To the drivers that constantly complain about the price of gas, stop. It might not be you that is the cause of the high price of gas, but it has to be almost everyone else you know.
On my way to work today, i passed 9 Tim Horton’s, 3 McDonalds, and two gas stations with a drive-thru.
Not only did each of the places have line ups of at least 10 cars, the parking lots of the joints were nearly bare. Can you seriously blame the government for corruption, when you people sit in your car and burn gas galore, waiting for a dollar coffee? Forget the busses, and trucks that shoot out the black smoke, sitting there idling for your coffee is a far worse polluter. At least the truck or the bus was going there, you are polluting just because you dont want to get up and walk inside for a coffee.
It’s sunny, it’s 15 degrees, take the fuckin time to get out of your car, and walk and get in line instead of burning 5 minutes of gas going a grand total of 100 feet, you lazy peices of shit.
Drive thrus outsell walk up in many locations now. If that doesnt say something. People are so used to the drive thru, that they fit it into the daily schedule. It’s a daily ritual for people.
Of course the odd person is going to be in a rush, but everyday? You cant complain about gas prices, when you waste gas a few times a week, by being too lazy to stand up and walk in to a coffee joint.
This article appears in May 8-14, 2008.
LMAO!!! You are so F-ing right.Attitude…..lay it on ’em!!!
Not only are there 10 vehicles but there is only onr person per car. Ever watch Bayers Rd on rush hour? Same thing. Whats just as bad than waiting 10 mins in an idled car for one cup of the coffee is the trash all those cars are going to create from the Timmy’s waste.
I don’t understand the whole Tim’s mentality anyway — their coffee is shit — but you’re right. In the mornings the frggin’ drive-thru at the Bayers Lake store by the 103 often goes right onto the street and the idiots just sit there, blocking the right lane. That ought to deserve a ticket for incompetence if nothing else. They turn it into a real hazard.
If you think the price of gas is a-ok because people line up in their idling cars to buy coffee your perspective needs to be widened and in a very big way.Focus on the environmental impact and your bitch is valid. To introduce the price of fuel as support of your bitch is just stupid. Take the blinders off and maybe the tunnel vision will pass.Oh, and BTW, having a daily ritual to drive thru and get a coffee on the way to work doesn’t make people lazy… it makes them employed and likely balanced individuals executing a normal and socially acceptable routine.Why are you bitching at people who use drive thru services instead of the corporations providing them?Your blanketing sweeping statements and broad assumptions about the average Joe are too much. Grow up! Gain some perspective already!
I don’t think it’s relevant to point the finger at corporations who provide drive throughs. Corporations exist to make money. If there is a demand for a product or a service, some corporation will provide it. Corporations don’t take responsibility for polluting, any more than the fox takes responsibility for eating the chickens. It’s what they DO. Corporations don’t act. They REact. It’s up to individuals in large numbers to provoke the desired reaction. If enough people eschew the drive throughs, they will cease to be profitable and the corporations will react by abandoning or at least reducing the service.
I hope the price of fuel goes up to $5/litre. Obviously people have not got the point yet. Why should I be angry at any corporation because people have no self control or common sense. I have seen some, perhaps even a lot of these people that wait in a drive-thru. Imagine the extra work some of these fat-fucks would have to go through to get some more of healthy food being offered. That ain’t going to happen. LaZy, you are right they are lazy. More than half of society is lazy. It’s bad a trend. And kids these days, holy…I’d be willing to bet there are more active three-toed sloths out there.Definitely a valid bitch.
Kay, the point of the bitching wasnt to end world pollution, to blame corporations, to solve the worlds gas problem….it was specific in its nature. To suggest other things like blaming the corporations, that is another OP altogether. This is a direct connection for those that bitch about gas prices but stay in line, from the car, for 5 minutes, for a $1 product. Kay, how can you suggest that this bitch is invalid? It isnt talking about the enviroment, it is a bitch, that is complaining about those that bitch about gas prices. Nothing more, nothing less.
