I often wonder about women’s freedom in this changing world. People are so ignorant when it comes to things like women who veil. Muslim women who veil are often thought of as oppressed, while Christian women who veil are not (e.g. Amish, Nuns etc). Even the FLDS women are seen negatively for wanting to dress according to their belief. I get upset that people consider this oppressive when I see tits flying everywhere on a beach in a tiny bikini or a nudist beach. These women are thought of as being free. Well, in my world both women are free to be doing what they are doing. It’s society that is judging the ones who wish to cover. —Stop judging the way women dress appreciate the woman for who she is!
This article appears in Dec 23-29, 2010.


What happens when the mode of dress is a relgious/cultural obstacle to getting to know and appreciate the woman for “who she is”. And what happens when women who haven’t the slightest desire, interest or connection to these religious/cultural symbols are “encouraged” (read – cajoled, harrassed & threatened) to adopt them.
Europe is learning this lesson, and we shall too.
I see you very conveniently left out that, IF you don’t veil & dress according to the MEN who control the Muslim religion in many places, you can be beaten, you can be arrested & jailed, & if you continue, you WILL BE KILLED.
Not mentioning that IMO puts you as part of the problem & your idealistic rant is actually JUST BULLSHIT.
While this behaviour isn’t supposedly tolerated in Western societies, women are still being murdered by their family members here in Canada, for failing to follow the teachings of the wonderfully peaceful religion of the Muslims…yep mothers daughters & even aunts have been murdered right here in Canada by believers in a religion… just because they believe by not dressing in a certain way, you deserve DEATH.
While here at home the Leaders of EVERY SINGLE POLIGAMOUS CULT ARE MEN. THese cults , home school (surprise ,surprise ) teach these women that they are unworthy & less then men, that men ,especially husbands …Have To Be Obeyed ! ! ! THey literally put the FEAR of God into young impressionable minds, OBey Obey Obey the men & the Leader of the Cult of course & continue the control from generation to generation ! While bleeding heart idiots like yourself call these persecuted, uneducated women “Free” my sweet flying spagetti monster are you ever naive
So please OB enjoy your stay in Lala land & if you ever come out again to visit reality, drop by& stay awhile in the real world & we the people wh live here can enlighten you !
Ever-Sharp-Ivan and More took the words right out of my mouth.
the only thng about veils, is that if you go into a bank, be ready for the cops to come very shortly there after. if you go into most places of business, they don’t know if you are muslem or a robber, if you get shot, then don’t whine to us.we don’t makle the laws on this bitch board, we only try to get some idiots to see reason.if you want laws changed, then take it up with the politicoes, not us. we really don’t give a shit, if you wear one or not. personally, i would not serve you either, as a precaution, i would have mr. magnum in hand.
LS, I think the nogg’s gone bad… you’re dribbling when you talk again…
Sorry but you are not immune to criticism and judgment just because it’s part of your religion. People are too soft on stupid religious customs like this for the sole reason that it’s part of a religion. And before anyone cries “Islamophobia!” I feel the exact same way about plenty of other stupid customs from other stupid religions, circumcision and not allowing women to be ordained as priests for example.
I get a kick out of the hypocrisy of religious people. They are allowed to condemn and condescend me for being an atheist or wearing a bikini or whatever bullshit… they are allowed to truly believe in their hearts that I’m going to burn in hell for all eternity (the ultimate judgment right there) and obviously to express those beliefs under free speech (as it should be), but if I have the slightest criticism of their beliefs, even if it’s a belief that is in direct conflict with modern moral standards in this country, then all of a sudden they’re hiding behind their religion for protection from my words and calling me a bigot. Sorry, but free speech works both ways. I don’t have a religion to hide behind, so come on… criticize me, judge me, but only dish it out if you can take it too.
I am a very tolerant person, I tolerate religions and religious people. But only if they are not stepping on basic human rights and only if they are not tarnishing secularism by trying legislate their faith. If you’re not doing those things then I will tolerate you, but that’s it.
The reason why religions are able to push the boundaries of human rights in the hearts and minds of their followers is because they answer to an omnipotent non-human being. They require people to truly belief that such a deity exists and that their particular religion is the only way to experience paradise with this deity after death. When a being like that truly exists in your mind, anything it says goes. The problem is that whether of not this deity exists, it’s really a select few human beings behind the scripture. Lowly, flawed human beings that with such power can easily be corrupted.
