Ok, I know this may be an unpopular thread given the back and forth regarding obesity on other threads, but I’m so mad I have to vent. My grandmother is 84 years old, has terrible osteoporosis, and is in dire need of a hip replacement. But the waiting list is OVER 18 MONTHS LONG. Her doctor told us it is because the system is over-run with people in their 30s and 40s getting joint replacements because they are so fat their joints can’t take all the weight. I’m sorry but my poor grandmother who’s lived well her whole life has to wait and suffer (can’t go outside this time of year because she might slip and fall) because people who are overweight are burdening the system. Unfair!
This article appears in Mar 6-12, 2008.
This doesn’t surprise me in the least. I got into a verbal free for all a few months back with a guy (in his 30s) who gave up smoking and gained over 150 pounds. When I said he exchanged one addiction for another, he got so pissed and defensive, it was sad. But it’s guys like him and all the other hefty/mega-weights who will be crippling our health care system with a condition that, for the most part, is preventable. Sorry about your grandma. She doesn’t deserve this after being a tax payer for so many decades.
fat people are tax payers too asshole!
Get a grip, princess. An 80+ year old woman has paid a hell of a lot more taxes than some 30 year old blubber ass.
Don’t smoke the joint OP or you’ll be scarfing down cookies like they might stop making them and possibly bump your grandmother further down the list.Just a little humour. Seriously though, that’s unfortunate.
So here’s the deal: I have a friend who’s up over 400lbs. She’s also diabetic. She’s taken off almost 60 pounds on her own since she was diagnosed diabetic a little over 1 year ago. She’s also been evaluated by a surgeon here in Halifax, and been told she’s a perfect candidate for gastric bypass surgery, which she desperately wants, because she wants to take the weight off, and she wants to improve her health. Now, here’s the kicker: No more gastric bypass operations are currently being done in the province of Nova Scotia BECASE THE PROVINCE HAS CUT THE FUNDING FOR THEM!!! Why? Here’s a woman who’s asking for help with her weight, and the province has basically turned it’s back on her too, along with that 80 y/o grandmother of the original poster. So please, don’t say overweight people are causing all the problems in today’s healthcare system! Because my friend has been asking for help in taking off her excess weight for almost a year, and the province isn’t helping her, either!
This might be small comfort but the half dozen people I knew who had this operation initially lost weight, then gained most of it back. The operation and recovery period is difficult, according to the prep class I attended for gastric bypass candidates years ago. It might be better if your friend continued dieting and exercising rather than go thru a risky surgery that may or may not work. There is no magic pill or scapel.
so matt are you and your sidekick poop the only ones allowed to make comments that are worthy here in this forum? I didn’t realize we all had to bow down and kiss your fucking ass or maybe its the fact that some new comers got their fucking comments published and you didn’t ? I’m not ready just yet to kiss your fucking ass whine boy. And no you are not the judge and end all comment person in this forum. STOP ADDRESSING ME and my comments. In other words matt fuck off!! Whine boy. Unless you actually work for the coast your comments go right where my shit does…the toilet! So please do us all a favor and stop being the fucking self appointed editor for the comments here eh? Get a paying job matt and fuck off!!
When I lived in Halifax I was on a waiting list 3 years long for a foot operation. My sister is now on a 4 month waiting list for an extremely serious issue which, if isnt dealt with soon, has the potential to make her very, very ill. When it comes to Canadian healthcare, wait lists are everywhere! I’m sorry about your poor grandma, but I think it’s really inappropriate and simple-minded that your doctor blamed the wait time for joint operations on fat people. How does he explain all the other wait lists for all the other medical ailments people need operations for?! The system is overrun for all kinds of reasons, and placing the blame on fat people is ridiculous..as if there are 18 months worth of fat people in line to get joint replacements! Think of how many fat people that would require! Has Nova Scotia suddenly experienced a massive population increase of fat folks??
