What is it with the men in this city? There was a time when men would let women get on the bus first and women with children in tow would be given priority consideration. I ride the bus a lot and I am appalled with the males of this city who push in front of senior citizens, young school girls and university students of the fairer sex. OK, maybe they are all “liberated” but this male never heard of good manners going out of fashion. Some of our visiting university students should remember that they aren’t at home anymore and women are not chattel here. When in Rome do as the Romans do! —Gus Who Rides The Bus
This article appears in Feb 17-23, 2011.


Senior Citizens and pregnant women or women with children I can understand, but an able bodied woman doesn’t need to be let on the bus first or given someone’s seat just becuase she has a uterus and breasts.
And I say this as a woman.
Are you kidding me?
In what way is getting on the bus before a girl considered ungentlemanly? I mean if he’s pushing her outta the way or something, then sure, he’s a dick, but come on man. Like. >_> I mean, I’m totally polite and 9 times out of 10 I’ll let the girl get off before me, but it’s not because she’s a she, it’s because she’s a person. I don’t give a shit if it’s a man or a woman. If women wanna be equals, then they shouldn’t expect to be treated like queens by guys JUST because they’re women. I’m not saying that guys shouldn’t treat girls well, but don’t do it because it’s the chivalrous thing to do. Do it because you’re not an asshole.
You need to thank the feminist rights movement. You want to be equal, open your own damn door & since we’re now all centers of our own Universes, if your not moving fast enough be prepared to get run the fuck over.
Women are just as ignorant & miserable & uncaring & rude as any male out there.
You asked for equal treatment ladies…you got it.
Have a nice day ~;)
Wow does that ever speak volumes, to all those great guys out there. How does being a gentleman or a lady take away from wanting equal rights ,which of course are a crock . As a woman I find myself opening a door or giving up my seat to someone who needs it more than I.
I wish Gus who rides the bus could pass on some of his good manners throughout this city! Thanks from a gentle girl
Wherever I try to be chivalrous, it seems, I get dirty looks, and rolling eyes because as a woman, I can only assume, they are more than capable of being treated like everyone else and therefore don’t wan’t the special consideration you mention in this article.
It’s very frustrating.
I was raised with proper manners… it seems today’s young ladies are all feminazi’s who are eager to take whatever nice things a guy does and try to shine a negative light on it.
It is a shame, but if you are looking for a reason why, that’s it from my experience.
Are you fucking kidding me?
I’ve seen that myself where you try to be nice and open a door or even speak politely and your treated like some weirdo trying to hit on the person. 9 times out of 10 though i think most people appreciate the chivalry. As for Elderly and Children i tend to always give up my space for them as i’m more inclined to not be bothered of standing for long distances but never get annoyed at people who don’t.
More: Chivalry is dead because women want to be treated like human beings? (IE: The right to vote, equal pay, etc).
good manners are for all http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_6OgQP7XMujs/SuhW…
I refuse to give my seat up to women, children or the elderly figuring that women want to be equals, old people not gonna be around much longer, and kids gotta get used to standing some time or another.
Kidding. I drive a car instead. 🙂
Kidding again. NGF is well-mannered. Shit, I even kiss babies for photo ops.
“Some of our visiting university students” I think that GWRTB is trying not to sound racist (spelled correctly this time), and went a bit overboard.
CB, you made me think. I hope that chivalry is not dead, it’s nice.
I’m thinking that maybe we’ve been confusing pandering with chivalry. I’ll open doors for anyone who appears to need help. I’ll hold the door open for the person behind me. Drop something, I’ll help you pick it up.
I was walking towards a mall entrance today and there was a guy in front of me who was walking towards the door too. He started walking very slowly as soon as he saw me approaching the entrance, so I would get to the entrance first and open the doors for him! Now that’s un-gentlemanly. lol
i’ve bonked heads trying to help people pick up their stuff…good conversation starter
Chivalry is fucking HOT.
Don’t forget this, boys 😉
“Chivalry is fucking HOT.”
√√√√√ (that’s the most excellent rating, right PG?)
All the virtually warriors/knights out there…
maybe chivalry will make a comeback!
virtual warriors/knights = p
Hell i’m up for joust fights down spring garden.
I hold doors open for people still and call them out if they saunter in without saying thank you. One time going into Lulu Lemon I held it for PK and a father/mother who had their two kids. The family just walked by like entitled pricks and got big-eyed mighty fast when I barked, “YOU’RE WELCOME.”