Blind belief in anything is a dangerous thing. Who do we answer to without a deity? We answer to each other as a collective with free flow of information and free speech to weed the out the bullshit. The moral standard we agreed upon as a collective society in this country, while still flawed and needing improvement, is still extremely better for people than the primitive moral standards written in any “holy” book as thought up by a select few.
OP needs to pull head out of rectal cavity. Have you ever been to an Islamic cuntry where they don’t even have the right to order a coffee, let alone remove the veil?
Now, back to tits on a beach… mmmmmmmm.
zzz, ask me if i really give a flying fuck anymore. i don’t.
snoop, sweetthang, you can wear your lil bikini anytime you want to, and if you do go to this hell they talk of, ask for me, i’ll be the one with the long red tail, and pitchfork.
I wonder if the OP does seminars in the Middle East about tits flying on the beach?
My only problem with burkas and the like is it gives special privileges to religious people. If women want to cover their face in the middle of the summer than I should be given the equal right to wear a bandana or mask over mine. Equality is a two way street mofos.
Sodey, if you want to wear a veil or a burka, nothing is stopping you.
Ya, but those ninja thingies aren’t my style. Plus I’m not some tranny, no offence to trannies of course.
Yay for Muslim trannies!
I heard Iran actually pays for some sex change operations. Big up the shemale Shia’s!
But Sodey, you still have the freedom to wear it.
My problem, OP, with veiling is it gives women in said society the idea that showing their faces is inappropriate. Why don’t men veil too? Why is it so much more appropriate for them to show their faces and it’s not appropriate for you to show yours?
They seem to have done a great job indoctrinating you into believing it’s your choice…who put the idea in your head that it’s inappropriate to show your FACE in the first place?
If you want to wear a veil, go right ahead, but you’re just kidding yourself if you think it’s anything less than oppressive and patriarchal. That is, until men start veiling.
Religion + Veil = Submission to Manmade Bullshit
And to all the peaceful progressive Muslims in nice cozy wealthy countries like Canada and the US who enjoy all the freedoms that this country grants us while whimpering about how people shouldn’t generalize all Muslims by the actions of a few in other poorer countries… Sure fair enough. But where is the outcry from western Muslims against the blatant abuse, cruelty, and murders that are currently being justified by YOUR religion in other countries?
Especially western Muslim women, do you have any idea what you would have to suffer through if you weren’t fortunate enough to live in Canada? Have your clitoris cut off, forced to marry a middle aged man when you’re twelve years old, illiterate, little to no access to health-care, possibly dying in childbirth in your twenties, plus many other atrocities your follow Muslim women are suffering from RIGHT NOW. The veil controversy pales in comparison to these problems! If you don’t want to be grouped up with the crazy people who want to oppress women then SPEAK UP AGAINST THEM. Separate yourself from them publicly! Don’t be angry at me for criticizing Islam, be angry at the assholes who are giving your religion a bad name. If Islam is really a peaceful religion, then prove it and stand up for what you believe Islam really is, against those who would use it to oppress you if you were unlucky enough to be born in… say, Iran.
I say the same thing to Christians who don’t want to be seen as homophobic because of a few other Christians who are. Kudos to Christians for gay rights.
This VERY sexy girl pretty much sums up my position:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvG0Es41ZeM
All religions were created by man to bilk the fearful through fairy fucking tales. I have no respect for an organization who preys on the weakness of others.
http://www.rawa.org/temp/runews/2010/08/31…
Hear, here ladies!
hey i aint no lady^^^i like to do research…screee
“But Sodey, you still have the freedom to wear it.”
Yes, but if I had a “non religious” face covering and it wasn’t a snowstorm do you not think the pigs would give me a hassle?
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jOwg79cL9SM/SUud…
I don’t care what Muslim women wear.
At least in this country, once one reaches the age of adulthood, I have to accept that these things are a matter of free choice.
If Muslim women want to wear various articles of clothing for religious reasons, who am I to say they shouldn’t? Isn’t that what freedom of religion is all about?
If folks want to get upset about oppressed women, why not do something about the huge global traffic in women and girls used as domestic and sexual slaves?
Speaking as an atheist, I don’t think Christians have much room to criticize Muslims when it comes to the organized oppression of women.
