So an ad for vaginal yeast infection cream appears on the children network here in Dartmouth. So THAT is ok but Dire Straits gets censored? Holy fuck, these politicos need their heads pulled right out of their rectums; my feeling is the ring has sealed right against their necks so pull hard! My 5-year-old is kinda wondering WTF… —Country Going to the Dogs

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  1. Complain to your MP that you do not agree with censorship. That the politically correct movement in this country, nor In My Opinion does anyone else, have the right to be censoring the Arts, music, books, television or the internet.

  2. Hank Evans: Vagiclean,” huh? What’s the matter, honey? Little extra cheese on the taco?
    Mrs. Bittman: Excuse me?
    Hank Evans: No, excuse me. There’s no tag on this.
    [grabs microphone]
    Hank Evans: Price check on Vagiclean, aisle five. I repeat: price check on Vagiclean, aisle five. That’s Vagiclean. We’ve got a customer down here with a full-on fallopian fungus. She’s baking a loaf of bread and I think it’s sourdough.

  3. I predict the ban on the song will be reversed but nothing will ever stop the barrage of tasteless tv ads.

  4. 6 year old girls want to be Fergie and 10 year old boys take time out from GrandTheftAutoing to send Grandma a link to 2Girls1Cup and wonder why she doesn’t LOL like he did…. Wait a tic?
    Oh, I’m sorry. this is my response to the previous Subliterate Journalists bitch.

    Anybody remember Classics Illustrated Comic Books.
    They totally rawked. >: )

  5. What is so obscene about a yeast infection? It’s a fact of life and if you can’t explain it to your kids, you need to be a little more frank and honest about human physiology with them.

  6. if your 5 year old wonders so words, then i wonder what you are teaching him/her too? ads know no bounds of good taste. same as for booze ads on the toon network, and holy fuck, we wouldn’t want to get caught smoking and driving now, would we?
    they take smoke ads off, because they think kids will start younger, hel-fucking-lo, drinking younger is worse than a fucking smoke. and let’s not forget all those nice little diet ads, on a food network yet. holy great fuck people.
    what is next, euthenasia on the life network, or how about ads for funeral homes and shit like that? o.p., while i kind of agree to what you say, it is after all, the electronic babysitter, give them some leeway.

  7. Jesus christ, zed! That was beyond nasty.

    I think the reason why they put yeast infection commercials on the cartoon network is because they figure mom’ll be watching with their kids, or something.

    And guys get yeast infections too, you know. Uncircumcised guys are especially at risk, apparently.

  8. not so kitty, never, ever had one, and by the way, it was only done for relegious reasons to jewish kids. then after the war, the thing got press somehow, and then it became the fashion. all it does is deaden the head, nothing useful at all. and also looks real stupid.

  9. Yeah, PK said it and so did you OP. YOU, I’m assuming a mom, were watching the show with your child as advertisers know you will be. So you get ads for things that could be of interest to you. I’m sure no kid knows what a yeast infection is and if you can’t even tell your kid about yeast infections I think you should just call it quits right now!

  10. Yeah and not all women get vaginal yeast infections, suckers. Men who are uncut are just at a higher risk than men who are, I would think from a purely mechanical point of view. You’re especially at risk if you’re spilling sugar into your urine and/or are on antibiotics. As well, men can get penile yeast infections from having sex with a partner who has a yeast infection. It’s not overly common, but it apparently *does* happen.

    I remember ads for Always and Tampax back in the day during kids shows…*shrug*

    OH and those ads with the mother and daughter where the daughter has that “not so fresh feeling” and the mother’s all “I understand, dear” and hands her a box of vag douche. CLASSIC.

  11. Ah yes…the terrible absorbant feminine pad commercials…its been Years & i still remember them !
    What is it with blue liquid always being used ?
    I mean where’s the truth in advertising ?
    does blue liquid have the same properties as blood ?
    Why not pick a different color, for say, light days ?

  12. Well blue liquid shows up better than water and a red liquid would look too much like blood which would cause some “concerned parents”/feminists to have a conniption. Then there’s also the fact that blue is a “cool” colour or something like that. That’s my theory, at least. I could be wrong.

  13. Maybe the channel bigwigs figure moms are watching tv with their children, instead of using the tv as a babysitter. a vaginal yeast infection pop-a-pill extension thingy ad also showed up on SpikeTV….shouldn’t it be on OWN?

  14. a yeast infection is part of being human…defending a song that contains an evil word is part of being an animal!

  15. Sorry but, an ad for a yeast infection is not the same as a slur targeted at minorities. So, this bitch makes no sense, implying that the yeast infection ad is just as bad if not worse than the Dire Straits’ use of the word “faggot”. Not that the Dire Straits ban doesn’t completely take the word “faggot” out of the context it’s used in the song. It’s Huckleberry Finn all over again just a different slur and a different minority. The Straits used the word because that’s how the character in the song would have realistically talked, not because they hate gay people. It’s simplistic thinking at best to ban this shit and moronic at worst. Think about it, this song was only censored because someone got offended about it and complained. If we’re going to let this one slide we have to let every single other one for every other offended person slide as well… there goes 50% of all music. Then again most of it is shitty anyway… but still.

