Ok lady, it’s totally disgusting that you go into the bathroom stall,use it, then come out fix your self and then leave- WITHOUT WASHING YOUR HANDS! I’ve seen you do this plenty of times. Oh and to the other lady that fakes washing her hands (turns the water on for a milisecond then pull out some paper towel) and chain smokes- GROSS! I don’t give a shit how you live at home, but when your in an office environment with everyone touching everything-be a little courteous!
And to the people that leave the water cooler bone dry, so that the next person has to pick up that heavy ass jug- fuck you!
And who stole my lunch!?
—at home office sounds great!
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Dude, you sound like you’re having a seriously shitty day.
Why would someone fake wash their hands? If you’re going to pretend to wash your hands, why wouldnt just WASH THEM! Its so disgusting.
why would offfice workers fake washing hands; fuck doctors in hospital wards get caught faking/not washing their hands and then going from patient to patient!
fake wash that makes no sense…its like cheating at solitaire
Personally I was taught not to piss on my hands, therefore, why would I have to wash them? 😉
I’d suggest not shaking hands with these people, and sanitizing the pubic areas… (yep, “forgot” the L on purpose)…
Really Gidget, us too
We were also taught not to pee on our hands.
But so much of what we touch is filthy dirty, with actual dirt..not just germs, I wash my hands before handling myself & afterwards as well.
Cause you never know what’s coming, & i try to be ready for as many eventualities as i can ~;)
Fake washing hands? I guess you had to be there…
I just fake-wiped my ass and sat on a turd.
Who wants to bet this is one of the posters who bitched and moaned that they had to actually work to get an office job?
You know the ones, complaining because they have a degree and therefore feel they should have 50k a year starting. They should not even have to apply for a job, let alone do an interview. They should be hired just because they are no longer in school.
while it’s not really that gross, I certainly wouldn’t condone it.
it never hurts to give the hands a wash down and since you’re periodically in the vicinity of a sink at this time, why wouldn’t you?
I’d hate to see Kim and Aggie’s analysis of the bacterial cultures from their home….
“You have to be daft… there’s more bacteria here than porcelain”
Your hands are dirty before even going to the office washroom (you touch doors, windows, pens, cars, money, keys etc…)then you touch the one thing that is clean (for most people anyway that shower in the mornings) then you leave the stall and think I better wash my hands I just peed. lol kinda fuuny when you think about it. So maybe everyone should wash up prior to using the toilet.
the only good thing that came out of the h1n1 scam was there is hand san. everywhere for free and i for one use it all the time
I read an article in a scientific journal a few years ago that proved that urine is often more sanitary than bottled water, and almost always more sanitary than tap water…
So go ahead! Piss on your hands! WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
no bitch please i think it may be the op from a while back that kept having their lunch stolen, there were some useful suggestions…many illegal
I like to embarrass/anger people that don’t wash their hands. “You didn’t wash your hands!” “eww piss paws!” etc. I get dirty looks, but dirty looks aren’t as dirty as those DIRTY MOFUCKAS that are too uncivilized to wash their hands!
poppy peed POPPY PEED!!!
piss paws yea baby:):):)
Enough said ….
If you look up a couple of posts above yours…You’ll see i mentioned i already do ~:)
Urine is sterile, it just smells funny.
I would hazard a guess that this is typical of most offices?
Call center?
More – Super happy to hear you wash your hands. I made my comment and it was ment for everyone not just yourself. So please don’t take it personal.
More- I don’t go through every persons comment before I post, so if I repeat something someone already said then go ahead and skip my comment. No biggie…
Never thought the day would come when construction sites run out of hand sanitizer in the porta potties before the office shithouse !!! Although i prefer to just piss up against the dumpsters and avoid the porta shithouse . And i keep sanitizer in my truck at all times . The huge dollar store jugs for a couple bucks !!!!
Fake wash your hands ? WTF? hmmm maybe i’ll fake piss on the seat and wash my hands in the toilet ? About the same I think ?
POPPY was SLOPPY!
Gidget is correct, urine is sterile…and in fact works as a remedy for everything from atheletes foot to the sting of the Box Jellyfish.
You are also probably wasting your time washing your hands after a dump as well….most of the fecal residue has ended up secure and happy on your clothing as you refasten your pants/skirt etc …
It is truly amazing how mankind has survived all these millenniums, without sanitizers.
We have become a society that is obsessed with killing every living bacteria, good or bad.
Who started this compulsion, anyway !?
Grace O’Malley…I truely do not know.
