Hey Moderator, get this so-called intellectual jack-ass off the site. His spewing is offensive and condescending and doesn’t fit the point of LTWWB at all.—Booer
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Hey Moderator, get this so-called intellectual jack-ass off the site. His spewing is offensive and condescending and doesn’t fit the point of LTWWB at all.—Booer
This article appears in Apr 8-14, 2010.
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LTWWBers: time to cast your votes… Do you want to see further installments from Montrealman? Yes or No? Voting ends at 9PM (EST).
Leave him, he’s not offensive. I just choose not to read his entry. I only read the ones whose subject lines catch my eye anyway, no harm, no foul.
Yes is my vote.
hey c’mon now folks, this person has as much right to spew forth as the rest of us…it’s not offensive
i vote yes let him throw sand too!
Raising Socially Conscious Children wins the award for stupid user names. Jesus.
I vote “No”. I also vote to disallow any further posts that are not actually “bitches”.
Tell him to get a blog and get over himself. Anyone who would like to continue to read his pretentious babble is welcome to read him there.
I’ve had a few bitches about these posts, so I decided to bring it to the ‘family’ for discussion…
also, to ‘I miss Andy’: I have apologized for the troll debacle Friday, but will do so one more time directly to you. I am sorry. I will do my best to ensure whack posts don’t get to accumulate again. But you’re right to be offended, I was too.
As for MM”s post this poll is here partly because of you, so cast your vote and we’ll let democracy prevail.
The first bitch was maybe a way to say: “people talk too much about their lives as opposed to actually posting comments to the actual bitch itself”, in a very condescending and demeaning manner, but the subsequent posts have just been a means to demean the community with no purpose.
I say no more. S/He pushed his/her luck, they took satire and made into a vendetta.
The only reason you should not post any more of his “bitches” is, as Jennier mentioned, they are not bitches. Don’t block him because people don’t like him. That’ll be a real shit storm if we start doing that. Anyway, he’s easy to ignore if you so choose and doesn’t post on any other thread. It’s a well-contained troll. However the joke’s getting old and we’re getting bored so I suspect this project will die quietly all on it’s own. Do whatever you see fit Mod, I don’t care either way.
But then what will Montrealman do with his time? I don’t want to be the cause of him self-combusting due to exposure to sun and people.
I say keep him. It’s the internet, where douches prevail The subsequent commentary has provided me with entertainment… even though I have yet to read any of MM’s posts fully.
Also, maybe the Coast should have its own messageboard.
LET THE FOOL POST HIS DRIVEL, IF NOTHING ELSE, IT’S GOOD FOR A LAUGH. EVEN THO SOME OF HIS STUFF MIGHT BE OFFENSIVE IN A SLIGHT WAT WAY. IF HE GETS TOO FAR GONE, THEN JUST WIPE HIM OUT.
No. His posts don’t belong on LTWWB.
If MM wants to continue his verbal masterbation, who am I to put a cork in his cock? I could care less whether he’s here or not since I think his cranium is crammed with Grade A moose shit – there’s nothing he can say that offends me anyway. I know who I am, he doesn’t, simple as that. If he thinks he can determine personalities from our assorted posts, then attach some half-baked theory that no one gives a sweet shit about, he’s even more delusional than I thought.
I vote NO
Personally, I don’t want to see more installments of this bullshit because I think it’s stupid and boring. But that’s not my reason for voting NO.
I also think that there is nothing offensive about what he says and that people should be free to say what they want on here, so I’m not voting no because it’s “offensive”. Or because it puts down the community.
I’m voting NO because what he has been posting simply aren’t bitches, and this is a bitch board. It’s like letting someone repeatedly post their various homemade tuna casserole recipes on this board. Jennifer is exactly right, what he’s posting belongs on a blog and basically he’s hijacking this site and using it as his own blog.
Make him clean up after the bums on SGR
It’s a slippery slop you’re travelling when you censure someone for being an asshole; i vote yes
I don’t think the more recent ones should have been posted in the first place. If it doesn’t fit the criteria of a bitch it shouldn’t be be posted. Some of my bitches have been rejected for MUCH less.
I vote Yes, just to provide that I don’t give a flying fig for what he has to say.
However, that doesn’t mean that everything he submits should get published. I won’t have allowed several of his posts as they a) weren’t bitches or b) not funny.
I think those have to be determing factors. His posts have veered off into blog-wanking, and are getting boring.
I don’t read them myself but my vote is this:
If they are bitches, post them.
If they are blog types posts, do not post them.
Simple as that.
Also, he’s leeching off the Coasts readership for his pseudo-blog instead of earning his own exposure. Stop spoon-feeding this guy readers.
i vote no, not because of his class A douchebaggery but because he isn’t bitching about anything that he didn’t bitch about in the first post
I vote yes, on the condition that his posts are bitches from now on. Let him post his investigations in bitch-format even!
My vote is NO! NON! No!
MRHAB’s purpose here is not commensurate to the LTWWB agenda.
I vote NO! If any of his diatribes were actual bitches I would be fine with him staying but since they seem like research papers not daily annoyance observations I would like him removed.. I have yet to be able to make it through a whole post to find out what they are about other then him/her trying to look intellectual, start a blog or you just want to see your words on a screen.
I vote yes under the same condition as longwalker stated.
In my opinion the original post must be a bitch. You can provoke a person(s) in the comments, that’s part of the charm, but the original post should set some sort of topic to which we can sling slurs at each other.
Keep Him. We’re getting as many shits and giggles from this as he is, and like him or not he’s inspired some great work from some first class commentators.
Also, same-sex couples are welcome at the Underclass Junior Prom – so says this proudly anti-intellectual Don Cherry type Redneck Strutter.
If you start blocking users because they piss people off, who’d be lef
He shouldn’t be blocked for irking people. He should be blocked because he is using this site and the people here for his self-important academic pursuits. I don’t think that is the purpose of LTWWB.
I guess if I could vote for not banning him but only posting posts from him that are actual bitches, I would. If that is an option, sign me up.
Remember when there were bitches about peoples bitches not being posted? When did everything that gets submitted start being posted? I apologize if I am wrong in thinking that but it really does seem true.
Probably Kay’s Bitch . Keep him – who cares if they can’t take what they don’t like . Don’t cater to Kays ” I don’t like it I am a VICTIM” I want my way . If you don’t like his post – thedn read on to the next one . I thought most bitchers weren’t children and can decern what they want to read all on they’re own !!
hog is right, we wear big boy pants…don’t need a nanny
“”… his self-important academic pursuits….””
As has been pointed out, there is really no academic substance to any of it…at least not the first 2 or 3 I read before getting bored – It’s a spoof, and a good one – look at the reactions!