    I skimmed through the comments above and I apologize if this has already been said but women get yeast infections because our urinary tract is very short. It’s incredibly easy for bacteria to get up there. As opposed to a mans very long urinary tract in comparison. That’s why way more women get them than men. And be skeptical of all the “studies” showing that uncut men get more infections. There’s a whole campaign out there claiming all sorts of absurdities backed up by dubious science claiming that circumcision decreases your chances of getting everything from HIV to cervical cancer in women, WTF?

    These are all unfounded myths desperately trying to guise themselves as real science to keep a primitive and barbaric practice relevant in today’s society. Foreskin does not significantly increase the risk of a UTI, there is no credible science currently accepted by the medical community to suggest circumcision as a necessary precaution against UTIs. In fact, the foreskin evolved specifically to protect the urinary tract opening from bacteria. A recently circumcised penis is more likely (during it’s weeks of healing) to become infected than an uncut man’s penis is for the rest of his life.

    I cut is not cleaner no matter what anecdotes people post on the internet. Circumcision has no value to health that we know of, it’s thus an unnecessary and purely cosmetic surgery. Some parents know all this and still cut their kids, isn’t it fucked to cut a piece of your baby’s body off so that his dick will be aesthetically pleasing to all his future sex partners? Yes, fucked and creepy as hell. Personally I think subjecting babies to unnecessary cutting at such a vulnerable age before they can consent to it is nothing short of child abuse.

  16. When did liberals go from supporting free speech to becoming friendly fascists? Gotta love how idiots take songs and books literally and completely miss the points the artist was trying to make.

  17. Hey snoop, I think you’re mixing up yeast infections with bladder/urinary tract infections. Yeast infections usually stay in the vagina/vulva, though there can be pain during urination too. Yeast infections are usually an excess growth of an already existing bacteria in our vaginas. Can be caused by soaps, stress, diet, synthetic fabrics, etc, etc… Yeast infections can be treated with meds from the drug store, but a urinary tract infection needs antibiotics from your doctor, so you probably won’t see ads for that on TV.

    Men can get both of these things… just much rarer.

    PS: I don’t get the whole aesthetic thing either. It isn’t a particularly attractive part of the male anatomy anyway… it’s all how it’s used, right Suckulicious?

  18. Snoop, having a bad day? Money for Nothing was written satirically, and more than one gay group has spoken out in support of Dire Straits.

    What do you think of these lyrics?

    Will me, thrill me
    You can never kill me
    Jew me, sue me
    Everybody do me
    Kick me, kike me

    An uncircumcised penis, that is….less than clean can spread several types of diseases.

    This article was the first that popped up on google.

    http://www.circinfo.net/cervical_cancer_in…

    Medical reason for circumcision? Here’s one, puberity – the penis grows, the foreskin doesn’t.

    Aesthetics, hygiene, smell, are all reasons for circumcision.

    ralmn!!, I’ll have you know that my dickey-doo is very handsome, good posture too.

  19. dickey-doo? hahaha, my brudder called his diddley-doo. i think it’s a generational thing hugo, my impromptu poll has revealed that…and i haven’t been slapped yet^^

  20. Hugo, you should try reading the entirety of Snoop’s post. She defended Dire Straits’ usage and said it’s moronic to ban the song because of the word, which is basically the position of pretty much all rational people (even crazy feminist bitches like me!)

    On another note: Brendon, I think most of think the blue liquid is ridiculous. I think feminists (and most women in general) would welcome seeing less ‘fluffy’, whitewashed maxi pad commercial, since it would be a departure from the prevailing shame/denial usually associated with female bodily processes.

  21. Also, there is no conclusive scientific evidence that circumcision is medically useful or necessary. Humans survived for a few thousand years without slicing up their boy children’s genitalia. Hygiene should be an issue regardless of whether or not you’re circumcised. A dirty dick is going to potentially spread disease in either case. I’ve gotten cozy with my fair share of uncircumcised penis, and have never had either aesthetics or smell be an issue, and I’m sure those fellas can assure you that foreskins are very capable of stretching to accommodate growth. Let’s call it like it is: circumcision is tradition/religion/parental choice and nothing more.

  22. halifax mentor… there’s nothing ‘Evil’ in the word faggot.
    What IMO is truely Evil…is censorship. by RELIGIOUS GROUPS, the so called Government POLICY & LAWMAKERS. When the way people think & express themselves has to be censored. Kind of like what gay & lesbian people endured for years…now that you have stepped out as they say. Many of you are as quick to pick on others , as you say you were picked on.
    There’s nothing to make a case of on Dire Straits song. If you personally don’t like it or them, don’t support them or listen to them, fine…but don’t be a fucking hypocrit & try to get them thrown into a closet somewhere !
    Same goes for that B S done by a publishing company removing the word ‘nigger’ from Huckleberry Flinn & replacing it with ‘slave’ !
    Allow that shit to continue & in a couple of generations, there will have been no ‘slaves’ in America ever. It’ll be banned & the language ‘cleaned up’ . The tale will be about 2 kids going for a raft ride, they will be nondiscript & of no discernable shade !
    What”s that line about if you don’t learn from History, you’re doomed to repeat it ! How the hell you ever going to learn anything if its constantly edited so it doesn’t ever offend anyone ?
    Plus how can it be edited to stop offending people, when the action of editing it, causes others to be outraged & offended ?

