To all the tweeked-out exhaust hog riders in the HRM – SHUT UP and FUCK OFF! Your penis-extention came with a factory smoker-rumbler that did the job just fine, so why do you all insist upon adding the oversized pipes, moving your baffles and twiddling other noisy bullshit that infringes on my right to live peacefully? I shouldn’t have to listen to the constant drone, rumble and roar of you parading back-and-forth, up-and-down my street going nowhere, stopping and starting, firing it up all cool like. Assholes. Sure, it’s a busy street, with buses and bicycle bells and lots of cars honking, but you, lowly asshole piece-of-shit skid, are my biggest gripe. When will Halifax wake the fuck up and adopt a by-law a la Fredricton, Montreal, and other cities who’ve realized there’s no reason we should have to listen to your noisy ass? Watch out bitches.
— Hog Wild
This article appears in Jun 4-10, 2009.
Tim, still waiting for “Another Motorcycle Bitch” banner.
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The OP has a valid point. You can’t modify any other vehicle’s exhaust system without risking a fine under the motor vehicle act and/or the noise bylaws, yet motorcyclists are somehow exempt! Its not acceptable when a person can’t enjoy their property or even get a sound sleep as these obnoxious bikes go by.
I have no problem with courteous bike owners who understand there is no benefit to a loud bike when it comes to performance. The attention seekers simply crave the noise factor and disturb the rest of us.
Wonder how long it would take the cops to respond to my loud music? Perhaps they can stand on my balcony to discuss the issue – oh wait, I’d never hear them over the exhaust noise from the bikes below 🙂
OP: SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY!! You talk about other people infringing on your “right to peace and quiet”, you live in a fucking city on a busy fucking street for christ’s sake!! If you want peace and quiet, move outside the city! Until then shut the fuck up and quit your whining. “Oooh! I’m so hard done by! I have to listen to loud motorcycles! Blah, blah, blah! Wah wah waaaah!! Somebody feel sorry for me!” Just shut the fuck up!! It’s a fact of life that people are going to drive loud motorcycles and cars, especially in a fucking city! Deal with it!
There is a difference Never Wrong, car exhaust systems that make excessive noise are illegal, be it OEM or after-market stuff. The motorcycle industry seems to have slipped under the radar when it comes to noise levels and hopefully public complaints will result in changes to acceptable motorcycle noise levels.
HAHAHA I love you never wrong. Be happy..I’m no mechanic so I could have the terminology wrong here but where I lived it was legal to take the sound muffler’s out of bikes and bikes were the “family vehicle” so they were everywhere. Seriously, I think my record sight of most kid’s and adult’s on one bike is seven. Either way the noise bikes make here are nothing in comparison.
The funny thing is, its not like ‘skids’ can afford these noise-makers, its doctors, lawyers, and the militarily-financed who buy these things. Kinda funny, I bet they’d be the first to move to a gated community if the Angels moved in next door.
I’ve known many “skids” who were fine people just the same as I’ve met many “doctors, lawyers and the militarily-financed” who weren’t quite what I’d call decent people.
I don’t get where you are going with your post Cranky, especially with the Angels comment. All some of us law-abiding citizens want is enjoyable time outside, even if in the city, without our ear drums being blown out by self-absorbed bkers.
VoT: So you’re saying that the bikers are self-absorbed, but you’re not. You don’t want them infringing on your “rights”, but you feel it’s perfectly fine to infringe on theirs. Real nice.
I think VoR’s point NW was that the rules seem to only apply to some motor vehicles and not others…which is bit of shit show when you think about. You could have a massive stereo in your car but only ever turn it up to about 14 the decible level (of what some of those bikes output) before you would have a ticket. I don’t find they bother me all that much really, but the fact that if my muffler pooped out I could get a fine just for driving to Canadian Tire to get it fixed…that kinda sticks in my craw.
neverwrong…..it weren’t I…someone has made a voice of reason name after i made my voice of treason name…go figure lol
DER?: The funny thing is that everyone wants to go on about the decibel levels/laws/regulations, but no one really knows exactly what they are. Do you? I don’t. They all claim that it’s breaking some law, but nobody at any point in any of the copious motorcycle related bitches in the last few weeks has been able to point out what the law is. So tomorrow I’m going to call Service NS and try to find out exactly what the laws are.