But I was reading an article recently that said that humans are only able to live because of our symbiotic relationship with billions of bacteria that live in & on us.
If we didn’t have these beneficial bacteria in our digestive system for one example…from 300 to 1000 different types can be present with most people being in the 500 different types range. One of the main benefits is by having these ‘useful’ bacteria in our guts, they keep much more harmful bacteria at bay.Help with digestion, stimulating cell growth, training imune system to respond only to pathogens etc.
While people can survive without bacteria in the gut, the good they do their hosts, outweighs IMO the yuck factor.
So while we’re all hand sanitizing more…lets not start drinking the stuff ‘eh ~;)
I wonder did they evolve along with us…or did we evolve because of them ????
Urine isn’t always sterile, it can host a lot of problems, especially if it smells worse than normal.
More: we actually need the good flora in our guts, we can’t live without it. Due to our love of fast foods and the over-use of pharmaceuticals,( both kill the good guys) we are compromising the production of the friendly bacteria in our bodies. Hence, we become more suspectable to diseases.
Have you had your yogurt, today?
Actually Grace…they say we can live without it, it isn’t recommended, & once the drugs that kill all the bacteria stop being used, you’ll be incubating & feeding trillions of them before you know it …or at least that’s what the article said.
And yes I thought i posted they were (most were) actually beneficial, I’m just wondering if we evolved for their use , to khelp move them around & spread them out…after all there are untold millions & millions in every stool we vacate. ~;)
You’re right, More. However, we wouldn’t live a very happy life because we would need to be isolated in an incubator. Ordinary airborne germs would kill us rather quickly, I’m afraid to say. Think of it as your own little army(good flora) fighting off these bad germs. The link below has a good explanation of what gut flora is and what it does. So like I said, did you have your yogurt today?
http://www.purenewyou.com/shop/index.php?m…
🙂
More: “”you’ll be incubating & feeding trillions of them before you know it …or at least that’s what the article””
This must be from wiki!? It doesn’t quite work that way. The good flora cannot regenerate, without having some/ many of the good guys present. It works much like yeast, which grows rapidly under the right conditions, but you still need the yeast. If your gut has a bigger army of the bad guys then the good guys, they will always lose. So it’s always a good idea if you eat foods with beneficial probiotics. Yogurt, read the label, some are loaded with good guys, cheese, miso (very high %) kefir, sauerkraut, tempeh , buttermilk.
Look guys, if your gonna live on junk food, down pharmaceuticals( especially evil is penicillin) smoke, then at least give your body a chance to fight all the free radicals and have yourself a bowl of yogurt or something …Just saying:)
penicillin is evil, I agree with you there : )
Fallingangels…I understand where you are coming from. Yet, one must remember penicillin has saved countless lives. One must understand that they kill off, life threatening bacteria, but while doing so they also kill off the good guys. So if you’re taking penicillin, that’s when you REALLY need to stock up on the beneficial good guys.
heh, O yes I know this. But it is also something that can be over prescribed by doctors and it totally screws with your system. All when there are in many cases, perfectly acceptable alternatives for treatment.
Not to mention, from my experience, there seems to be a real denial that allergies to this medication exist, and from my perspective, exist in high numbers.
“Over 500,000 children each year experience bad reactions or side effects from widely used medicines, according to a study in Pediatrics. It identifies penicillin and other prescription antibiotics as among drugs linked to the most problems, including rashes, stomach aches and diarrhea.”
Susman, J L (August 2009). Negligence case hinges on penicillin allergy. Journal of Family
Practice, 58, 8. p.435(2). Retrieved January 30, 2010, from Health Reference Center
Academic via Gale:
http://find.galegroup.com/gtx/start.do?pro…
well, the citation kind of worked :S
Does urine count as a bodily fliud through which any number of diseases may be transmitted through contact with?
Maybe mad cow disease : O ?
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/3…
Absolutely FA, it is over prescribed, especially in Children. Besides the allergies, one also becomes immune to the different types of Penicillin, so your doctors ends up prescribing stronger/ larger amounts. Penicillin usage needs to be better monitored. Children’s ear-aches are a good example of over usage. There is so much literature on alternative medicines, that it should be a parents duty to study up on these, before they give young children these drugs. IMO
I think of Penicillin usage, as something akin to, having a “Limited” life-time prescription. Use it sparely and it can save your life.
i frigg’n lived on cillins for ear infections when i was a kid now when i get an infection most antibiotics are ineffective(thank god i don’t get infections)
I definitely agree with everything there Grace.