    No freedom of expression & freedom of speach , the Arts etc. need to be allowed the freedom for those to express their ideas as they please, whether you or I agree or not. We can then express our pleasure or outrage by how much or little we support them.

  23. Hey Hugo, I was refrencing what a member of the band said about the song. I’m not interested in debating song meanings. But if you think your interpretation is more correct than what the band says, then feel free to argue with them 🙂

    Actually, the original study that linked uncut men to cervical cancer in their partners was published in the New England Journal of Medicine back in 2002, and that study was flawed and discredited. Every pro circumcision leaning person I have ever argued with about this has fallen into the hole of directly or indirectly siting that study without first giving it a critical look. Every other institution that tried to replicate its findings were unable to do so. Most medical institutions that specialize in researching cancer do not recognize circumcision as a viable means of reducing cervical cancer in women. But the idea caught on anyway. This is what happens when bad science gets into the media before it can be conclusively proven or falsified.

    Puberty? Please, your foreskin might grow a little slower than the rest of you during puberty, but if it didn’t stretch or grow at all then by the time you were 18 I’d be so tight the tip of your dick would be turned into mush. Discomfort is normal during puberty and most uncut guys get through it fine once they manage to pull it back for the first time. There’s a few exceptions where the foreskin on an individual can be a problem yes, but those few cases are no reason to circumcise everyone as an infant. Did you know that circumcised men can actually “regrow” their foreskin? Actually, they “re-stretch” it. But the results look the same as if they had never been circumcised at all, except for that scar.

    Aesthetics are a matter of taste, but I could never justify cutting a baby for aesthetics.

    Hygiene, smell? If you shower you won’t smell. Uncut guys who don’t have good hygiene will smell gross down there and cut guys who don’t have good hygiene will also smell bad down there. Here’s an anecdote for you, I’ve found cut guys to smell worse than uncut guys, maybe because the uncut guys make a point out of washing their dick just to get under their foreskin.

    And as for the whole smegma thing even though it hasn’t been mentioned. Smegma is not dirty, it’s actually full of anti bodies that fight bacteria. If you don’t wash, yeah it’ll get dirty… just like every other part of your body will get dirty if you don’t wash it on a regular basis.

    And thanks ralmn for the correction, at first I didn’t know what you were talking about. In the second paragraph of my comment I was responding to a comment above about bacteria in the urinary tract, but looking back I did get mixed up and typed yeast infection again, oops!

  24. HAHA my grandmother used to call “dicky dee” (the ice cream dude) “dickey doo”. HAHA.

    Anyway, I agree with snoop — circumcision has no real health benefits, and there have actually been cases (well a ‘case’ i read about in my LGBT class in my BA) where the procedure was botched and the baby was given gender reassignment to become a girl, raised as a girl but always identified as a boy and ended up having a painful re re assignment surgery to become a dude again. (I guess the issue here was: should parents be making these decisions for infants because they can’t consent — mainly in the context of gender assignment if the baby is born with both genitals, etc… but I think it could work in this case)

    Interestingly, my cousin just convered to Judiasm and she told me that men in her class who were uncut had to have a circumcision and even men who were cut had to have a needle prick on their penises to signify the religious aspect of the procedure.

    Honestly, I’d say it’s up to the baby’s father if you’re going to go the deciding route. A lot of men want their sons to be the same as them or may have opinons on why they want the opposite of what they have. They have more experience with a penis than us ladies do!

  25. I also heard about that story Pretty Kitty. Here’s the Horizon documentary on it. It’s extremely sad and depressing.

    http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/dr-money-bo…

    Let me make it clear that this one horrific case is not the norm, the vast majority of circumcisions are not botched… all of them are still unspeakably cruel though. There are plenty of other reasons to not circumcise your kid besides the small chance that your kid might lose his penis entirely.

    I disagree on your last point Pretty Kitty. No father of my child is going to convince me to let my newborn baby be needlessly cut and hurt, no matter how insecure they are about their sons penis not matching theirs (why does that even matter?). I don’t believe that his penis gives him authority over me when it comes to deciding whether or not to subject our baby to needless pain.

  26. I agree, snoop. Father-son matching penises is a pretty bizarre notion. Imagine mothers slicing up their baby girls so their vaginas matched. Creepy dude.

  27. I don’t necessarily think circumcision is cruel. Unnecessary, sure, but if my significant other was dead set on circumcising our son, I wouldn’t put up a huge fight.

  28. some doctors won’t do it anymore…and please folks don’t compare circumcision with fgm. tho in a lot of tribes the butchery is done by other women

  29. I wasn’t endorsing infant circumcision. But there are pesonal & medical reasons. Ladies, as to my earlier post, skin stretches only so far then it splits, and you thought that chapped/split lips hurt.

    My brother (true) used to like dating Jewish girls, they’d never seen an uncircumcised penis before :O

  30. What gets me is how it’s seemingly the norm to be circumsized and it’s SOOOOO rare and scary to be uncut in hollywood…anyone watch nip/tuck or sex in the city? Characters in both shows freaked out about being uncircumcised/having sex with an uncircumcised guy! Pleeease. I know lots of guys that are uncut (no, I haven’t slept with them all, they’ve just shared that info with me). It’s totally not a rare thing at all!