Princess: You want matt to address your comments. That’s what gives you purpose on this board, and keeps you up at 3:10am writing on LTTWB. If it weren’t for matt, you’d have nothing.NMH: It’s unfair to blame the flaws in the healthcare system on those who are overweight. I have to wait 3 months for a simple ultrasound that will take all of 5 minutes’ time. I understand that my situation isn’t a medical emergency, but what about those who are in worse situations than mine? Do they also have a 3 month wait before getting in? (sorry to hear about your sister.)
cyber bullies are not really that diificult to diffuse. they are only scary if you empower them by getting irate with their abusive limited voca bulary . their lack of intelligence or the absence of wit are obvious . this exemplifies that there are not only defenseless in making a stinging reparte, they are also very predictable.so lure them into your lair with the apparent opportunity for you to be hurt by them, then build up your attack by hitting at every single phrase they use. you don’t have to be smart because “an idiot” like me…lol succeeded in making cyberbullies eat shit ALL THE TIME.you only have to destabilize them with double entendre that are way above their head. and as soon as they become defensive to say you are talking shit , or call out for help, poop poop, you go back in and destroy them because they have already been mentally defused.so go back in for the slaughter,,, no quarters… go for the jugularand then sit back and enjoy them licking up their own vomit.then leave them with a shovel to bury themselves.good luck princess. you’re doing fine.take on as many jackals that group behind to sniff at the cyberbullies ass. the more help they help, the more power you have… because it shows you are winning.lol .p,s. remember, even a dust bunny is more intelligent than me.so if i can take on a cyber bullies and all his snivelling anus sucking cohorts. what does that make them?just someone even dumber than someone who is less intelligent than a dust bunny? llllllllollllllllllllosers !cheers princess. you rule !
poop, you chose the right name for yourself . even an asshole wants to get rid of you. i wouldn’t want to insult that part of our anatomy by calling you such because assholes are useful. without it we would all be full of shit. then again, you wouldn’t be one to know its usefulness. like matt, you’re constipated and smelling right up to your brains.shame. but keep the name poop. it suits you. enjoy sniffing matt’s ass. it’s the only other thing you can do well. aspire to them, sweetie pie. mwa, mwa.
In Canada, 46 per cent of people who had a joint replacement in 2003-2004 were defined as obese, with a body mass index of 30 or higher, according to the Canadian Institute for Health Information’s annual report.
Princess, “fat people are tax payers too asshole!” is not exactly a worthy comment. Have some intelligent input or learn how to; with the trash you just wrote above it seems you might have some difficulties in expressing yourself in any intelligent way.Fat people may be taxpayers but they aren’t paying more into a system they are using with far greater costs than the averaged sized Canadian, which is bullshit. How would you feel if YOUR car insurance went up because every time an 18 year-old smashed their car through stupidity and speed? Not very fair right? Now replace car with body and speed with McDonalds…but leave the stupidity because lots of fat people are fat because they are selfish and stupid. Yes some have no choice being the way they are but the majority are weak and selfish, sure I am going to be flamed for saying it but it is the truth and fat people HATE to hear the truth about their problem that they have made everyone else’s problem…I am completely fed up with people defending such deplorable selfish individuals…they made themselves fat, no one else shoved those burgers and fries down the fat-asses throats.NMH…maybe the Doctor is closer to the situation and has a better understanding of the situation, it certainly seems that way to me and what if all those other wait-lines are overloaded with weight-caused issues? Obesity effects MANY aspects of health and not just a persons hips and the Healthcare system are ruined from it.
HAHA i love it, Princess! Figures, you’d resort to making comments about my nickname. Points for origionality! If you think i’m offended by those juvenile remarks, you’d better dig deeper. I chose this name because it’s not to be taken seriously. This is a message board, not real life. (I’ll spell it out for you: also not to be taken seriously.) Just incase you’re getting the two confused: I have another name in real life too! Crazy, i know..but if you can manage to get your head around it, it makes a lot of sense.Have a nice day trolling up the board.
”I am completely fed up with people defending such deplorable selfish individuals…they made themselves fat, no one else shoved those burgers and fries down the fat-asses throats.”Christopher, you are nasty. I had a close childhood friend who became fat, she lived 4 doors down from me. We’ve lost touch but I remember she was very skinny as a child and really depressed. I remember her father being a nasty, abusive asshole who, when angry, would go without speaking to his family for days. He used to come outside and scream at her to get in the house when she was playing with friends. She tried to kill herself twice before she was 14. Once she started to develope boobs, she also started eating. She put on weight quickly. Well it turns out that her father was doing more than just hitting her; he’d been sexually abusing her and her little sisters since she was little. She started eating to comfort herself, and because she wanted to hide her sexuality. Last I remember of her, she had turned into herself, ignoring all the usual teenage stuff like dating. So Christopher, is this a ”deplorable, selfish individual’?!!!!???Yes there are some people who are fat because they are lazy and selfish. But come the fuck on!! Don’t be so goddamn ignorant!!!