VoT: sorry ’bout that. Some people just have no originality eh?
My nickname has nothing do to with orginality for fucks sakes, it got more to do with being able to come up with reasonable solutions when people like to make things complicated.
And yes, never wrong, please call Service NS and perhaps even someone in the Motor Vehicle Safety Inspection office and ask them about acceptable noise levels from motorcycle exhaust systems. Be sure to get their name and post it on here so we can question him/her if needed.
Then while you are at it, call the HPD and HRM bylaw folks to get find out why you can be ticketed for having a loud car exhaust or even for blasting your car stereo too loudly yet if you drive bike with a “wake the dead” loud exhaust its somehow fine under the law. Once again names of these spokespeople would be appreciated. Thanks!
I shouldn’t have to listen to the constant drone, rumble and roar of you blabbing at bikers back-and-forth, up-and-down my cyberspace, stomping and farting, getting firing up all fool like. Asshole. Sure, it’s a busy cyber bitch street, with asses and bitches with bells and lots of bitch wonkers, but you, lowly asshole piece-of-shit kid, are my biggest gripe. When will you, Hog Wild, wake the fuck up and buy a ticket to Fredericton, Montreal, or any other city who hasn’t realized there’s no reason they should have to listen to your noisy Hog Wild ass?
Well I found the online version of the NS safety inspection station manual at:
http://www.gov.ns.ca/snsmr/rmv/inspection/…
Part 4, section 7 for motorcycles fails a bike if a muffler: “loose, missing, leaking, impropely
repaired (i.e. muffler tape) or is not equivalent to manufacturer’s original equipment; has any loose or missing baffles”
Part 2, section 8 contains an interesting paragraph:
“NOTE: Every motor vehicle shall be
equipped with a muffler in good
working order and in constant
operation to prevent excessive or
unusual noise and no person shall
operate a vehicle on the highway
equipped with a muffler cutout,
straight exhaust, gutted muffler or
bypass or similar device.”
A motorcycle is a motor vehicle just like a car, bus, truck or other highway-licensed contraption. I would dare say that paragraph is enough to have OEM or after-market exhaust components ticketed if they emit excessive noise. The last two words leave a broad interpretation to what a similar device would be but I’d suggest it could be based on noise alone seeing how the others on the list are simply installed to bypass any noise reduction.
And HRM’s noise bylaw covers motorcycles under section 2.d:
http://www.halifax.ca/legislation/Bylaws/h…
Oh my fucking gad, pay attention:
The OP called these people “lowly asshole piece-of-shit skid”.
I said “skids can’t afford these things” (fine, nice people that they are). Sorry, I picture someone who would be referred to as a “skid” as someone on welfare.
Apologies to fine, upstanding people on welfare who resent being referred to as ‘skids’.
My Angels comment was directed to making mention of how these doctors/lawyers/professionals dress up as Hells Angels on the weekends and parade through town and country pushing 180 decibles and if they encountered an actual biker gang member they’d probably call the police, or if they moved in next door, they would move.
fuck.
I have a feeling these motorcycle bitches are all being written by the same person.
Well I can see that Cranky’s nickname was probably assigned at birth.
Ahhh, not as bad as the retards with the bass cannons in their shitty as car, so we can here the plastic body rattle showing how truly shitty the cars they drive are.
There is a difference “Neverwrong” (sorry bud but in this case you ARE). I live in the city and I fully expect that there will be “Normal Noise”. Ydep, the odd squealing tire here and there, transport truck or two, hell I don;t even mind if my neighbours have a party on the weekend! But these MORONS who go out and buy a $50,000 bike and feel that they need to let the whole world know it (and hear it) need to have their balls slapped between a couple of bricks.
There is a guy down the street from me who likes to let everyone know when he is coming home at 3 am by revving his piece of shit bike. So fair is fair. I am going to wait until he is sleeping in bed, all hungover, and go play my stereo right under his bedroom window at 6 am.