  31. according to my unscientific poll…men in their 40’s and older tend to be circumcised. now most men are not. no pk i’ve watched neither of those shows

  32. In nip/tuck one of the characters attempts to circumsize himself because his girlfriend won’t sleep with him otherwise and his dad, a plastic surgeon refuses to do the procedure. He ends up passing out from pain/blood loss and his dad ends up fixing his junk. And then the gf breaks up with him…I think.

    I’ve also been told that circumcision depends a lot on geographic area, even within Canada.

  33. I think your poll (pole!) it pretty correct painey. Though I would hazard a guess that it’s actually only been the last 20 years where it was questioned a bit more in the mainstream. one of my bros is and one isn’t. he he. there’s 5 years between them. It was just a given, but then after this whole parenting thing, my mom said – why? So the baby didn’t get clipped 🙂

    Anyway, I’ve dealt (:D) with both on an intimate level, and really, I can’t imagine getting to that stage in the proceedings and thinking about the state of their foreskin as a deal breaker! Ha ha.

  34. …and i never asked for physical confirmation of the one-eyed trouser snake. just a yes/no or in some cases “piss off you lunatic”

  35. Sure if a guy grows up and decides he wants to be circumcise for whatever reason, power to him. But infant circumcision is always wrong in my opinion unless there is a viable medical need for it… which there usually is not.

    No one is comparing male circumcision to female circumcision, which is basically equivalent to cutting off the head of a penis entirely. But we shouldn’t give male circumcision a free pass just because it’s “not as bad” as what some girls go though in other countries. It’s not as bad as it could be no, but it’s still bad… and it’s happening here and now for no good reason.

  36. the nip/tuck thing reminds me of the old indian joke,”heap too much”. anyway ralmn, kitty, and the rest of you ladies, i love you, and am here for demonstration and experiments, if you wish. one eyed willy says it’s a go, all the way.

  37. Thank you both luverly ladies of teh World of Bitchcraft >: )
    Painey, did you find that pic with your special “They Live” glasses? *narf*

  38. Discomfort is common, just like discomfort is common when a girl breaks her hymen for the first time, or has her first period. Discomfort is very common during puberty for boys and girls yes, it’s part of puberty. It’s not a reason to circumcise. Some boys have a bit of discomfort pulling it back the first time and others don’t. And lots, can’t pull it back at all because it’s too fused to the glands and/or too tight. Usually this is just because they are still developing down there and simply need to wait a bit before it will retract easily. A few may have mild to severe phimosis, which is often misdiagnosed in puberty aged boys who are actually completely normal, this leads to unnecessary circumcisions. And even in those cases of true phimosis, circumcision is usually and should be a last resort (except in the more rare severe cases that can cause problems with urinating and sex) and if it isn’t your doctor is jumping the gun.

    But the foreskin actually splitting during adolescence is only common because boys are told that if their foreskin doesn’t retract then there’s something wrong with their penis and it won’t work right, that is completely false. They freak out, (omg it won’t retract what do I dooo???!!) and end up trying to force it back resulting in a painful split. Most boys are too embarrassed to ask their doctor about what they should do when it does, but you’d be hard pressed to find a doctor that would recommend circumcision as a reasonable course of action after a split in a puberty aged boy, that’s a bit drastic (“Doc, I cut my finger”, “BETTER CHOP IT OFF!!!”). It certainly isn’t the only course of action. Let it heal, get some disinfectant cream, might sting a little when you pee, and don’t get ahead of yourself next time, or wait a few years to pull it back, or just don’t pull it back at all! A lot of the times when the foreskin is too tight to be pulled back, phimosis or no, it’s recommended for the guy to just leave it like that. There are perfectly healthy men out there who have never been able to pull back their foreskin because of it being too tight and/or too tightly fused to the glands. Men who have no problems with the ladies, have great sex lives (no loss of sensation), fathered children, the whole shebang.

    So if it’s still too tight after puberty you can get a circumcision, or you can opt for the less scary V slit that will open up the foreskin just enough for it to retract. There’s also steroid creams, if you don’t mind that sort of thing. Or you can go online and read testimonials about ‘stretching exercises’ and try those out if you’re up for it, if emo kids can do it to their ears…(yuck) Or you could just leave it that way and enjoy all the same things circumcised and uncut-but-able-to-retract guys enjoy doing with their penises.

    I say all this as someone who doesn’t want penises to get hurt.

    I say all this as a lover of penises.

  39. I’m whole, and I made damn well sure no one touched my sons cock with a scalpel either! fuck! lol

  40. My daughter told me that there was a scene in the Twilight book where the main guy had to give his mate a caesarean with his teeth…good thing vampires don’t circumcise.

  41. Those were the most fucked up books I’ve EVER read. Seriously, I would never let my daughter read them (well, of a certain age). All that teen-aged angst bullshit, and that scene where this vampire baby is basically busting out from her womb – that’s some fucked up shit, right there. Gah, and it was MY MOTHER who told me I just HAD to read them. So I did, only so that I could argue clearly with people who thought the stupid books actually had any merit! (I’ve tried purging them from my brain, so I forget a lot of the details and I will NEVER see a movie. Ever.)
    /rant

  42. While I do enjoy lively banter and intelligent discussion…. thanks to this thread

    I AM NEVER HAVING SEX AGAIN!!!!!!!!!