Oh, here we go again – trolling, trolling, trolling, keep those lame posts rolling…
Sir, before you go insulting Poop, why dont you try contributing something to the actual topic? Atleast Poop does.
Poop and Matt contribute a lot more to this board than Sir/Princess ever will. Pathetic loser would be a compliment to this toad.
“Dr. Spock made to an all-plant diet in 1991, after a series of illnesses that left him weak and unable to walk unaided. His wife, Mary Morgan, said that after he made the dietary change, he lost 50 pounds, regained his ability to walk and became healthier over all.” Dr. Spock’s Baby and Child Care, 1996 (New York: Pocket Books), p. 333.
Cheers TTFN / NMH..somone’s clearly got a very unhealthy obsession with messageboards..have you read that psychotic thesis up there? Who gave this guy a daypass?
And who took away his Ritalin? All that cackling can’t be good for him/her/it.
I think everyone should just tune Sir/Princess out, stop responding altogether. It sounds cliche, but if we ignore Sir/Princess/Whatever it decides to call itself next, it WILL go away… He/she’s a complete fucking knob who is clearly desperate for attention; if it doesn’t get it here, it will look for it elsewhere. God willing.
You’re right, qwerty. I’m done.
Perhaps we should be looking for deeper reasons why the universal healthcare system is in tatters. It is transfer payments. At it’s inception, the feds were contributing 25% to healthcare and now it has dwindled to 11%. Of course it means that there will be stiff competition for services, but it doesn’t have to mean that we should be picking and choosing who gets care and who doesn’t. Pick your favorite vice (smoking, over weight, aging boomers, or alzheimer’s patients, etc) to target as the ills that are affecting our system, but remember that all of that adds to the demise of the key word in our health care system … universality. Politicians and a lot of doctors in the field would love nothing better than a 2-tiered health care system and they are more than aware that it will lead to the complete destruction of our current system. Follow the money and stop falling for lobbyists’ divide and conquer efforts.
Ignore me or not I’m not going away just because assholes want me too. It think seriously you guys plan to do this to drive people away that come into your fucking little turf and God forbid if our comment gets published over yours…here is a hint if you want to be published to fucking bad get a job at the coast if you have your GED already?! I don’t scare easily and no this is not an open invitation to you fuckers to do so. I’ve already reported matt to the coast office and will continue to do so …now be fucking mature about it stop the childishness and go back to bitching!! NO I’M NOT LEAVING
Make as many names as you want, you seem to be very good at creating email addresses… stay go… report people ppl to the coast haha how does that even work? what did you say? FYI the coast matt is cursing at me online make him stop! even if they did u dont think hed be one here tomorrow as matt2 cursing you again?i feel bad posting this cause I agree you should prolly just be ignored, but look at what you posted “I’ve already reported matt to the coast office and will continue to do so …now be fucking mature about it stop the childishness”STOP being a child or I will tell on you…um ok…PLEASE dont report me but you sound like a hypocritical cunt
Why do you people even respond? Thats what those types feed off of. Just don’t do it.