I do find it odd that there is rare enforcement of these laws. As I stated in previous posts, I have collected lots of tickets for loud pipes (and they were nowhere near the db level of straight pipes) over the years in Cities across Canada, notably Calgary LOL! Ottawa is also persistant with “pipe checks” in the downtown/market area, however I had moved on from HD’s by then.
Whenever there is a “crackdown” offenders tend to run home, put the stock pipes back on until things die down, then swap them back. It only takes 20 minutes. It is so very annoying that people still percieve themselves as “badass” or worse, that “joe public” think they are somehow “rebels”. Just have a peek as the percentage of bikes for sale on kijiji that are HD’s…ba-gillions of them.
These people are what we used to call “RUBS” rich urban bikers. However, four years ago HD drasticly dropped their prices, and now everyone and their dog has one…ya that’s origional. The real deal, most of who are in jail or hiding, rarely wear colours in public, and would seriously beat your ass if you even looked at them the wrong way. RUBS wouldn ‘t say boo, as they cannot afford to have an assault charge ruin their career.
And what the fuck is the snide little dig at folks in the military? You think a person serving their country gets free Harleys? You figure they get to skip the saving up, or applying for a regular loan like the rest of us does not apply somehow? They have a right to spend their hard earned pay the same as anyone else.
For the record. The origional “badass bikers”..of Hollister fame…the “Wild ones” rode British bikes..mostly Triumphs and BSA’s…not Harleys.
Since I ride a motorcycle, I must be a “fuck”too…sorry.
Why does every motorcycle bitch mention penis’
Most of the military people I encounter tend to be cheap pricks who make 3-4 times what I make and still ask for a ‘military discount’. My dad served 20+ years and I served 7 and I never saw him lower himself to using his ‘service’ as a means to a deal. Thats where that comment comes from.
yah, whats with the penis references? I see as many female “rubs” as old man rubs, and they probably benefit more from the vibrating noise machine than the guys, so could see why they have to have it shaking and belching.
The laws seem unclear…No person shall operate if the noise level is higher than the level originally set by the manufacturer, because of removal or modification…I found a suggested sound of 80db & under measured at 50ft,& vehicle traveling at 35 mph in looking at US web sites. being as loud as they should be.
Under Halifax By-Law N 200- Respecting Noise.
Motorcycles fall into Class A restriction for noise before 7am & after 9:30pm week days. Saturday 8am-7pm & Sunday Holidays 9am-7pm
Also PART-1 says “Activities that unreasonably disturb the peace & tranquility of a neighborhood throughout the whole municipality,and at all times, where the sound resulting therefrom is audible at a point of reception “
So again, it seems open to interpretation & has no clear measurements that allow police to place a charge or a charged person to mount a defense.But seems to be about promoting “quiet time” in the evening & early morning…the rest of the day you can let ‘er rip !
Um. But please don’t associate my disdain for cheap military people for hard feelings towards the men and women of the military. I have the utmost respect for them (well, maybe a little less for the air force folks, they’re so slack they may as well be civies). Theres cheap pricks in all professions, didn’t mean to come across as TOO cranky.
Sorry about that.
Ok people, I just called the Registry Of Motor Vehicles and spoke to a supervisor. So let’s make this abundantly clear:
There is NO, I repeat NO law/regulation regarding what is and what isn’t acceptable noise levels from a motor vehicle. It is ENTIRELY an enforcement issue. Whether or not the noise level from any motor vehicle is acceptable is entirely up to the officer. What one officer may find acceptable, another may not. The main reason that people are ticketed for having a hole in their muffler is due to the fact that it is a violation of safety regulations, not for the noise. Basically it’s up to the officer as to what kind of ticket they give you. It’s just like if they catch you speeding, they can give you a speeding ticket or they can give a failure to obey a roadsign ticket. It all depends on how nice they want to be. Also, if the exhaust on any vehicle is stock, a noise violation ticket cannot be issued. Doesn’t matter how loud it is, if it was purchased from the dealer that way, it can’t be ticketed. I spoke directly to a supervisor at the RMV and double checked the answer to each of my questions.