    We now return you to your regular bitch

  43. Maybe I should get my daughter to read this thread then = p
    or to really make the point, I can wait until the in depth discussion of STDs are covered = )

  44. Why would you never have sex again Rosie? So much information from lover of penises – I have a lot of empathy as I happen to be one myself! 😀

  45. Good point ralmn. I take it back!

    LINE FORMS ON THE LEFT BOYS!!!!!

    $50 A POP!!!!!!!

    (j/k mod ;D)

  46. I dunno – CLOP is a pretty good name 😀

    I’m not very good at naming, but I can run a wicked meeting and organize various kickass social events! Seeking corporate sponsorship is also within my skill set.

  47. lovers of penises=lop(s) hmmm, not so much. my charitable org. is avoiding that for now ralmn, but if you do it for free many dogs will sniff you^^

  48. Ya, that’s why I figured I’d put the C in front – Club for the Lovers of Peni. Ha ha.

    Avoiding seeking corporate sponsorship painey? Pourqoi? I’m sure there are lots of orgs that would give to your charity… I could help for doggy kisses 🙂

  49. it’s strange and complicated, that’s why we pick and choose our events carefully. we have lots of support, we just want to avoid the giant overwhelming corporation. things ebb and flow over the years and everything is in flux

  50. last nite they had a commercial for strawberry/chocolate sex goo on at like 9 pm … too late for me to get some… I mean wtf there’s children watching at that hour still! 🙂

  51. i hate that person ivan and rosie i actually googled vampire bris but couldn’t find anything disgusting/funny… damn

  52. that’s kinda too bad, but I doubt it would anything as disturbing as what my imagination has already come up with.

    BTW, got any more books PG? (anything not having to do with vampire cesareans)

  53. We all hate her Painey. Grrrrrrrrrrrr. Pay me a visit some Saturday, Rosie. Uncle Vanya will hook ya up.

  54. You want disgusting?
    Metzitzah b’peh:
    the process of removing the baby boy’s foreskin in three steps: The foreskin is cut, the mucous layer underneath is removed with a flick of the mohel’s fingernail and then the blood is removed through oral suction.
    Yup, that’s the traditional method. But, due to many babies contacting herpes from the mohel’s mouth, it has been mostly discontinued.

  55. haha, yes…i’m reading jon stewart’s book “earth” out loud at the shop. the color wheel is priceless. what is your favourite genre of book? hey commander, come in, i have another one ready for the ship

  56. Thanks Kim – ick. Definitely not allowed in the newly formed BLOP Club (Bitchin’ Lovers of Penises Club).

    As long as it works for your group, painey, that’s what matters. Even if you had someone put together a really strong proposal that you could dig out and edit whenever you need it, that’s always really helpful. I’m sure you have something lovely already. Sometimes looking for funding on a project basis is really the best for smaller groups.

  57. aaargh…the boy is a helmet head, it healed faster than his belly button. we are a huge group ralmn, but mostly through our volunteers. we even have a subgroup in nfld

  58. hahaha “helmet head.”

    ROFLZ.

    Sidenote: where the FUCK did all the bitchers go this past week? Hardly any zZz or sebastard posts, no NGF posts, RC and jonno have gone MIA…even suckers seems to be cutting back on the posts..wtf guys? W. T. F.?

  59. We in the History/Humanities dept at Uni called them Roundheads, a rather Cromwellian reference.

    I don’t have to pay dues for BLOP, do I?

    When the money fairy arrives Commander.

    Do I have to pack a bag PG? I’ll read almost anything… if it’s crap I stop reading ;D That Deaver one has made me right paranoid, thanks for that!

  60. No Dues, dude – the members charge, remember? Ha ha.

    I may be in this weekend too, Ivan. Whether I get my bravery up or not to introduce myself is another matter. Finally a weekend in fair Halifax.

    Has anyone heard from RC at all?? Well? Is it a boy or girl, chickie!?

    It’s been a quiet week in the duchy. Makes for a long day at work.

  61. You’d better Ralmn. If I’m being pleasant to customers it better be for a damned good reason.
    No kidding about the money fairy Rosie, but still, give me a rough idea of what you like (genres, authors, specific titles you’ve been itching to read) and stay tuned. The flying spaghetti monster may or may not work in mysterious ways, but the Admiral definitely does>: )

  62. I like horror, history, thrillers that kind of stuff, but if anyone out there has any suggestions…

    And Balls, I really have no problem with TRAMPS.

  63. PK, when you take a thread and ramble on about our junk for hours…
    it’s no wonder.

    I can honestly say I’d rather memorize “Stars are Blind” WITH what might loosely be called dance moves….
    than talk of ‘peeling the banana’…

  64. Goes perfectly with a peeled banana!

    bahaha…

    I like TRAMPS too ;D

    See you Saturday, Ivan, if all goes well and I can lose the OCD boyfriend for a bit, wouldn’t want him getting twitchy!

  65. hahaha, i say we combine that ad with “throw it on the ground” meow…bling in your fling. heehaw

  66. Are books being given away?!
    I’ve been looking for:
    The Four-Gated City; The Sentimental Agents; The Golden Notebook, Doris Lessing
    Against All Things Ending, Stephen Donaldson (The Last Chronicles of
    Thomas Covenant)
    Poetry by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
    I read Choice of Gods by Clifford Simak, and I would like to explore him further.