Oh and Kay, im with Scott, i hope gas companies make BILLIONS off us. I hope gas goes up to $8/L..Kay forget all that shit you wroet for a second and ponder this. If the people that wait 5 minutes (or more) each morning as is the trend for at least 10,000 scotians a day during rush hour before or after work. calculate this. They wait for 5 minutes a day, times 5 days a week, times 4 weeks a month. that is 1 hour and 40 minutes a month a SINGLE car is idling. Multiple that by 10k scotians…..you have 10k cars that spend almost 2 hours a month, idling…… FOR FUCKING COFFEE !!!!!!!!! tell me how in the fuck you blame a corporation for this? I have no clue why the fuck you want to blame Tim Hortons? At what point did Tim Hortons say, its better if you stay in your car? They never did. The product hasnt changed. They provided a service for those that were in a rush, just in case….. but now, many people use drive thru because they dont want to stand up.
I don’t mind that the cost of gas keeps going up as it’s just a way of life. The cost of living is going to rise no matter what we do to pay for the things we need. It’s when I hear that the gas companies made $65 BILLION in PROFITS (yes, that’s after expenses) in only 1 fiscal QUARTER, that’s what makes me sick.
For Scott and Homie who want gas to go up to $5-8/L, presumably because it will discourage driving, try and remember that not all nova scotians, not even most, live in Halifax. This is not a densely populated province and rising gas prices are going to hurt a lot of people’s pocket books before any options for non-fossil fuel cars/alternate transprotation become available or affordable or practical for most rural Nova Scotians. These people still have to get to work and run errands and walking/public transit/cycling is not a real option. Farmers cannot move to the downtown core. Fishermen can’t live on their boats. Construction workers have to commute to ever-changing job sites that might be 40-60min away from their homes and the building supply centers. These are the people rising fuel costs will hurt most. They can’t afford to give up/change their vehicles and they can’t afford to fuel them.
This is just further indication of how fucked peoples’ thinking and or priorities are. Remember how the dumb fucks (read cows) tied-up traffic on the Bedford Highway during hurricane Jaun because they needed to get their cup-o-jo at one of the few open Tim-hoe’s??? “Hey fuck the state of emergency….this is a REAL emergency…..gotta git my coffee…” If anyone ever wanted proof that people are nothing more than mindless sheep in this city…..that was it. Personally i’d love to see gas go to $4.00 or $5.00 liter…
ps. drive thru’s should be banned
Do you people realize that if the price of fuel rises that much it will affect many more things than just the people who drive alone to work/through drive-thrus/etc. The price of all transportation will go up, the price of almost everything will go up! No more vacations to other parts of the world, no more exotic fruit, no more $1 coffees, unless you are all millionaires and that’s why you don’t care about the rising cost of fuel either that or you’re happy walking everywhere you go for the rest of your lives and you must also not be worried about helping people in need like say, when there’s a natural disaster……You may want to rethink your wishes of $5-$10 per Litre.
I realize most people live in the country. I still see people driving 20 minutes to town a couple times a day; not taking their neighbor on that drive either. And people that live in town, taking their car to the store two blocks away. There is still quite a ways to go yet with this, no pun intended, as far as education. Planning ahead and smarted driving habits make huge differences in consumption. I have no problem with SUVs, just go easy on the accelerator. A lot of cars get crappy fuel mileage, just as bad as SUVs. People need to adjust their driving habits prior to complaining about the cost.
of course i realize that many things will cost more. Look at the cost to society right now as it stands. The cars are pumping loads and loads of pollution into the air. Respitory illness is at an all time high (yes i do not factories arent helping) but lets take a look at what is really unnecessary polluting……I am going to say that idling for 5 or minutes for coffee, clearly wasting, clearly pointless polluting. Its unfortunate that this pointless wasting is tied to the price of the product it takes to create that pollution. It is unfortunate that this rise in the price of the product affects those that Miles was talking about. Unfortunately, the health of the citizens, and the health of the enviroment is more important to me than the cost of products. If the the maintaining low prices of gas is more essential than the conservation of a fuel that isnt replenishing itself, the damaging of the enviroment, and an atmosphere that is affecting people with respitory issues, that is sad. Reality is that people would lose thier minds if drive thrus were taken away. Corporations that have them, would lose thier mind and sue everyone and thier moms, so there is only one way to affect or deter this shit, either put a ridiculous surcharge or fee like $4 bucks per visit at a drive thru (which will never happen), the only thing that can deter this waste, is make it too exspensive to keep up the practice of a drive thru.