Neverwrong- then quote obviously the laws need to be changed! So if GM sells me a car with no muffler on it then I cannot be ticketed? That is just fucked up. At any rate, it still comes down to common courtesy in my view and obviously many of these morons have none of that. Excuse my bike ignorance but other than annoying people, does teh loud exhause serve any purpose? I mean does it make your hog go faster or something? If not..then why have it?
GM can not sell you a car with no muffler on it. That would be against the law. duh. Same reason they can’t sell you a car with no seatbelts…..
Bobby: A lot will put louder mufflers on so other drivers will notice them. Big reason for cars hitting(non jackhole riding) motorcycles is “I didn’t hear them”. I believe it, I have a friend with a stock CBR and the thing barely makes above a soft whine.
Bobby33: How exactly do you propose to change and enforce the laws? Have cops start carrying a decibel meter with them and use it like the would a radar gun? And how do you deal with the issue of transport trucks? They make an aweful lot of noise too, especially when they engine brake. Do you start ticketing them as well, causing an increase in their costs, thereby driving up the price of the products they are transporting? It’s not a cut and dry issue that can suddenly be made illegal.
Actually Never Wrong I am glad you asked that. I was in Fredericton a few weeks back and that is exactly what the cops were doing. THey had decimal meters and were pulling over bikes (and cars) and ticketing those that were too loud. As far as trucks go, there are many signs in areas around the city that read “Trucks: No Jake Braking”. Not sure if trucks ignoring those signs are breaking the law or whether the signs are just a courtesy.
As far as the “Making Noise so you can be heard because drivers cannot see you” argument that is a crock of shit. There are a ton of bikes on the road with “normal” mufflers that are not in accidents because people “cannot see them”. That is just plain dumb and an excuse for being an ass.
Bobby: For the car drivers yeah. IF they bothered to look everywhere and check blind spots there wouldn’t be a problem. Until that happens, some people are still going to add on after stock parts to make themselves heard. I’m not saying everyone with a loud muffler is doing it for that reason, but I know some are.
thanks donkey. I guess the loud muffler is preferable to one of those lame neon flags that stick up and let people know where you are.
People still need to look for the flag though. The amount of people who don’t check their blind spots or even their mirrors is scary, not just for bike riders but for everybody.
re: “I bet all the motorcycle bitches are being written by the sam person.” It is posible that the noise bothers people, more than one of them. And if “I didn’t hear them” is a valid reason ffor bike-noise, how is it hybrid cars are making it around safely? Bike-noise by after-market mod is criminal and should be written into a bylaw in Halifax.
For the last fucking time. Loud pipes do not, in fact, in proven, extensive stuides save lives. The reason this urban legend continues to perpetuate itself, is because what other excuse would make any sense at all. “cause they sound cool and it makes chick look” is not exactly what you are going to hear from a 58 year old software engineer. I am not going to explain to you how the doppler laws negate the argument of “lets em hear ya coming up their blind spot”. I suppose helmet laws suk too ‘eh?
Cranky, thanks for the military generalization. Cheap, and and slack air force types. Newflash for ya. I served for 25+years, the first 8 in a combat regiment, jumping out of the aircraft the “slack” airforce kept in the air…well, it looked so appealing I joined them. Grass is always greener eh? It turns out I had way more time off and shorter hours as a grunt. When I finally hung up the spurs, I was working 10-12 hours a day, and weekends. Thanks 911…I digress, please don’t paint everyone with the same wide brush. I had never heard of “military discounts”, and did not hear of them until I came out here. I am told they were everywhere, but just not well advertised…anyway, hope I did not sound too anti-cranky ;~)
FlyingBrick: Prove they don’t. I don’t care either way, it’s a philosophical question, and Bobby asked why some people use them aside from loving the noise. I answered.
Flying brick, I think my impression of the air force is tainted by my dad’s prejudice, he being in pre-unification and never gotten over it. I think he’s still pissed at Trudeau (my dad was Black Watch when it was reduced to reserve status).
I do know a few air force guys (techs, not pilots) and even they say I was stupid to join the army, that they have it the best of all the branches.
