I’m sure many have seen the “Jesus Fish” or whatever it is actually called on the back of cars. Why the need to advertise your religion…I don’t know. I thought it was personal.
Of course, there would be a response. The “Darwin Fish” lets call it. You know, a Jesus Fish with legs and Darwin written on the body. Call it a “Darwin Amphibian” for all I care.
What do I see twice in the past two days. A new fish on two different cars. This is a bigger Jesus Fish, with TRUTH written on its body, eating the Darwin Fish.
Kind of funny…for a second, tit for tat. Then you think about it. The Creation vs. Evolution battle being fought on the backs of vehicles now?
Seriously, WTF? Prediction: A “Fact” fish eating the “Truth” fish with 6 months.
On a side note…why do the younger generations lap this creationist shit up? I can understand older generations based on the history and significance of religion in this province. But really, haven’t we learned anything over the years what with fossils and carbon dating. Most of us don’t really believe in unicorns and pixies and werewolves, so why do we still believes in the fantasy of a white bearded old man god and his pale white middle-eastern born son condemning the unrighteous to an imaginary hell, while subservience equals heaven. Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think that was the intended theme of the Bible.
I mean seriously…WTF? Spirituality is great but…forget it…
—Annoyed Agnostic
This article appears in Apr 30 – May 6, 2009.
organized religion is a scary fact. I take comfort in convincing myself that people who don’t advertise their religion are atheist since those people far outweigh the number of “truth/fish car people” – it helps me sleep at night. perhaps this is a new bitch altogether but i despise that sign on the corner of oxford and jubilee… i do not need to read this shit every day with a new threatening message… i have a strong urge to vandalize that msg board.
Having someone watch you from the moment your born to beyond your death is a much more scary thought then being alone.
There isn’t a serious argument to creation. Some Creationism makes sense, but not if your going to try and scientifically prove it or think of it as a higher power that looks out to you.
If it’s any consolation, one of the recent Maclean’s magazine articles stated that younger generations are actually turning away from religion. And what will surprise the religious nuts is that these same teenagers are also turning away from alcohol and drugs…statistically speaking of course. They’re discovering that they don’t need church, gods or religion to be good people.
http://silenceoftheclams.com/blog/wp-conte…
It’s fake, but funny anyway.
Chesire’s grin, could these younger generation’s be turning away from religion for the mere fact that religion is now openly diverse amongst all civilizations. As such governments can’t use it to control the people in any given civilization.
Religion=fear of doing thing’s that are “wrong”=conformity=control ..something like that.
lol @ PAS
1FA1 – I would think that an increasing diversity would increase the association since more people would be able to find something they like or can identify with. But the opposite is happening. Perhaps they are questioning their parent’s religion due to the variety of belief systems out there and then deciding, “Fuck it, I can be a good person without fear directing my choices.” I think I’m a little fuzzy on your question though.
The story was saying that more and more teenagers were not associating with ANY religion; not simply switching from one to another.
one of my acquaintances was taking an class titled Evolution at one of the universities, it is a requisite for the Marine Biology degree. one day, a student came up to the prof and started chewing him/her out for not paralelly teaching creationism in the class; the prof (apparently, from the story i heard from the acquaintance) quietly heard her out, and told her to get the f out of his/her classroom.
good thing we are not in Kansas.
hmm, how to put this one, and I am no history major so I realize my facts might not be so factual and I am on limited time so can’t really look anything up, but bare with. To me regardless if there is a God or not, religion is interpreted by man. So let’s take Roman Catholics for an example. During the twelfth century ..ish?? the Roman Church’s hierarchy was the doctrinal authority of the Christian message. They believed that innovation of any kind, (i.e believing in a different God, or interpreting the bible differently than the Roman Church yadda yadda) not only went against the Church, but it also risked the salvation of mankind in general. This was what brought on the birth of heretics. If you were a member of a heretical group, depending on that groups power, you would be killed, exterminated whatever (Cathars and the Waldensians). Thanks to the inquisition, if you associated with a member of a heretical group, you would be deemed heretical yourself. As such, I am going to make the assumption that many people were scared to say they did not believe in the Christian message. O, and if you didn’t rat out someone who you thought was heretical, you would be deemed heretical too. Anyway, this would give the Roman Church a lot of control over it’s people through fear because A) if you believed in the Christian message, and didn’t listen to the pope, you were going to hell. B) If you didn’t believe in the Christian message but didn’t listen to the pope you were “burnt at the stake”. This to me would create conformity and control of a civilization through fear, follow certain “morals” and laws and you’re going to heaven. Now fast forward to nowadays. Through diversity (and thank god, freedom of speech and thought) conforming a civilization in that way would probably not work. As such, people are able to openly question religion, and statistically speaking, using myself as an example, If questioning all religions, as well as many other aspects of the spiritual world, you are probably not going to sign yourself off to belonging to one particular religion while doing a survey. Most likely for me I would say agnostic, I am not fully atheist, I just don’t know what I believe in, and will continue to question it until my death bed, regardless of what I believe in, to me wouldn’t marking down that im agnostic or atheist drop down the numbers of people belonging to a religion? Anyhow, that was way to much ranting and I don’t have time to look over it, so hopefully that makes some sort of sense.