Not to mention that IMO antibiotics can increase chances of developing other allergies i.e peanuts.
And if taken on too regular a basis as a young child, the chances of developing any kind of “well developed” immune system are gone.
And then what martym said as well.
I have no issues with penicillin though..I swear *looks around room whistling*
Fallenangel…that’s exactly my point about upping your probiotics, without these friendly bacteria, our immune system is at high risk…especially when taking antibiotics…lack of friendly bacteria also escalates, diarrhea, all stomach aches, allergies, just to name a few…Just like you mentioned:) You sound like you have had some very severe reactions or your children have?
There are many good books out there for further reading on alternative medicine. I hope you find the time to read up on some of this…A good one is “Prescription for Nutritional Healing” by Phyllis A. Balch, -James F. Balch
Martyn: I’m glad you no longer get ear-aches but it is not good that you have built up a immune to antibiotics…use it sparingly…Please:)
heh, thanks Grace.
I will definitely be looking that book up.
No kid should ever be taking Antibiotics on a regular basis, for anything! And if a doctor does prescribe that, then It’s time to find another doctor. Be informed…I go into my docs office with facts (don’t forget he works for you)…and mostly he will prescribe what I want. I haven’t met a doctor yet, who doesn’t like an informed patient.
Your welcome fallingangels. It’s my bible…hope you buy one…it will serve you well!
O I inform myself, especially now. Doctors wanted to put my daughter on penicillin for three years straight non-stop (no exaggeration) just as a precautionary measure (Long Story). With lots of research obviously, and taking into account alternatives, I refused to do this, which resulted in the “specialist” “refusing” my daughter treatment.
This was almost 2 years ago, my daughter whom wasn’t even a year old yet was JUST entering into day-care (prime immune developing time as you probably know), and I haven’t had a single issue with the health issue they wanted me to put her on “preventative” antibiotics for.
heh, and that’s only a fraction of the whole story. I am so freaking happy I stuck to my guns on that one. But at the same time I wouldn’t exactly recommend anyone turning a doctor’s treatment down unless they have really researched the issue at hand AND gotten a second opinion.
One more thing fallenangel, get the latest edition the 5th, I think. It has a plum coloured, border around the front cover. Keep me posted.
thanks, will do = )
I love smart posts like you guys are posting !!!
I never get sick and have only been on antibiotics once in my life . I guess I’m healthy .
I do know though that taking to much antibiotics for any little infection can lead to being resistant to them after awhile. Thats all I know .
Wow!!! to the Doctors prescribed solution and FANTASTIC for you, for following your gut instinct and being informed. Stuff like this has life long ramifications and I know your daughter is in VERY capable hands.
😉
haha, Weedhog…pass the joint:P
Knowledge is half the battle, in cases like this!
Thanks 🙂
And thanks weedhog, I lurve smert post’s too; )
I always share !!! Yep your right . Knowledge is key forsure !!!
Always good for me to read on things FA . My work and life consists of smashing down and building buildings .
Heh, That sounds pretty awesome to be honest = )
I’m really refraining from posting lame as pun’s though hah.
shit *ass I mean.
Its a good book falling angel. I highly recommend it.
I love my work !!! Though it can be pretty tough sometimes !!! Best I hear for good conversation is ” hey – meatball , stop dog fucking and get back to work ” . LOL
Hog, that one made my day.
Fuck, I can’t wait to get back to Halifax and smoke a fat J.
Awe, Hog I’m sorry to hear that.
Cheer up!
At least you have pot and a job:)))
HAHA P&B I count myself lucky . On both parts LOL !!! Lehova – yep man – nothing like smoking a fat J !!!
heh, I miss those types of work environments hog.
Completely realizing how that sounds = )
Not rude at all FA !! 🙂 I couldn’t work in an office. I’d be trying to escape outside the whole day !! Then I would go stir bugs and need a ride to the NS !!
hehehe, True dat : )
Summers the best !! Winter can kinda be a bitch !! But I would still rather be outside !!
I’m just sitting here trying to think of something that IMO is a gross as yogurt.
So I believe I would rather give a handjob to a syphilitic elephant, then eat yogurt.
Or any of that other creamy crap,riccotto cheese,curds,buttermik, hell milk of any kind……yuck !!!
Just the thought of that stuff makes my guts cringe, & I want to gag !
Give me pizza & beer, & let all of it be cold !
a big hunk of ham, roast beast with a bloody centre, chili that’ll make your forehead sweat even if its ice cold.
I suppose if you put a dollup of yogurt into a bowl of volcano chili, I might be able to eat it…if I didn’t know, & couldn’t taste it.