If someone tried posting this Niles Crane-esque sophistry anywhere else, they’d be laughed out the virtual door…
However, for many here it was/is a source of amusement: more so than perhaps the latest bus/angry waitress/funny cat story…
..so why not let it peter out naturally.
Although I no longer read any of the threads *yawn*, I draw some entertainment from the seeming inability of some posters, HKM is a good example, to “let it die”…
Guffaw
“this Niles Crane-esque sophistry’ – good one, BMF.
hey look, the weedhog’s back!
How was rehab buddy?
HAHA BMF – just been to busy with work to play on the board !!! Rehab was full anyways – to many crackheads here to want to take in a pothead LOL!!!
Let it die? It died some time ago, Frosty. We were just having fun dancing on its grave.
well Mod 4.0 maybe we should vote to ban Kay too . After all – she pisses alot of people off too . And sometimes posts useless drivel . So if we ban this dude – we may as well ban Kay too . Same thing .
Shall we vote on it?
(Although, NGF will use his 25 or so monikers to vote NO.)
“Forgive Him, It’ll teach Him a lesson” who here is old enough to remember that little bit of Christian morbidness masquerading as a cartoon?
The idiot has no life so keep him. That is what the scroll button is for.
That’s a stupid suggestion, theweedhog. Banning kay is nothing like banning this guy. I’m not for banning him either, I’m against bitches being posted that aren’t actually bitches, but long winded blog updates instead.
Kay as we now her is a commenter, not a bitcher. And most of her comments ARE relevant to the bitches even if you don’t agree with them, and even though they are poor arguments often paired with insults and ragging on Nova Scotia.
no mr. ivan don’t remember that on…splain pwease
I say keep him as long as his posts are bitches. I’ve just been scrolling past them anyway.
I don’t think the issue with MM is about pissing people off. Anyone can come here and do that. Some people even excel at it.
I think the issue is that he is using this site and the people in it for a purpose that is best suited elsewhere. That his insidious thesis topic has any relevence to anything other than satisfying his need for superiority is a point that seems to be missed by many. Insulting, yes. Comical, yes. Social or academic value, zilch. Wouldn’t pursuing a thesis topic that addresses a real dynamic be an actual academic achievement? All the Mont Royal Hot Air Balloon (MRHAB) does is slag people for being offended by his insulting drivel. That’s real class! (snicker)
I took Life Sucks idea & I’m just no longer going to read or respond to anything he writes. The post from a day or so ago was so damn long it just wasn’t worth trying to get through the absolute drivel, so I got the condensed version (thanks for that LS)
I agree with those who say if he sends in a valid bitch , post it. If all he’s actually doing is looking to get a rise out of people & then use (their responses) to twist it, to make himself feel important, fuck him !
But if everyone just ignores him it will accomplish the same goal, & Montreal Homer will move on !
The problem of course is can the rest of you actually ignore someone & stick with it…like how I absolutely refuse to comment or respond to a certain poster who comes here, seeing as she (or at least claims to be a she)rarely stays on topic. Constantly twists bitches & responses in a way that would make a Politician’s spin doctors applaud with admiration. When she does stay on topic, (which is rare) & when she responds to replies nothing comes out of her head except vitriolic criticism, about someone’s response, people who come here, Halifax in general … all Nova Scotian’s actually.
But as I reread this , if your all actually enjoying the…banter back & forth with Homer, why would anyone want to ruin their fun .
Those of us who couldn’t care less can just ignore the guy & just bleeep over his posts as if they aren’t even there ~;)
Apparently I go off and on ignoring kay.
Agreed fizz . True nuff man. I guess i was just making a point about pissing people off and someone not man / women to take it like such.
But yea – i did actually read one of the post he made . Doesn’t make no sense besides being irrellevant crap.
MRHAB should do himself a favour and vote non, non, non! Salut…
Ah, the forces of reaction in full throat! Of course, it was to be expected but it is also very ironic on a site which, or so I thought, permitted free and open discussion this side of libel. As I mentioned in my “Bitch” on the current page (see below) certain Respondents (rarely, if ever are they Bitchers themselves) are good at dishing it out but not so good at taking it.
A second point: It seems that the arbiters guarding the gates are in possession of the criteria as to what, in fact, constitutes a “Bitch.” It appears to have escaped them (if, that is, they were ever aware of the fact) that my “Bitch” was a “second-order one.” This is a philosophical term and, as such, entails a certain degree of intellectual awareness which my “targets” clearly possess only in very short supply. In other words, I was Bitching about a particular group of Responders whom I dubbed “the Redneck Strutters.” It seems to me that this qualifies as a “Bitch” albeit not of the pedestrian sort one usually encounters on this site.
So, Mr. Moderator and my dear friends in the Underclass, I await your decision.
If we let MM go, Kay is soon to go after (in theory). Leave him. I can’t e-live without my Kay.
I vote yes, keep him. Everyone is so judgy here.
Let him keep wasting part of his day. I just scroll on by like I stroll past hackey-sack dude in front of Quinpool Superstore as in “Sure, he’s lame, but in a who cares sort of way…”
Quel surprise! Toss insults at people and expect anything but the responses you’ve received. How original. Please explain the academic value of this dynamic you’ve created. If I were your prof you would get a big fat F. Ne rien la!
No, no, time to go…It’s play-off time, I only want good news from Montreal!
Paingirl, it was a crappy little animated parable that aired on Canadian television in the late 60s. A farmer is confronted with a man who stole one of his calves and says “Hang him, it’ll teach him a lesson.” Then the farmer dies and goes to the great beyond where his fate is decided with “Forgive him, it’ll teach him a lesson”. It tended to air when kids programming was on and was similar in style .though not in execution, to the far superior anti-smoking commercials of the same period. You gotta remember “Light me, Harry”
Also, Montreal boy is a major pain but the line between hemorrhoid and muse is thin and easily blurred. Just stayin’ on topic here Mod4.0
i remember the light me harry ads…i posted in the love at ya mr. ivan… mr. blue there was much yelling in my treehouse on sat. night, san jose/ washington in the final but gohabsgo
I find Montréalman’s postings dreadfully dull.
It was all kind of funny the first day, but it really has gone on far too long.
Too much like work.
Going back to my nap now.
No. The site is called “Love the way we bitch” not “Love the way we conduct a lame social experiment for personal gain.”
Here, here! dgaf
His posts are stupid but they’re not really hurting anyone, excepting taking up a bit of bandwidth. Just don’t read his stuff and you’ll be perfectly safe. The Coast doesn’t want to be as bad as the Chronicle-Herald and stop comments after all.
Too early for banning Mod 4.0. I agree it’s getting boring.
It is a bitch where he both gives and receives, and he’s not tolling all over the boards, but he still gets alot of posts.
I vote Yes.
If people are tired of it, don’t feed him. Let him post “the grid” and the rest should follow in the comments section, sooner or later he will get to his point or it will die down.