You people are SO predictable you’re like cattle. You see my name on a post and you oppose and insult me no matter what my points nor how I back them up.I’m not a lazy fat fuck like MOST of the population out there and yes, I use the convenience of a drive thru window from time to time… this doesn’t make me lazy but you’d agree with the sweeping statements of the OP creating a brand new negative stereotype you can fit 80% of the population into. Pathetic.There is a green movement happening in the world today. You know it so well you bitch about evil-polluters regularly on forums just like this. So tell me why large corporations providing environment damaging facilities should not be made responsible for the mess and it’s provention. You seem content to blame the public, insult them even, rather than call a spade a spade. Homie’s math PROVES my point.To all of you who think the cost of energy spiking is a-okay… go take a macroeconomics course before you buy your hybrid… idiots.And Miranda, go get some help. Corporations making money at the expense of the environment are not cool. Just because companies are set up to make money doesn’t mean they should behave any less human in achieving it. Obviously we need another (my favorite) bylaw to show these companies how to behave responsibly.Cyril. Scott, Mimi… go buy a car or move out of momm’s and pay your energy bill your own and you’ll be eating your words.However, Cyril, I agree, ban the drive thru. Problem solved.
This is the crap kay is spewing, reminds me of pollution.”You see my name on a post and you oppose and insult me no matter what my points nor how I back them up.”from her 1st post on the topic:”To introduce the price of fuel as support of your bitch is just stupid. Take the blinders off and maybe the tunnel vision will pass.””Your blanketing sweeping statements and broad assumptions about the average Joe are too much. Grow up! Gain some perspective already!”from her 2nd post:”You people are SO predictable you’re like cattle.””Pathetic”, “idiots” “And Miranda, go get some help.”Cyril. Scott, Mimi… go buy a car or move out of momm’s and pay your energy bill your own and you’ll be eating your words.”Kay what are these quotes…They are opposite opinions and insults.You are a hypocrite. Which leads me to believe you and your logic is fucked, thus putting you in the category of reTard. That takes away any credibility you have or have had. Reasoning and deductive logic elude you. Plz shut the fuck up and never address me again. I think you are a fucking bitch.
I am hardly insulting you Kay.Either way, the statement was made in the OP, based on an observation that you could see for your own two eyes, any given weekday, between the hours of 7am-9am and 4-6 pm. Line ups of cars. So what that YOU personally might not be what is described in the OP. However, like was stated, there are a great many people that do have that as a stop every single morning. It is too bad that those people are part of the blame for the spike in gas. Really, they are a HUGE part of the blame. You might not like that they are to blame, but again. 10k cars a day, every day. Waiting at least 5 minutes for coffee. It is too bad for you that those people are a huge reason in the spike of gas consumption (this includes mcdonalds, and all them other spots with drive thrus)I understand the economics of what would happen. However, you cant deny that human nature isnt going to change on its own and people will stop wasting away at a drive thru, human nature isnt going to allow the ban of drive thrus (we will fight to keep them , companies will say they lose money and jobs will be lost as a result)…. reality is a sudden SUPER spike in price to teach these daily fuel wasters to be more responsible and not spend 2 hours a month idling in line for coffee. If you have any realistic suggestions, please air them. I agree banning drive thrus is the way, but that aint happening anytime in our lifetime.