No sweat, Matt. Check this out – I got it from the Flamers’ Bible. See how many apply to RB:The twelve commandments of flamingMake things up about your opponent: It’s important to make your lies sound true. Preface your argument with the word “clearly.” “Clearly, Fred Flooney is a liar, and a dirtball to boot.” Be an armchair psychologist: You’re a smart person. You’ve heard of Freud. You took a psychology course in college. Clearly, you’re qualified to psychoanalyze your opponent. “Polly Purebread, by using the word ‘zucchini’ in her posting, shows she has a bad case of penis envy.” Cross-post your flames: Everyone on the net is just waiting for the next literary masterpiece to leave your terminal. From rec.arts.wobegon to alt.gourmand, they’re all holding their breaths until your next flame. Therefore, post everywhere. Conspiracies abound: If everyone’s against you, the reason can’t possibly be that you’re a fuckhead. There’s obviously a conspiracy against you, and you will be doing the entire net a favor by exposing it. Lawsuit threats: This is the reverse of Rule #4 (sort of like the Yin & Yang of flaming). Threatening a lawsuit is always considered to be in good form. “By saying that I’ve posted to the wrong group, Bertha has libeled me, slandered me, and sodomized me. See you in court, Bertha.” Force them to document their claims: Even if Harry Hoinkus states outright that he likes tomato sauce on his pasta, you should demand documentation. If Newsweek hasn’t written an article on Harry’s pasta preferences, then Harry’s obviously lying. Use foreign phrases: French is good, but Latin is the lingua franca of flaming. You should use the words “ad hominem” at least three times per article. Other favorite Latin phrases are “ad nauseum,” “vini, vidi, vici,” and “fetuccini alfredo.” Tell ’em how smart you are: Why use intelligent arguments to convince them you’re smart when all you have to do is tell them? State that you’re a member of Mensa or Mega or Dorks of America. Tell them the scores you received on every exam since high school. “I got an 800 on my SATs, LSATs, GREs, MCATs, and I can also spell the word ‘premeiotic’ .” Accuse your opponent of censorship. Anyone who tries to limit your cross-posting or move a flame war to email is either a communist, a fascist, or both. Doubt their existence: You’ve never actually seen your opponent, have you? And since you’re the center of the universe, you should have seen them by now, shouldn’t you? Therefore, THEY DON’T EXIST! This is the beauty of flamers’ logic. Lie, cheat, steal, leave the toilet seat up. When in doubt, insult: If you forget the other 11 rules, remember this one. At some point during your wonderful career as a flamer you will undoubtedly end up in a flame war with someone who is better than you. This person will expose your lies, tear apart your arguments, make you look generally like a bozo. At this point, there’s only one thing to do: insult the dirtbag!!! “Oh yeah? Well, your mother does strange things with vegetables.” The Golden Rule of FlamingMy flames will be witty, insulting, interesting, funny, caustic, or sarcastic, but never, ever, will they be boring.
Love it, TTFN.
NMH must be a heffer she loves to defend fatsos.
It seems to me that all NMH was trying to say was don’t paint everyone with the same brush.
That is so hilarious TTFN…love it!!!NMH, how was my comment NASTY? I know this sounds heartless but your friend there that got all fat, she still did it to herself, instead of reporting him and going for the help she really needed she made the introverted and yes a little more than selfish choice of just eating. Did she ever report him, because if she didn’t…don’t you think that he is a great risk to re-offend?Yes; she is a victim but that does not immediately and effectively restrict her to just victim status, she made selfish choices and now she is at a weight that is a health risk and possibly allowed a pervert to go free (not confirmed). In the end it was still her choice, you see one of the problems with our western society is that we make everyone a victim that has to be coddled or delicately handled, this is gracious and caring for sure…but it goes too far. We absolve murderers because they we abused as children, so they are not to blame…which is the biggest steaming pile of BS. It’s time everyone accept the fact that just because a person is a victim doesn’t mean they are not accountable their own actions and choices.
Jesus Christ Christopher! There is a slight difference between a murderer and someone with a weight problem. Now you’re saying that victims of abuse should be held responsible for the action of not reporting the abuse! Well your boney ass must’ve had a pretty sweet life to make a judgement like that! You OBVIOUSLY have NO IDEA!
Kate, how much do you weigh? Anything over your ideal body weight is considered obese. The amount of weight determines the morbit obesity factor. So Ms. Kate what is your weight and height? NMH bravo honey !!
No Kate, I am not a ‘heffer’… I am 113 lbs, and 5 foot 4. I saw your comment on the last fat thread; what a genius contribution. This one’s just as good. You seem real bright, like.
And Christopher, I am done here. You’re an idiot.
And Christopher, I am done here. You’re an idiot.
bj’s points were spot on. The government is castrating the healthcare system by tightening the pursestrings. By not taking any real steps (reforming or increasing funding) to fixing the health care system, the government is ignoring its commitment to UNIVERSAL healthcare. Instead of being pissed off at the gov’t, we end up angry with smokers, or fat people, or old people…pretty much anyone but the people we should be mad with, the people who are creating the policies that are setting a wonderful system up for failure. All the while, the vultures are circling, looking for an opportuinity to turn a profit. Enter private clinics and 2-tiered health care offering you reduced wait times…for those that can pay. Anyone out there really dumb enough to think that you would save money by forking out cash to a for profit insurance company to cover your expenses at a for profit hospital, while at the same time paying taxes to cover an overtaxed healthcare system? I hope not, but here we are on our way to practically begging for a change that is sure to screw us over.
