Why is it ok to joke about this and say that a date where a man doesn’t offer to pay is a “fail”? Isn’t that so sexist? Assuming that women, obviously being lesser than men, don’t have the means, wherewithal or ability to handle the complexities of a retail financial transaction? That’s pretty damn awful to me.
Where are the feminists beating their chests about this issue? I hear it referred to almost daily and there is even a hashtag about it now. —What’s good for the goose isn’t good for this gander.
This article appears in Jan 15-21, 2015.
the feminists having been paying their own way on ‘dates’ for decades bub.
same as with men like the dal club, there are still princess females flouncing about.
you get what you expect, deserve, ask for.
if you are hearing about it daily that means there are still a lot of women fighting feminism.
if you want an acquiescent woman who will let you be ‘the man’ you will get one you have to pay for, again and again and again and through the nose.
if you want a woman who stands on her own feet you will get a woman who will not ‘mama’ you.
Moderator – fuck you and your “male tears” header. I’m treating you like an equal. Suck on it.
I didn’t see that header. very petty MOD, very petty indeed and cowardly, to hide behind a board moderators screen and tag like that.
Whoever initiates the first date pays the bill. Second and subsequent dates the cost is shared. Dates are not only between a man and woman as gay and lesbian people deal with the same thing.
I have invited people to dinner (a date!) and when the bill arrives they are adamant they will pay for their meal/drinks or split the bill equally. No biggie.
There are females roaming the earth who expect the guy to pay for everything. These whore-d’hourves also milk you for whatever they can. It will progress to wanting to go to the Dominican (why women want to go to all-inclusive escapes me) and expect the guy to pay for it. Some of us catch on immediately but there are chumps who never learn.
Having done more than my fair share of online dating I discovered when people list ”travel” they are talking about the one time they went south (whichever direct flight package was cheapest). The only travel involved was the plane ride and the bus to the resort. Sorry, this got me ranting on another peeve!
APPROPRIATE GENDER ROLES
“Why is it ok to joke about this and say that a date where a man doesn’t pay is a ‘fail’? Isn’t that so sexist?” The Goose
Clearly, the subtext here is the nature, or even the existence, of appropriate gender roles. So what are the appropriate gender roles? Traditionally, the gender roles were assigned on the basis of the function of the male and the female in the family, in the business of propagating the human race. The male’s role was that of the provider; the female’s role that of the nurturer. Today however, with the female assuming ever greater economic independence and, by extension ever greater general autonomy, the traditional assignment of gender roles has become problematic if not eliminated.
So the issue resolves itself into one’s cultural perspective. The answer to the question as to where the man does not pay is a “fail” is sexist will turn on one’s response to the traditionalist-modernist perspective. That answer is not itself just another “fail” but, at least for some, is an accurate portrayal of our present condition. (Personally, I find it ok to joke about this. That’s a little joke about finding it ok to joke about this.)
A pleasure as always,
Cheerio!
lol, koda, with you on the ‘resort’ hate. why the frig do people bother? you could just rent a local hotel room for two weeks, hang around the pool, get room service. lie under a sun lamp.
ack! resorts are NOT travel!
Ivan.. you’re a man! That automatically means you’re wrong! You’re Wrong, bad and a rapist. Like all men. Apparently the gay ones too. We may be bad at raping, but we have penises so we’re wrong and bad either way.
Where’s Ivan’s lynch mob?!
And I agree that the “male tears” tag is not only offensive but clearly mean-spirited. So much for impartiality of the media…
Mod, please pull that tag as you would pull the comments that others find offensive.
Oh! I forgot to comment on the bitch…!
Yeah, so if you put out, they pay…
HF – I’m not just “a man” *organ crescendo”.
I’m a descendent of Dead… White… European… Men! *terrifying organ crescendo*
From The Crusades to the Burning Times to Columbus to Einsatzgruppe D, genocide and repression are hardwired in my D.N.A.
*Trumpet Voluntary*
Might as well have some fun with my privilege *John Philip Sousa’s “Liberty Bell March follwed by raspberry noise as giant foor crushes Ivan*
Glad I’m not the only one who thought the tag was a douche move. Someone spent too much time on Tumblr again.
Would they post a bitch about the Mod? Would it be too ‘meta’ as the kids say?
^^ let’s try it. I just submitted this.
Moderator, with all due respect, if you want to partake in the forum, get out from behind your one-way comments and join the fray. get yourself an avatar and prepare to engage with others. to sit safely behind the moderator position and tag your OWN opinion on LTWWB submissions is childish and cowardly.