    After years immersed in writers of the past, especially Russian realists and female authors, I wanted to start reading more contemporary authors. Since buying books are a luxury, I find it difficult to decide what books to buy. Even buying second hand, it can get expensive for me. But, I have gotten lucky at Value Village and the Salvation Army when they have a 99 cent sale on books which gave me the opportunity to explore contemporary authors.
    A sampling of some authors I found and enjoyed:
    A.S. Byatt; Margaret Atwood; Michael Ondaatje; Toni Morrison; AmyTan; Gabriel García Márquez; Bharati Mukherjee; Arundhati Roy; Amy Tan and Paulo Coelho.

    Reading this list, if you can suggest some others, I would really appreciate it. I have wasted much money on some fairly crappy stuff.

  67. No Painey – that was clearly an empty threat on my part. >: (

    Kule Zedman! – now I know where I want my summer cottage to be. *narf*
    When the folks were stationed in Lahr there was a crumbling Maginot Line outpost across the border in Alsace. I “liberated” a piece of barbed wire from it. Hey, It’s not looting when you’re on the winning side >; )

  68. Thanks, snoop. I was quite saddened at how he ended up at the end, though (trying not to give away the plot).

  69. Since I am a Science Fiction newb, I have never heard of Heinlein. He looks very interesting, paingirl…thanks!

  70. Don’t be, a happy ending would undermine the point of his character development.

    Huge SciFi fan here! Anything by Asimov is excellent, of ourse. Right now I’m re-reading all the H.G. Wells classics.

  71. he always found it hard to keep his cool…
    always losing his head at people…
    screaming and blowing up at them…

    ahem.

  72. Love Heinlein! Love sci-fi! Anybody know Spider Robinson? He’s considered by many to be Heinlein’s successor, and is one of my personal faves.

  73. Back in the 80’s the bookstore I was working for at the time had a table at the Christmas Craft Market in the convention center and local authors were booked to appear in hour long periods to meet fans and autograph books. Spider Robinson was scheduled for the first night and told me stories about how people would frequently travel great distances just to get into contact with him and how he would have to gently, and then not-so-gently dissuade them from dropping in.
    One Saturday morning he was woken up by a phone call. The voice on the other end of the line had a deep Dixie accent, was his biggest fan, etc .,and just before Spider could tell him to PFO he said “My submarine is docked out at Shearwater and I was wondering if you might like a tour” One hour later the luckiest man in Halifax got to see an American Lafayette Class Ballistic Missile sub from bow to stern. Very cool. >: )

  74. Some of the best books are, oftentimes, small and musty, PG 🙂

    Great story, Ivan. It’s certainly easy to see how Spider inspires that sort of intense fandom in people. He writes in such a relatable way and kinda makes you feel like you’re in on a really good joke. I have to admit, sometimes after finishing one of his novels, I’ve found myself wishing I could hang out with him too. It’s probably a good thing he no longer lives in NS, I’d most likely have stalked him by now, haha.

  75. I would love to discover a new author or two. I try to read a lot of contemporary lit, and canadian stuff too. but sometimes it’s so satisfying to find something easy on the brain, a series that’s entertaining and a little bit out there. I’m not a big sci-fi fan (maybe I haven’t found the right things yet), but I do like the classic fantasy stuff… every time I go into your shop Ivan I get a bit overwhelmed, mainly because I’m not going looking for something, I just want to browse. But where to start? And how to know what’s good? suggestions welcome!

  76. Spider Robinson…unusual background…spent time in a seminary, spent several years in the woods deliberately trying to live without technology, had a night job guarding sewers in New York City and married a dancer/Sōtō Zen monk.
    A man like that should have something interesting to say = )

  77. People are often turned off of SciFi before they give it a chance because they think it’s all about robots and zombies and aliens (which it can be, and that’s awesome). They see it as childish and not intellectually challenging, which is far from the truth. Some of the most important works of fiction in history are of the SciFi genre. A lot of SciFi novles are written by actual scientists who base the stories on plausible futuristic science (how cool is that?). It’s not all about cyborg space people and lasers either. Dystopian future fiction is also SciFi which includes a lot of recognizable titles even amoung those not familiar with SciFi such as 1984, Fahrenheit 451, Brave New World, and even A Handmaid’s Tale (according to everyone BUT the author, I hear)

    In my junior high and high school all of these books were taught, I had no idea they were SciFi at the time simply because there were no anal probes or jet packs.

    Even movies you wouldn’t expect to be SciFi, like Children of Men, Inception, Donnie Darko, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind… all SciFi

    And it’s incorrect to assume that stories about futuristic civilizations, alien life, and artificial intelligence are simplistic and childish, these topics have the potential to probe (hehe) some of the deepest questions about the nature of humanity and life itself… so cool.

  78. And so I would really like to read the good stuff snoop, my only experience has been with poorly written alien stuff. And I do really enjoy Atwoods most recent novels, are very sci-fi-y. Children of Men was also an amazing book.

  79. Kim & Ralmn: If you haven’t read him, I highly recommend. His book are very accessible, even for non-sci-fi readers. He co-authored a few books with his wife, Jeanne (the Stardancer trilogy – awesome) but sadly, she passed away last year. He also lived up in/around the hippy colonies in the Annapolis Valley area in the 70s, and one of his books is loosely based on that time (with a sci-fi twist) which, being from that area, I quite enjoy reading about.