More ! One word for grosser ! TOFU !!!
more you don’t like stuff like mascarpone; goat cheese ; cream cheese ; shit i live on that stuff
While most of Grace’s comments are correct it’s worth noting that you can’t become immune to antibiotics. The bacteria they are designed to fight develop resistance to the antibiotics, rendering them ineffective.
Here’s a good explanation:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.…
You’re absolutely right, Miles. Wrong choice of word. You do build up a resistance to it. That is why larger and stronger doses are prescribed. So we do somewhat become” immune” to the weaker strains of antibiotics.
BTW, Miles, that is one of my favorite sights. Good read.
Grace: I guess I might be unclear about what you mean by “you build up resistance to it”. The antibiotic does not act on YOU, it acts on the bacteria. There’s nothing for you to build up resistance to. As far as I know, your body does not change the way it handles or metabolizes the antibiotic over time so the only thing that changes is how resistant the bacteria have become. The sensitivity of the bacteria to the antibiotic is the only thing that should determine how much or what kind of antibiotic you will be prescribed. People who have recurrent or persistent infections will likely require stronger doses or different antibiotics because of the emerging resistance of the infecting bacteria.
Sorry if it sounds like I am splitting hairs or nitpicking about word choice, but I think it is important to clarify the issue since antibiotics and bacterial infections are subjects being talked about with increased frequency. People should be aware of how these drugs work and how/why drug resistance among bacteria actually occurs.
The bacteria become resistant, better Miles? Sometimes, it is easier to spell it out in laymen terms.
“People who have recurrent or persistent infections will likely require stronger doses or different antibiotics because of the emerging resistance of the infecting bacteria.”
Miles this is were we part company. I understand this statement. Yet, as I’ve mentioned further up/down in this thread, far too many people, especially children, are being over prescribed these antibiotics. This leads to the bacteria building up a resistance, which in turn can/will lead to higher and more potent antibiotic. (there happy?)
Please take the time to read Fallingangels post. I too, know many families where young children have been compromised by their good intentioned doctors. Fallingangel took it upon herself to get informed and opted out of her doctors advice. With very positive results. You do not put an infant, on antibiotics for the first 3 yrs of it’s life.( yes, there may be rare exceptions) Thank goodness for this wise mother, seeing to the welfare of her child.
We all need to be better informed about the pharmaceuticals we take, whether prescribed or over the counter.(besides, I’m against making them richer) There are many known alternatives for combating diseases, so why not start with the least invasive?
I don’t actually think we are in disagreement on the issue of over-prescribing antibiotics. Clearly they are overused and that has lead to the emergence of multi-drug resistant strains of bacteria that are plaguing our hospitals these days. That’s not the fault of the antibiotics though, or the bacteria…just our poor practices with respect to the use of the drugs. However, I do think that the side effect of destroying normal gut flora does not outweigh the benefit of eliminating potentially life-threatening infections. As you mentioned above, supplementing your diet with some probiotics during and after antibiotic treatment can help offset those side effects.
I’ve read FA’s comments and I remember he mentioning the issue previously as well. We really don’t have enough information to say whether or not prescribing antibiotics to her kid was indicated. It most likely wasn’t, but until I hear the whole story (which I don’t expect FA to share) then I’ll reserve judgement on the doctor.
On the subject of natural health (re: your book reference), keep in mind that penicillin (and several other antibiotics) is a natural product produced by the mold Penicillium chrysogenum. At what point does something become a pharmaceutical and no longer a natural medicine? It can’t be the process of refining and bottling it for sale because then all those vitamin supplements would have to be classed as pharmaceuticals too. Speaking of which, how much money do you spend on natural medicine (naturopathic doctors, vitamins, probiotics, herbal remedies, etc) each year? Pharmaceutical companies aren’t the only ones getting rich but they are the only ones who have to PROVE that the products they sell do what they claim they do.
Hey Miles, could you just clarify what you mean by the following:
“We really don’t have enough information to say whether or not prescribing antibiotics to her kid was indicated.”
I’m not sure I understand what you’re saying.
THanks
Without knowing what condition the doctor was trying to treat, it’s impossible for me to comment on whether or not antibiotics would have been useful. There are some situations where long-term antibiotic use might be warranted such as people with immunodeficiencies or on immunosuppressive treatments (chemotherapy, organ transplants). Also, certain bacterial infections require longer courses of antibiotics (leprosy, tuberculosis, lyme disease) than most acute infections.