Jesus Fish = excuse for people not knowing how to spell ‘Jesus’.
I’m sorry, but this was a very boring bitch to me.
OP doesn’t seem to like all license plates.. oh no
O and this is more focused on “our” society, i realize that this freedom of open questioning doesn’t pertain to the entire world.
lovely_lady… shut it…if u have nothing usefull to say don’t say it. on another note.. speaking of license plates- theres a new one in….??? some state in the US that has a big crucified jesus on it, theyre optional…. how ridiculous in any case… i cried on the inside when i read about that
With respect to the subject of the OP:
“Just when you think you are pious enough, you should realize you have a little farther to go.”
Its tough to buy the creationist theory. But the big bang throws me for a loop too. I bet someday we find out that the big bang is wrong.
Evolution seems pretty dang logical though, if not completely explained.
Unicorns, pixies and werewolves aren’t real!?!?
I am so disillusioned right now!
Next you’ll be saying there’s no Easter Bunny!
When I was little, I just assumed that God started the Big Bang, religion and science combined, problem solved.
I always loved the question one of my kids asked me when she was about five. It was ‘who came first, Adam and Eve or dinosaurs?’ Now she’s all grown up and remains a dedicated agnostic, just like her dear ol’ maw.
Organized religion has been ordered to stay 500 yards away from me at all times.
The big bang is pretty solid. The question is will it stop expanding, will it collapse? and obviously how did it begin.
It’s centre must have been a pure singularity so unimaginable so small that it appears to come from nowhere.
In an case religion takes away from the true mysteries that are far more vast and unimaginable then any man made god.
The creation of the universe gets me so dizzy and bloated I nearly blackout, so I stop thinking about it. Quite frankly, L. Ron Hubbard’s idea is more entertaining…even though to me its absolute BS.
Can’t wee all just admit no one knows how the fuck everything began, and really, who gives a shit, we should really be focusing on not killing eachother and not destroying what we have…
Thanks for the explanation 1FA1. I agree that the diversity of religions and the adjoining civilizations would certainly allow for thought and rationalizaiton as opposed to blind faith or fearful conformity. However, I would argue that we are not in the clear yet. There are still too many “civilizations” that remain in the dark ages where religious zealots control the masses.
And if we study the following text (http://www.theblackadder.co.uk/jokes/JokeH…) we will learn that we will all be going to hell. So you might as well believe what you want.
It’s worth pointing out that zealots are not always religious. Any ideology can be usurped by power hungry people to control others. Just look at the atrocities committed by non-religious countries under communist rule.
It’s not fair to blame religion for humanity’s faults.
True Miles. But the religious zealots are usually the most hypocritical, contemptuous dicks on the planet. At least the non-religious zealots will be honest and up-front about their atrocities without trying to justify it with some fairy tale. Small consolation I know but just saying…
All the interesting people are going to hell anyway. That’s where the party’s at. I mean who wants to spend the eternal afterlife with a bunch of pious folk, am I right?
Personally, I dig the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Pastafarianism puts forth some pretty interesting ideas. Any faith that can link global warming to the decrease in pirates is okay with me. Yarr.
What I like is the scientists bring out the Big Bang Theory and life came out of the Primordial Ooze. The religious bring out God and creationism.
God is a belief, either one believes or not.
The Big Bang, where did the materials come from and further, what caused it. And has anyone ever seen an explosion where anything was created?
The Primordial Ooze where all life came from. Does that include animal and plant life? Afterall the Earth, according to scientists was a rock. So did plants and animals come from the same protozoa? Further, scientists have been unable to create any type of lif with materials found on the planet. Yes, they can artificially inseminate, clone, etc, but they cannot make life without another living organism.
