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Anyone notice that the news is filled with death and destruction these days?
I know it never used to be like that. I was reading CBC.ca and it’s just all filled with this bombing here.. and that dying there.
—Scary World
This article appears in Feb 19-25, 2009.
42 Comments
“I know it never used to be like that.”
Yeah, right.
i’m sick of reading about dead soldiers. more concerned with how many innocent civilians our “brave” soldiers are murdering.
Stupid fat—- First what kinda name is that??? And second–nobody wants to hear about dead soldiers, but shit happens and it sucks, this is life. But to have you disrespect somebody who has died trying to save the lives of his friends and, hell while he’s at it help some poor afghan kid means that you have no morales and your parents really fucked with your head you poor, poor excuse for a man!!!
Get fucked!!!!!
uh, wow.
Stupid Phat- The only reason you can come on a siite like this and express your views without persecution is because all those”dead soldiers” you are sick of reading about. Not sure if you said what you said because you really think that way, or you are just trying to get a rise out of people on this site.
Either way, read a history book, and look at the freedoms you have, they didnt come from weaklings like you, they came from Brave Soldiers!!
This war=peace and freedom party line is a crock of shit. Most books about war are HIS-story. War is a BUSINESS…
“Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity.”
Here we go again with the idealist generalities.
If I love peace I’m told to thank a veteran, does anybody have any living relatives from the War of 1812 that I can hook up with? Thanks in advance.
I think we should always hear both sides of the story, as well as never turn our back on the issues that affect us, regardless if you don’t want to hear about them. To fly off the handle at someone for saying that we need to hear about what we’re actually doing over there (here’s lookin’ at you, kilo), either good or bad is ignorant. So SP makes a strong, if not unpopular, point. Would you want to support your troops if they were committing war crimes? Not to mention too, how big are we? Going into a theatre where we outnumber the combatants 3 to 1 (NATO forces to Taliban combatants), not mention remote controlled bombs and vehicles versus 25 year old RPGs and crudely designed bombs. Yeah, they’re real brave. There’s nothing fair about that.
There is no good reason for war. Watching the propaganda on the news is adding to the problem too… It’s all about the $$$. Throw away your tv and buy local.
Problem solved.
Alright Brunswick Street Baby. Here’s a hypothetical situation for you.
Let’s say you are the king (or queen) of country X. The king of country Z decides to impose their religion on the people of your country, so they invade and impose rules, kill and rape women and children from your country.
How do you suppose you’re going to stop them? Are you going to try having peaceful negotiations with King Z? Do you think King Z will listen to what you have to say?
Without war, how are you going to stop King Z? Please tell me, I’m dying to know. You’re not suggesting I “throw out my TV and buy local” are you?
If you don’t support the machine, it will stop, and kings and queens don’t run anything anymore darlin’, Corporations do.
If you don’t watch tv, you won’t be so brainwashed into believing you need to buy more stuff, effectively diverting money,(power), away from the evil, warmongering multi-national Corporations. Think about it, not giving up your personal power, can help prevent nasty people from using it for things you don’t approve of. By buying local, you get to see where the money goes and support people or things that are good and healthy, ie: NOT war.
That being said, I would fight in an instant, for my family, but never for any government. If Canada ever was to get invaded, (perhaps unlikely given its size?), it’s off to the woods for us!
So, you would fight in an instant, but ‘not for any government’; but in my hypothetical question, you are the government. So you’re effectively engaged in war to stop the threat. So… where’s your message of peace you were talking about earlier?
If Canada was invaded and Canadians were being murdered by the thousands, instead of fighting for your freedom and rights, you’d run off to the woods?
I gues the OP never heard the adage “If it bleeds it leads”.
As for the rest of the garbage some are spouting. Lets take the cops off the streets because hey “it’s none of our business, it’s the other neighbourhood, or the guy next door is just beating his wife but no one else”, or “since they have cars and weapns they’re just working for the corporations”.
I do not see professional soldiers (of any country) hiding behind civilian populations or forcing them into areas where they should be, using them as shields.
And there is never any reason for war? Danke mein fraulien. You have proven that that statement is idiotic. While there is evil in the world, soldiers (all services) and police officers will be needed. Thank God, yes I said God, we have some of the most professional ones in the world. I wonder if she got my sarcasm when I used German there.
BSB— why don’t you go run off into the woods now, through your reasoning, you shouldn’t be typing anything on a computer… you’re supporting a multinational corporation. That corporation may or may not fund a government through significant corporate taxes, which in turn, may fund war. Like it or not lady, by living in a country such as Canada, your tax dollar funds events such as Afghanistan. It’s the result of living in a democracy. I do have a serious question, what kind of political system do you think we should use? Democracy, or some sort of Marxist invention?