Same thing happened today coming out of the TD. Some blue collar slob waited for me to open the door and didn’t even take it for himself but just walked in like I was a porter. It should be the other way around, greasy. Of course he didn’t look back or say anything when I barked at him.
I’ll gladly open a fridge door for a woman to make me a sandwich.
Does that count?
Yeah I don’t really see why I need doors open for me or able to get on the bus first just because I have a vaj… If anyone, a man or woman let me go first or opened a door for me, I would say thanks and wouldn’t get all pissed if it was a guy. It’s a nice thing a person can do for another person, not a nice thing a man is supposed to do for a woman. I hate woman who are all about “equality” but expect to never pay for dinner on dates with men, have doors opened for them by men and who just generally think that they need to be treated like royalty by a man because they’re a woman. How about you should be treated like you treat others? Like a bitch I remember a while ago, about a woman who was ready to call 911 on some guys who said something like “nice tits” to her or something because she was a WOMAN and the people yelling things at her were MEN and that the fact taht they were men and she was a woman made it a huge deal or something. You bet if a woman yelled “nice chest/ass” to a man, that man would not feel the need to call 911.
Holy Fuck! I could be waiting for the bus with twenty women. Am I suppose to wait till the last one gets on even though I’m in line? Of course I let ladies on in bad weather and always offer a seat.
I can be right by the back door to get off, but people pile off the bus like it’s on fire.
Ooooh, Balls. KA-Snap!
Nope.
Maybe kay would but no respect there. Go to Subway or Quiznos and you may get lucky 🙂
Try that crap around me Balls and all you’ll do is starve. Hahaha. You’ll be standing there collecting dust ’til the light bulb blows and the ice cubes melt before I’ll make you a sandwich or anything else. I am a firm believer in ‘if you want something, make it your fucking self’. Just because I am a woman doesn’t make me your slave.
yeah o.p., just ignorant fucking male pigs. i whole heartedly agree there.
🙂
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For you ladies that said Chivalry is hot, you need to start “bitch” slappin every single feminazi out there then. Because chivalry is dead…and they fucking killed it.
There is a girl who gets off at the same stop as I do and spends the entire ride texting and just before the stop she scrambles for some shit in her purse. WTF? This person expects someone else (Me?) to yank the clothesline for the requested stop.
I decided one morning to travel to the next stop and she went beserk that the driver missed her stop! The driver informed her there was no stop request and when we got off the bus she said I was supposed to pull the cord! WTF? She now looks at me each morning to see if I will make the effort to request the stop. NOT! She reaches it for it every day now or else knows she is going to walk another 100 yards. Makes me smile inside all day long 🙂
The only thing a fymynyst ever killed was a good time^^^. Seriously, the man-hatin’, spell-wimmin- with-a-Y, feminazi ideologue is a pathetic minority now. They don’t get nearly the press they did, say, back in the 80’s. They’ve cashed in their RRSPs and are settling back to await death in sparsely furnished bed-sits, reeking of cat urine, surrounded by the agit-prop that gave their lives such meaning back in the day.
But, since the majority of bitches here are about the fact that we as a society are losing the ability to conduct ourselves in public; courtesy, then, becomes a truly subversive act. It’s a gift that you give yourself. So, I open doors and give up bus seats, and if some sour little femshevik butt-plug’s brush cut spontaneously combusts as a result, well, that’s just chocolate sprinkles on the frappuchino. Ain’t it? >: )
Koda.. you seem to be playing a twisted version of chicken on the bus…
and have seemingly won! passing off the responsibility she was expecting of you….
that’s wicked and I completely understand how truly awesome it is.
also, this just in… chivalry found alive and well…in Iowa of all places.
Still no word on Elvis though
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that is truly strange koda. i just saw that zZz, not chivalry…just a chickenshit
I thought women wanted to be treated as equals.
that’s not chivalry?
you crazy broads don’t appreciate anything….
he’d be ridiculed for beating a girl … and ridiculed for losing to a girl.
at least this way it was HIS choice
…and his faith. spare me, he should have sucked it up and did what he has been training for. why should a crazy old bag like me find that chivalrous?
Actually, I agree with the general sentiment of the article zed posted…he doesn’t want to beat up a girl. Sure he’s going on his “faith,” but if you take that out of the equation what you’re left with is the fact that some guy doesn’t want to play a violent sport against a girl.