I personally think both sides of the equation requires a belief system.
I think the darwinphibian is more aggravating. I picture people in those cars as the same people that tell you that they don’t own a tv.
Yes CG I completely agree with some civilization’s still being in the “Dark ages”.
And Miles I agree with you, but I would also take a guess that the religious zealots have a bit more cooperation from the people they are controlling, because the people they are controlling have more of a possibility of believing what their hierarchy is bullshitting them with, however when religion is not used, there is more of a possibility for an uprising within the society because the people are more controlled by fear of their lives, or loved ones lives(on top of the ideologies) . Not a black and white situation, just throwing in a thought.
Either way, I think that a healthy dose of questioning is always important in any belief system, but whatever the conclusion, if it works for you, and you don’t force it onto other people (this not including a healthy debate between two people) than to each their own.
BTW where’s no dogma on this one, I figured he…/she? would be all over this one.
Me too fallingangels…as well as kay. She’s lurking, I can feel it.
I agree with the small bit of questioning, because it verifies that we havent been completely brainwashed by our chosen religion and that we contain minds of our own (it is human nature to question). But the rest I leave up to manifest in my everyday life. Religion is sometimes the only thing that keeps me sane. Thanks Jesus.
I think Mad Mom, may have something to do with Kay but thats just my opinion.
FA, (if I may call you that) I KNOW Mad Mom is Kay. I’m about 83.5% sure. Remember when she said something to the effect of “you guys won’t know me under my new handle”…and she has her same inflammatory comments. Not to mention she’s supposedly a ‘mad mom’. Come out Kay wherever you are!
LOL @Dino
1fallingangels1 and TTFN,
people who question (doubt a bit or a lot) the existence of any gods often gravitate to the word ‘agnostic’ because they think that is the neutral position on the ‘belief in gods’ line, but it is not.
Believing in a god or gods is one extreme, and that is called ‘theism’.
Believing there are no gods (is no god) is the other extreme. I’m not sure what the name for it is, but it is NOT ‘atheism’.
Not being sure, and so not believing 100% in either position is in the middle.
Atheism just means no belief in gods. It means any position except the ‘believe in gods’ extreme. It covers both the opposite extreme (‘believe there are no gods’), AND the middle ground, which it seems you are in.
If you can’t say for sure that you believe in gods or a god, then you are an atheist.
Agnosticism is something completely different, and doesn’t really belong on the ‘belief in gods’ line, so it is not a great thing to bring up when someone asks you what your position is on whether gods exist. Also, most agnostics are atheist, and to try to distance yourself from people who call themselves atheists (if that’s what some people are doing, because they think atheism is an extreme position) hurts you both by inventing a divide where there is probably none. Whew…OK, next topic…
Miles,
you are right that not all zealots are religious, but only religion has perfected that anti-questioning, anti-thinking special sauce—faith—that makes religious zealots the most zealous ones around.
ad,
the question of whether the universe will stop expanding was around for a long time, but it has been answered fairly definitely (a few years ago). The universe’s expansion is accelerating, not decelerating, and this means that it will expand indefinitely and not collapse. …but don’t worry, you haven’t missed news of the origin of the universe.
By the way, on the subject of the origin, which is more likely:
1. an ultradense point of matter etc just existing
2. an omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent being just existing
Bro Tim,
maybe the fact that scientists haven’t been able to create life by chance is that they don’t have a petri dish the size of our planet and a billion years to wait. Therefore the odds against them are stacked. Your argument does not take away from scientific theories of life’s beginning at all.
lol 1fallingangels1,
…sorry I’m late. I was busy painting giant Darwinian fish-phibians on either side of my car.
LOL no dogma, well since you put it that way, I guess I am an atheist…I think, because I don’t entirely dismiss the idea of a god, I just think it’s highly unlikely but I have the personality that if I am proven wrong so be it. I am not stubborn when admitting that I am wrong. However until I’m dead and in hell, I don’t really see a way of proving my views with out a doubt to be wrong. If there is a god/gods I think that every religion is worshiping the same dam god but with a different interpretation on what he/she/they want, If that makes any sense. As such, I am extremely against organized religions, for the very reason’s stated above.
Glad to see you could join us:)
1fallingangels1, with my nick, how could I not join you? 🙂
By the way, if a shiny giant jumped out of the clouds, said “Dude…WTF? I’m God! …sorry for the shitty evidence up until now.”, and then played a killer guitar solo and cured all the diseases of the world, I would be a believer too.