No posting Bitches about Bitches, same with this http://www.thecoast.ca/LovetheWayWeBitch/a…
what balls? it was fun to talk about childhood t.v.
I keep thinking OP has a voice very much like the giant brain in Futurama.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9IrDH74CTM
Balls? Where the hell have you been?
Might be too late but what the fuck:
If it’s a bitch post it, if it’s not don’t.
Thank you TTFN, you made my day.
Sounds like that new guy’s manifesto, TTFN (Kamen Ryter):
“Make the world revolve around you. its more fun to think that way :)” yeah so basically im a superhero. who writes. a masked one. (Kamen= Masked, Ryter= a writer.) masks are awesome. so are my writing skills. and with them i will continue walking the path of heaven, as the man who will rule everything. so come along for the ride if you want, never all dull moment here. 😛
Thanks once again to all my wonderful friends in the Underclass. I have read all your comments with interest.
In addition to the two points made in my previous post, it occurred to me that there is further irony here. Like the schoolyard bully who, when confronted, runs squealing to the teacher for protection so the Redneck Strutters, when similarly confronted, also run squealing to the Moderator for protection. It’s good to know that the Age of Heroes is not dead.
As a generous farewell gift I want to award each one of them one star. Wear it with pride.
Cheerio!
OMG. I can’t believe this is even a discussion…I thought we’d been through this already…if it’s not racist, extremely offensive, or threatening then it’s all good. What the hell? I agree, if it’s not a bitch don’t post it…if it is a bitch post it…it’s not rocket science!! Banning someone because we don’t like him is….well an ignorant approach and you prove him right in his statement ” …good at dishing it out but not so good at taking it… ” I just can’t believe how many people are agreeing to banning him! If Mod 4.0 can make the distinction between bitch/blog and you all can post comments on the bitch then why would you want him banned?? Makes no sense.
BTW MM, I actually enjoyed reading all of the comments that your “bitches” created, I never participated because I was waiting for the right time, but since this may be the end of you, here’s my 2 cents…..I know what class I am, I know what class I want to be, but I can assure you after all of my struggles in life, “class” is not important or relevent in the end….Happiness is the most important thing and can be achieved no matter the “class”.
post bitches…. and only bitches.
that’s what we’re here for after all….
and MOD 4.0, asking breeds controversy.
eval the situation, make a decision, stand by it.
it’s not easy, but it’s how we came to love Tim and Andy and HATE 3.0 so much.
Keep him, it’s not like he’s spamming the forums or posting GILF pics.
Just to clarify my “get rid of him” comment way back there: don’t ban his comments, just stop posting “bitches” that don’t “bitch” about anything.
Ya PG, you’re right. I was just talking about the “Let me re write my bitch in a way that doesn’t confuse people”- Teen Wolf could have just added this in the comments section and not create a new Bitch.
Oh, this trend that trend, Dino
I fucking don’t like this voting thing, is this survivor now? Not long before I’m on the chopping block. I say we ban Booer for being such a pussy.
i fucking hate survivor and i’ve never ever had to watch it^^as i have typed before i never complain and i already checked my ballot card
if this were survivor, Kay would have been 1st, no doubt.
but it’s not….
and she’s entitled to as much of the rice and chicken as anyone else…
if she can stop talking crap long enough.
MM is simply a boil on the ass of this board. Once he’s spewed his pus-filled conclusions on his underclass theory, he’ll just become another unread and unheralded scab.
The article in the Herald today:
Firefighters ask court to reveal posters’ names
“Fire Chief Bill Mosher and deputy chief Stephen Thurber will be in Nova Scotia Supreme Court on Wednesday to ask a judge to order the Coast and Google to reveal the identities and IP addresses of seven people…”
Kay’s name is not on the list but imagine the panic for her if it was. = p
Regardless, posters with strong opinions should be sure to follow this story.
And Coast, if it comes down to it (and we have any say at all), I am sure you have the support of most of this community (for what’s its worth).
Oops, I forgot the link:
http://thechronicleherald.ca/Front/1176948…
Chief big head can my suck my dick
Star? No thanks. Keep it for your thesis. You’ll need it more than I.
You know Montreal man, we might have different beliefs and different values but all we wanted to do was be friends. If you couldn’t recognize that or weren’t comfortable with it, well , I guess you’ve got some growing up to do, Dude. Suck my balls.
oooh a star, i’m as giddy as a schoolgirl. is it in the sky or on the walk of fame? does it have 5 points or 6? starlight starbright give me my fuckin wish
Montrealman and Ivan Sonofabitch friends? I can see it all now…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmOkQszGd8A
= p
LMFAO & POTFIH
Note your wearing your blue tux = )
…and matching “dignity pants” Nobody’s calling me Fergielicious ever again.
the fire dept. bullshit is getting warmer again. i posted a bitch about it, but it hasn’t gone up yet. maybe later today. these are the first step in loss of freedom of speech people, where the fuck will it end. will mm, be right about classes and how much can be said in an open forum, such as this is. we can only wait and see what comes of it.
I wrote it in the comment area, LS, because I suspect the Coast will not post anything in regard to the Fire Dept.–it would be feeding the fire (pun intended = ).
I suppose this would be a good time to point out that in my personal opinion a certain politician whose name sort of sounds like Lever Stink is the exemplar of a truly dedicated public servant and clearly the victim of a vast right-wing conspiracy, a certain op-ed columnist whose name sounds like Loose Hork is a courageous firebrand and noble exposer of hidden truths who deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as those godheads, Michael Moore and Noam Chomsky and a certain LTWWB poster whose name sounds like Country All-bran is… Oh fuck thees, Ivan can do 20 year harsh regime in labor camp standing on head. With enough Vodka, everthing make sense.
so, yes ivan, trevor zinck is an idiot trying to say he didn’t do it. sorta like bart simpson’s” i didn’t di it” song.
Oh Yeah. You know how you can tell when someone’s guilty as homemade sin? They hold a press conference. I’m curious to see if The Scroat posts your FD bitch at all, what with the pending legal motions and such. Winds of shit are blowing Randy, there’s gonna be a shitticane.
wow! intrigue in our little duchy. mr. ivan the crows had ham…rawk
Like the Killer’s song goes “I’ve got ham, but I’m not hamster.. or something like that. Our first Xmas in Dartmouth I cooked a goose and felt like Alastair Sim sending the prize turkey to the Cratchits when I dumped about a hogshead of trimmed fat on the feeding rock.
“Label, Label, Label”
the thing is MM was on a mission and methinks it was mission accomplished; ahh ces’t le vie
cool a real picture! you look like a very nice young man
i suspected we were lab rats all along, but i’m lovin it
PG are you talking about me? holy shit if you are because i appreciate the young part cause i’m the big 50 🙂
yes. but then i am a good witch…sorry i start typing in the middle
Without being too specific, (God forbid!) I think we’re all a little ashamed at a certain local weekly news, culture and entertainment magazine that is about to break its promise of anonymity for its on-line community. At the first sign of a little pressure from a couple of “aggrieved” civil servants who have hired themselves a lawyer to send a “firm” letter, this supposedly “left” leaning rag is gonna not even fight for the privacy promised to its readers.