scott, please tell us really what you think of kay
I think that drive thrus should only be allowed for certain people. If you’re in a rush, it’s actually going to be faster for you to get out of your car and go in than to wait in a drive thru line. Now, I can see using one if you’re a mom in a mini van with little kids who will require a huge ordeal to get out of the car and back in just for a coffee. Or if you are disabled, or elderly and have a hard time walking, or standing, or require a walker or wheelchair. But if you’re just using it for the convienence, you’re folling yourself because it’s far more convienent these days to park and go in.Kay, people are not saying that we love the idea of corporations making money off ruining the envionment or screwing us over. We’re saying that companies try to make money, if they’re going to make more money with a drive thru, they’ll do it. So as long as people want drive-thrus, they’re going to keep them. We need to wake people up to the wastefullness of drive-thrus so that they will stop using them, and then companies will stop making them. But as much as we bitch about corporations trying to make money, that’s what they’re gonna do, we can’t stop them completely, but we can increase our demands for environmentally conscious products and services, and decrease our demand for wastefull convienence.While I’m all for anything that will get people to use their cars less, I agree that raising fuel prices isn’t the best way to go because fuel affects far moer than driving. We need to start charging more for the bridge toll, perhaps a fee to enter downtown, maybe an enviromental impact fee on cars, depending on the type and age and KM’s driven. It can be part of the yearly inspection. I would LOVE to see a charge on drive thru use, even if you just make the coffee cost double, people who really need to would still use them, but it would cut the usage I’m sure.Convience was always something that cost more, but it seems we have it now for the same price as doing things the hard way.
Well said PAS..its just so hard to see where we can fairly put that charge to make driving not so convienient. It is really really hard to make it fair as someone always will be penalized or on the other side of the coin. But well said.
Telling people to stop bitching about the price of gas because they’re sitting in their cars at a drive thru, which makes them lazy, is ridiculous. No, you don’t have to agree since this is a public forum.Why anybody would wish for the price of energy to continue such a steep climb means those people aren’t knowingly affected by the costs; therefore, it’s fairly safe to assume they either live on a social system (fixed costs, fixed income) or have never left home. OR they don’t realize the cost of energy, fuel, electricity, bus fare… is all one in the same. To say “I hope it goes up…” is like shooting yourself in the foot. I’ll say it again… idiots!!!Scott, you can just suck it up.
You have some good points PAS – charge a service fee for the drive thru coffee etc. I just don’t see how putting a fee on certain types of cars and charging on KM’s would help. We all know that none of the money would go to what it’s so suppose to be used for. And that brings back the point of Cranky’s bitch a few days ago about the consumer being jab in they eye with the environmental expenses while these corporations sit back and count their millions and laugh at us. It’s got to start from the top. The Canadian government needs to stop bending over backwards for these large corporations and start making them comply like the rest of us.… And Kay, maybe people would hear your comments better if you stopped calling us all idiots. Just because someone has a difference of opinion doesn’t make them stupid.
I completely agree, Kay! Hoping for the price of fuel to rise, has to be the dumbest suggestion I’ve heard in long time.
The consumer is responsible for abut 20% of our pollution problem because they drive cars, have warm homes, use lights, refrigeration, etc. Fat corporations are responsible for the other 80%. I agree conservation has to begin somewhere and should begin with the individual but shouldn’t the groups that can make the greatest impact go first and set an example? The consumers will be quick to follow since there will be no more drive thru’s, SUV’s etc.It’s going to take an act of government to make it happen. These corporations are comprised of individuals with vested interest in our environment but no power, know-how, courage, etc to make a difference… not when their jobs or their paycheques are on the line. That has to be the saddest part of all.
ok lori, its the dumbest thing you have heard? It already deters many people from doing lots of things. When it gets high enough, people will click in that this wasting of gas sitting waiting for a cup of coffee, has to stop. We were fine as a society before drive thrus, but look, 2 hours a month? Burning gas while standing still, not at a red light, but waiting for fucken coffee? Lori and kay, if you are going to insult the idea, clearly you have a better suggestion since raising the price of gas is so stupid. Enlighten us a better way to end this frivolous gas consumption.