Bastard, Your hypothetical question is unanswerable in any logical fashion due to the ridiculous suggestion of royals being of any consequence whatsoever. That’s just stupid. I’m talking one on one fighting, to protect my family. Message of peace? I think war is bad, period. I don’t really care if you love your neighbor or not.
“If Canada was invaded and Canadians were being murdered by the thousands, instead of fighting for your freedom and rights, you’d run off to the woods?”
Should I instead bring my whole family to the city to get picked off with the rest of the sitting ducks? These days, it seems more like we need to fight with our own government for our freedoms… (We’ll be off to the woods war or not.)
And as for you Bro, if you’re trying to sound all intelligent with your oh so cutting sarcasm in German there, do try and spell properly next time, eh? Did I say we don’t need cops or soldiers? No, I said that war is unnecessary. You said:
“I do not see professional soldiers (of any country) hiding behind civilian populations or forcing them into areas where they should be, using them as shields.” Now THAT statement is idiotic! Wtf would you even know about it? Stuff like that does happen. There are some messed up people out there, professional soldiers included. You’ve got lots of words but not so much to say. If anyone wanted to hear nauseating bullshit like you’re spouting, they would be watching CNN.
Fever, I missed your post earlier.
I am running off to the woods sooner than later. I do research on the things I do buy, and the internet is invaluable for this. New tech, and new ways of interacting are needed, I must have my computer.
“Like it or not lady, by living in a country such as Canada, your tax dollar funds events such as Afghanistan. It’s the result of living in a democracy. I do have a serious question, what kind of political system do you think we should use? Democracy, or some sort of Marxist invention?”
I was born here, and I don’t want to support sanctioned killing anywhere.
I would support a native government. You know… the aboriginal people who were here on turtle island first?
BSB– Alright, that’s fine… so you would support a theocratic/despotic institution then? Do you have any idea about the history of our Aboriginal peoples and the wars they waged against each other? Secondly, like it or not, your tax dollars do support killing in your sense of the term.
“…question is unanswerable in any logical fashion due to the ridiculous suggestion of royals being of any consequence whatsoever.””
No, BSB, my question isn’t unanswerable. You’re just too full of your own bullshit to logically process a simple concept and instead side step my question with pseudo-intellectual nonsense because you’re too narrow-minded to face the truth.
“I would support a native government. You know… the aboriginal people who were here on turtle island first?”
You know, I was going to counter argue pretty much everything you said, but after reading that I realized you’re an idiot, or a troll.
You know guys some people have no clue as to what the world is never wore a uniform and are insulated against the horrors out there. They’re not willing, able, or maybe just blind. They have no idea how lucky they are that the’re in one of the few countries in the world where they can move freely about (no “Papers sir or ma’am, if they even get that consideration), able to get a higher education if they wish, go to any church, mosque, synagogue, etc.
But then again these freedom fighters who put three planes into three buildings and an attempt into another were of course totally justified in doing so and we shouldn’t do anything in response, because in some strange way it was our fault.
BSB what exactly would you fight for?
All I want is for people to respect the dead no matter what fucking views that they have…Here’s to pissing on you grave SP!!
And to fever, which you are obviously in. I am not suggesting that war is good or that it is bad just saying that people have died and the way that stupid wrote his comment is intolerable. You should respect the dead, period. Now as to say I’m flying off the handle at him is ridiculous, Fucktard! Nobody in my comment wrote that, we need to stop allowing people to see what is happening over there! As a matter of fact, I want people to know that the, “So called really bad things”, as one person said to me recently, are actually normal during a war. It’s called collateral damage and it is impossible to stop. And the things that the “Taliban” are doing is out and out wrong, I mean WOW. But enough of the savages that are killing Canadians…. what were you saying you trivial fuck???
BSB,
What kinda hippy are you, SEX AND DRUGS!
So by way of your thinkning “I would support a native government. You know… the aboriginal people who were here on turtle island first?” ***Now were you saying that as a question or a statement?*** You are actually saying that we as people, all descendants from the Middle eastern region( This is where all species can be traced to) have a right to govern here, good. I’m glad we cleared that up.
You are a prime candidate for Stem cell research!!!
Correction to last …this is where our species can be traced to…
BTW, if you had the option to chose an aboriginal government your people would lose. That “government” failed once all ready so why you would think that sort of leadership is best for your safety and happiness is beyond me. Just crack a history book to see what would happen. And have you seen what goes on on those reserves? Issue of the day is ‘human trafficking’. Oooo I want those leaders running the show, uh huh. *rolls eyes*
OP, congratulations! You’re a grown up now favoring a meaningful, albeit discouraging, news broadcast over cartoons and other frilly fiction. We hardly ever find feel-good stories to be newsworthy. The news hasn’t changed. You have. Give yourself a pat on the back then learn how to swallow it all without taking the world’s problems onto your shoulders. By the time you master that you should be ready to run for office. I hope the bad news doesn’t always discourage you but instead inspires you to make a difference.