The only time wearing a mask is illegal is while committing a crime. Now that does not mean that businesses can’t have policies for identification purposes.
Would one say that the naked woman on a street, burka woman, and an amish woman all have the same rights and freedoms? Or is one more oppressed than the other? Just curious. Happy New Year ya bitches.
Burkas and hiqabs are bad because they turn women into only women. Women who wear these items have no identity beyond being female. Even the women who choose to wear them. That’s why I disagree with them. No one should wear a garment that reduces them to only their gender.
PK, I can think of some men that should cover up more….
http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/?p=27902
http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/?p=28372
much to everyone’s benefit
actually wearing the veil in the muslim world is NOT religious but based on centuries of tribal oppression of women…and my right to a safe life contravenes your right to a religious garb,you MUST show your face at airports,customs or any other government establishment.
If you need to wear these to commit to your god,then your choice is indeed a shollow one,because my right to a safe living environment is deeper and more natural
Morning all.
paingirl, in relation to your post, there’s been a couple of things in the news about the afghani translators. Seem that they were expecting to be short-listed for immigration (didn’t happen), and, on more than one occasion the Canadian soldiers complianed that the translators were having those “boy parties” on base. Fucking sick, when it’s socially acceptable to rape a 12 yr old boy, but not to have sex with a willing adult.
ginger – depends on where the street is. Have you ever been more than 1,000km from home?
morning sir hugo^^hope you had a happy christmas…i’m off to look after me ma. the boyos can run the shop
I love when white non-Muslims who know nothing of their culture spout off about burkas and hijabs.
It is true though; nobody says a fucking thing about nuns wearing habits or monks wearing robes. And if you do you’re being a terrorist sympathizer. But if you say it about Muslims or Arabs (or anyone of colour) you’re merely expressing your freedom of speech.
More: way to prove you know a lot about nothing.
http://www.youtube.com/user/patcondell#p/u…
Typical white-Christian bullshit. Islam is so bad but the slave-religion that is Christianity which is responsible for the annihilation of cultures is considered peaceful.
All religions are fucking evil and should be wiped off the face of the earth. I’d rather worship a goddamn hedgehog named Arthur than subscribe to the horseshit that I was force fed by the RCs from an early age. I can still remember spitting out my First Holy Communion – if that isn’t a statement, I don’t know what is.
Pat Condell is an atheist, certainly no apologist for Christianity. As for me I have the same regard for Islam that I have for any other religion; you may interpret that any way you wish.
But Islam as a political force eats the peanuts out of a pound of pigshit and I really don’t give a fiddler’s fuck who that offends.
@TTFN. My Dad has RC stamped on his dogtags but a stint in a Catholic orphanage when he was 8 beat that out him, literally. Mom was raised Baptist in New Brunswick but being a rebellious little hellion she left that behind when she turned 18. Fortunately they both understand the difference between “feeling good” and “doing good”.
Nice going Fat(head) I said nothing about the christian religion…nothing good that is. What I have to say about christianity starts with preists sexually abusing children & runs the gauntlet to a hierarchy of pompous old fuckers still trying to control women & the world !
I have nothing but bad things to say actually about any religion.
As a matter of fact they are part of the Worlds 3 G problem.
That the worlds biggest problems can all be traced to 3 things, either 1 of or in combination of the 3….those 3 things are
Government
Gold
God
Not that in of themselves the ‘words’ are bad or they cause by themselves problems
NO !.
No, its MAN & mans controling nature for some & the sheep attitude of the many, which is why this world has massive poverty, yet we spend TRILLIONS on weapons. We have massive bank collapses putting the saving of millions of workers in jeopardy…yet those (the bankers who control, the GOLD) who have orcastrateds some of the biggest outright frauds & thefts in history, get off scott free !
Wile apathetic Governments REFUSE to do the jobs they are elected to do & instead spend all their time filling their pockets (as well as their *friends*) while knee jerk reactionary policies put us deeper in debt & do nothing to actually cure societies problems.
I pointed out the religion of peace, simply because they are at the present time one of the most ardent supporters of denying woman basic rights, where to the extreme if a man RAPES A WOMAN…she is to blame !
I haven’t found any religion presently more fucked up than that…& I have been looking.
Right, More, and the Christian Bible says it’s okay for man to bed little boys. Now tell me that isn’t fucked up.