I don’t mean for my comments to undermine your research or your decision, especially if your child is healthy now. I just wonder if the treatment the specialist suggested was meeting the standard of care for whatever condition your child had.
Do the medical journals recommend that course of antibiotic treatment? If so, why? What are the alternatives? We don’t know the answers to these questions. I said that you do and made your decision based on that. Even if you were right, it doesn’t mean the doctor was wrong. Often treatments involve risk-benefit analysis. For you it seems as though the risk of long term antibiotic use outweighed the benefits of taking them. The doctor disagreed. I was just curious why. Maybe he’s a quack, but maybe he had some evidence to support his treatment decision.
By the way, I don’t expect you to explain your situation further. Your privacy is more important than this discussion.
Thanks Miles, It’s not so much the privacy issue, more the length of the history that would go into explaining all the details, including the ones you mentioned above.
I completely respect what you are saying, and agree, and in no means do I think the doctor was a quack. The treatment for this condition, from my understanding with talking to doctors, is actually controversial amongst themselves.
The condition they wanted to put her on antibiotics is called Vesicoureteral Reflux http://familydoctor.org/online/famdocen/ho…. This can be completely harmless to a child; pending proper precautions are made i.e. checking for bladder infections at the very first sign (the doctor informed me that you have about 24 hours to start treatment before damage can be done). Now, the important issue at hand to keep in mind is that children who have this and get regular bladder infections may need to take completely different steps then what I did. My Daughter has only ever had one bladder infection, the one that led to the discovery of this condition.
Taking into account a doctor’s perspective, they don’t know who I am, and what precautions I am going to take to prevent any damage from occurring, so of course the doctor I went to is going to prescribe this solution. Without proper monitoring, serious repercussions can occur. That is why in no means I consider the doctor a quack. However to add to the history, my daughter had bad reactions both times taking the antibiotics which led me to insist on an allergy test that apparently didn’t exist, and then when I was in to finally get this tested, I made the decision to discontinue the test even though said doctor persisted that he wasn’t convinced she was allergic.
And in defence to that doctor, he hadn’t seen the previous two reactions, one with her ending up in an emergency room, so when in the very first and very minimal dosage, her skin broke out around her mouth, and on her chest (exactly how the reaction began the other two times) I stopped the test against the doctors best judgement and decided not to go with the other doctor’s best judgement and put her on antibiotics until she was four.
This brings me to my point. I had gone out of my way to make sure I was giving my daughter the proper care and to assure the doctors that she was receiving this care. I realize that doctors probably have to deal with countless amounts of people saying their kids have issues when they don’t or vice versa, but because of these “bad seeds” when parents do come in with legit concerns, they are unheard. I would guess that this results in the over prescribing of many more medicines then just antibiotics. I say to a doctor “I have legitimate concerns from previous experiences, and past family history of having a hard time taking medication, I would like to research alternative options, what are those options” . They hear “here is another herbal medicine quack that refuses to take medication” and dismiss me. And for the record, I am not an herbal medicine crazy, I do believe in medication, but I feel the few bad seeds have shunned a balanced approach on this matter.
sorry for the lengthiness of that last comment 🙁
I appreciate you taking the time to explain. I also really appreciate your understanding about the medical profession and how/why miscommunication and differences of opinion can occur. I think your handling/understanding of the situation is a good example of how patients and doctors can work together to best manage their care. The doctor doesn’t sound out of line in his treatment plan, but could have done a better job listening to you and your concerns, especially regarding the reactions to penicillin. A second opinion was certainly a good idea. I’m glad it worked out for you.
Medicine is like any other profession with examples of misconduct and unprofessionalism everywhere (Just think about lawyers, mechanics and contractors). It’s just important not to write off the whole profession because of a few bad apples.
Doctors need to be constantly aware that they are treating people as well as diseases/injuries. Answering questions and addressing concerns is as important as knowing what prescription to write. If you have a doctor that won’t at least acknowledge your concerns, then I don’t think he/she’s doing their job…even if they are extremely competent when it comes to treatment plans.
Also, as much as doctors can be guilty of not listening to their patients, the opposite is also true. People have access to a lot of poor quality information these days and doctors often complain about having to deal with people showing up with stacks of articles for them to read. Sometimes this information is from good sources, but it’s completely out of context. Although the doctor may work for you (as Grace said) it’s worth remembering that they probably have more experience and training in medicine than you do. It’s one thing to track down an article in a medical journal, but it’s another thing all together to be able to properly critique that article and place its conclusions in the context of an entire medical field.
I couldn’t agree more.