KAY, WHAT THE FUCK!?!?!?!
Do you seriously think that the Natives of this country chose to live on reserves?? What goes on there (I’m assuming you are refering to drug and alcohol abuse, as well as high suicide rates etc??) is a direct result of the effects that residential schools had on the Native population.
When an entire generation of people are taken from their families and forced to speak a language that is not theirs, practice someone else’s religion, and witness undescribable abuse, how exactly do you think they would come back from that when the government essentially closes the schools and says, “Alright, you’re free to go… have fun!!”
Every single person who was subjected to this abuse should have been offered a lifetime of compensation and I believe that if this was going on with “white” children, someone would have had to be accountable long, long ago.
I think the Native community had a pretty good system in place before the Europeans decided to come and make it their own, based on the reading and studying I have done in the past.
Kilo– just because we’re killing the “bad” guys does not make it right. If what we’re doing is just and right, then we need to be just and right in our execution. Collateral damage, indeed. You make the death of innocents sound like they don’t matter. Who is respecting the dead now? Oh, by the way, not all of us are decedent of a “middle eastern” religion. We are a long way away from tribes of Israel. Finally, our “species” can be traced to Africa, not the middle east.
IPNAC– While I do not condone what happened on the residential schools, if the reason for all the despair in that society can be traced to that one event, I don’t feel that that is the only reason. If that was the case, why is it that when somebody of the aboriginal community leaves the community and becomes educated, they are shunned? Finally, if you feel a government based on nature-worship and fear of spirits can govern, you’re about 1000 years too late.
Coffee, yes the things that they have seen,(that certain generation) are disgusting. But the reference to now, most reserves are very corrupt and are run poorly. It comes down straight to the fact that the people who live on reserves are genereally speaking poorly educated because the system…blah, blah. Natives aren’t to blame but they aren’t fixing it either!!
Sorry just the truth. As much as it pisses me off to agree some what with kay.
Yes, you probably do need a coffee. Hey, I didn’t nor did you cause harm to the native way of life when the Europeans showed up or any time after that. My point is their way of life could not withstand the white man… still can’t! Imagine if it had been Taliban! The point is the native way of life was practical in all ways except in those that would protect a society and their culture. It’s not fair but that’s way it happened and we always look to history to accurately predict the future. No amount of wishing nor standing by modern day principals is going to change that.
Fever you are retarded, look who is all screwed up on his facts. I never said it was alright that these people died as collateral damage I just said that it happens. Now that they are dead, they should be treated humainly and kindly. I am not against fighting and killing in the sense that soldiers must, but when the enemy is dead, he no longer is your enemy, it is the body a dead human that deserves good and descent behavior! Read the original comment and get over yourself!
It is FACT that all mankind are from the middle east. Nobody was talking about religion until you brought it up. There were three different stocks of man. Unknown as to whether or not they started as one and then through evelution had changed but the fact remains that we ALL came from the same part of the world, way back when when stupid people got stoned!
Wake up
Kilo: I see your point and I do agree with you to a certain extent, however with the lack of involvement from our government over the past 50+ years, how are they going to pull it together on their own? I guess I just find it completely depressing that some people expect the Native community to solve all of their own problems when they stemmed from our wrong doing in the first place.
I guess I’m going to have to leave it at that. I could talk about this all day. I just think that we should be able to offer a little more support since we had no problem taking for ourselves for so many years (and we still are).
I mean, can you imagine what it would be like to have a land mass the size of Canada (!!) and have some white people come here and eventually tell you that you can have this small, shitty little piece of land to live on (reserves… like what the fuck is that?!!), while we benefit from industrialization and abuse the rest of the land for our own benefit?
Ugh!!!
Oh, and Kay, I agree with what you’re saying! we should be able to see that by being involved in the current war, we are doing exactly the same thing to another group of peoples. I think it is fucked up that we think we are so entitled that we can go wherever we want in this world, trying to “fix” everyones problems, no matter who we have to kill to get there.
Such an idiotic way of thinking.
We’re not “doing exactly the same thing”. As far as I know, none of the countries involved in the current wars intend to COLONIZE the countries they are invading.
…except for all that Middle East business. As far as I can tell that’s been a ‘religious war’ or ‘an imposition of culture’ having more in common with the early North American native wars than Iraq or Afghanistan invasions do. (the destruction of an entire society’s way of life)
Coffee, you probably just need a coffee. Good morning!
Do you think the OP is getting anything out of this?