I’m open to being proven wrong about anything too, and I love it when I am. It does not mean I have lost a battle, but that I have won knowledge.
…but “extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence”.
Funny I always laugh at the entire creationism argument. I mean in the Bible God said he made the world and all life on it. Didn’t really leave a how to manual in there. We are making guesses and theories and refining them as we go along.
I do believe that there’s some poetic license in the Bible, at the same time I also can’t rule out that God acted like Q in Star Trek and just snapped it’s fingers and had everything come into shape at once.
Then told us all this big story for entertainment.
great opinions all around, i think i’ll go back to listening to Chris DeBurg – A spaceman came travelling and Spanish Train. Great songs that make about as much sense as any other theory.
Dino – loved the link
So just because they have a Jesus fish on the back of their cars, they must be creationists? Not all Christians believe the world was created 6,000 years ago. I am a Christian studying Biology at Dal because I admire the intricacies of life. I don’t think dinosaur fossils were planted in the earth as a ‘test of faith’. They’re part of the world like everything else.
We aren’t all crazy.
mmmveggies, I’m glad you can see through that part of Genesis. Hopefully you will be able to see through the rest of that silly book soon enough.
“people who question (doubt a bit or a lot) the existence of any gods” are likely direct descendants of the Jesus’ disciple, Thomas… er “Doubting Thomas”. Just food for thought that would reinforce your “religious” freedom and encourage you to keep asking the questions.
With all our study I don’t understand why both views aren’t explored? One doesn’t negate the other in my mind. I guess if you want to be all literal then God created the red rose and then the yellow, etc but genetically speaking, indeed, each one is different so it’s a matter of interpretation to say the creation story is true or false. .. uncanny how Genesis got the order of things right (as far as scientists can tell). When I squint my eyes and wrinkle my nose just right methinks the Bible story leans toward a possible truth.
Science cannot yet explain the moment before creation. Even if we do, you tell me, how could any universe or being exist without creation? Had to start somewhere, right? I’m big on the idea of a multi-dimensional universe… a thought teased out of science yet it’s reinforced by an ancient book of magical wonders where one particular guy who could cry and bleed and die like the rest of us up and took his body with him in death after doing some really amazing things with fish and sick people…. very encouraging for a geek like me.
One of the things Jesus preached was love and acceptance – things Annoyed Agnostic obviously needs to practice a little more. Condemning anyone who believes in God or follows a religion as gullible or idiotic is just as bad as the roman catholic church condemning ‘heretics’ who didn’t conform to their requirements – just because people’s ideas don’t conform to yours, doesn’t mean that they aren’t just as valid. 1fallingangel1, don’t judge a religion solely on how the leaders of its church operate – there are plenty of christian denominations who split from the catholic church for the reason that they believed they were corrupting the teachings of the bible.
Everyone believes in something. It’s not a question of science versus religion, or fact versus belief. What we believe is what is true for us – it’s that simple. If you would like to believe, like Camus, that there is no purpose or meaning to life, that its basically just a hard slog til you die – or, that the purpose of life is to enjoy it, to invest in pleasure if you will. You are free to focus your life around anything you choose.
If people choose to focus their lives on something greater than themselves, something that gives them hope, or courage, or strength when they have none, then let them be free to choose that without ridicule. They are not uneducated, closed-minded or out of touch with reality. They are only trying to make sense of the world, as is everyone else.
How dare you judge anyone on how they choose to view the world, to live their life, on what they choose to believe in?
damn, I was waiting on Kay for this one…
but I think I’m going to stay impartial.
One of the benefits of Athiesm,
cheers all.
cookiesncream,
‘CONDEMNING’ by pointing out logical fallacies and cognitive dissonance…and even by out and out ridicule…is not, by any stretch of the imagination, “just as bad” as torturing and killing. Get a clue.
kay,
I hear of so many people going down the “how could any universe or being exist without creation? Had to start somewhere, right?” road, but I never understand why people don’t apply those exact same questions to GOD(S).
If you have no problem with the idea of something as ultra-complicated and infinite as a god just existing, then assuming the same for our universe instead (multiverse or not) should be a synch.
Dogma.. nice try. Stop using common sense to provoke people…..