Corporations are polluting, but they are providing jobs, tell me one reason that waiting in line for fuckin coffee when walking in is a viable option shouldnt be considered first? Why wait for the government when we can do this shit ourselves? why compare the pollution problem to bitching about gas prices? Your entire rant was about pollution. Pay attention to the OP, the rant is about those that complain about gas prices. What the fuck kinda twist of shit is this you are trying to pull.
But Homie, the price of fuel doesn’t just affect cars. Fuel is used for everything, meaning the price of everything would go up. I don’t know about you but my pay cheque certainly doesn’t keep up with the power hikes and increased cost of food and services.
Well Homie, I think yourmom just answered that for me. I agree that drive-thrus are a problem, along with a million other things that humans do to hurt our environment. However, hoping or wishing for the price of anything, including fuel, to rise is just plain ignorant and DUMB because it would negatively affect almost everyone’s way of life, except for the super rich! As far as the OP goes, I pretty much agree. It’s annoying to hear people complain about the price of gas, especially when we’ve been warned for the last few years that this was going to happen. And then to turn around and see so many wasting…..very annoying.
Oh, and I didn’t realize that we now have to have some kind of solution or googled info to comment on something.
my pay check doesnt go up either, but if we stopped 10k people from using driving thrus, what do you think would happen to the price of gas? What do you think companies would do if the drive thru windows became pointless to have as they arent increasing business? What to you think would happen if the entire country stopped this practice? What then would happen to gas prices and the cost of shipping shit? It is going to take something realistic and drastic to get this through people’s heads that we are wasting SO much gas each and every day for some of the stupidest shit. How many times do you see kids driving up and down the bar areas downtown with the music bumpin? ALLLLL the time, its a small thing, but people just going out for a drive, combined with people that are too lazy to park and get a coffee, makes the cost for everyone go up. Go start your car right now and let it idle for two second and watch how much gas you burn. Its a tough lesson that if done with one big sudden giant leap, would be easier to stomach short haul, teach a serious lesson about wasting fuel, and would be much better than the alternative which is a long drawn out struggle that we are learning right now. This is a lesson that needs to be taught to EVERY one. What better way to teach people to work together to be FAR more responsible, not with drive thrus, but in life.
whoops, that should be “let your car idle for two hours”And the super rich would feel a hit too, they would have more prodcut than we could afford to buy, that would force prices back down. But lori, do you have a better suggestion? You call it stupid, but what has worked so far? Drive thrus are getting more and more popular, do you have a realistic suggestion that would be able to take place?
Maybe if the price of gas was staggered so that people with viable transportation alternatives (ie transit, walking) paid more and country folk paid less? Just a thought. I live walking distance to work, so the price of gas doesn’t affect me in the least. It could be $20/ litre. The only time we really use gas is when we need to pick up something that’s too heavy to carry any distance, otherwise we walk or bike it. My parents, on the other hand, are older and live in a small own that is very isolated, so the price of gas is KILLING them. I’d be happy to pay more to see their burden ease a little.
I think PAS had a better suggestion than you – charge a fee for the drive thru. People who go into the store; get their coffee for $1.50. The lazy asses who sit in the drive thru for 15 minutes pay $3.00. That would stop me from using the drive thru, that’s for sure. Raising the price of full is not going to stop people from using it – period.
I think there have been some good solutions already proposed by others, such as banning drive-thrus or charging extra for the service.The cost of fuel is already ridiculous, to invite it to climb even higher to deter people from using a drive-thru IS DUMB.