It bothers me somewhat that all Christians are being lumped together. Yes there has been horrible abuse and crimes committed in the name of God & Christ, evil people will wear whatever guise they can in order to get what they want. The RC church fucked up big time by not getting rid of those bastards centuries ago.
I’m not RC, I’m UCC. The closest thing to a scandal with the UCC in th past 50 years has been the open acknowledgement of homosexual ministers.
Fat, qoute me the chapter and verse that says it’s ok to rape little boys, everything I found states pretty much the opposite.
Child pageants have been happening for generations now, and very few people seem to think of them as abuse. Personaly, I think it’s sick and disgusting, it objectifies and sexualizes prepubescent children. Or is it ok to dress up your 5yr old as a whore, and teach her that she’s just a piece of meat to be displayed for the gratification of others? Google it, the images make me sick to my stomach.
uber creepy hugo. i think judging by your posts you are a good person^^
http://www.berkshirefinearts.com/uploadedI…
I try to be paingirl.
JonBenét Patricia Ramsey, is a case in point. Poor child knew nothing of what growing up was supposed to be.
“little miss sunshine” is a good flick…pokes fun at the whole “industry” with a big pointy stick. some other interesting articles http://www.helium.com/knowledge/12988-deba…
NGF please, pray tell, where exactly in the Bible does it say that it is okay for men to bed little boys?
The problem with God and religion isn’t God and religion. It is people that fuck things up.
Exactly Bro Tim…which if you read my last post here…is pretty much what I’ve said, religion is fucked, not because of ‘god’ but because it is a manmade entity. Man made, man controled , you would have to be a moron to believe it wouldn’t be fucked ! You IMO aren’t the brightest bulb on the tree to still believe in their controling BS…but there are a great many people who have been brainwashed since birth by the ‘religion of their family’ & so the idiocy continues !
Bro Tim isn’t the brightest bulb on the tree? Since when? I’ve always enjoyed his missives… maybe there’s something wrong with me too!
oh it’s not just you. there’s something wrong with all of us…
some just show it more than others.
I for one tend to enjoy occifer’s quips.
there is something wrong with all of us. perfection is highly overrated…hey rosie woof woof
If I’m a moron, then so is Einstein and many other great scientists and leaders in the world, present and past.
The way I look at it, if you and others are right More, then when I’m dead, all I do is take a dirt nap. If I and others are right, then you be fucked.
They say the “Big Bang” created everything. I’ve yet to see any evidence of any explosion that has created anything other than the Genisis Project in a Star Trek movie.
What’s worse believing in God or some crap coming out of a scientist mouth. When scientists and politicians are in league, then be afraid, be very afraid.
I’m absolutely one of Ossifer Tim’s posse. I may have little time for organized religion but I do not begrudge or belittle those who draw strength , comfort, and a moral template from faith. It’s just that I do not accept that faith is the sole source of these things. I do draw the line at “Submission”, since in most cases Submission to – *insert mythological figure here*- invariably translates as Submission to whatever pack of cupid stunts have memorized a longwinded book of bad poetry and claim to be acting in their deity’s name. Me say- this bad medicine^^^
Hey painey! WooF Aroooooo!
Hey Ivan! I pledge submission to Alexander Keith!
Hey BT: Ya da man!
Woof Woof Rosie – that’s a beardo who does have a plan for humanity >; )
Bro Tim: same place where it says people like sebastian are an abomination or something. I thought they were both part of the same verse actually.
NGF, a lot of people say they have read or know the Bible but often misquote it or take it out of context. For your example about Seb. Most people use abominal and that they are to die. As usual people exagerating for their own purposes. There is nothing about being put to death but rather cast out for a detestable act. Nowhere in the Bible is child sexual abuse condoned. This is what Leviticus says about improper sexual relations:
Leviticus 18
Unlawful Sexual Relations
1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘I am the LORD your God. 3 You must not do as they do in Egypt, where you used to live, and you must not do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you. Do not follow their practices. 4 You must obey my laws and be careful to follow my decrees. I am the LORD your God. 5 Keep my decrees and laws, for the person who obeys them will live by them. I am the LORD.
6 “‘No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the LORD.
7 “‘Do not dishonor your father by having sexual relations with your mother. She is your mother; do not have relations with her.
8 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your father’s wife; that would dishonor your father.
