Seal Team 6 for the great job they did 3 years ago today. —Samael

This article appears in May 2-8, 2013.

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  1. Roger that, My Brother. It may not have halted Islam’s war on civilization, but if ever a son of a whore needed killing, it was him.

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  3. me too, but also no more painy–ethan’s an awesome daddy-o…reminds me of my dad (really:)), sweet, strong, fair, knows everything, but is never a know-it-all;)

    @OP: nice shout out!!

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  7. Call me a skeptic but I have my doubts that Bin Laden survived very far beyond 9/11. He was on dialysis, constantly on the move and looked like death from pictures in 2002. I was quite surprised when they announced the operative but dismayed when no evidence was put forth. Not really a conspiracy theorist but I think this was more about optics.

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  8. I agree Reg…well, I effin love conspiracy theories but really only for their entertainment value…but you would think that if the U.S. killed their number one enemy they’d have kept some proof. Just seemed odd at the time and still feels like there’s a piece missing.

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  9. The announcement last week of finding a piece of the plane that hit one of the Towers on Sept.11 was a tad far fetched…They really want people to think that’s been there for over 10 years without being discovered…bullshit..even blocks away from the towers the whole damned city would have been considered a crime scene and went over with a fine toothed comb.

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  10. Hoist-
    They probably did keep something from the op. The Smithsonian is filled with bits and pieces of ‘Merca’s history. They’re like a teenage girl with a cellphone- they feel are constantly doing selfies to validate their existance(I bet they keep lots, but killing the #1 BoogerMan, they had to say “Yay us!” while not making Obama-sorry, Osama a martyr too much.)

    w the p

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  11. Bit of a conundrum for them. Treat the carcass with more respect than it deserved (as they did), you create sceptics who demand proof. Start showing off trophy shots, you bring back the spectre of Abu Ghraib, and the people squalling loudest about violating basic standards of human decency are the same who cry conspiracy.

    It was much like shooting down Adm. Yamamoto’s plane in WW2 (Although it must be said, Yamamoto was, by all accounts a decent human being, unlike Bin Porkfucker)
    It didn’t really alter the strategic situation, but it sure felt good. The threat of islamofascism isn’t gone, but it lost a very visible and charismatic figurehead. And you can even tie in a neat little sura from the koran.

    “Wheresoever you may be, death will overtake you, even if you are in fortresses built up strong and high”
    … in the backyard of a so-called “ally”

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  12. Ethan, there’s a huge difference between having proof and parading around with a trophy.

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  13. And I’m not saying that it is a conspiracy but even this CNN article only offers a lot of hearsay and no mention of definitive evidence.

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/12/opinion/berg…

    The assassination of Bin Laden also happened at a pretty strategic time, when things were starting to heat up in the middle east (Syria, Egypt, Libya, Iran), close to a presidential election in the U.S.A and several years into an economic decline in the west, for which the United States shoulders much of the blame.

    For these reasons I am not willing to simply accept, as unquestionable fact, something so pivotal in the ‘war on terror’ just because the news says so. Everyone was ready for some good news for our side, some indication that we were making progress – and there it was in a neat little package.

    The war on terror was never really meant to have a definitive victory.

    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/…

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  14. “You bring back the spectre of Abu Ghraib, and the people squalling loudest about violating basic standards of human decency are the same who cry conspiracy.”

    Unlike the assassination of Osama Bin Laden, there is evidence of torture at Abu Ghraib prison. Not to mention the fact that many of the prisoners held by the U.S. were turned in by their countrymen in exchange for money/the promise of safety (a witch hunt). Anyone who supports the systematic abuse of prisoners and the disregard for human rights is succumbing to the same methods of terror used by the Taliban.

    Did you know that in Iraq, the first thing the U.S. did in the early days of the war was to round up and imprison anyone with a higher education, Doctor/Scientist/Professor, etc. With or without proof (there’s that word again) of terrorist affiliation? No trial, nothing.

    So, I guess the question is how far are we willing to go, as a country (Canada, U.S.A., U.K. France…etc) and as individuals in the name of ‘freedom’? Are we willing to disregard the rights of human beings because they’re from an enemy country? Are we willing to disregard the truth, or at least accept every pleasant-sounding story that is tossed our way? Are we unwilling to question things or speak up when something sounds a little off? If so, we better stop fighting for ‘freedom’ because we’ve already given it up.

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  15. I certainly wasn’t defending the conduct at Abu Ghraib. As any combat soldier in Iraq knew, the release of the photos was good for another 10,000 IEDS on the streets that they had to patrol. My point was that had the U.S. government released a picture of Bin Dogshits corpse to appease those demanding proof the response would have been equal parts scepticism and outrage. From the same people.