I mean, doesn’t social acceptablity these days say it’s wrong for a guy to hit a girl? And for that matter doesn’t it say it’s perfectly alright for a chick to bitch slap a guy? Doesn’t that suggest some fundamental societal belief, whether the fymynysts have claimed otherwise that men ARE stronger than women, at least physically? I mean, I’m pissed off as FUCK today and could likely hit a bitch, but, like, let’s say I punched Zed, for the sake of argument — how much damage could my 5’3″ little self do to his rather large like 10′ self?
*shrug*
yep… just shut up and do what you’re trained for….
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I’d like to point out my last comment wasn’t in support of my argument…
I just felt like twisting your words.
oh c’mon zZz, you actually went there. http://rlv.zcache.com/extend_your_arm_bitc…
PK, you’re not suggesting that it’s socially acceptable for a woman to hit a man because it’s unlikely that she’ll do much harm?
When religion is used as an excuse to NOT physically chastise wimmin, you gotta appreciate the novelty value, at the very least. >; )
And I’m just pointing out the reality of the situation, zed. Based on societal norms, this kid probably shouldn’t be ridiculed because deep down the world is still quite patriarchal and it’s kind of hypocritical to ridicule this kid over deep seated societial beliefs. I’m not the one who came up with these beliefs — and if I attempted to punch, you, zed, I really don’t think I’d do much damage, since you’re like apparently a bazillion feet tall and MY feet can barely reach the floor when I sit at the back of the bus. And that’s just the way the world works for the most part.
Sorry if that sounded saucy…again, bad day and as such I take no responsibility for my attitude in my posts today. Yes, I’m wearing my “little miss grumpy” panties today. Deal with it, bitchez.
I’ll try to be nice on the love board, though.
Hugo: I’m not suggesting that, personally, I’m just saying that that’s what seems to be acceptable in society. It’s ok to slap a guy in the face or throw a glass of water at him when he’s an asshole, but if a guy did that to a girl then he’s another Chris Brown.
Senior citizens should have first priority. I disagree giving up my seat for a teenager with their baby. If you can’t afford more reliable transportation, tell your boyfriend to wear a condom!
Bahah! Love your comment joeymiami! I’ll gladly give up my seat for a senior citizen or even someone disabled but don’t get me started on those baby mamas that except a seat because they pushed out a kid at 17.. That does NOT entitle you to a seat. Though I’d get up for a kid that wasn’t in a stroller which is quite rare.
As for chivalry, it’s nice though not expected. I quite like when someone (man or woman) holds the door for me, and when I get to the door first and there is someone behind me, I’ll hold it for them. It’s just being polite : )
As for Koda’s comment, quite funny, good job : )
Before we go too much further in bemoaning the death of chivalry or in trying to bring about a revival, we should acknowledge that there was downside to some of ideals associated with the concept.
Putting women on pedestals might sound like a fine idea, but during historical periods when this was supposedly happening, the women themselves found that it wasn’t very easy to get down from their pedestals and live the same lives that men lived. They were barred from pursuing many activities and careers simply because of their gender. It was commonly supposed at one time that women had smaller brains than men and were emotional creatures driven by irrational desires. How could we possibly consider letting them be doctors, lawyers and corporate CEOs, let alone soldiers or police officers? How could we even trust them with the vote?
The “woman on the pedestal” had a very clearly defined and limited function in society. She was supposed to excel at keeping house and mothering. Women who couldn’t (or wouldn’t) do these things were held in low esteem or actively chastised by the same society that wanted them to remain “on the pedestal”. Men had a lot of uncomplimentary names for women who climbed down from the pedestal. Some men still do.
That time wasn’t all that long ago and in some quarters things haven’t really changed all that much for women.
The advances that women have made in gaining a somewhat equal footing with men are due almost entirely to the work of previous generations of feminist women who fought long and hard every step of the way.
Rather than beating up on feminism for “the death of chivalry” I think we should be thanking feminists for leading women out of the Middle Ages and into the modern world.
Good manners are a different thing entirely and while I mourn their decline I think the blame for this can be traced to other influences at work in our society.
And that’s all I have to say about that.
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The corollary too this is:
“Well-behaved women get seats on a crowded bus.”
OP, what do you expect? A red carpet for your $2.25? Ever hear those ads on the radio about how to buy a new Volkswagon instead of a glorified coffee/day? Save your money, visit a dealership. Then you’ll be able to drive by those bus people and laugh while they freeze and are miserable.