You know, we always think that a conscientious editor’s highest goal would be to have an effect on freedom of speech and privacy rights – we just didn’t think it would be a “negative” effect, that’s all.
Have fun rolling over and playing dead – “yassir, nossir, three-bags-full, sir!”
Someone needs to start a paper with some balls around here.
I guess we’ll all just have to stick to bus bitches, angry waitresses and the latest funny cat story, eh?
Sad, really.
mR fRosTy, surely you jest. The sCroat has never backed away from taking a principled stance on difficult and complex issues. Their contempt for Canadian soldiers and their families is proof of their commitment to peace and social justice. They’ve urged a boycott of a national chain of bookstores because according to the “Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion – Millennium Ed.” the C.E.O. is using her profits to recruit child soldier mercenaries for the I.D.F.
They’ve been nothing less than visionary in suggesting that long-haul truckers like yourself switch to using the Ho Chi Minh bicycle to haul microwave ovens and flatscreens from coast to coast. All for the sake of a smaller carbon footprint.
And the long running Harper as Hitler meme, well that just never gets old. Although I hear the Schicklegruber estate is planning a libel suit because they find the comparison tasteless and offensive. Maybe that’s why Kyle and the kids are being so circumspect.
Hello once again to my dear friends in the Underclass and, of course, many thanks for your kind words.
I note that we are now passing the 100 Comment mark which indicates, if nothing else, that opinion regarding my brilliant submissions is divided. The question which naturally arises as a result is this: Was I too precipitate in awarding stars as a “farewell gesture?” Was I closing the door too soon?
My concern, dear members of the Underclass, is not for me. No, it is for those among you – admittedly not great in number – who thirst for greater understanding of their social mileu in Halifax. For example, I was just about to broach the nub of the matter as contained in “The Grid” when I bid farewell. Did I snatch intellectual sustenance from those who clearly thirsted after it? Was I being selfish and uncaring about these tormented souls? These are matters for deep and sustained reflection. I am considering returning to the lists where I may continue to smite the Redneck Strutters.
I look for encouraging signs among the membership.
Cheerio!
I must have missed something, Frosty…
I was my impression that the Coast wasn’t giving up the names. Where does it say that they are?
CBC radio reported last night that The Coast will not present the case for NOT releasing the names today…and will do so immediately upon being instructed by the court.
Haven’t been updated yet today…
“The court doesn’t condone the conduct of anonymous Internet users.”
http://thechronicleherald.ca/Front/9016051…
It’s been a blast folks, but I think I’m outta here.
but miles you just came back, please stay
to the coast: spineless pussies
Will not present a case?!
But this forum functions in such a way that you cannot take seriously what people say. You know yourself, Frosty, that people deliberately play devil’s advocate–they say things that they don’t actually believe–in order to stimulate debate. And, even if they do believe what they say, putting it out gives others an opportunity to put it down. The firemen had the right and opportunity to argued their side here–just like even one else, so why are they doing it in court?
If the Coast is not going to present a case for releasing names, will they be providing legal representation for the people whose identity will be revealed? I mean, they encouraged people to speak freely (encouraged by the cover of anonymity). And, people presumed it was okay to do so.
Regardless, it’s a community, for christs sake! We discuss, we gossip, we fight, we have fun–what goes on here is no different than what is going on all over Metro. Will the firefighters (and anyone else who doesn’t like what is being said) be issuing citations or such to people talking on the bus or in the coffee shops, as well?
Oh…
“Neither the Coast nor Google opposed the application.”
If this is true, I’m out of here too.
kay did not write this bitch. hog… you’re an ass
Since all comments received become the property of The Coast, would it not be legally permissable for the editors to just delete anything posted at any time, for reasons of their own choosing?
Could not an “accident” happen—say a new moderator was hired, who could easily be expected to make a few mistakes the first days on the job—thus making all older posts irretrievable?
I would love to know exactly what the owner of a newspaper and web site can and can’t be compelled to do.
I gotta say, with my new job starting next month, I will be pretty scarce around here myself. I think this latest incident about the possible breaking of posters’ anonymity is pushing up my “disappearance” to a few days earlier on the calendar.
I’d be more concerned about what sort of precedent the court is setting (which is allowing subpoenas of anonymous IP data and actual names of posters), rather than what Google or The Coast do about it. All they do is provide a service, and they have to follow the court’s orders. Sure, they can challenge it, but does The Coast have the financial and legal wherewithal to fight it? Secondly, Google isn’t concerned about small town legal matters, as long as they keep their proprietary information safe.
All I know is that it’ll kill any commenting on legally sensitive matters, and expect something similar for the story they ran on May Ocean vs. Economical insurance because the stuff that was said during that commentary (even what was deleted) is far worse than what was said during the Firefighter story.
this is a dark dark day, get back to us bmf and we will migrate
Well Dr F, here’s the problem.
yes the court sets the precedent…and maybe it was in the bag right from the start…but by not fighting it, the Coast lost the chance to bring it into the public eye as a controversial subject.
Right now, manmy people are probably saying “Oh well, if THE COAST didn’t object, the ruling must be fair and fine!”
Fpr better or worse, THE COAST was all we had in this town standing up to the big guys, and now they won’t even do that?
I wonder what, exactly, is in this for Shaw and Wark?
Better access to the court gossip? A bit of payola?
How about a ride in a shiny red fire engine?!
Shaw can push the siren button and Wark can pull the bell head…
I think the bloom is off the rose that once was the shining, glorious LTWWB.
None of this would have been possible if we weren’t allowed to show up to the party “in disguise.” Not so cool now to think I may have to take my mask off in front of everyone.
Well everyone, it looks like today will be my last day on here. It has been a lot of fun. I will miss all our little chats. I’ll look for all you on another forum.
Those of you moving West, good luck, bon voyage, happy trails, and please pay a visit to WEM for me.
To everyone else, hopefully we’ll run into each other at the ol’ SS Food Court—my new job will mean I’ll be in there all the time now.
See you at Ray’s . . . and Mama Gratti’s . . . and that lovely Korean place . . .
You’ll know miss Ruby when you see her . . .
Maybe, maybe not. We don’t know. I’ve not a seen an official statement regarding The Coast’s stance, so, as such, all we’ve done is speculate on circumstances. Speculation doesn’t fly too far in a legal setting. Fact is, there were some defamatory comments made, and by not policing the site as they should, libel is brought upon the commenter(s). You do realize, there is a time where you need to pick your battles, and sometimes that means you lose.