Good bye GDM…
According to Snoop Dogg you’re doing it all wrong…
“Can we get a moment of silence for a small chronic break?
A-hah, niggaz be brown-nosing these hoes and shit.
Takin bitches out to eat, spending money on these hoes, knowwhatI’msayin?
I treat a bitch like 7-up. I never have, I never will…”
A dude dat don’t pay fails at life and dating, no joke.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHcst-2HfY…
I wonder how many of the ‘femynyst’ bitches posted here are *actually* written by the MOD.
Playas- you done bin warned.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBeMQN2smW…
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I ain’t sayin’ she a gold digger,
But she ain’t messin’ wit no broke ginger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOsPykNF29…
I ain’t sayin’ she a gold digger,
But she ain’t messin with no broke ginger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOsPykNF29…
http://new1.fjcdn.com/comments/Hey+op+my+t…
Shit, you can cut the sexual tension in here with a [butter] knife. ^^
Girl, my shit be so fine dem dot-head bitchez sez “Pass de chutney pon de lef han side”
LOLZ
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APPROPRIATE GENDER ROLES II: SHOULD GENDER ROLES EXIST AT ALL?
“So the issue resolves itself into one’s cultural perspective. The answer to the question as to where the man the man does not pay is a ‘fail’ but, at least for some, is an accurate portrayal of our present condition.” Montrealman (01/19, 12:04PM)
The subtext of the superficial issue of the man not paying on a date being a ‘fail’ is, of course, whether there should be gender roles at all. However, a society without some conception of what being feminine and being masculine might consist, together with the distinct roles which embody that conception, is difficult to imagine. A completely unisex society would certainly be the first in recorded history. Any takers?
A pleasure as always,
Cheerio!
Who are you going out with? I find paying for a date is a sure fire way to get a second as the girls I’ve gone out with say they owe me one. I can see there being a few old fashioned girls out there, but my experience has been that they’re the minority.
I find the whole ‘date’ scenario ridiculous anyway.
when you want to get to know someone in a romantic way wouldn’t it make more sense to go for a walk first? or have them over for a dinner you both cook? hike on the trails, library date?
i like ‘going out’ AFTER the relationship is established. when you are comfortable with that person and can really enjoy sharing experiences.
I’m really sort of surprised that my comment @ 6:28 AM, 01-20-15 hasn’t been removed for being racist. I mean I wasn’t trying to be racist. It was more an observation on the colour and consistency of Indian food….
Okay. in hindsight there’s really no benign spin that I can put on that comment.
Mea Culpa.>: (
(Mod must have been too busy buying Chinese slave labour shoes online to notice it.)
Social structures aside, a man loves paying for his gal. It has a magic that nothing else has. It’s one of those pleasantries in life that makes him forget all about the promotion he didn’t get, the humiliating Christmas seminar and all the other negative junk that’s nailed him.
Why kick up a fuss? Regardless of WHO pays, it’s the WHY that sparkles.
Cheers.
I’m with Molly. Priority is in getting to know the date in the early stages. And then invest money into it more if you like how things are meshing.
Patience is the key.
Expectations and Money: Why, or even should, we have expectations of potential partners, and when is it appropriate to expend our stored potential energy on these candidates.
Money, after all, is quantifiable potential. We exchange our time and physical effort for, ideally, equivalent monetary value (potential). When we spend money we are literally giving away our time and effort. Is there a more precious personal resource than ones own time?
Expectations are generated naturally, pattern recognition in our brain promotes this; the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, we expect this to continue. When we set up a date with someone we expect them to be present. But what is a real expectation, and what is merely a projection of ones desires or assumptions (ig: ‘expecting’ another to pay)?
Why should someone expect others to pay for them, or why should someone be expected to pay? Of course, one would hope expectations would be driven by previous scientific data, and not blind assumptions (we would not expect someone to show up for a date if we had not scheduled one!). If two people verbally agree as to who pays, it’s expected the date will continue to that end. If there is nothing but a quaint assumption that the man will pay, we are acting incoherently.
At the end of the day The Captain pays on behalf of his feelings of gratitude (someone who spends their time, arguably the most precious human resource, on another is deserving of gratitude), but splits the bill for practical ecomonic purposes and because expressing gratitude in this instance is a two way street – so stop being a bunch of cheap fuckerz, or just go for a walk in the park.
The Captain