Yeah, Sebastian, because we all know 50 people on a bus produce way more carbon emissions for our environment than 50 cars on the road. (insert sarc symbol here)
Even though women are treated equally these days, doesn’t mean we should just throw chivalry out the window. I still open car doors and hold doors open as well. I don’t take the bus, but if I did I would def give my seat up for a women/senior or child or at least give them the option anyway. It just comes down to manners I guess, something it seems not alot of people have anymore.
The issue between men and women will always be the same: intellectually, men and women can absolutely be on the same level, but physically, it’s just not the same, for the most part. Men tend to weigh more at healthy weights and tend to be taller. And, men metabolize food faster and generally have higher BMRs.
No matter HOW many feminists try to argue otherwise, these things will never change.
What Sebastard and those ads tend to not take into account are things like: car insurance, maintenance, parking, gas, etc….Pretty sure that adds up to more than 70 bucks a month.
Great logical thinking there, bud.
Since when has sebastard ever used logic? 😛
In Sebastian’s defense, some people are willing to pay more for the conveniences provided by a car, but it really just comes down to a personal choice for the sake of convenience to sacrifice the atmosphere that we all personally depend on, never mind the perpetuation of ours and all the other species calling this great orb call home.
the only defense sebastien needs is a butt plug.
cause those boys just fawn over his fucking SUV all the time…
don’t they? don’t they?
He probably drives a late model suburban.
Is Anatomy Destiny?
As is usually the case, the question of etiquette like so many others ultimately deconstructs into one of philosophy. In the present case the issue revolves about the conflicting conceptions anatomy (sexual differences located between the legs) on the one hand as opposed to that of gender (sexual differences located between the ears) on the other. Which is to take precedence? In other words, IS anatomy destiny or is it trumped by social convention?
One’s answer to this question further deconstructs into the conflict of the Realist as opposed to the Constructivist positions. For the Realist – a few have been noted on this thread – tend to maintain that there exist unalterable physical differences between the sexes and that such differences cash out into distinct social behaviours. On that basis their answer to the question, “Is anatomy destiny?” would be in the affirmative.
On the other hand there are the Constructivists, those who maintain that it is what goes on between the ears and not the legs which is the operative principle guiding social relations – more of them have been noted on this thread than the Realists – and it is gender, a consequence of the forces of liberalism in general and feminism in particular, which embodies the guiding principle in social relations. They would answer the question, “Is anatomy destiny?” in the negative.
No one who is not some sort of philosophical primitive would subscribe ENTIRELY to the Realist view. Rather, the view consists of a “modified Realism,” one in which gender plays a significant but not a determining role. However, the Constructivist position – that one is ENTIRELY a product of prevailing cultural forces – raises the spectre of the “infinitely malleable man.” In other words, we have no “self” existing apart from the society in which we happen to find ourselves (the “Transcendental Self”) and so the Constructivist position may reduce to an unacceptable form of “social determinism.” So it looks like there is no clear-cut answer to the question. As with so much else, it appears to lie somewhere in the middle but exactly where is a question of emphasis and not prescription.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
Wow, a veritable smorgasbord of philosophical theologies.
Aristotle, Spinoza, Freud , Kant, Wallner, Buddah, Papert, Boodin, Orwell, Green; lolz, did I miss any?
‘Destiny’ as as a sequence of events that is, fore-ordained, inevitable and unchangeable, is bullshit. We make our own choices, you know, ‘free will’ and all that stuff.
Women are perfectly capable of opening a door themselves–they always have been. So, why did the custom come into being in the first place?
To allow women to get out of the bad weather first since men are presumed to be more hardy?
Or, so the woman could get a head start on building the fire, cooking a meal and mopping the mess up off the floor?
Since doors of the past were designed by men and, as such, were heavy brutes, maybe it was that men’s generally superior strength was needed to open the door.
Or, it was open the door or he carry the kid , the laundry and the groceries in.
Or maybe, opening the door to allow women first entry was to insure her safety since men, being more aggressive, could battle any danger that was following them.
Or, men made women go first so any danger lying in wait behind the door would hit her before him.
Kim, check out ‘Chivalry Hawkins’, I’m just reading up on her now, seems quite interesting 😉
bitches be at the smorgasbord http://a.espncdn.com/i/mag/blog/SmorMonkey…
Ugh, paingirl, that pic kinda grossed me out, a feast for vermin, yuk.