Just because you fight “the man” at every opportunity doesn’t mean that it’s right.
Dr Fever, don’t ever change, lol…
Once again you have missed the point by a country mile.
No-one is fighting the “man” here, mate. We’re not anti-gov’t right wingers.
And this is NOT a legal setting, thanks be to the Gods.
And who, exactly, decides what is ‘defamatory’ anyway? If I say a restaurant sucks and I had a fly in my soup, does that?
The point is NOT what was said…the point is that this forum is meant to be anonymous…read my posts again, talk about picking the WRONG battle.
if they roll over for a few lunatic postings on here, they’ll roll over when the RCMP come knocking.
Don’t I remember you admitting on here you smoked pot?
Better lock your doors.
At any rate, the COAST is welcome to join the debate HERE: (as are you)
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?ref=pr…
I am very disappointed that the Coast did not take advantage of the opportunity to protest disclosure, but I will wait to see if there is a very good reason for this.
I realize that the Coast has a policy, and that, of course, it will not (and should not) support hate propaganda nor the people who issue such crap. But, they must realize that the anonymity that they have offered people has allowed people to play a game that they would otherwise decline. And that the people who agreed to play the game did so trusting that the Coast offered them some sort of protection. What people say on here is not necessarily what they mean or what they believe–to most it IS a game–and they played it freely and creatively because they believed in the protection of anonymity. And in this context, the charge of defamation is ludicrous, and the Coast should have taken the opportunity it had to show this to the court.
I never saw the comment(s), but…
what will Moser do if the accused turns out to be a black fireman who saw the anonymity as an opportunity to voice her/his frustration? I mean, the belief that s/he was safe to do so would encourage her to take advantage of an opportunity to cut through the politics to address the matter bluntly (perhaps even in the form of devil’s advocate). S/he doesn’t have to believe what s/he said to be true–it may be that s/he only saw it as a way to get answers. If this or something like it is the case, what a loaded gun that will be.
Aw crap…I have avoided joining Facebook for soooo long = p
me too hkm but it’s not so bad and i just have a grey head
i’m gonna hang around for awhile see what happens, i’m hedging my bets
angry/disappointed mrs. potato head
See frosty, you’ve actually taken it to the extreme by saying that the RCMP bust down your door because of a few “lunatic” comments. It’s a legal forum when you’re discussing things of a sensitive matter like the story of the firefighters, because that’s a factual situation. Something like LTWWB isn’t factual, I’m sure half the shit people post on here is a full-on lie. So are the comments, so a pre-moderated forum isn’t needed. News stories on the other hand, need to be, because people typically confuse their opinion with actual facts. If the comments in question were indeed not factually correct, and involved the people that are being investigated, well, those people have rights too. If they feel that their character has been degraded by what are indeed factually incorrect statements, they have a legal right to face their accusers (for better or worse), and the people that make accusations that may or may not have been made need to be held accountable. I’m sure what was said was less about their opinion and more about accusations of the people involved, otherwise there wouldn’t be a case for it. I think that it reflects poorly on the people launching the suit that they take such means, but it’s their legal right, whether we like it or not.
This is why, children, the CBC (and just about every other news source) pre-moderates their forums! The Coast just got caught not policing their site as they should be.
just me or shouldn’t we all just start spoofing our ips?
if that’s all they got then hell, that’s cake to get around….
I didn’t actually see the discussion in question—it was taken down before I had a chance to read it.
But I don’t see why that discussion should have been “policed” any differently than any other.
Did anyone post statements that actually abused the forum; did they post anything that could have been perceived as genuinely threatening; did they overstep the bounds of what is normally said/accepted/discussed on here?
If people were simply stating things that they had witnessed or experienced, or were presenting genuine counter-arguments, is this in any way an issue for the courts?
I realize one takes a risk if they speak negatively about an employer, but is such a thing illegal? For example, should a person REALLY be fired if they post on here that their boss is a jerk or has body odour? It is an anonymous forum, so I can’t see how anyone could necessarily prove that something was about them.
Also, if I read a post about a person who has BO, what kind of person jumps to the conclusion and thinks “Hey that’s me!” and files a libel suit? That would be insane.
I wonder if this whole thing might get thrown out of court. I am not sure anything illegal has taken place that the court should bother with at all.
The Coasts apologized to Halifax Regional Municipality Fire Services Chief Bill Mosher and Deputy Chief Steve Thurber several times.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7mIy97_rlo
Disclaimer:
This IS a joke. = p
haha good one hkm, maybe we should all use disclaimers…could protect us from having to name names
…or being taken out of context and brought up on charges.
Libel and Censorship video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6RHfLUXC28
My God! I just thought all this was about the “Redneck Strutters” and my next post outlining “The Grid.” Damn!
HKM, I think I might have some physical feelings about you.
Cheerio!
I stated that I would wait and see if there was a very good reason for the Coast not protesting disclosure. This is the reason Kyle Shaw, The Coast’s editor and co-founder, gave:
“he didn’t oppose the application because he doesn’t know whether it was up to The Coast to protect their identities.”
He explains further:
http://thechronicleherald.ca/Front/9016051…
This is not a reason…
it is a cop-out.
Ooops, let me clarify that statement:
It appears to me to be a cop-out.
“”what will Moser do if the accused turns out to be a black fireman who saw the anonymity as an opportunity to voice her/his frustration?””
This is a good point, though I would have preferred reading it HERE:
http://www.facebook.com/?sk=messages&tid=1…
30 members in the last few hours…not all agreeing on every point…that’s fine.
Join the group, let’s have the Coast wake up to 100 members by morning!
As you say, there may even be some great reason why they rolled over and played dead on this…but I cannot imagine it.
Because they will be up all night tap tap tapping out their fiery Jeffersonian rebuttle, I think it’s important to go with my first instincts as well – that being that something smells here.
BTW, this story now has international coverage…which it wouldn’t get if there wasn’t a lot at stake here. It’s not THAT the Coast is turning over the identities…it’s that they didn’t even resist.
And on further thought, I’m not sure if I even care why. BUT…I am a reasonable person, and NOTHING will be deleted from the FB group…including proof that I am an idiot for reacting so swiftly…you don’t want to miss THAT, do you?
Join, so that at least they know they owe us a good explanation.
Sitting back is not an option for me. In addition, I like the idea of off-site debate…it’s not anonymous unless of course you create an alias FB persona!
MM, yeah, I have that effect on people, but generally they assume it was something bad they ate the day before = ).
“”If they feel that their character has been degraded by what are indeed factually incorrect statements, they have a legal right to face their accusers…”‘
Maybe they do, but what about HKM’s point that all that may be happening here is for the fire chief to find out which of his members “rocked the boat”?
Why is the identity of an anonymous poster needed before a judge even LOOKS at the posts?