9 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your sister, either your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether she was born in the same home or elsewhere.
10 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your son’s daughter or your daughter’s daughter; that would dishonor you.
11 “‘Do not have sexual relations with the daughter of your father’s wife, born to your father; she is your sister.
12 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your father’s sister; she is your father’s close relative.
13 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your mother’s sister, because she is your mother’s close relative.
14 “‘Do not dishonor your father’s brother by approaching his wife to have sexual relations; she is your aunt.
15 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your daughter-in-law. She is your son’s wife; do not have relations with her.
16 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your brother’s wife; that would dishonor your brother.
17 “‘Do not have sexual relations with both a woman and her daughter. Do not have sexual relations with either her son’s daughter or her daughter’s daughter; they are her close relatives. That is wickedness.
18 “‘Do not take your wife’s sister as a rival wife and have sexual relations with her while your wife is living.
19 “‘Do not approach a woman to have sexual relations during the uncleanness of her monthly period.
20 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your neighbor’s wife and defile yourself with her.
21 “‘Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molek, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the LORD.
22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.
23 “‘Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion.
24 “‘Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled. 25 Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. 26 But you must keep my decrees and my laws. The native-born and the foreigners residing among you must not do any of these detestable things, 27 for all these things were done by the people who lived in the land before you, and the land became defiled. 28 And if you defile the land, it will vomit you out as it vomited out the nations that were before you.
29 “‘Everyone who does any of these detestable things—such persons must be cut off from their people. 30 Keep my requirements and do not follow any of the detestable customs that were practiced before you came and do not defile yourselves with them. I am the LORD your God.’”
So please research before giving “authoritive opinion”.
I see Tim’s buttons got pushed just a little bit more than mine.
Again – FAT – quote your source. Come on boy, you can open a book, can’t you?
Nope, you’re both wrong.
About what NGF? You made a statement, now back it up. I’ve shown you my work now let’s see yours. Because you say something is wrong doesn’t make it necessarily so.
So many people misunderstand science.
Yes, Bro Tim, there is bad science out there… science that is corrupted by politics, religious agendas, corporate agendas, or just bad science reporting in general. This bad science isn’t actually science, it’s non-scientists using the authority and guise of science, to make dubious claims to further an agenda. There’s actually a very good blog and a book called “Bad Science” written by Dr Ben Goldacre who, a scientist, specifically goes out of his way to call bullshit on all the bad science and science reporting that is muddling up the public’s understanding of what good science really is. The scientific community has no agenda besides seeking the fundamental truths about the world, they actively fight against bad science all the time as it is almost always used to scam and hurt people.
What IS good science? Science is a way of observing the world and drawing truths from those observations after rigorous testing and retesting. Once a scientist has an idea he has to try to falsify it, to basically try to prove his own idea wrong. His experiments must be properly done, there is such a thing as bad misleading experiments. For example some bad experiments do not have control groups to compare the findings against, or they may not have been run enough times to rule out the possibility of chance etc. If the scientist makes any of these mistakes he’s going to be ripped apart during the peer review process and lose his credibility damaging his career. Anyway… If he CAN falsify his hypothesis then it’s wrong and he must throw it away completely and try something else. But if he cannot falsify it, it MIGHT be true. Further more in depth testing if required before he can publish it in a scientific journal and make it public. Once it’s public, it needs to be retested some more by OTHER scientists who have NO AFFILIATION with the first scientist. I they are also able to reproduce his findings in their own labs then there is a good chance that it’s true. But even after all that, the idea is still up in the air to be shot down, scientists try to disprove each others’ findings all the time, they welcome the scrutiny and debate, peer review keeps the bullshitters out. This is how proper science is done. The only agenda it has is to find out what is true through this excruciating process.
So if, when you say, “What’s worse believing in God or some crap coming out of a scientist mouth.” you are implying that scientists just make shit up, you’re sorely mistaken. Science is a bottom up philosophy, you look at what you can see around you and use it to gradually build a body of knowledge that some day will be large enough to explain the big questions, how was the universe created? But religion is a top down philosophy. You start with the answer, God, and then use the assumption of God to explain everything around you. Which is better? Science is better.