On a different topic, where’s Ivan?
Funny = D
If chivalry was driven only by the need to get laid, there’s no way chivalry would have fallen into disuse = p
sorry sir hugo, just trying to be jocular “cause i have a bad cold and many miles to go before i sleep…come in commander over and out. he was doing inventory, i hope he isn’t buried under a pile of rubble^^
No problem painie, I’ll just have a sip of your margarita 🙂
Seems like everyone is sick lately,
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feel better soon.
thanks hugo, that’s why we order the pitchers. i’m sure the doggies won’t cur that i’m ailing^^
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I worked with a woman who actually gave me shit one day for holding the door for her. Not a scowl or a hurumph, she actually stopped and berated me. I told her that it was part politeness and part the female thing, and then told her that she would NEVER have to fear me doing it again for her. What a bitch… the sad thing is she was so fugly and crabby that she should have appreciated the attention.
Good afternoon Painey & Hugo. I survived inventory at DunderMifflin yesterday, but only barely. I’ve been doing inventories for those chuckleheads for 27 years now and each time it sucks more ass than it did the time previously>: (
So today, I’m enjoying the novelty of selling books to people who actually want them. The sale proceeds apace. 10 books gets you 50% off and todays special – a 2 foot stack gets you 60%. And I’ve got some Stellas chilling in the fridge at home. Cannot Wait!
thanks for the update, you know how i worry^^
27 years!!!??? Haven’t you learned that if you do a shitty eough job, they wont ask you to do it again 😉
lolz Hugo. I tried that once. They made me an office type. I hated it it. Hope you’re feeling better for the morrow Painey. Woof Woof.
Here’s the high point of my day. I come back from lunch and in the section where I was working someone had left a business card from something called The Heritage Front which read EQUAL RIGHTS FOR WHITES?
Feck me!. I thought the only congenital cretins I had to worry about here were slack-jawed hipster doofi looking for Chomsky.
great admiral, it’s not an urban myth…i thought they only traveled in packs. love the pic hugo http://www.mileanhour.com/files/2010/1/any…
sebastian’s logic is so sebastian. not orientation sebastian but retarded sebastian.
funny and a tongue twister too
ha ha ha!
Here’s one for you
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Actually the guy was smart for not wrestling her and saving his family tens of thousands of dollars defending a sexual assault/harassment charge. Chivalry had nothing to do with it.
Is Anatomy Destiny? (II)
A couple of comments on the question of the derivation of etiquette as an instance of acceptable male/female behaviour conceived in terms of its philosophical foundations in Naturalism or Constructivism bear further scrutiny. Before offering an analysis of those comments however, reflection on my initial post requires a brief additional comment.
I concluded that etiquette had become an amorphous concept, located somewhere between a “modified Naturalism” on the one hand and a coherent Constructivism, one that did not entail social determinism, on the other. In other words, I began to see etiquette as an “artifact” of a gradually eroding Naturalism under attack, so to speak, from a burgeoning Constructivism, the prevailing current philosophical world-view. The result “on the ground” culminates, for example, in a man not knowing whether to hold open the door for a woman. Now, let’s turn to the comments.
Hugo Phurst (12:01PM) announces that destiny, the view that one’s social behaviour is predetermined anatomically, is “bullshit.” The view implies a Constructivist position, that humans construct their own identities and futures. However, he goes on to say that “We make our own choices. You know, ‘free will’ and all that.” (Note the scare quotes around the phrase “free will.”) But the view that we possess free will as part of our natural equipment, so to speak, implies a Naturalist position. Is Hugo Phurst then guilty of self-contradiction? Of course, one occupying the social determinst end of the Constructivist position – someone like Marx comes to mind – might well say, “OK, now prove it.” In other words, he might say that Hugo Phurst’s “free will” is little more than an example of “bourgeois false consciousness.”