Hey Kay, if you can’t have a reasonable discussion and accept someone’s difference of opinion without resorting to namecalling (which is exactly what you resort to the first chance you get, hypocrite) then get the fuck out of this forum! I didn’t attack or insult you and yet you bring MY name into your rantings for no reason. I DO have a car and I DO live on my own with my OWN power bill to pay. YES I cringe whenever I fill my tank up with gas and YES I want to throw up everytime I pay my power bill and YES I would love to see the price of gas go down but I would love to see the price of nearly everything else go down as well ie bread, milk, etc. and that just ain’t gonna happen. Grow up.
qwerty, without making this a fight, so you mean rural areas have cheaper gas because of the higher reliance on auto travel and lesser opportunities to use public transit, and it would have to be at a level just right enough to not make it econimically viable for a city folk to travel out to these stations to fuel up? Sorta like having a number that makes this a break even thing if you were trying to be slick by feuling up out if the city, to defeat high prices in the city?How about this, add another say 4-5 cents a litre for gas stations locally. Split that tax with the gas station that would inevitablty lose business, and the other portion of that tax would go to a program set up for people that own a car, but purchase a monthly bus pass. A reimbursment of sorts. I know there would be things that would have to be worked out with that, but that would inject money into the transit company and could improve service, and make parking lots bigger and safer….. did any of that make sense?
Mimi, if you want kay to be nice to you, make up a story about how you’re a famous musician swimming in royalties and you’re going to beat us all up; she has a thing for delusional weirdos.
banning drive thrus is a great idea, but unfortunately it has lost in court many many times. Many cities have tried to iniate by laws banning them. The best the courts have ever awarded is giving the city the rights to make it harder to build new ones. It is a great idea to ban them, but the lawsuits as every company that has one would sue the government and have that shit tied up in litigation for years upon years.
So Homie, let me get this straight….you think that charging different people from different places, different amounts for gas, is something that is possible, but yet you say the banning of drive-thrus ain’t something that’s ever gonna happen in our life time?
Ummm… no, I’m afraid I don’t understand.I was just kind of throwing an idea out there, I hadn’t given it any thought; if there’s a way for people who need gas to pay less, and people who have alternatives to pay more (as a deterrent) I would be cool with that.
I think drive thru’s will be banned when the outcry is loud enough. Right now it isn’t.
the problem with banning drive thrus is like telling a hotel company that built a hotel that they have to tear it down, because you dont like the way it blocks the light to your house. If you do a quick google search of previous cities that had large support of this, they all get shot down by judges with the same reasoning. It isnt the store that is doing the polluting. Since the person in the car has the option of having a car that doesnt pollute, (electric car or whatever) it isnt the responsibility of the store to close down the drive thru to prevent pollution. That or judges say that a store shouldnt be responsible for the choice of the customer, when each customer is given the exact same option of going in or drive thru. It sucks that we just cant change the law, but a quick google seach shows that even cities that have enoromous support cant pull it off. It isnt the drive thru that is actually polluting.
I have faith in the people’s ability to get something done, once they really want it.Just because it hasn’t been done yet, doesn’t mean it won’t be.
ummm yes i do think that charging different prices is possible, we see it all the time. How many times do you see the price of gas higher in the city area than rural? In this province, it is weird, the regulation sorta put the hooks to that, but when we went to the beach, we usually saw a cent or two differance between town and the beach.
I think the problem is that there are a lot of people who just don’t give a fuck. Don’t think of the future of our earth or anything that does not directly benefit them. Looking out for number 1. Our whole culture is based on selfishness and greed. I think the only idea in this whole tread that might bring down the number of people who use drive trough is charging 2x more for a drive through coffee.It could also be the responsibility of the business to provide an efficient drive trough service that doesn’t involve people waiting for 5+ minutes in their cars. How about some sort of track so you can turn your car off while you wait and it will bring you around.
Agree, T: people don’t give a fuck. When enough people give enough of a fuck to get something done, things will change. Right now, we’re not there.
ahhah , good ol faith. Basically, getting humanity to turn in a luxury just for the good of all our well being is damn near impossible. Unless we have a decent alternative, greed, convience and selfishness will always rule. People would think they have a “right” to use a drive thru. As many people that would be for it, will be against them. Like PAS said, the soccer mom with the mini van full of kids, she is never going to endorse a ban like this. Many things that would benefit us, we are never ready to give up. Take smoking for example. That shit has killed BILLIONS of people, and has anyone ever banned them? Some one always says it’s thier right. It is weird that things we need to ban for our own benefit, never get addressed, but if you want chickens in your back yard, we can come up with a law that out laws that shit.