Of course that’s a legal question, and above my pay grade (and interest, really)
What I’m objecting to is how easy the Coast discarded “name and address witheld by request” – a time honored newspaper tradition.
Shaw says he questions whether it’s his duty to protect anonymity. I say it is, because no-one has DECIDED posts are libelous! I could just as easily decide that I’ve been dissed by this poster Dr Fever, because he called me a bad name and made fun of me…so I’ll get a $200 bog-standard lawyer’s letter sent, find out his name and address, and go slash his tires!
It STINKS, the whole thing stinks…and the COAST not only dropped the ball, missing a chance to be fucking HEROES worldwide, but showed themselves to be spineless and uncaring.
What if one of the 7 posters IS an employee?! What’s gonna happen NOW?
It’s like the anonymous suggestion box at work…the boss doesn’t like what he hears (sometimes the truth hurts!)… so he does DNA tests on your note!
How about anonymous polls about medical and personal facts? Anonymous HIV tests?
“I don’t like that this guy with aids is a school teacher, so I’m gonna nark him out!”
Bull shit! bull shit bull shit BULL SHIT!
Stand up and be counted or watch the splinternet become just another tool for big business, the police and insurance companies!
Dr Fever, don’t I remember you saying you were a fast driver?!
Maybe your insurance company should get your name from Kyle “quakin in his boots” Shaw and drop you like a hot potato!
“”See frosty, you’ve actually taken it to the extreme by saying that the RCMP bust down your door because of a few “lunatic” comments.”‘
How is this the “extreme”? Because of the door? I don’t get it. You DO know that they DO that, right?
The RCMP peruses the forums…someone posts that they like to smoke/grow a bit of pot. They call up Kyle Shaw, promise him a ride in the shiny new police car (or improved access to ‘scoops’ involving police arrests)…
…what’s ‘extreme’ about that?
Frosty, I am still reading the responses (local and international).
Here are some tips that might help = p:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/anonymous-slan…
You’re blowing it way out of proportion again frosty. First, the internet is not some wild west of “free speech” anymore (and it never was really, but nobody cared until web 2.0 popped up with all the social networking sites). It’s widely used, and widely accepted as a form of communication, so as such it’s subject to our common laws. This whole thread has been about “censorship” and “free speech”, but really, none of that has been infringed upon. You’re entitled to your opinion, but if the comments were as such that they defamed the people in question, well, there’s a legal responsibility to that; on both sides, on the person who made the comment (they can be held accountable), and the person who it was made about (they have a right to face their accusers). So, what I’m demonstrating here is that The Coast had no legal standing to defend the anonymity of the posters. Bad things were said about people that hold public office, which could potentially ruin them both financially and within the community.
I’ll use an example here: This would be like me going to your boss and telling him you’re a neo-Nazi, while I tell your family the same. That would potentially ostracize your family and make you lose your job. I know what I told them is completely wrong, but you lost your job anyways, and your family wont talk to you. You have every legal right to go after me, and you should, regardless of whether or not I’ve posted it on an “anonymous” website, on a bulletin board at the gym, or on a soapbox on the street corner.
Do I need to point out the irony of you using Facebook as a way to decry this? Really? A company (which is certainly as “Big Business” as they come, by the way) which essentially owns your information? That’s more scary than a local weekly newspaper that gives up the names of people that supposedly committed slander.
I will on the other hand, agree with you on one point however, there something bigger than a public official going after some random shit posted on the internet. What that is, I don’t know.
Again, I would have preferred to have this debate on the FB site, with 37 new members in the last 3 hours, it will be more relevant than THIS site is becoming in about 6 hours. 🙂
You say
“you’re blowing it way out of proportion again frosty”
Oops, meant to ignore this one, it’s ad hominum, and inaccurate. ( I might sue)
“” but if the comments were as such that they defamed the people in question,”‘
But no-one judged them to be, did they? The names were demanded to be released BEFORE anyone with any authority judged them to be libelous….cart before the horse!
“”This whole thread has been about “censorship” and “free speech”, “‘
It has? Not for me. Because I’m more concerned with privacy rights, which were abandoned BEFORE anyone with authority judged these comments. Are you familiar with the upcoming “Crookes v Newton” supreme court trial? It was precisely because the defendant REFUSED to remove the offending material, AFTER being advised that it was potentially libelous. I don’t see that being the case here, do you? The posts were removed AND Chief Wiggins was given the ENTIRE letters section for his rebuttle! Now, he wants revenge, clearly. But he’s just making himself look like an angry white guy…wait and see!
“”The Coast had no legal standing to defend the anonymity of the posters””
I disagree. And, again, my point is that they didn’t even offer an objection to the demand…therefore “normalizing” the abandonment of privacy, as if anyone with a simple unproven accusation of “libel” can get the names and addresses of anyone that has pissed them off. Is it libel if I write in my restaurant review that my soup was cold, and I got heartburn? And yet businesses are affected every day by this type of thing, without a frivolous lawsuit.
Maybe I’ll get a list of Coast readers that panned my restaurant – No soup for you!!
“”Bad things were said about people that hold public office, which could potentially ruin them both financially and within the community”‘
ASre you kidding here? “bad things were said about people that hold public office”. Really? Shocking. Again, we shall see how far this gets in court. I will have to be shown how an accusation of racial insensitivity could “ruin” a non-elected fire chief…A fire chief that was ALREADY being investigated. I have a feeling this will not go to court, it’s all about “outting” the dissenters. Are the 7 firemen? I bet they are. I’d laugh if one turned out to be a member of his own family…
Are you familiar with the findings that the HPD was rife with “institutionalized racism” a few years back? You know, Dr Fever, it’s NOT libel to suggest that there may be a problem…or to declare it, if there IS one.
“”This would be like me going to your boss and telling him you’re a neo-Nazi, while I tell your family the same.”‘
Except that I haven’t been under scrutiny by the media for being a nazi (careful here, you’re coming close to a Godwin’s Law penalty!) It could be argued that it’s more like a “police informant” coming out and corroborating that a suspect is guilty.
“”Do I need to point out the irony of you using Facebook as a way to decry this?””
Um, I guess you do, because I don’t see any irony here at all…(?!).
Facebook makes no claim of allowing anonymity, never has. Yes, they HAVE run into trouble recently with privacy issues, did you know that?… and they ARE a “big business”…glad we agree on something!
I’m not sure why you assume I am somehow “anti-business”? What I WOULD be opposed to would be corporations pressuring websites that allowed anonymous reviews of their products to ‘sell out’ their members whenever they got a bad review. For instance, just TRY posting a bad review of a high-ticket item from Canadian Tire some time. Not only have I had three fair but negative (IMO)reviews of a piece-of-crap engine I bought removed…but I’d be even more pissed if they were able to find my identity on a third party’s site, and ban me there as well, wouldn’t you?