I am not an idiot because my opinions differ from you NMH, I am not an idiot because I refuse to buy into the whole “I am a victim, pity me!” bullshit. Call me names and disregard what I have to say…but it will never make the whole “Victim Status” perception that all victims are absolved of any guilt from any of their actions regardless of relevance to what made them a “Victim” any more reasonable than before.Lori, sorry if your perceptions skew what you read but I am not comparing all abuse victims as murderers you ass. I said exactly:”We absolve murderers because they were (fixed spelling mistake) abused as children, so they are not to blame…which is the biggest steaming pile of BS. It’s time everyone accept the fact that just because a person is a victim doesn’t mean they are not accountable their own actions and choices.”I said this as a perfect example of how people who have been labeled as VICTIMS are often absolved of any blame when it comes to the choices they make after being labeled. You are a complete and utter idiot if you got anything else out of that statement. Perhaps if you spent more time reading what was actually said and then thinking about instead of trying to just retort against an opinion that differs from your narrow perception of what is right, you might just come off as anywhere near intelligent rather than an emotionally impulsive bag.NMH, I hope that you are done here and everywhere else on this board, you are ridiculous and completely deserve and ask for all the abuse you receive here.Oh and for the record, I DO believe that a victim has an obligation to their peers and society to report abusive perverts. Come back to me after YOUR child has been raped by someone who could have easily been behind bars years before the next attack. Go put the horse blinders back on and stick your head back in that lovely hole in the ground where you can hide and pretend the world doesn’t go on without you.
No Christopher, YOU are ridiculous. Sorry you dont see it, but that’s your own loss.
Christopher, spoken like a true conservative. That doesn’t mean I do not agree with you generally, however, this might not be the best example to apply your theory. Abuse of any form can drive people to make self destructive choices whether it be abuse of food, alcohol, their own body etc. I agree the person does have to take some responsibility but they are also in need of professional help that they may or may not have access to.That being said there are likely a lot less obese people in that position than ones who just make bad choices. The majority of people generally make a concious choice to consume the burger and then sit on the couch watching reality TV for the next 6 hours. I agree we do provide excuses for the masses and the individual needs to be more accountable for their actions.TTFN, post of the year!As for the childish postings, and I’m only speaking for myself, it does have a negative effect on the overall enjoyment of the board. By and large though these posters are content to abuse each other but does that really make it OK …. it’s not my call. So far we are fortunate enough to have a relatively open forum. IMO, if things continue to decline here LTWWB may become a moderated forum and who know how that would work out.
“Christopher, spoken like a true conservative.”Is is a bad thing to be conservative? Or do you have to be super liberal to post on these boards????
Geez Kate relax with the absolutes. I simply made light of the fact one of Christopher’s posts was conservative in nature. I certainly didn’t slag off conservatism nor did I post what the political ideology of posters should be. Maybe you read A LOT too much into my post?To answer your questions, no, it’s not bad to be conservative. It’s also not bad to be a marxist, communist, socialist, liberal etc. That’s the beauty of democracy Kate. We are free to choose what we believe in and debate with others. I think the answer to your second question is plainly obvious.
I took no offense Raoul, and I must admit that depending on the subject I can vary between far right and far left. I don’t adhere to a specific camp so to speak, I just speak my mind and say what I personally feel. Other people on this board are not as open to others opinions as you are and I appreciate the intelligent input, sure beats the ineffectual and personal comments that seem to spew forth from the trolls.
You talk about people not being open to others opinions and say you’re not an idiot…yet because you don’t agree with mine or NMH’s perceptions YOU call names like “ass, idiot, bag, and troll” and then claim your input is intelligent??? Think about it!Also, I don’t completely disagree with the idea that Victims shouldn’t be held accountable for their actions. Like the guy that murdered his neighbors and is not held responsible because of his mental stability, a murderer is a murderer in my mind and should all be sentenced the same regardless of their sanity or lack of it, whether it be because of earlier abuse or not. But there is a huge difference between this and a victim who hurts themselves by over eating, doing drugs, etc. I am sorry you can’t see that Christopher!And if you’re going to say that they aren’t only hurting themselves…they’re hurting the health care, or society for not reporting the abuse….if you’ve never been abused then you have no idea how hard it may be to confront, or even that it could be impossible without professional help. So get a clue about sensitivity and come down off your high horse, I don’t think there are many people that share the thoughts you continue to spew forth on this bitch!