I shant succumb to posting…
Cookiesncream: I judge a religion solely on my personal experience. I went to a hardcore missionary baptist boarding school (we weren’t allowed to dance because that was considered demonic) As such I was constantly having views shoved down my throat and needing to be “saved” because I was one of the only business kids there. Acceptance you say? I accept someone who accepts Jesus no problem, but I have issues with it being shoved down my throat, and in openly debatable situations, I like to discuss it. It doesn’t mean I don’t accept you as a person for having different beliefs than me, in my experience people who don’t want to debate it are the ones that have trouble “accepting” people who don’t “accept” Jesus. Love and acceptance you say? What about the fundamentalist’s that wanted to come up to Canada to protest that the reason Canada’s soldiers were getting killed is because we supported homosexuals…ya ..acceptance..riiiighht. So tell me when exactly did I “Judge” anyone on this forum for believing in Jesus? I’m pretty sure that I didn’t. Organized religion yes, but you would have to be an idiot to see absolutely no corruption in that area.
Well I just read very quickly over most of the posts. It’s late and I want to go to bed but I just have to quote one point that the late Robert Anton Wilson said regarding belief systems, (as they are no different than religion).
“The more things you totally believe in, the less thinking you’re inclined to do. The less thinking you do, the stupider you get. Besides, there are no grounds for believing in anything absolutely. All you have are high probabilities.” RAW 2001
Oh, one more thing. It all has to do with how comfortable one is with ‘not knowing’. We don’t really know where we go after we die and frankly I’m quite comfortable with letting the mystery be. But if one needs to create a story so it makes one a morally ‘better’ person, *cough*, then go ahead.
#@%$, I think “religion” has more to do with defining right, wrong and our purpose for being here than it does about creating fiction centered on the consensus of morality. What gets me is people look outside of themselves for answers. I have a feeling most of the religions have some key points right but go about it all wrong… like dancing with Baptists. It’s not that song and dance are evil, it’s when we let ourselves go get naked around the fire
The only reason nudity around a fire is a bad idea is the risk of burns in especially uncomfortable places.
I would think (hope) nudity around a fire might lead to multiple sex partners… clearly unhealthy
clearly.
but fun.
…and religions are all about killing fun. People are easier to exploit that way.
…hard to get a tithe out of a hedonist.
I’m sure eating with your hands and butt fucking can be fun too but… fucking daughters right after fucking their mothers, I’m sure is fun for some people too… isn’t it about drawing some practical lines and expecting all others to treat themselves and all others with respect? Maybe we’re oblivious to this until we reproduce, look around and realize what a shit hole the world can be yet our children need to grow up in it.
Eating with your hands can be physically unhealthy, but I don’t see it as making the world a shithole.
…same goes for consentual sex, especially if all parties to a polygamist/polyandrist arrangement are aware of each other.
What does “communicable disease” tell us boys and girls?
It says ‘physically unhealthy’ but not exactly ‘making the world a shithole’. I thought I just said that about the other thing. 🙂
It should be done safely if at all, that’s all.
…and you were hoping for the fireside orgy earlier. Don’t change your tune now. lol
Shit is this turning into the whole “can you be good without god debate”?
I don’t know. …but you’re welcome to join. 🙂
Alright well how’s this then. I think you can be better without God..why you ask? I will be happy to answer that question.
With God, you follow the “morale” of that doctrine. If you don’t, you will face repercussions i.e Hell. If you are without god, besides society’s “morale” that if you break to any extreme amount’s you will go to jail, however, it’s not illegal to be an asshole.
Conclusion, I strive to make the right decision and do the right thing with no god, just because I feel it is right, and essential just because (yes I realize there is that whole argument on well what’s right, but let’s go by what society tells is right, like helping an old lady cross the street, by a coffee for a guy on the street, say hello to people you pass.) Once religion is involved however, the argument present’s itself that you are doing it because you are scared of the consequences ( this not always being the case, but you get the gist.)
as well, when i say i strive to be good, I’m not perfect at it, as you all just saw with my little meltdown on another post….oops….
Your argument implies people follow a faith blindly and without introspection. In theory, most faiths try to promote self understanding as a way to understand the divine.
In practice, you get people following religion because it provides answers and others because it provides questions and opportunities for self-discovery. Without God, you get the same kinds of people….people who don’t require religion to contemplate morality and people who don’t care.
My point is, religious beliefs have little to do with weather or not a person understands and acts in a morally correct manner. No matter what you believe or belong to, you have to think about how your actions affect others…and as any LTWWBer knows, there are some that do, and some that don’t.