“”I will on the other hand, agree with you on one point however, there something bigger than a public official going after some random shit posted on the internet. What that is, I don’t know.””
It has all the earmarks of a revenge vendetta to me. Fortunately for the 7 posters, they may not get fired from the fire dept for voicing their views, because people like ME will scream bloody murder if they do!
You, Dr Fever, seem to be content to just bow your head and wait for the richochet – you often accuse me of “taking it to the extreme” or going OTT on issues, and there may be a kernel of truth to that I suppose…But this issue is not about free speech, or libel solely. It’s about a breech of promise and privacy by The Coast, over the on-line equivalent of scribblings on a bathroom stall, because some lawyer rattled her saber…
We shall see how the story unfolds, I expect Shaw will be up late into the night preparing his Clarence Darrow-esque rationalization of his (in)action…
And I’m happy that he will also be greeted with a small, but vocal, minority of folks that are disappointed with the Coast.
This forum has lost much of its appeal for me. From allowing some people to swear like a drunken fish-wife, while banning others for less…all the way to the moderator having a “poll” to see if someone should be booted (!?)
I don’t think I can, in good conscience, continue to have deep and interesting conversations with people about drug use, mental illness and even speeding on the 104…all the while knowing that the policy of “privacy” at the Coast is as flimsy and unsubstantial as its investigative reporting…
It’s a ‘rag’, and now it’s a ‘sell-out’ rag
Stick to the smelly harbour, ‘green’ energy and bus stories, Coast, because you’ve lost the plot on sticking up for the little guys…all 7 of ’em.
I WOULD like to have you join the group, Dr Fever, even if only to give an opposing view. There have been one or two so far…and I have even conceded a point or two.
We’re 37 members strong, with only a few souls brave enough from here joining.
A little disappointing that…but tomorrow’s another day.
I just want to see discussion, not just sticking of heads in the sand…
The point you seem to be missing is that there was no reason to fight the court’s request. The things that were said were slanderous. Yes, they could have fought the process, but in the end, it would have been fruitless (and expensive, and given how the paper itself seems to be barely floating, it would kill the paper). In fact, the user names implied were actually deleted from the site when those comments were found.
I’d like to point out one fallacy in your “cart before the horse” argument. A judge can’t make judgments against on someone using a fake name, so it would be a different argument if the people in question used their real names. For example, John Smith vs. JerKfAcE82. You can’t hold JerKfAce to legal matters because, well, he simple doesn’t exist. But John Smith does. See my point?
Continue your outrage. You do have a point, as misguided as it may be.
First of all, “slander” applies to the spoken word…I’m sure the term you meant is “libel”.
Second of all—-says who? You? The fire chief? The Coast? popular vote?
“”In fact, the user names implied were actually deleted from the site when those comments were found. “‘
Exactly. And so most intelligent thoughtful people would naturally think that’s the end of it. Including the supreme court…
….in the only close precedent to this so far, Crookes v Newton, the latter blogger REFUSED to remove the links (to the libelous material) even after being advised by a lawyer that it WAS possibly libelous!
Who advised YOU it was legally “libel” Dr Fever? Do you even know the criteria?
“”I’d like to point out one fallacy in your “cart before the horse” argument. A judge can’t make judgments against on someone using a fake name, so it would be a different argument if the people in question used their real names.””
That’s NOT what I said. This is the ‘angle” used by Ms Awat in her petition.
I didn’t SAY that a judge should have made an early “judgement” AGAINST SOMEONE at all! I said that a judge should have looked at the COMMENTS and decided if they might possibly be defammatory….BEFORE ordering the Coast to betray confidentiality. IF the judge decided that the comments MAY have been libelous….then ask for the names, in order to proceed with an action.
I’m sorry that I’m not able to explain it any more clearly for you Dr F, you keep making the same error. Come join the site and I’ll whip your butt in a REAL debate, rather than here surrounded by cat stories and angry waitresses…
The point is, that right now there IS no action of libel…only an uncontested demand for the 7 names, which The Coast spilled like a canary.
It’s my opinion that there WILL NOT even BE an action, for two reasons:
1) There are no provable monetary damges here. This is not an elected official with a “reputation” to uphold etc etc. Take a look at the precedents Dr. F before you go apeshit with your assumptions…you need REAL damages, not imagined ones!
Methinks these fire chiefs doth protest too much…
2) Assuming the worst of the comments were the ones along the lines of “Those two ARE racists”. Well, they WERE being investigated on accusations of racial insensitivity! This whole thing is a sophomoric bluff…right out of the “firm lawyer letters 101 handbook”
Don’t assume that I don’t know what counts for libel, Dr Fever – after all it was ME who warned off the 2 Coast forum members for directly accusing the cross-burning victim of both theft AND a vicious assault…both unproven in court!
I was the one that advised them to put a stop to that. The Coast sure didn’t!!
Which leads me to my NEXT point. I know the psuedo-nyms of those posters (I have the thread saved, like many other threads 😉 )…and I know them to be basically good and honest posters…But that was a clear case of libel…where’s YOUR “outrage”?
…AND, if I were them, because of Kyle “chickenhawk” Shaw’s refusal to stand up and be counted, I’d be quaking in my not-so-anonymous boots right now.
So, do you think THEY are deserving of being “outed”, so they can be sued and perhaps even harrassed for their comments on here?
Hmm? Libel is libel is libel, right Dr. F?
If I were them, given how the Coast is now acting, I’d get a lawyer to have those threads removed ASAP…BEFORE the burning cross victim realizes that thanks to Kyle “spank me please!” Shaw, he’s onto a nice little money-maker here!
Let’s see who you and The Coast sticks up for then, shall we?
The Coast gives its posters a false sense of security:
Send Us A Tip:
“Have an idea for a story that should appear in The Coast? See something fishy happen in your neighbourhood? Or just have a question about how the city operates? Please tell us.
The Coast’s team of information hunters and gatherers is always looking for leads. Use this form to share what you know. Discretion is assured when it comes to protecting your anonymity, so start blowing whistles and raking muck now.”
If not for belief in such a statement (however misguided), a poster would not feel free to speak their mind or voice their opinion or, most certainly, play devil’s advocate.
Excellent point, cheers.
Hopefully, a little bird, or a “Rosebud” will post that to the FB site!
the lawyers look all happy and vulture-like
You believe what you want to. Your privacy means nothing (and never has, really) on the internet. This little escapade only forces the community to realize this. Just because you’re given the illusion of anonymity does not mean you get to have it. I think The Coast is doing the right thing. If you feel differently, well, you’re entitled to think that way. Sometimes you don’t see the forest for the trees, but there’s no convincing you of that.