Thanks Cranky. During my career, I rubbed shoulders with all three branches, and found that your chosen profession is what you make it. If you were to talk to the same techs now, they may tell a different tale. DND is operating on a war footing, so the op tempo is ramped way up..since 911 to the day. Sure the Airforce don’t have to ride (I remember walking) in a 6 wheeled IED magnet, and some get to stay in Dubai instead of KAF, but the hours tend to be much longer, and the consequences of error just as, or more in many cases, just as fatal. Regardless, Cranky, you took the oath, stood on the wall, and Canada should never forget that. Thanks 🙂
SwampDonkey, I do n ot have to prove it..it has been proven time and again..google it for fucks sake…or own and ride Harleys, Truimphs, BMW’s and numerous bikes over a period of 39 years, in all conditions, and get back to me. FACT: second only to poor riding skills, visibility is the second most common cause of bike wrecks. Driver just don ‘t see us. Not because they want to kill us, are blind or stupid..we are just hard wired to look for other cars, trucks, poles etc. Just the way it is…invest in a pair of dual Fiamm airhorns (easy to hide on any bike)..they are truly scary.
The best I can hope for here (beacause plagiarizing would be too tempting for me) is for you to read this;l
http://www.virginiawind.com/byways/loud_pi… …and while you are at it, it you have the time, as it is loooong and comprehensive, read the Hurt report. My most serious accident was textbook. Middle of the day…below speed limit..intersection, and I had eye contact with the driver (at his point all veteran riders are knowingly nodding their heads)…at the last second, her kids distracted her in the back seat, she turned to scold them, forgot about traffic, and lunged into traffic…one of those helmets that “suk” saved my life, as I t-boned her car and nailed the passenger door with my noggin (expains a lot eh?) Loud pipes would not have saved me, or in the case of the other two “sliders” (my bad/inexperience) back in the day.
I don’t have to prove they don’t save lives…I know they don’t.
I did Google it, and found nothing conclusive on either side of the argument.
Well, next time you get cut off, or nailed in an intersection on your “modified V-twin” ( I won’t specify Harleys’ because there are so many Japanease Vtwins as well) you will assume that it was because they did not hear you?
Hows this analogy. The second you hear a siren, you can immediately locate the position and speed of the emergency vehicle? No you can’t .And they have bright colours and flashing lights. It takes seconds of looking around and checking your mirrors to locate the vehicle.
I realize there will be no convincing you, just know that we know why they are out there. When I had illegal (well, in Alberta, Ontario and BC, pipes on my Harelys, I never told anyone it was to make motorists “aware of location while in traffic thus making me safer”…no, I had them like everyone else..I thought they sounded cool and that they had a high CDI factor…no bullshit about their life saving qualities. I have lots of freinds who ride lots of different types and styles of bikes. Some loud some whisper quiet and everything in between. Most have had at least one wreck. The ones that involved another vehicle were due to…again the other driver not seeing them.
Go ahead SwampDonkey, you can say it….”loud pipes are cool”… no harm in that 🙂 Just don’t count on them to save your life.
Flyingbrick, agreed. If loud pipes are so great and supposedly lets other drivers know where they are, then why do they get cut off? Simple, drivers ahead do not hear them (the noise from th pipes are directed to the rear), they are small, and they, in most cases, come up very quickly. If you can’t see or hear them, accidents will happen.
Try an experiment. Watch the street and see when you can actually hear a motorcycle approach. You might be surprised.
Dude, I’m not saying loud pipes are cool. Did you miss where I said I don’t care either way? I’m not defending them you dink, just answering why some people probably put the damn things on.
Dude!..so you were drunk when you posted this?;
…”Big reason for cars hitting (non jackhole riding) motorcycles is “I didn’t hear them”. I believe it”… you dink.
Thanks for coming out though. Perhaps if you actually ever owned any motorcycles, specifically a V-twin, you would be qualified to make such statements…dude.
I can believe they work and not personally defend putting them on, idiot.
Damn, I am crushed . Your flawless train of thought, your clearcut stand on the issue, finds me choking in your intellectual dust. You are not a bumbling confused fence sitter on this issue, no sir. Your clarity leaves us in awe.
Idiot.