Miles (from home),
faith IS blind. It is the part of your outlook on life where you shut out new evidence, and about which you have decided you no longer need to think.
The partially blind (or ‘squinty’) situation you decribe is just a mix of faith for some things and rationality for others. …seems to me the only moral guidelines we have are:
a) those we work out, by agreements with others, will benefit society in general
b) those hard-wired into us through evolution due to them being evolutionarily successful strategies
Yes there is a ‘push’, outside pure rationality, for us to be nice to each other, but people wrongly attribute it to a superhero when it is 100% explainable otherwise.
…and the more you ‘own’ your own morality, the more it can develop.
I don’t think faith is blind. Faith grows with new experiences. It is a process not a conclusion. You use faith to believe in God, then you use experience to help that faith grow and solidify. Not everyone with “faith” turns off their brain. I don’t think it is fair to paint all religious people as mindless sheep or blind idiots. Some of the best moralists and philosophers have come from religious traditions (and, of course, some are not religious at all)
I also think that “owning you own morality” is a little tricky too. I think it is important to have others validate the things we think are morally right and wrong. Ultimately we have to live in a society with other people and it is important that we be playing by the same rules. Morality is the basis for many of these rules. Not everyone who relies only on themselves for moral validation is going to be moving in a positive direction. Religion holds people morally accountable. But so does society and the law.
I agree morality does not NEED religion (which is what i am assuming you meant by 100% explainable) but I am just pointing out that religious thinkers actually understand human behaviour and offer useful advice on how we can interact with each other in a decent manner. It’s unfair to dismiss religion altogether just because some of the theology does not make scientific sense.
*dances naked around a fire, while eating BBQ and licking sauce off her fingers*
morality is intuitive, spirituality is personal……
I did not say everyone with faith turns off their brain. They just turn off (or put in ‘read only’ mode lol) the PARTS of the brain that they have relegated to being dominated by faith. 😉
Faith does not grow and solidify. Is it the essence of having already solidified and the antithesis of change and growth. If you have faith that something is right, you will never change it…or else you didn’t have faith to begin with. …but certainly there are religious people who do great things with parts of their mind not thus encumbered.
By the way, I am completely in favour of continuously validating our social arrangements and guidelines. The problem, again, is that any kind of reflection/validation is stopped in its tracks by faith. Reflection can be done by anyone to some extent…it just can’t be done on articles of faith.
Finally, I agree with you that “Not everyone who relies only on themselves for moral validation is going to be moving in a positive direction”, but isn’t it easier to see someone going down that path when they think they have a god in their corner? That kind of confidence, while not quite as strong as faith, also goes a long way toward preventing reflection..
Someone not provided the support of an invincible, all-knowing imaginary friend must fall back on my a) and b) as inspiration for morality, and both of these link them directly back with their fellow humans.
me0w!
The only thing around the fire was a bunch of naked LTWWBers. Who’s on the BBQ??
God. lol.
1fallingangels1,
this place could just as easily be called “Love the Way We Meltdown”…so no worries. Bottle it up and let it all out at once. It’s healthy! 😉
me0w,
right on. Pass me some of that. I hope it’s extra crispy.
…holy Nietzsche moment. lol
LMAO, No Dogma….my philosophy is ALWAYS served extra crispy, with your choice of dipping sauce….
I could argue that science and evolution actually lead to the chance of a god existing. Anything could have come out of the big bang, along with the stuff to make a planet could have been the stuff to make beings that may have started out small, but evolved far quicker than we do and at this point could have god like powers.
…sounds remotely plausible, but that would just be very powerful aliens…not gods.
Universe creation is supposedly on the résumé.
I think it’s the Omni- part of some god ideas that really hurt them. If god was thought to just be super powerful, knows a lot, and can do almost anything, it would appeal to a lot more scientific people. There are too many holes in the idea that someone/thing could know/do every and anything.
Personally I believe that anything is possible. Robots taking over, fire breathing dragons emerging from black holes created by the super conductor, aliens, gods, monsters, and even perpetual motion machines.
Robots will DEFINITELY take over. That one’s a given.
…40 years…tops.
and what is ‘the super conductor’??
Sorry, I mean the collider that was built in Switzerland.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_…
Oh…you mean this?…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j50ZssEojtM
Hahaha, wow, I never thought I’d learn so much from a rap song.
Exactly! I just love the idea that 5 000 000 viewers got an unexpected dose of smart with that video…myself included.