Excuse me Lori but we have had this convo before…I only open the guns when it is served to me first and it was YOU TWO who were jumping all over MY opinions because they differed from YOURS.Practice what you preach hypocritical trollStop taking what I say as generalized absolutes, because I clearly said it wasn’t everyone. You have not learned since the last time you and your troll friends tried stepping on my opinions with personal attacks. You and NMH are the ones cruising LTWWB attacking people about their postings, I merely stated what I thought without attacking anyone. I mentioned two people in my op and one was because the poster had spewed out a post that was 50% swearing, and I commented on NMH’s post without attacking her.It seems you two can’t take your own advice…go through the last 6 pages of bitches and you will see how hypocritical you two are and maybe you will start to realize you are not the LTWWB police but merely have become forum trolls.Oh and I never said victims of abuse were anywhere near as bad a murderers, actually I never even said they were in anyway connected other than as an example of how people in western society make victims totally absolved from their own actions.I have been abused thank you very much, I was in fact physically tortured at boarding school quite regularly so I thank you to eat your words. So I can see how hard it can be but what you don’t realize is that no matter how bad you feel or hurt, you have hands feet and mouth to communicate that to someone that can help…if only a little. So how about you getting that clue you say I don’t have and learn to stop assuming you know everything and realize you are not the Worlds authority of anything but being a hypocrite.
Many say obesity is a result of over-eating and not exercising. When actually it is thought to be more than that. Researchers, who have been published in International Journal of Obesity, say that yes these are two big causes of obesity, but other causes are linked to America’s obesity epidemic.Sleep debt. Getting too little sleep can increase body weight. Pollution. Body weight is controlled by hormones. Today’s pollutants affect our hormones. Air conditioning. You have the ability to burn calories when it is too hot or too cold in order to be comfortable. Today most people live and work in temperature-controlled homes and offices. Decreased smoking. Smoking reduces weight. Americans are smoking less than what they used to. Medicine. Many drugs (including contraceptives, steroid hormones, diabetes drugs, some antidepressants, and blood pressure medicines) can cause weight gain. Population age and ethnicity. Middle-aged people and Hispanic-Americans tend to be more obese than young European-Americans. Americans are getting older and more Hispanic. Older mothers. It has been proven that the older a woman is when she gives birth, the higher her child’s risk of obesity. American women are becoming moms later in life. Ancestors’ environment. Some influences may go back two generations. Environmental changes that made a grandparent obese may visit obesity on the grandchildren. Obesity linked to fertility. There is some evidence that obese people are more fertile than lean ones. If this is a genetic component, the percentage of obese people in the population should increase. Unions of obese spouses. Obese women tend to marry obese men. If there are fewer thin people around – and if obesity has a genetic component – there will be still more obese people in the next generation. Psychological factors may also influence eating habits. Many people eat in response to negative emotions such as boredom, sadness, or anger. The list of possible underlying conditions mentioned in various sources for Obesity includes: Overeating – see causes of overeating Physical disorders that may cause or exacerbate obesity include: Metabolic syndrome Hypothyroidism Familial obesity Cushing’s disease Cushing’s syndrome PCOS Edema Insulinoma Pseudohypoparathyroidism Prader-Willi syndrome Laurence-Moon-Biedl syndrome
” how about you getting that clue you say I don’t have and learn to stop assuming you know everything and realize you are not the Worlds authority of anything but being a hypocrite”- ChristopherChristopher, you are HARDLY one to talk. Because as everybody know, it is you who is the biggest, most-obnoxious, boring, uptight fucking knowitall on this site.
” how about you getting that clue you say I don’t have and learn to stop assuming you know everything and realize you are not the Worlds authority of anything but being a hypocrite”- ChristopherChristopher, you are HARDLY one to talk. Because as everybody know, it is you who is the biggest, most-obnoxious, boring, uptight fucking knowitall on this site.
Oops I didnt mean to post that twice.
That’s a lot of excuses to not get on a treadmill 30 minutes a day 4 days a week.