And sometimes, people just change what’s important to them, inexplicably, in vast movements. Saying it can’t happen or it won’t happen is pretty closed minded, not to mention uneducated.Somethings require more than a google search, like a basic understanding of the history of humanity, for example.
give an example of a change made that an alternative wasnt provided for that was beneficial to mankind
OH. MY. GOD.Seriously, dude, are you kidding me????PS Annoying someone to the point that they walk away from the argument is not the same thing as winning the argument. Just to be clear. I’m going to go stand over there now.
Yup, what she said.
i am asking for a simple example. you can freak out if you like, but things like alcohol, cigs, the grease filled food that has caused heart problems for years has killed people, has never been banned. Hell, guns have killed people, and they arent banned. I certainly can tell you WAY more than half the people think guns should be banned, how is that working out?Seriously, even thinking about a ban of something like this is NEVER going to happen. I agree it is best, but that is uthopian.
There are bigger causes of fuel wastage out there than drive-thrus. Give it a rest.
for real you talk in circles. take someones idea – google it – ask for a new idea google it – ask for some more ideas— the most unoriginal poster ever.Even if you had a good point that was your own, or google’s for probabilities sake, it is in the middle of an incoherent rant that even on the slowest of slow days I cant bring my self to read.Not saying that you have nothing useful to say but get to the fucking point.Your question is dumb…there has never been a change made that doesnt have an alternative….the alternative being no change.I can agree though that ppl will never( well lets say 99% cant be too definite) build up the rage to take to the streets against drive troughs…well I hope not because there are a lot of things that would need to be delt with first…and no I will not provide an example.
Last post on this topic:When people want change, change will happen.Change is not happening right now, because people don’t want it enough.When we want change, we will have change.You can’t understand this because it’s an abstract concept that can’t be supported by a google search. Your stubborn retort of “prove it” more than illustrates this.And there is no simple example. Every example is very complex and abstract and as you have shown, it would e a bad use of my time to even begin to attempt to discuss this with you.That is all. You can respond if you want, or try to engage me in further discussion, but it won’t happen.
We will have non-polluting cars before we get rid of drive thrus…because people want better cars more than they want to get out of them for a coffee.
Now this is a bitch that I am passionate about… Long lines at drive-thrus are something that actually makes by blood boil… (212*F)… Some really good comments in here…. so far..Legislation of any kind…( By-laws/whatever) … is not going to outlaw drive thrus… Eventually using a drive-thru will become just as socially unnacceptable as drinking and driving is today… In the meantime, they should restrict the length of drive thru line-ups to the driveway of the establishment… So cars cant block through-fares with long lines like they so often do now.
“when we want change, we will get change”. People have wanted others to stop smoking, it has never happened. People have wanted guns outlawed, it has never happened. Change isnt as easy as just saying “ban it”. Hell, like someone just said, drinking and driving is outlawed and we see it all the time. It just isnt real to think a ban of drive thrus is even a possibilty. my asking to prove it may be stubborn, but it shows how hard to make things like this are. You shouldnt have to google it, something as plain as banning a drive thru would come to your mind in a heart beat. You could site banning cell phones as an example, but that isnt something that hasnt been gotten around with the hands free nonsense. That isnt even accepted world wide. There hasnt been a “change” in anything like this. It sucks, we all talk about change, but them things are damn near impossible to implemment once they already exist. Look how hard it is to get people to switch to autos that run on things other than gas. Regardless of the reason, change is so friggin hard to implement. It takes something drastic in many cases. Disaster or hardship is usually something that brings forced change. This might be one of them cases
big fan of restricting the drive thru length.Anyone know if there is a significant fine for a store for this? If there was, it wouldnt be hard to organize a group of say 400 people to meet at any given drive thru and form one GIANT line and block traffic for blocks. That would bring some serious attention to the problem of the pollution that drive thrus create. One drawback of my suggestion, the pollution it would take to make the point, would be costly and polluting a whole lot. It would create quite the headlines if this was done each day at a different drive thru for say 2 weeks.