The fact that we do not presently know the exact physics behind the Big Bang is NOT evidence against science because of it’s bottom up nature I previously described. If we knew everything, science wouldn’t exist in the first place. Just a short while ago people thought God made the stars shine simply because they didn’t have a better a better explanation. Now we have a much better explanation. As science progresses it continues to explain the natural world with more elegance and awe than the “God did it” explanation ever could, and religion keeps having to grudgingly accept it. Someday we will be able to contemplate the greatest mysteries of the universe through science. But besides all this there IS some evidence for the big bang, being ignorant of evidence is not a good argument against it.
To be honest, I’m more afraid of religious leaders and politicians being in league than I’m worried about scientists. But I’m not even getting into that because it’s a futile argument. You can say scientists created the atomic bomb thus science is evil and I can say science created penicillin, increased our life span by 30 years, decreased infant mortality etc thus science is good. You can point to religious charity and I can point to the crusades, it goes on and on and on like that.
But while on the topic of science I’ll recommend a good book to anyone who is interested in the debate about whether morality is possible without religion. “A Moral Landscape: How Science Can Determine Human Values.” by Sam Harris. This is the most annoyingly common misunderstandings religious people use to make atheists look evil… but I’ll stop right there because I could keep typing forever about this stuff.
Here’s brief preview of the book in video form:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj9oB4zpHww
Yes it does.
Snoop you missed the point. Anything humans are involved in will get fucked up by greed, meglomania, and a host of other reasons. To say something is all bad is ludicrous. Both religion and science have killed millions of people but do you throw both away? No, because even though there is evil, good for the most part, at least in the Western world prevails. We live (in the West at least) in relative peace and prosperity. Is it perfect? Nope, because humans are involved.
2,4,5,6 … “I am the LORD”
he’s got quite the superiority complex going there…. and all I hear is Sam Jackson screaming this every time I read it.
4 pretty much equals 5…
6 is stupid because it’s then all explained in further detail onwards…
it’s like saying
“6. don’t eat chocolate bars
7. don’t eat a crunchy, 8. don’t eat an oh henry, 9. don’t eat a coffee crisp…”
and isn’t 11 covered by 9?
it’s all so bloody one-sided anyway,
women can sleep around all they like (so long as it’s not an animal), it’s the men that end up breaking the rules and getting exiled.
I don’t know what they were on when they thought that up.
Science does not ask me to believe in fairy tales.
Science does not threaten me with, an eternity of damnation if I don’t believe.
A Scientist’s theory, & what is believed to be scientifically correct…will, if found to be wrong, or if new evidence proves its wrong. These new proofs will be provided to others, & with these new ‘proofs’ science will move forward.
Science doesn’t threaten me with the boogey man, it doesn’t tell me how to dress, it doesn’t judge me, it doesn’t promise me anything & it has no punishment like the destruction of my soul, (what exactly is that thing…a soul anyway ????) an eternity of torture & damnation …all of the things religions put forward onto me/us,which supposedly is fostered on us by an omniputent powerful being….WHO LOVES ME/US.
Give me a fucking break…if this omniputent meglomanic actually loves us, I’d sure hate to hear what it’d do to us, if it hated us !
So if I was going to WORSHIP something, I want something tangible…it sure as fuck wouldn’t be the religion created 1700+ years ago by a Roman Emperor, & a bunch of Religious leaders who were threatened with the might of Rome coming down on them HARD, if they couldn’t “unify” their religious belief’s & control the masses who were clamoring to join ! Who’s earlier leadership had simply taken the idea of earlier religious groups & modified them to suit their purposes, who in turn got their ideas from those who worshiped other god’s before them, etc, etc, etc. going back over 4500+ years that we know of.
No I would actually perfer to worship the “Power” that is actually responsible for life being sustainable on this planet, which is the Sun.
But while I’m more than willing to admit without the Sun ,humanity wouldn’t long survive here. I don’t believe worshipping the Sun will make any difference to whether it shines another day or not. I really don’t believe the Sun gives a shit one way or the other,if we pray or don’t pray to it. Nor do I believe its going to loft me to some special place when I die, if I do so, while others who do not, will fuel its fire.
But there are a great many people, who not only need that crutch to get through the day, they believe if you don’t blindly follow like they do , YOU deserve to be punished…& that is truely a mental deficiency IMO, & maybe one day science & doctors can fix it.