    Other favourite authors include (but are not limited to): Neil Gaiman, Clive Barker, Toni Morrison, Tom Robbins, Madeleine L’Engle, Ursula LeGuin, Farley Mowat, Kurt Vonnegut, Nick Bantock, Barbara Kingsolver, Peter Coyote, Derrick Jensen, Paulo Coehlo, Herman Hesse…. and a million more I’m not thinking of, but that’s off the top of my head.

    I love conversations about books! More suggestions, please!

  80. Yeah I’ve seen the movie but haven’t read the book yet ralmn, I have a stack of yet-to-be-read SciFi books piling up as it is.

    But don’t turn away from alien SciFi all together, there are poor books written in every genre. There are some excellent classic alien SciFi books out there too. Keep in mind that the best alien books aren’t about aliens. It’s more accurate to call them “good books that happen to have aliens in them”. They use aliens as a device to explore all kinds of issues that are worthwhile to think about; racism, genocide, politics, colonialism, war, you name it, but on a much larger scale, one that isn’t limited to just taking place on this planet or at this time. But like all books they are heavily influenced by real events in history that are easily spotted when taking the time and place of the author at the time of writing into consideration… which makes them relevant in a way that is often overlooked by people who would look down their noses at the genre.

    I love the science part of it as well, because I’m a huge nerd. Pure fantasy is great and all, but it’s easy to write something that doesn’t have to have any basis in reality what-so-ever, where you can literally defy the laws of physics in every other sentence. And while some SciFi is like that too, most of it has some basis in science and reality. I like to think of SciFi as “reality based fantasy”. Keyword “based” a lot of SciFi has to take artistic liberties, especially in movies.

    Some authors even go as far to invent totally new schools of science that might actually exist some day in the distant future. I’m just going to stop now because I could write all day about how great SciFi is…

  81. “written by actual scientists who base the stories on plausible futuristic science”
    “have the potential to probe some of the deepest questions about the nature of humanity and life itself”

    which is why I have been reading it = )

    No, I have never read Robinson, ralmn. But, I guess we’ll both be giving him a shot in the near future = )

  82. you and your fucking maiden….

    all this book talk has me snoring.
    I’ll check back when you’re talking about something a little more up-beat.
    The only real ‘books’ I ever read anymore are the same ol’ plays I’ve read a hundred times or more…

    and I’m pretty sure I can list all the books I’ve ever read that are actually considered books (ala post Dr Seuss n Mr. Men…) could be counted on my hands and toes.
    I’ve listed 16 I’ve read and am stuck… but that’s counting LOTR as one book.

  83. I personally recommend the classic manga/anime “Ghost in the Shell” by Masamune Shirow. It’s one of the earliest examples of cyberpunk and is cited by the Wachowski Brothers as inspiration for The Matrix, which could be seen as either a good or bad thing.

  84. I hate anime. It uses the least amount of frames possible, cuts all kinds of corners in production, the characters faces all look exactly the same, the mouth animation made up of 2 frames drives me nuts, different face emotions are drawn exactly the same and would be indistinguishable were it not for the context of the story, they constantly repeat sequences already shown (especially in fights) and just flip them instead of actually drawing a new scene, etc etc. I hate it… just my opinion. Everyone rags on western animation for being bad but I disagree, Disney was awesome at animation.

    But, there are some good stories to be found in anime. Love DeathNote, Ghost in the Shell, everything by Miyazaki…

    Let me say that I like anime that redeems itself with good storylines and animation that manages to stay true to the anime style, but has better quality animation than most anime.

    Though I’m a complete hypocrite because I love the whole Dragonball, DBZ, DBGT thing… which are all guilty of everything I listed in my first paragraph in varying degrees, and have some of the shittiest and repetitive story-lines ever told in anime.

    Whatever, Goku is still my hero.

    Oh, and Astro Boy! Which, by the way, is science freaking fiction! A man looses his son in tragedy and builds a robot to take his place and to cope with the loss, that’s pretty dark for a kids cartoon… and then it starts shooting machine guns out of its ass *sigh*

  85. Ivan’s pretty much a complete reader of non-fiction now but for ego’s sake here are my top 5 favorite novels – EVER!

    5) The Cowards – Josef Skvorecky – it figures that my favorite Canadian novel would be written by a Czech. Teenagers enjoy forbidden jazz and not getting laid in Nazi-occupied Czechoslovakia in the closing days of WW2. Think Catcher in the Rye with the Gestapo on hand to keep the emo-narcissism from getting too irritating.

    4)The Master and Margarita – Mikhail Bulgakov – the Devil shows up in Moscow in those carefree days of Joseph Stalin. Wackiness ensues.

    3)Confederacy of Dunces – John Kennedy Toole – whenever I get to thinking that I’ve wasted my education this book can either cheer me up or convince me that I’m a total amateur.

    2)Watership Down – Richard Adams – British bunnies at war – nuff said. Adams was a paratrooper in WW2 and fought at Arnhem. He claimed to have based his rabbits on men he served with.

    1)All Quiet On The Western Front – Erich Maria Remarque/ One Day In The Life Of Ivan Denisovitch – Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn – quite simply the best books you will ever read about something that you would never, ever want to experience.