I can’t wait until some of you fat bashers hit middle age and discover that keeping the pounds off requires more than taking the stairs instead of the elevator and eschewing fast food. I’m 45, 5’6″, and 135 pounds. And it takes 3 hours of hard exercise every day, and constant vigilance over everything I put in my mouth to stay that way. And it gets harder every year.
Raoul, get over yourself. Nobody is making excuses not to excersise and live a healthy lifestyle. Perhaps you think I’m ‘coddling’ fat people with my list, but actually I’m just trying to point out that the issue of obesity is a little more complex than many people here seem to believe! When I see ignorant, hickish bitches with titles such as ‘Why Are Fat People So Obnoxious’ it makes me seethe. Miranda
Sorry Miranda, I was just going to say that I completely agree with you. Alot of people I know, guys especially, who were really fit in their early to mid 20’s have since put on weight around the waist and are now struggling to keep from gaining more, and these are people who eat well and live active lives. Cheers to you! 🙂
NMH, thanks for your recent posts, I agree totally.
Thanks Miles! 🙂
While I agree that some people are overweight or obese because of medical conditions, I think NNH’s laundry list is a bit far-fetched. Sure, I’ll bet there are a few people out there who have a weight problem because they suffer from Prader-Willi syndrome or Cushing’s syndrome. However, I think it’s ridiculous to blame an obesity epidemic on a few relatively obscure conditions. Also smoking does not reduce weight – many people gain weight when they stop smoking because they replace cigarettes with food. And I find it very hard to believe we’re getting fatter as a society because we heat and cool our homes. I think the majority of cases of obesity are caused by one of two conditions: Eat-too-much-itis and Don’t Move Enough Disorder.
Umm, yeah Newsgal, it’s not my list. I’m an engineer, not a doctor. I got it from my friend’s medical book (she’s the doctor), shame I didnt write down the title when I was visiting. But I’ll find out and forward it on to you, so you can write the author and let he or she know how ‘far-fetched’ you think it is, since we all know what an expert you are.
Why do you have to be like that – condescending and sarcastic? I don’t think I deserved that. When I said “your” list, I mean the one YOU posted. I didn’t assume you were the author.You really seem to get your back up when someone challenges you…
And for the record, I have to question the research that suggests obese women are more fertile. That contradicts everything I’ve read on that matter. Some examples:”Obese women have more infertility and are less successful at conceiving than women of normal weight. Once pregnant, obese women are more likely to have complicated pregnancies and are less likely to have a live born baby because of a higher rate of miscarriage, ectopic pregnancy and stillbirth. The babies born to obese women are more likely to die in the first month of life.”Source – American Society for Reproductive Medicine”An obese woman’s likelihood of conceiving steadily decreases as her body mass index (BMI) increases.” Source – JAMA
That’s the problem Newsgal, where the issue of obesity is concerned, there are lots of contradictions. As I stated above, nobody is making excuses not to excersise and live a healthy lifestyle. I’m just trying to point out that the issue of obesity is a little more complex than many people here seem to believe! Your repeated suggestion of choosing the apple over the burger as a means to solving the issue is patronizing and simplistic, which is why I reply to your posts with the tone I do. Have you read some of the nasty, ignorant posts here and in the other bitch ‘Why Are Fat People So Obnoxious’? Did they not bother you??? Regardless of the fact I am thin and fit, I take extreme offense to the nasty, ignorant, hicklike things I have read. You, on the other hand, seem to condone them!
And speaking of condescending, Newsgal, you’re hardly one to point the finger!
Don’t mind NMH. She’s just an asshole who always has to be right and always has to get the last word in…
Nice contribution Teddy. You’re deep.
Well, you do resort to name-calling or sarcasm anytime someone doesn’t share your point of view…
Right, ok. Do you happen to have an opinion on anything besides my sarcastic tendencies?? Maybe you should start contributing somewhere to an actual topic being discussed, and then we can see how you come across. It’s a little hard to believe that someone who never comments on anything bitch posted here, suddenly sets up a profile for the purpose of calling me an asshole! But likely you DO contribute here on a regular basis, only under a different name..
Thanks. You just proved my point…
P.S. NMH + Miranda = Same person…
Oooooooooh!!! Good one!!! (note my sarcastic tone)
Whatever you say Newsgal/Mrs C/Teddy. Don’t try to deflect. Just because you do it…
hmmm… a seemingly new poster, with an unexplainable grudge against a regular poster, posting a bunch of comments in a 10 minute span but saying exactly NOTHING… *gasp* Could it be… Princess? Busted again, weirdo.