One can always hope, which is all religion is actually promising, because it has no proof at all…. so perhaps, on that day, the sun will be out & shining, which for some reason always makes me happier than when its precipitating ! So I can always hope , & for some reason ,I personally, don’t need a religion for that !
http://www.jesusandmo.net/
haha, thanks ivan i thought it might be jesus and one of the stooges^^^you clever trevor you
Dad loved his “Thank You For Not Provoking My Uncontrollable Lust” burka T-shirt.
How is the longhound this morning? Tummy settled?
he slept all night, going to make him some scrambled eggs for breakies^^he still hasn’t eaten anything since saturday. some of the bear’s kinfolk visited yesterday and spread some cold germs around. ah well it’s all good
SOBova did a clothes purge for the Sally Ann and stirred up so much dust that The Countess has been sneezing for the past days *asphyx*^^ Did puppy like his Christmas PJs?
she didn’t have a chance to fix them before christmas so we wait…
J&M comics are awesome, Ivan.
Hey , I never said anything against “Anything humans are involved in will get fucked up” However, I’m not sure what we have to compare humans against, because humans are involved in everything. Humans as opposed to what? Nothing lol.
I’m just pointing out that “bad science” is not actually science and has no respect in the scientific community. Although it seems like bad religion is still respected or at the very least not fought against by the majority of good religious people… There’s tons of smart, progressive, modern Christians Muslims etc out there… they need to wake up and start joining the criticism against their fundamentalist counterparts.
But let’s clarify that as an atheist I do throw religion away. I do think that religion as we know it is inherently dangerous because it requires people to not think critically and to follow without question. I support critical thinking which is in direct conflict to the religious mindset. I would celebrate if tomorrow everyone on earth decided to be an atheist because I truly believe that the world would be a better place if it was devoid of religion by individual personal CHOICE. Or at the very least a skeptic or critical thinker. I’d even settle for fence sitting Agnosticism. However, I believe in freedom of religion just as strongly as I believe in freedom from religion. And that requires me to put up with the nonsense that is organized religion but only so far as it’s not overstepping basic human rights. And now I’ve gone off on a tangent and I don’t remember what the original point of this comment was.
God Damn.
Thanks Newt. here’s another that made me chuckle – in keeping with the situation. >; )
http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/03/29/faith…
you and my devil’s advocate—>the bear would get along famously miss snoop
snoop. exactly. Bad science has nothing to do with science and bad religion has nothing to do with religion. That’s all I’m saying.
I found bad science:
http://www.badscience.net/
But the difference is you have tons of good scientists and skeptics like Dr Goldacre fighting against the bad science… While we have the vast majority of good religious people keeping their mouths shut and turning a blind eye to all the bad religion out there.
I don’t understand how, as a member of a specific faith, someone can stand by and watch gross injustices take place in the name of your religion without blinking an eye! They are quick to point out the injustices taking place in other religions. But when it comes to their own religion, even if they completely disagree with the crazy fundamentalists’ positions they shut up. They treat them like a cousin in jail that the family never talks about, an embarrassing affiliation, that’s it. When they SHOULD be loudly separating themselves from these crazies and showing everyone that they are the majority. That the majority of religious people are good moral compassionate individuals. But you are NOT moral if you are sitting around watching passively while people are being murdered in the name of your faith, whether it’s homosexuals or women or whatever, without once speaking up in defense of these people and in defense of what you believe your faith truly stands for.
I even see this in my own Catholic extended family. People who STILL love the motherfucking pope. There’s enough bloody history to condemn this guy already, without a modern in-our-lifetime scandal. If I was still a Catholic I would be ashamed of my faith in the wake of the Vatican child abuse cover up, ashamed and angry enough to renounce my belief in the pope as the earthly voice of god. You would think that something as horrific as this, would have brought about a huge uproar from the Catholic community, maybe even a breakaway group or two of Catholics no longer affiliated with the Vatican, but so far the only modern breakaway Catholic groups are groups that were KICKED out of the official Catholic faith for things like ordaining women as priests. People need to actively leave in protest to show the Vatican that if they want the pews to fill they are going to have to be WAY more progressive. But religion doesn’t work like this, religion is not democratic, not the voice of many it’s the voice of one, god, who apparently tells the pope what to do. One infallible amazingly immoral voice. All this guy has to do to get the undivided adoration of his subjects back is to say, “Oops, my bad. Sorry I protected pedophiles and let them rape your kids, sorry I helped spread HIV killing millions by talking shit about condoms. But hey, I apologized and now I think pedophiles and AIDs are bad, seriously, look at how humble and progressive I am. Now give me more money.” SERIOUSLY???!!!