    Feast on that Bibliophiles!

  86. clive barker eh? weaveworld is such a long way from the books of blood…love that stuff

  87. i have some peter straub too and lots of calvin and hobbes. for the kid in all of us i have tintin and asterix and obelix

  88. Still dig Straub’s ‘Ghost Story’. LOVED Tintin when I was a kid. Never really got into asterix. Used to love reading the original Brothers Grimm– so much mayhem!

    I think I warped myself totally when I read Graass’ ‘The Tin Drum’ when I was 13 or so… it was the beginning of the end. I still read Watership Down at least once a year.

  89. OMG! Then, there’s this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU27_Eq36SA…

    I did layouts on it. The show was created by Terry “He’s not the Messiah, he’s a very naughty boy” Jones (alas, I never got to meet him).

    Okay, I’ll stop now, lest everyone get nauseated and I remember how great working in animation was, making $ hand over fist… >sigh<

  90. Awesome cool Rosie! If Ivan wins the lottery the Bitcher’s Summit will be held at Chateau Cheverny. Even Annie can come; to be rude to the french waiters.

  91. I definitely agree with a lot of your points, snoop. I think you just need to filter through the crap to find the good stuff.

  92. Here are my 3 favorite alternate histories (which can almost pass for sci-fi if you squint hard)

    3)Guns of the South – Harry Turtledove – Winter 1863, a strange man in a mottled green uniform enters the camp of the Army of Northern Virginia and offers to supply General Robert E. Lee with a marvelous new repeating rifle. He calls it the AK-47. If you can accept that the South African Broederbond have a time machine , everything else falls neatly into place.

    2) Fatherland – Robert Harris – Germany, early 1960’s. Lufthansa jets link Europe, 4 young British musicians are wowing them in Munich, Berlin is getting set for a visit from President Kennedy and Reich Chancellor Adolf Hitler is preparing to celebrate his 80th Birthday.
    Whaaaaaaaaat? Also, someone is murdering retired SS officers, all of whom were participants in the Wannsee Conference.

    1)World War Z – Max Brooks – an oral history of a war that has yet to take place. In his intro, Brooks credits Studs Terkel, General Sir John Hackett and George Romero as his main influences. WHAT BALLS!. What could have been a one-joke premise works on so many levels.

  93. Cool animation, zZz!
    “This is Endhiran, a Bollywood action flick. It’s like Terminator, The Matrix, and Transformers combined”
    The reviewer forgot to throw in ‘Kill Bill’ and “Kung Fu Hustle”.

  94. A book exploring Hitler winning the war, Ivan? That would be an interesting (and sobering) read. It never occurred to me that someone would rewrite history (write about difference outcomes of a past war).

  95. My personal favourite alternate history is the Fallout series of video games. Basically, technology progressed exactly like we thought it would back in the 1950’s. Then one day in 2077, the nukes start flying for two hours straight, devastating most of the United States (and presumably portions of Russia and China as well). More detailed information can be found here: http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline

  96. Correct Rosie Not a bad flick but should have been better, considering.
    A very good read Kim, it uses the plot device of an honest cop investigating a series of murders with casually dropped references of what Nazi Gemany circa 1960 would have been like. Definitely worth the time.

  97. I checked out the film at a video store on the Danforth in TO some time back. I rented ‘The Boys From Brazil’ at the same time (Guttenberg’s best work) and had an Odd Nazi movie night. Love ‘Boys’– discovered it when I was reading everything Ira Levin ever wrote!

  98. Totally, then he hits bottom doing a commercial for Moen Faucets as a snooty German Architect (I’d find that pic, but I’m not as good as you and PG with tracking esoterica down on the ‘net.

    But, he’s cool, especially when he offs Guttenberg– I hate that guy 😉

  99. OMFG! Kim – I just read a reference to the Fry book in a book I’m reading now about AH in the First World War.
    Everyone HATES Guttenburg! But Speilberg must have a soft spot for Wolf Kahler because he brought him back for a cameo in Band Of Brothers:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcMk85ZsBh0
    A lovely scene, and not just because Winters rips Sobel a new corn chute.

  100. ‘Fatherland’ seems to be set up similar to ‘The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo’. It starts out with a detective investigating murders, but the scope widens to make the film about so much more.
    What if Hitler had never been born? All kinds of areas can be explored with this question. Was a Hitler, a product of the era’s environment, inevitable? Had he not been born, would the long overdue changes that result from his existence have occurred? So many questions come up. And exploring the possibilities could be very enlightening. But, I try not to get to excited. When I was considering watching ‘Eyes Wide Shut’, I thought, based on the plot summary, that there were so many interesting questions which came up, and I was excited to explore them with the director. But, before I could actually watch the movie, someone spoke of it, and I realized none of those questions were actually addressed. I still haven’t gotten around to actually watching it, because I lost interest.

  101. I’ve not read them but Sophie MacDougall’s Romanitas trilogy looks interesting. The Roman Empire never falls.

  102. World War Z is excellent, another example of a book about crazy SciFi monsters, that isn’t actually about the monsters themselves.

  103. And guys get yeast infections too, you know. Uncircumcised guys are especially at risk, apparently.

    more likely uncircumcised guys having sex with dirty women….

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