I think you’d have to FINE THE DRIVERS, not the store,, “No Stopping” signs on any through-fares… put up some signs, public education, etcIt doesn’t cure the problem but its a step in the right direction that could be made quickly and cheaply…
good point.is there anything on the books currently like that, that would address something like this? I dont drive, hence not overly informed on laws like this.
I think the cigarette example is a good one. How many people quit smoking when the price of cigarettes doubled? Some because they refused to pay that much, and some because they simply couldn’t afford it. My idea behind the envionmental impact fee was more intended so that we could keep prices lower for those in rural areas who do not have better options, but charge an arm and a leg for people driving SUV’s in the city to get a container of milk from the store which is 5 minutes away, or sitting in drive thrus. If people who lived in the city, with lots of options, like walking or buses, had to pay a fee every year depending on the fuel efficency of their vehicle, and other factors, we could keep busses cheap, and gas down, but it would still encourage people to walk or bike instead. Then we could use that money for other things environmental, like getting electric cars back.
And we don’t need to have Drive Thru’s banned. If we can get enough people to stop using them, they will go away on their own.”We will have non-polluting cars before we get rid of drive thrus…because people want better cars more than they want to get out of them for a coffee.”Maybe we should start designing really uncomfortable cars, with no radios or air conditioning, so that people will get out of them every chance they get.
PAS….that is sorta what i was getting at with my point earlier about a charge that helps bus (or public transit free areas) with some fund from the taxes or a surcharge on gas purchsed in the city. I got laughed at when i said to double price of gas because of the spin off effect. But the reason shit costs so much now, is that we have so much wasted fuel, that we jacked up the price ourselves. Then we look to the government to fix our mess. Drive thrus are just an example of a problem we created, but refuse to accept as problem. That being said, people refuse to accept that we need to put a stop to this frivolus shit and do it in a drastic fast sweeping manner. Huge spike in gas prices would open eyes.What are anyone’s thoughts on the government giving credits out for car owners that toss in the gas guzzler for an envromentally cars. However, a list of cars would have to be compiled and these bullshit cars that use bio diesel wouldnt be in the list. They are a huge factor in the world food price right now.
An article in the paper today, plain ans simple things you can do to help yourself pay less.http://www.thechronicleherald.ca/ArtsLife/1054719.html
Funny that people blame companies for the huge profits they make, but reading that article and listening to the nonsense in here… they profit because of our stupidity.
“we don’t need to have Drive Thru’s banned. If we can get enough people to stop using them, they will go away on their own.”uh… no. I don’t think so.This forum has hosted many complaints about squeegee people. If this forum provided a valid public viewpoint then a bylaw preventing them from approaching you on the street wouldn’t have been created because nobody would tolerate them. Their market would dry up and they’d have to move on. Personally, I don’t see what the big deal is but a bylaw was passed anyway.My point is, an act of government is always necessary to enforce the desire of the majority. The majority is not interested in having government tell them how to live their daily lives, however, corporations are impacted differently in that they MUST follow the desires of the majority (the law) lest they be fined for non-compliance, or worse, legally shut down.Today, the closest anyone can come to legally shutting down a drive thru is to enforce existing bylaw with regard to no-stopping, idling and emissions control (all traffic bylaw). Perhaps if we policed the line-up for vehicles that don’t pass emission standards people would think twice about getting in line?It is each Canadian’s right to earn a living. It is not each Canadian’s right to create a polluting environment and those found responsible for such environments are (usually) held accountable. They have to be responsible for their customers littering on the property so why shouldn’t they be responsible for their customer’s pollution in such an enabling environment?Change of this magnitude must be initiated either by effective organized protests (resulting in an act of government) or the voluntary willingness of corporations to cut their profits big time. Bitch all you want. Until there’s an an act of government nothing will change.