    I’ve never been too sanguine about the concept of “War on Terror”. After all, WW2 was not the “War on Blitzkreig”
    We’d still be waging it, if we had adopted that as a strategic objective. So a definitive end is illusory. As long as their are Muslims gullible and ignorant enough to believe that the West is engaging in a War on Islam, there will be shoe bombers and ass bombers and kettle bombers. And occasionally they will get lucky.
    Got any ideas, cuz I certainly don’t. I don’t put much faith in “social justice” deterring conflict. You pay protection money to the Gottis of the world; not the Dahmers

    We seem, as a society with so much access to information and so little capacity for knowledge, to be overwilling to question those things that we cannot shoehorn into our personal, very narrow, worldviews. I can’t get too cunty about that, since I am probably as guilty of it as the next person. So, from the perspective of my own biases about the United States (generally positive) I accept that operators from SEAL Team 6 did kill the public face of the organization that perpetrated numerous atrocities against the Western world, at his compound in Pakistan. Where he was no doubt living under the protection of government officials of that nation.

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  16. “My point was that had the U.S. government released a picture of Bin Dogshits corpse to appease those demanding proof the response would have been equal parts scepticism and outrage. From the same people.”

    -There was no problem ‘leaking’ footage of Saddam/documenting his capture.

    I’m not going to degrade into insults. You have your opinions and I have mine. However, I wouldn’t call my world-view narrow. I change my mind often depending on what new information has come to my attention. I endeavor to keep an open mind w/o bias (not always easy). The truth is more important to me than my own personal feelings regarding any given subject. I’m not saying Seal6 DIDN’T finish off Bin Laden but there’s enough reason for me to be unsure about it that I can’t say I believe that they DID. Of course if you or anyone else is convinced, who am I to tell you that you’re wrong? I wasn’t there, I don’t know.

    Justin Trudeau is a prime example of my attempt at having an open-minded world view. Lots of people love the conservatives and that’s their right but I don’t agree with the majority of their policies and I’d love to see Harper out of the PM’s office. So I was all “Heck yeah, lets vote for Trudeau!” …Then I heard him in an interview with Peter Mansbridge and inserted my foot directly into my mouth. Now I’m thinking I just won’t vote.

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  17. Fair enough. I’d say a difference would be that Saddam was alive and the sight of him looking like a pathetic rodent was probably a great fillip to those who suffered under his reign. I know that photos of his execution were leaked, but I’m pretty sure that neither the U.S. government or military played an active role.

    Sorry if I gave the impression of descending into insults. I thought I was pretty clear about lumping myself in with what I criticize. I’m enjoying this interchange precisely because it is civil and interesting and if I don’t agree I do find your opinions valid and reasonable.

    I’m in a rough position vis a vis federal politics. I tend to skew to the right on important issues like Defence and Policing, but I don’t exactly like what the Conservatives have become since their merger with Reform. I’m not a particular fan of Harper but I think he’s done a reasonable job of keeping the lunatic fringe of the party on a short leash, even at risk of being accused of being “undemocratic” I can’t ever see a situation where I would vote for the NDP federally, and I will never forgive the Liberal Party of Canada for decisions undertaken during the reign of Jean Poutine. I can think of certain liberals who would be good P.M.s ( Martin never got a proper chance, which was a shame) but the Boy King ain’t one of them. So, I’m in a similar position to you.

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  18. Hoist as a Canadian citizen who has complained about the the government in charge, you should vote.I can tell your not narrow minded or a hypocrite;having said that,I tend think you are not the type to moan and groan about a Governing Party without having voted in the election that put that party in charge..IMO As a Can. citizen it’s hypocritical to choose not to vote then bitch about the winning party.In order to CYA,one should choose to destroy the ballet;which is sending a message of disapproval.

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  19. I must apologize Ethan, I think I took what you were saying the wrong way, I see now that you weren’t being insulting. I enjoy exchanges like this, particularly when someone has a different view point than my own – too often it deteriorates into name calling and I think I jumped the gun.

    Crock – I don’t want to vote just for the sake of voting. I don’t feel like I have a candidate that reflects my position at all. However, I do like the idea of destroying the ballot, all that proves is that I’m not too lazy to go to a polling station – I would still be deliberately discarding my vote.

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  21. I remember seeing a 2007(?) BBC interview with Benazir Bhutto where she stated that bin Laden was murdered by Omar Sheikh. Instead of believing what’s on TV I just watch profashional wrasslin’ while Ivan bakes up some perogies and chicken fingers.

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  22. Also, what’s up with Bro Tim changing his name to Samael? Wasn’t Samael the name Lucifer went by before his fall from Heaven?

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  23. I know my Dad would disown me, but perogies with Thai chili sauce fuckin Rawk! I guess I am a true child of multiculturalism.
    Also, a Vietnamese guy cuts my hair.

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  24. you and many of our other brethren, commander. he has weathered many storms

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  26. I got my hair cut by a Vietnamese sebastian in Montreal last November. Dude hooked me up with them pointy sideburns n shit. And a major 10-4 on Thai chili sauce! I mix it with my morning tea sometimes.

    Did your dad also think Luke Skywalker was a fruit like Red Foreman did?

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  29. LMFAO! – It’s positively scary how much Red and Me Old Dad are alike.

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