Kim (12:25PM) introduces the concept of “chivalry” but gets caught up in a “physicalist” interpretation – her preoccupation with doors – whereas I’m coming at the question from a philosophical perspective. Anyway, perhaps inadvertently, she appears to support my claim of etiquette being an artifact of a gradually eroding Naturalism. The knightly code of chivalry wasn’t a ploy to get laid but a visible marker of a thoroughly patriarchical class-based society in which clearly-defined behaviour was demanded of the knight in respect to the “fair maiden.” It was Naturalism in full flower. In time, however, chivalry gave way to a more modified “etiquette” which we see today in its uncertain and reduced manifeststions. Finally, etiquette seen as a relatively clearly-defined set of rules for social behaviour is morphing today into an even more uncertain and vague concept of “politeness” in which men take their chance in holding that door open. So the next time the occasion arises men, reflect on these philosophical questions before grabbing that door knob.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
There are many reasons for men to do such things as opening a door for women. If it is in the spirit of making things a little easier for her or just showing courtesy, women are appreciative. But, if it’s just another way to put women in their place as the weaker, needer sex, than don’t bother. We are all too aware of the pitfall of full dependence. So, chivalry in the context of honour, respect and care is not a problem. It is when the gesture demands us to act a specific role in exchange that is the problem. We don’t want to be rescued. We don’t need to be rescued. But it is still nice to know that we are regarded.
Chivalry is great when I want some dude to shovel my driveway for me. 🙂
I shovel my own driveway.
I’m not going to let a guy deprive me of all that fun! (sarc)
ZzZ…I just read your post on femenists where you say they’re all waiting to die somewhere in a place “reeking of urine”
From what I can gather from almost every one of the regular posters here, is that seems to be the fate of many…feminazi or Coast Bitcher, or other .
What I really love is the cat owners who think that just because their nose has gotten used to the smell of cat urine reeking from their homes, those of us who rarely experience that ….ummmm unique ‘fragrance’ (isn’t that the word for a scent that gets to be known internationaly ????)
Really fuckin’ notice it !
We notice it 6 months after the cat & the litter box has even been in the place !
gagging just from the memory of that ….L O L ‘fragrance’, which I believe is actually only used to describe a pleasant scent !
Oceanlady you can come & clean my driveway any time….I’ll make sure the snow blowers all gassed up & when your done I’ll load it into my truck, & we can take it over to your house & I’ll watch you snowblow your place clean ~;)
I don’t know why More’s last comment sounded dirty. I need some caffeine.
..that’s cause you have a dirty mind mrs… 🙂
In your dreams More! Ha!
That was me taking cheap shots at the old feminazis Mr. More. And the irony is, I’ll probably die alone in an apartment that smells of cat pee; It masks the smell of the meth lab. >; )
Muwha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.
montrealman. Self-contradicting? Ow…now that’s harsh, especially since I’ve never clamed to be a constructivist or a naturalist. That’s like me calling you out because you don’t know the difference between a magnetron and a thyratron, or do you?
To Karl Marx – I, not events, have the power to make me happy or unhappy today. I can choose which it shall be. Yesterday is dead, tomorrow hasn’t arrived yet. I have just one day, today, and I’m going to be happy in it. – Groucho Marx
Not all things ‘happen for a reason’, some do, but not all. It’s up to us, to determine the response to our circumstances. It’s the choices we make, to act, not act, or the level of action that we take, that demonstrate our ‘free will’. “I”, made my choices. “I”, determined the path my life would follow. Certainly, neither God nor fate have made me do anything, merely presented opportunities and offered suggestions.
Forgot to add this ;P
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Evening all.
paingirl, do you have short hair? I may have seen you at the expo today:D
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If you saw this person surrounded by longhounds; you probably saw Paingirl.
HeeHaw. >: )
How was the expo guys?
Many many longhound, and oother 4legged kritters. Only 1, 6ft, grey(short)hair.
Very busy, good turn-out. Blue didn’t like the crowd, so the dogs stayed in the car. Made a possible business contact.
On a side note, the walk in SV park was quite nice. Does anybody else, find anything wrong with +3deg weather for the 20th of February?
Nothing wrong with it at all!! I think I smelled hints of spring…
Is Anatomy Destiny? (III)
Hugo Phurst’s response (Feb 20, 7:18PM) to my reflections on the philosophical origins of etiquette as embodied in either a Realist or Constructivist world-view shows that he has misconceived the nature of the two alternatives. Briefly put, they are not the objects of impartial scrutiny as he seems to suppose (like the “magnetron”) but rather the spectacles through which one scrutinizes those objects. The Realist-Constructivist perspectives, in other words, are the alternative frameworks through which “reality” is conceived. A few observations on his comments might be helpful.
: “I’ve never claimed to be a constructivist or a naturalist.” Of course, one never “claims” to be one or the other by way of giving some sort of arm’s length report on the content of one’s own consciousness. One simply IS one or the other.
