While reading a certain local newspaper this morning I read an article on a certain country singer. The full page article was about her trying something new… Co-writing 6 out of 11 songs on her upcoming album.
Is this what music has come to? We’re congratulating artists who, well into their careers, just begin to CO-WRITE HALF the songs on their album? What a joke! —#Where’smybigshinytunes2CD?
This article appears in Oct 20-26, 2011.
You really think artists haven’t been co-writing songs since the beginning of time? … Nothing is wrong with co-writing. Give the girl a break for actually trying something. Does it really matter anyway? No.
The Andrew Sisters, Elvis Presley, Milli Vanilli, Celine Dion.
They’re called ‘entertainers’.
This is a lame bitch.
Lol @ big shiny tunes 2.
The artists on those songs probably didn’t write all their own shit either. That’s one reason I like hip hop. Only now are we starting to see people who use ghost writers or co-writers. Until it became what it is today, everybody wrote their own lyrics. Or at least someone in the group wrote them. Like for example Ice Cube wrote a lot of Eazy E’s shit when they were in NWA together, that includes Eazy’s solo album. And sometimes when two artists collaborate, one person writes the whole song, including the other person’s part. Nothin but a G Thang was written by Snoop Dogg, that’s why his and Dr. Dre’s part flow so well together. Same with Forgot About Dre, Eminem wrote the whole thing including Dre’s verses, and you can definitely tell if you listen closely. Dr. Dre is a producer though primarily, he has always had other people write his rhymes, so that’s a bad example. It’s generally assumed that hip hop artists write their own lyrics. Not the case for other genres. However not too many of them make their own beats, so it’s still not ALL their music/creation.
I mean it’s pretty hard to make a professional project ALL by yourself. You need to bounce it off people, and the minute someone says “why don’t you replace that word with this word” or “maybe leave that word out” they’re technically a co-writer. It also doesn’t solely apply to lyrics, I’m talking score writing as well.
Huge stars like Celine Dion don’t write their own shit. Their voice is what people want to hear, not what’s on their mind.
There are a lot of people out there with great voices, who can play the fuck out of several different instruments, who are awesome musicians but when it comes to creating, they’re not so great. Those people drive me nuts personally because I’m the creative type that would kill to able to play some instruments and whatnot. Then there are people who can write amazing songs but can’t really sing, or aren’t fit for the camera or just don’t have that star power. It takes all kinds.
I do believe singers writing their own songs is a fairly new phenomenon in the grand scheme of things. It wasn’t all that long ago that they all just sang what was given to them, or worked with a songwriter.
Go back and check all your old albums, I’d bet good money not one of them was written entirely by the person/people on the cover.
Even the president has speech writers ffs.
Meh, it’s a country singer. Does anyone even consider that to be real music or take them seriously?
This Bitch is stoopid.
Talking about Rylee, OP? She’s a country singer. In Nashville. It’s the land of writers and collaborations.
Dumbstunnedcuntassgoblin.
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Meh, it’s a country singer. Does anyone even consider that to be real music or take them seriously?
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Only many millions of people. Not many. But it’s easy to drum up a stereotype and look down on the people that love this music. Right?
Jeez.
said it many times before, what passes today as music, 10 years ago, was cats fighting at night. and how much of an “artist, does one have to be, to make a bunch of crap, that only the idiotic fringe cares about.
i remember a time, when songs could actually rhyme with every second line, or actually had a thing called a”melody”.
but i could be wrong, maybe you have no taste, or just too lazy or stoopid to want”good music”.
all you get now, is most techno babble and some goof yapping at no one.and most of these people, do not write their own shit either. what the fuck. if someone writes it, then that someone should sing it or whatever the fuck they do with it.
yeah, call me an old fuck, but at least my ears still work good enough, to hear the sirens behind me, in traffic, in a closed in vehicle. but maybe it’s just me, and the rest of you like this shit, but hey, i feel sorry, that you couldn’t hear the real good bands and music, when they came out to play.so is life, ahhhhhhh. big sigh.
People come to their success in different ways. Some begin with songwriting, some play or sing. It’s like you’re bashing a successful dancer because they’ve just begun to choreograph their own performances. Don’t be bitter. Your time will come, little grasshopper.
Anyone can write country music, you just have to stick to the formula: pick the best part of your life, have it removed through your ass, then sing about it. Any idiot can do this, is there really any need for a co-writer???
There’s your problem OP. You’re listening to (gag) country ‘music’. (It’s pretty funny. A lot of country artists, especially Canadian ones who don’t speak with a southern US twang sing with one! Huh? I don’t get it.)
When it comes to musicians you’d be surprised how many *don’t* write their own material. Some songwriters make a pretty decent living writing material for a lot of the hits some of the big stars record and perform. Co-writing comes as no big surprise to those of us who know how the industry actually works.
… and the industry has worked that way since the first music recording. Only now everyone who contributes gets credit. Thank the AFM/CFM and the 1942 recording ban for that. No-one stands alone. It’s all a co-written soup any way when ppl draw inspiration from other musicians. It’s old news.
When lady GaGa (that piece of work) said no one inspired her she drew from no other artists … I thought that was ridiculous … not exactly on the co-writing level .. but if you really want to get down to it, no artist is unaffected.
Good point Donk. Lady Gag Me is a cross between Marilyn Manson and Madonna. Nope, no other musical or image influences there! (Yeah, right!)
Gaga said that? I can’t see how that could possibly be true. What, she came up with the idea of singing all by herself? She wasn’t aware that other people make music? It’s not like her shit is all that “against the grain” she’s like the world’s biggest female pop star ffs. Her music follows formulas that have been around for decades. I agree Donk.
I studied some of that stuff when I took audio engineering. Co-writer credits really aren’t that hard to come by.