Jesus. Will this guy just die already?? he’s like a fucking cockroach or something.
This forum needs a troll trap. Looks like we are good for bait though.
Ms. C and Teddy may indeed be the same person, but please don’t lump me into that mess too. Quite frankly I don’t have the time (or energy) to juggle a bunch of email addresses and aliases.I’d also like to note that although I might express views that aren’t always popluar, I never resort to name calling or personal attacks.
…Or a siren-like warning (I like “TROLL ALERT”) to indicate to all the sensible posters to abandon a post when a troll wanders into our midst…
Funny, the last bitch about obesity resulted in Mrs. C. jumping in just as newsgirl left… this post about the exact same damn topic has a mysterious Teddy jumping in again as newsgal leaves. What has happened to Mrs C. since that last post because she seems to have disappeared as quickly as she came? I’m guessing that if they aren’t all the same person, as newgirl has stated, then Mrs. C and Teddy are her coworkers and/or friends. Coincidence that they all have a problem with NMH and seem to have the exact same point of view? I doubt it!
I don’t have a problem with NMH. We have opposing views, but that’s the beauty of a forum like this. They’d be awfully boring if we all agreed on every thread.I have no idea who Ms. C and Teddy are – they are neither my friends nor my colleagues. And I’m pretty sure I’ve seen Ms. C. commenting on other threads on this board.Lynn you and NMH share similar views, and have posted on the same threads. Should we assume you and her and one and the same?
And just out of curiosity, Lynn, why had you assumed I had left this thread? Because I was in meetings all day and wasn’t glued to the website?
Fair enough… I was referring to the last post on the same topic which for whatever reason you never came back to. Its just weird that these people seem to pick up where you leave off on the same topics with the same opinions and no other real contribution… maybe they are fascinated with you or maybe I’m just looking for a good conspiracy theory to spice up the day! You don’t find it odd in the least?
I hadn’t given it any thought to tell you the truth. The last thread turned into a childish forum of “I weigh this much, so tell me, and I fat???”, so I bowed out.I’m assuming Teddy is just a troll with a little too much time on his hands, trying to shake things up a bit.
Teddy is one of many, many names used by this Princess creature – if you look through some of these posts (which I have time to do because I have a ridiculously easy job and I’m usually done my work for the day at 10am), they are very, very easy to identify. They’re written VERY poorly and are extremely childish. One of the names will post about 20 comments in 10 minutes, then the next name will do the same, usually agreeing with comments of the previous name. It’s all very strange. I’ve found that id you call them on it, they disappear altogether, at least for a few hours.PS Newsgal is clearly NOT one of them.
It’s all very bizzare and a little bit creepy!
Totally creepy, yet somehow fascinating at the same time… I keep trying to imagine what kind of person would actually do something that weird, day after day… And thinking they’re so intelligent but are so amazingly stupid, it just blows my mind.
Wow. I have only been posting here recently (and not daily) but geez, I’d hate to see this bitch board shut down because of some pissy little malcontent. Most of you people are quite sharp, eloquent and passionate. I had no idea there was a 1) battle to be printed in next week’s Coast or that 2) people can switch identities here so easily. I am always The Beav here. If I see an impostor Beav, I will make it known that it isn’t me. I have no problems with any of the personae I’ve encountered here. Most of you are quite nice, even when you disagree. I think some fat people could stand to lose a little weight, the old fashioned way, by way of good old portion control and some exercise. That is all.
I dont get why this LOL/Princess person feels the need to have so many different handles.. why go to all the trouble? I dont care if someone disagrees with me..that’s the beauty of this anonymous site. If I want to say something else, I say it with my own handle, NMH. I’m not Miranda, I only meant to address her, but instead hit the send button too early. And if I was Lynn, well I’d just write like that all the time! (compliments to you, Lynn)
…and it looks like we have a new one.You can change your name, and certain aspects of your phrasing, but your writing style (using that term as loosely as possible) is unmistakable. I hear you, NMH. I can’t imagine being that insecure.
I think it’s pretty obvious to us ‘regulars’ who the posers are. Call it instinct. Let’s agree to disagree and be done with it. You can’t escape the trolls but you can sure as hell ignore them.