: His claim that it is “I, not events, have the power to make me happy or unhappy today. I can choose what it shall be,” misses the point of Marx’s concept of “bourgeois false consciousness.” From Marx’s perspective this assertion itself embodies the false claim of individual autonomy (“Individualism”) which is characteristic of precisely that consciousness. From Marx’s perspective one necessarily possesses the consciousness either of the owner class (“bourgeois consciousness”) or that of the worker class (“proletarian consciousness”). There was no third alternative. In either case it is the consciousness through which reality is cognized. (The only argument that might tell against Marx’s position is, as usual, that of self-refutation. Marx himself was a bourgeois – he spent his time in the Reading Room of the British Museum composing his “Das Kapital,” a place frequented by other bourgeois but not the proletariat. But, as a bourgeois, how was Marx able to scrutinize the proletarian consciousness which, by definition, was beyond his world-view?)
: “Not all things happen for a reason. It’s up to us to determine the response to our circumstances.” On one reading this is just incoherent – one simply finds the world as a sort of inexplicable “given” without rhyme or reason but nonetheless it is up to one to “respond.” On the one hand it reflects a cognitive passivity (“Quietism”), a helplessness where one can only make the best of a bad job. On the other hand, reflecting on the nature of just such reasons for one’s circumstances – as we are presently doing on this thread – might constitute a rational response. But if not all “things”(?) happen for a reason, thereby gutting any consistent rational response, it is up to Hugo Phurst to distinguish those things that do from those things that don’t permit of a rational response and, further, to demonstrate of what such a response might consist. (Keep it at the philosophical level, please.)
As far as the initial question goes – “Is anatomy destiny?” – consider the following: At time T1 Hugo was born and the doctor in attendance, observing what was between his legs, announced “It’s a boy!” At time T2 Hugo was maturing nicely, wearing pants and not a skirt, playing with soldiers and not dolls, etc., and eventually started smoking cigars and, possibly, holding doors open for females. Time T1, of course, refers to anatomy; time T2 refers to Hugo’s destiny. Is not T2 the natural unfolding of T1?
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
i had to leave at around 11, my pa drove me home. i was sofa king sick, the bear stayed and helped out. no hugo, i have very long hair almost to my waist. i saw sweet rosie but missed out on a lot of face time with the dogs. in the middle of the night my cat turned into my dead cat booboo. *blubbering snotty barfy paingirl*
Oh Painey. I’m so sorry. “My heart has joined the thousand for my friend stopped running today”
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Sorry to hear that, PG. 🙁
“Not all things ‘happen for a reason’ “
I think newton would beg to differ….
now the reason isn’t always the most glamorous… but there is causality.
OMG PG I’m so sorry to hear about your illness and your kitty! 🙁
My kitty is having blood work done this week for, get this: diabetes. FFS. She’s been acting lethargic and losing too much weight and I along with the vet am/is really worried…I can only imagine how you must feel 🙁
I see your point. However, I have a child and men will pretty much wait while I walk up the street and assist me with getting my son on the bus. I have never had issues with that. I find all the men very thoughtful and considerate. But there is a sour apple every once and a while.
thanks guys, but that came out all wrong. in my feverish sick state, my current black kitty caruso…sort of morphed into long dead kitty booboo, she died many moons ago. this was in the middle of the night… i’m just a bit delusional^^
Hahaha ok then.
YOU MEAN I WAS NICE…FOR NOTHING! Grrrrrrrrrrr.
>; )
Just kidding. Nothing worse than night fever dreams.
Oh my goodness Miss Pain….I’m so sorry to hear that!! *hugs* and more *hugs*
i was like what are they talking about? then i read my post again…i will try to be more careful
Feel better soon bread lady!
Whatever medication you’re on, paingirl, I don’t want it…nonono.
haha, i don’t usually take cold medication…i prefer more natural cures^^
“I think newton would beg to differ….” zZz, sorry , what? I don’t get the reference.
pg, glad your kitty isn’t dead. Apple cider & rum are pretty natural 😀
ralmn, I just find thawing temps in the middle of Feb, when it should be -20 with 3 ft of snow, disconcerting. Lol – change is not always a good thing ;P
I should see about opening a cat vet centre.
Promote it at “nothing will cost over 20 bucks”.
You bring it in sick, leave it for the night…I twist its neck…tell you it died $20.00
You want it euthanized, $20.00
bloodwork, I take it for the night gut it, tell you it died…$20.00
I’ll make a freakin’ fortune !