OB, here’s a shock, many musicians can’t even READ music.
david bowie is still better than all those peoples
It was an audio interview as well, I can’t cite it mainly cause this was about 2 yrs ago right after her 2nd song I believe so she was pretty new and ppl were pretty taken so I think she or her people were trying to make her out to be this starving artist type who everything just comes to them organically. I think since then she has acknowledged some influences … cause really how stupid is that statement. Some of the things she does though … seem sooo self absorbed at times.
Ahhh well.
You’re right Bro Tim, but one could argue that you don’t need to read music to be a musician. Many of the best jazz musicians were self taught and ran by ear and they’re no less musicians than Johnny down the road who can read.
I loves me some thin, white duke tune-sis!
Music is a performance art, not a written art first. The staff, note names etc only came later.
Bebop saxist Charlie “Bird” Parker would play country on the jukebox all the time. People thought he was joking.
Parker said “It’s all about stories”, meaning country, bebop, pop, metal, whatevs.
Music and the arts, even the ones you look down your nose at, are the soundtrack and backdrop for peoples’ lives. It’s always easy to generalize like an ignorant asswipe( SHITtyD). Something insightful, said especially when something doesn’t appeal to someone, is just above some peoples’ abilities.
They would rather be an elitist prat, which spills over to other areas of their lives no doubt.
It’s just music. Let people like it without needing to stuff them into a stereotype you’re co
Fortable shitting on from Up High.
Or just GFY.
Applause wheelie, slow clap even.
Donk: A self absorbed celebrity? A pop singer at that? Never!
OC, you’re gonna have to tell me what that means. For some reason I wanna know
TJ: the Thin White Duke aka David Bowie
I like Allan Jarkson’s music. He is the king of cheesy lyrics.
Cool, GV. A lot of these bands, like Lady Antebellum and Keith Urban and Doc Walker are the pop/songwriter bands of the 80s/90s, but with country genre elements.
It’s. Just. Music.
Wp
I like Britney Spears! http://www.vivagoal.com/images/wallpapers/… http://www.thebuzzmedia.com/wp-content/upl…
http://www.cracked.com/blog/why-its-time-t…
Blow me wheelie, I don’t like country music, I don’t care who was influenced by it, who likes it or who doesn’t. That’s the great thing about music, there is genre for everyone, and it’s a matter of personal taste which you enjoy. Of course it’s an overgeneralized comment, I don’t like country music, especially the crap they pump out nowadays, so I don’t feel the need to know much about it, because it sucks and I don’t care. I also happen to agree with the OB, if you consider yourself an artist, which all musicians do, you should at least write your own songs both lyrics and music.
I love my Lady, you all suck.
Gag Me definitely knew about music… she wasn’t (very poorly) stripping to silence…
a shame the horse face and fack of femininity forced her into early retirement.
I like MM… not for the shock value that Gag Me’s so obviously ripping off…
but because he screams hatred throughout his songs…
that’s someone I can get on board with.
and not everyone can come up with such stimulating lyrics as
‘yesterday was thursday… thursday…
today it is friday… friday’
I’m sure, were the world to embrace and turn to anarchy,
I’d personally stalk and kill a great many so called ‘celebrities’ or ‘singers’…
they’re not exactly the ‘most dangerous game’, since they have the combined IQ of an unsharpened pencil…. but it’d make me feel a lot better.
aside from residing in Fairview…
Do you want to know why I’d use a knife?
Guns are too quick. You can’t savor all the… little emotions.
Donk has Lady GaGa, zZz has Marilyn Manson (I must admit when you said “M”, I thought of annie…relation maybe).
http://www.soundcheckmusicblog.com/wp-cont…
My gulty pleasure (shame face)
http://img005.lazygirls.info/people/lzzy_h…
You should listen to the song “Put Me On Top” by Aimee Mann. She said it was about a friend (her husband, Michael Penn?) but I always thought it was pretty autobiographical. Here’s some lyrics:
I should be knocking on the door of the pearly gates Why keep a poor man alive in a job he hates
I’ve heard that good things will come to he who waits
I should be riding on a float in the hit parade
Instead of sitting on the curb behind the barricade Another verse in the doormat serenade
Won’t you put me on top?
Won’t you put me on top, or change the odds
Won’t you put me on top
Or at least put some hope in the bottom of the box
Oh, at least put some hope in the box for me ’cause it’s only black and white and not a lot of each There’s a remote on the shelf, but it’s out of reach
I’d attach a link to a video, but I couldn’t find one.
OB, well it’s either that or she learns how to lie on her back and let her boyfriend physically abuse her……again. Then she’d have more to sing about.
Some of the comments here are pretty ignorant and stupid, for sure. As is the original post.
Some songwriters that can write amazing songs and musicians that can play perfectly have no business near a microphone. Just like some singers have no business near a pen and a piece of paper. They’re smart to enlist the help of other people to get their stuff out there. I think this idea that singers should write their own songs is stupid. Yeah, those that have the ability to do both are great, if they can in fact, do both. Those that can’t, and know it, deserve as much respect as far as I’m concerned.
And then there are the aforementioned “entertainers”. I think people blur the line too easily between music for art and music for entertainment. It’s easy to rip on the music for entertainment because it’s not enlightening or boundary-pushing or revolutionary… nor was it supposed to be. It’s entertaining. If that’s offensive to you, don’t pay attention to it. Other people like it, clearly, and that’s fine.
Simply put, there’s more than one way to make music, there’s more than one way to listen to music, and there’s more than one purpose for music. Take your pick because there’s a lot to choose from but leave the rest to people that don’t pick what you do. It’s be a pretty damn boring place if everyone chose the same music as you, even if they liked it. Forced Like-mindedness: such a conservative idea and frame-of-mind.