Haha I know this discussion is very off topic!
By “doing the same thing” I mean imposing our views on other peoples. Obviously I know we aren’t trying to colonize, but I think we sometimes lose sight of the fact that we aren’t always right.
Wasn’t this post about the amount of violence we see on the news? Not about whether or not war is bad?
The fact is that we see more violence on tv and in the papers because for one, it sells, and second, because it keeps us in a state of fear. The more afraid we are of things like terrorism and child molestors, the less likely we are to step outside our boxes and find out about the real problems out there. Like corporate corruption, and the poverty rate in your hometown. Lately of course they haven’t been able to hide the fiscal crisis anymore, so they show even more violence in order to mask it as much as possible.
I read somewhere once that while violence was down in the US, the coverage of the violence had tripled. And then you add the internet. You can find out about every violent thing being reported all over the world. And if you can find it, that means local reporters can find it, which means it will show up in your local paper as well.
Paint it with a broader brush and notice the population isn’t getting any smaller so there are inevitably more instances of violence to report on. Yes, violence is newsworthy.
It’s could be kind of like what happened with gay men. Society pretended for so long that they didn’t exist and kept them in their closets that the vast majority of people thought, because homosexuality is now a tabled issue, that there are suddenly more gay men than ever. From a percentage standpoint there likely aren’t any more or less but our awareness of their issues is greater… and so are the number of related news stories.
I stand by my original post though, the OP is just starting to grow up and pay attention. Violence in the news isn’t new.
“You know, I was going to counter argue pretty much everything you said, but after reading that I realized you’re an idiot, or a troll.” Now that’s the pot calling the kettle black! Bastard fish, obviously you just don’t understand what we’re talking about, don’t pretend now, do some more research and actually think. Your question was stupid. Jump through your own hoop.
Kilo! You said, “What kinda hippy are you, SEX AND DRUGS!
So by way of your thinkning “I would support a native government. You know… the aboriginal people who were here on turtle island first?” ***Now were you saying that as a question or a statement?*** You are actually saying that we as people, all descendants from the Middle eastern region( This is where all species can be traced to) have a right to govern here, good. I’m glad we cleared that up.
You are a prime candidate for Stem cell research!!!”
What are you talking about you fuckwit? Sex and drugs? Keep your mind on topic here, KILO! Is your google button broken? It was a question, as in, “You know what I mean?”. Apparently not. Turtle island is North America.
And stem cell research? Wow. Clever.
Look at you ,”Your question was stupid!” You sound like a frustrated child who can’t figure out an answer. I know what we’re talking about you fucking idiot.
I’m not the one who said I’d support a Aboriginal/Native Government because they seem to have some sense of peace about them. If you look at the Iroquois or other Native tribes, they weren’t exactly the most peaceful people.
Many people on this board are making plenty of valid points, and you’re just too thick to comprehend them and instead respond with idiotic remarks such as. “Turtle island is North America.”, “Is your google button broken?”.
Yep that’s it everyone. We got ourselves an attention seeking troll. Wouldn’t be the first, definitely not the last.
Changing the subject again doesn’t mean that you have any idea about what were talking about. Did I say, “I’d support a Aboriginal/Native Government because they seem to have some sense of peace about them.”? NOPE, I didn’t say why. Answering to your idiocy is pointless, Bastard, you’re not saying anything worth the effort…
“Yep that’s it everyone. We got ourselves an attention seeking troll. Wouldn’t be the first, definitely not the last.”
Again the pot calls the kettle black. Last word junkie.
Kilo– what dimension do you live in? Fossil evidence shows shows the first identifiable Homo Sapiens (which, by the way, is our species) appeared about 130,000 years ago, in south east Africa, which, last time I looked, is nowhere near the “middle east”. Did you even know the term “middle east” did not exist until about 1780’s, when the US began fighting Barbary pirates on in the Mediterranean? The reason why I said the religion aspect is because that’s the stance the Christian Church takes. We all sprung from the Garden of Eden, in approximately 4000 B.C. in what is now modern day Israel. I don’t even know why I’m arguing the point, in all honesty, it’s completely off topic and you obviously want to believe what you want.
Fever
If you don’t beleive me ask someone in the anthropology dep. at Dal.
We can be traced back to the middle east, but even further back to Africa. The ‘look it up’ response doesn’t work here.
Look at the map:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recent_Africa…
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qi…
Kilo– you may be thinking about civilization or may have asked about civilization, because Iraq and the surrounding area are called the “cradle of civilization”, that’s ancient Babylon and Sumeria. Mind you, there’s been some recent evidence that shows that was a civilization along the Nile at approx. 10,000 BCE, and we have not trace of it due to the increasing size of the Sahara. But I digress…