its will on my womb?
You anti-choicers love to throw up the “Abortion Survivors” as a derailment tactic. Those RARE cases are (and could only occur as) a result of late-term abortions, which only constitute a tiny 1-3% of all abortions performed. Even most doctors and people who are pro-choice have issues with late-term abortions, and in fact, by law those procedures are done almost exclusively for medical reasons, as in when the mother’s life is in jeopardy. So while the Abortion Survivors make a lovely scare-tactic for anti-choicers, they really have very little to do with the current debate over women’s reproductive rights.
And the whole “if you had a choice, would you want your mother to abort you” is so incredibly tired, and remains as non-sensical now as when it was first uttered eons ago. You could just as equally use the same silly rhetoric to argue against birth control rights, because hey, as a fledgling spermatozoa, would I choose to have my dad slap a condom on? Give me a break, it’s hypothetical absurdity at its worst.
You know, if I had a choice I would want my mother to abort me. Then I wouldn’t have to deal with this shit and all the other shit. Like bad fashion, pushy people, poverty, pigs, rude soul less individuals. I can only hope to remain graceful and tactful throughout this life, but boy it isn’t as sweet a dream as one would think.
How morbid. Pro choice all the way.
notsonewt: you’re completely right. HOW many women bled out because they attempted to terminate a pregnancy with a knitting needle or coat hanger before safe abortion options were available (that wouldn’t get you thrown in jail)?
Abortion is a fact of life. Might as well make it SAFE and keep the already crowded prisons a little less crowded.
Ever see ‘Revolutionary Road’ …
I may have just killed that for a few people.
i was gonna call you an ass-donkey but i see you were not serious^^i wasn’t gonna watch it anyway
I have to strongly disagree with your strong disagreement of the presence of the men at these events. Just because men can’t make the choice doesn’t mean they shouldn’t express their opinion on behalf of, or in support of, the women in their lives that they care about… no matter which side of the debate they are on.
I’m also confused as to why men being at such a rally would be so offensive, beyond the reasons people don’t like these rallies in general.
It would serve you better to make more logical arguments, and to get inside the head of these protesters and figure out their motivation. A man is likely at the protest because he thinks people (women and their male or female doctors) do not have the right to decide to end a pregnancy. Is that crazy? Perhaps, but consider the possibility that some of these men (or any men) are equally as likely to show up at a rally against female genital mutilation, despite their inability to ever experience it.
So accurate TTFN ….. you summed up my thoughts perfectly. If these pro-lifers aren’t willing to adopt the soon-to-be-aborted fetus, then they have no right to pout off at mothers who chose abortion.
Try asking those pro life supporters, how many of them have already adopted a child ?
Then ask them why they are not presently trying to adopt a child that needs a home ?
I personally believe if you haven’t adopted a child , you have no right to protest & judge someone else…who just like you, doesn’t want a child !
You don’t have a right to judge what a woman does with her body no matter how many goddamn babies you adopt.
I agree, its her body & her decission.
But I have asked a prolifer at a protest…”have you adopted any children ?”
How about you , & of the people who did respond, with things like “I am a mother /father “, not one was the parent of an adopted child !
I found that rather puzzling.
IF you love children so much you would go & protest that complete strangers are (In The Protesters Words,not mine) ‘Killing innocent babies’ …why wouldn’t they have adopted a child ?
Seems they have no problem protesting a problem as they see it…but they don’t seem to want to help with the REAL problem IMO of so many children looking for homes & hoping to be adopted !
I find that to be very hypocritical .
The anti-choice movement is riddled with hypocrisy, including those who seek abortions for themselves or their daughters and then head straight back to the picket line to tell other women that they’re “murdering their babies”. It’s disgusting and offensive, but to be anti-choice you have to be pretty selfish and deluded anyway.
More: their defence on the whole adoption issue is “better to be homeless than dead” or some such rubbish such as that.
You know what DOES kinda bug me about abortions? People who end up having multiple ones. Like 2-3 or even more (all paid for by msi!)…is it THAT hard to use a condom or go on the pill or stop fucking or whatever you have to do to stop getting knocked up and using msi funded abortions as your chosen birth control method? I’d never judge someone for having an abortion…however, I kind of re evaluate that when I hear of someone having multiple ones. I understand it’s your choice, but…3+ abortions is a bit skanky in my opinion.
OK. How are your thoughts on Stem Cell research? How do you feel about abortions being done in such away the the embrio can be harvested for experimentation and culture developement?
I have no problem Hugo.
I purposely have a Doctor who is in the Dept of Family Medicine in Halifax & is part of the teaching of new doctors through the Dalhousie school of medicine. When I went in for surgery a couple of years ago, it was mentioned that their would be student surgeons in attendance & I was fine , let them cut away.
How will they learn if they can’t practice under a doctors supervision …if everyone says no way ! Every time I go to my doctor in the last 15 years a student has been present.
There have been real medical breakthroughs because of stem cell research. WHo knows we may end up with a way to regrow severed nerves…think of how many thousands of crippled people could be helped by that ! Organ replacement is another area… who knows where it could take medicine.
Too bad sebastian wasn’t an abortion statistic.
According to uber-neo-feminazi me0w, all women should be able to do whatever they want whenever they want without any criticism whatsoever from anyone. If you are ever critical of a female, especially if you’re one of those horrible oppessive white males, you’re a patriarchal woman-hating misogynist! At least that’s what she was taught with her Masters in Womyn’s Studies degree that makes her so much more enlightened and refined than the rest of us.
Still pro-abortion, though, but let us dudes have at least some say in it (see my comments on the other abortion thread).
I might not agree with what a person has to say but I will defend their right to say it. Bro Tim is spot on. This is democracy in action.
What’s so wrong with a Man at a pro-life rally? A man might not make the ultimate decision but they certainly are entitled to an opinion.
Exactly where do you get any of that bullshit from any of my posts, Q? Is the worst insult you can up with that I’m educated and a feminist? FYI, I’ve never taken a women’s studies class in my life. Not that it should matter to you anyway, as you seem to have painted yourself a vividly inaccurate picture of who I am in order to justify your vitriol towards me. Whatevs, keep barking little dog.
A feminazi isn’t an educated feminist.
No, you’re right, it’s not, Balls. I elected to ignore the nazi reference (childish) and focus on the feminist aspect of the word. And he accused me of having a “Masters in Womyn’s Studies”, hence the ‘educated’ part. Thanks for chiming in though!
“i hate illinois nazis”
“We’re on a mission from God”
“our lady of blessed acceleration, don’t fail me now”
“How much for the leetle girl?”
“four fried chickens and a coke”
I thought the dig was that you’re an uneducated Feminazi. You had interpreted it as you’re educated and a feminist. They’re quite different. People must call you crazy. Do you have a bunch of cats?
Frankly, people can call me whatever they like (including ridiculous terms like Feminazi) for speaking my mind and standing up for what I believe in, and I really couldn’t care less. The absurd thing is that Q appears to stand on the same side of the abortion debate as I do, but felt the need to launch a personal attack against me anyway. My opinions have gotten under his skin in the past, and he’s obviously still bothered by it. Oh well.