Fucking tangents… and now I’m angry. Anyone have some cute YouTube kitten videos to make me feel better?
But you prove my point, just because the leader is wrong, done bad things or whatever does not make every nun, priest or Catholic bad. That would be like saying every American is bad for what their President did or didn’t do or Prime Minister and Canadian. The vast majority of people try to do good work and make a difference, whether religious or not. So stop steaming and here’s something for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-efQuSlxgWY
Religion has nothing to do with god…& everything to do with ‘control’.
I’m with Snoop when it comes to hypocrasy by the so called ‘good ‘ or perhaps respectful religious people and those whose idea of what’s right is to go & blow up a bunch of strangers who worship an different invisible omniputent deity !
But I like the idea of a Flying Spagetti Monster…the belief in it, pokes 100% fun at religious belief, & can be no more refuted as a possibility for god, than any other religions claims !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNf-P_5u_Hw
I found something interesting. Food for thought.
You’re attacking strawman by implying I was arguing that every religious person is bad because a few are bad. Because, I wasn’t arguing that at all.
You’ve clearly missed my point entirely. Thanks for the kittens though 🙂
Hey, More, we should have a contest for best deity – the Cosmic Muffin has been my personal guide for the last 30 years. Does the Flying Spagetti Monster pass the collection plate for garlic bread slices?
I vote Don Vito as the omnipotent, humanly voice of the flying spaghetti monster….
It only makes sense….
oops, that should be caps.
Flying Spaghetti Monster…. sorry all you FSM-ites
I’m getting a bit sick of all these so called “Religions of Peace” whose adherents will gleefully kill anybody who says different. Time for some good, old fashioned honesty…
http://www.fanboy.com/wp-content/uploads/2…
TTFN, the FSM (Flying Spagetti Monster) distains collection plates. As the creator of the Universe, the FSM can create any wealth it wants…& since the only real weath in the FSM’s opiinion has to do with food & drink, the only plates it likes to see are those filled with food (perferably pasta) After all in the words of the grand meatball, “If you can’t eat or drink it, what real value to life does it hold ?”
But seriously it has come to pass that the religion of the FSM is now undergoing a split….yes it seems a small faction has determined that in fact the Manicotti Monster was the real creator of the universe & the FSM is just a recent manmade entity, I know blasphemy…but at least there has yet to be a suicide bombing attached to these extremist belief’s.
TTFN…I heard a rumor that the Cosmic Muffin, was actually half baked elsewhere, shipped here frozen & when thawed, was then presented to the population as “Fresh” ! ? !
Which, as you can imagine, is extremely confusing to us who know the real truth ~;)
Brother will kill brother, spilling blood across the land. Killing for religion, something I don’t understand. Fools like me, who cross the sea and come to foreign lands. Ask the sheep, for their beliefs, “Do you kill on God’s command?”.
I once thought of worshiping an oven mitt but couldn’t come up with a comprehensive Bible for fear of the silverware orgies that keep breaking out in my freezer. What the fuck it is with sterling silver anyway? Rigid and frigid all the way.
TTFN…you don’t have to come up with a comprehensive bible for your religion…Nope, not at all.
What you need to do is come up with a few catchy phrases/rules…like the 11 commandments. THen others who believe will continue to ‘clarify’ the ‘rule book’ & it will grow & change, & be reedited, the originals will eventually become the Mahone Bay scrolls, while everyone walks around secure in their New testiment roll, THe Cottenella ! dum dum dumb stupid !
you could always find your own Joseph Smith….
or you yourself could dictate.
are you the chosen one TTFN?
[as ttfn] : “and the flying manicotti monster shouted from on-high…
‘well tweak my nipples! I’m going to hook your balls to a clapper that’s hooked up in the Colbert Report’s studio’ “
“and the men of the world did shudder and cower in fear”
Bahawhawhaw – the Mahone Bay Scrolls – and don’t forget the Dead Meat Cove Scrolls up in the Cape.
Chosen one? Sorry, that post has been filled by the Hypnotoad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq4t_DjeF_k…
I, for one, welcome our trance-inducing, wart-ridden bufOverlord.
ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!