As far as I’m concerned, it’s about time something like this comes along. It will add a shred to decency when people are discussing actual news events on the internet. It will mean less this:
John Smith posted at 12:00 April 1 2010: David Fakename, Mayor of Nowhereville is a Neo-Nazi loving KKK supporter because his mom is a whore! I say this because he supports a 10% increase in my sales tax!
Which is exactly why the internet still does not get any respect, unless you’re a guy who thinks that a Facebook group equates to a grass-roots protest movement.
But, Fever…
if the Coast feels the same way you do, they should not offer anonymity.
Especially if, when push comes to shove, they have no intention of trying to protect those who trusted them.
They don’t, that’s the thing. They offer you a screen name. That gives the illusion of anonymity, but it’s NOT anonymity. It’s a veil, an illusion. They record your IP, email (sign up information) and so forth, which fully eliminates that anonymity. People need to understand this. Yes, they’re an “alternative paper” that usually voices the common concern, but in the end they’re a business. In which case, they need to protect (and have every right to) themselves from legal consequences of those who may infringe on that right, and that may entail your comments being deleted, your profile being deleted, or outright banning your IP.
It’s the user’s responsibility to understand and read the privacy policy and take it as the gospel, regardless of how you may feel, or how you may interpret it, unless it’s written in legalese, in which case there may be an argument, but I’ve checked and both (privacy and comments policy) are written in plain English, as far as I’m concerned. In fact it’s more clear than most privacy policies out there (it’s certainly more clear than the EULA for most software programs or Facebook’s privacy policy for that matter). By simply signing up, you’ve given away your anonymity. It’s not their responsibility to protect you if you do anything that may or may not be seen as slander, libel or illegal, and they tell you as such. If you don’t like that, maybe you shouldn’t be using the site. But be sure; if you don’t play nice, there may be consequences.
Let me be clear: I don’t support the legal action, in fact, I think it’s the most of the most petty civil suits I’ve ever heard of, and it stinks of something of a higher purpose, whether that means they think one of the commenters is one of the employees, or they’re trying to discredit/financially harm The Coast by calling into question one of the cornerstones of it’s content. But it was bound to happen eventually, and it makes people realize how little privacy there is on the internet.
There’s bigger things to be angry about on the internet. Like Facebook’s insistence on owning your information like photos, phone numbers, and “likes”, or forcing you though more and more hoops just so they can get more per-click ad hits.
Or Google having sever farms dedicated to storing and gather all the world’s information on one source. This is all the while they put up a good face by “fighting the good fight” in China.
That’s more of a concern than than some dinky weekly newspaper’s website being legally forced to give up the names of a few idiots who couldn’t watch what they said on the internet.
I disagree with you Fever…or whatever your name is.
I was just in a phone conversation with someone who told me that anyone who wants true anonimity can get it by learning a couple of simple basic computer skills.
You simply set up a proxy & that means you log into you internet provider & then you go to a system …say in China, & you can then proxy off that computer system.
There are a bunch of them that you can find in seconds from any search engine.
When I mentioned, what do you do about having to provide a e-mail address he laughed & told me it can also be done, but it would be easier to show me.
Anyway if your paranoia…or what you plan on posting has you worried that big brothers coming (& the way the worlds going to shit…it wouldn’t surprise me !) it is simple to ensure your anonimity & with a little investment & learning you can hide yourself behind rotating proxies, & only the very best programers out there will have a chance of tracking you.
Or as I was told, if you want to be completely untraceable ,hook up your laptop to a wireless system & then go out & cruise around until you find an unprotected connection & use theirs ! ! !
They can then track activity only to that IP address, which isn’t yours !
But of all the things i just mentioned, I believe that using an unsecured wireless link, is still not a permited activity…It may even be illegal, but I don’t know if it is or not .
I’m not angry, Fever, I am confused, disappointed and I feel very bad for the people who spoke freely only because they believed it was safe to do so–especially if it was the firefighters venting (in the manner of everyone else who vents here).
Very true More, but here’s the thing. You’re still logging in, and you’re leaving cookies by doing so, which involve personally identifiable information. Also, your ISP has record of your computer’s information on any network, which identifies your computer.
Rotating your identity via a VPN (which is what your friend is talking about) isn’t foolproof. You’re still leaving trails of information as you go along. Also, VPNs are digitally signed software,which means it leaves a little snippet of info on your hard drive, which is what prevents illegal activities from being preformed by them, unless the program a hacked copy and the trace it leaves in your registry has been erased, in which case, you’ve gone above and beyond, and you’re hiding something more sinister than a few nasty words. Not to mention too, that person would probably a part of the tinfoil hat brigade.
I’m disappointed too, HKM. Not at The Coast, but at those who launched the lawsuit. There are better ways to approach the situation, but, for some reason, that has been lost on those who launched the suit.
We should be angry at those people, but not angry over something that The Coast is fair and upfront about when you sign up for their service; and while it pains me to say this, the people that are being forced to show their identity, should have been more careful. They hold just as much responsibility for this situation as the people as anyone else.
Dr.Fever is a fucking idiot.
Comments are closed, so I will say it here:
Good work, Tim.
Good for you, Blair!
Good on ya…you know who you are.
http://www.thecoast.ca/RealityBites/archiv…
Hello Again From Montreal!
Wow! This thread’s an old one – nearly a year now but quality will always out! It looks like Montrealman, as usual, emerged victorious! (Unfortunately, discussion of The Coast’s blowing the commenters’ covers had a lot of them attempting to practice sphincter control – some left by the back door – but since Montrealman doesn’t live in Halifax and, indeed, his cover had been already blown by some commenter-stalkers, the cackle was little more than water off Montrealman’s back.)
Now, if only “Do your job, HRM” can be rescusitated in similar fashion – it mysteriously disappeared some time ago after leading the “Most Discussed” category at 182 comments until “Going hunting on Friday” came along – Montrealman will have been instrumental in the posting of four(4) threads out of ten in that category! Can you believe it?
Reading over some of the comments on “Please go home,” Montrealman wants you to know that he’s beginning to move away from a direct frontal attack on the Halifax Underclass in cultural/sociological terms in favour of a more indirect, periodical, philosophical approach. Perhaps you’ve noticed. I trust you are in favour.
One last point. What happened to the “Camel Toes Complaint?” Some great links. Did a bluestocking have it yanked?
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
Check that comment on “Camel Toes Complaint.” It just popped up on “Most Read” and guess where – right behind “Montrealman please go home!”
Can you believe it?
Cheerio!
“Montrealman wants you to know that he’s beginning to move away from a direct frontal attack on the Halifax Underclass in cultural/sociological terms in favour of a more indirect, periodical, philosophical approach. Perhaps you’ve noticed. I trust you are in favour. “
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Intellect is dandy,
but cleverness is handy.
“Intellect is dandy, but cleverness is handy.”
An interesting comment Kim, but I’m not sure what it means. Four apparently opposing concepts come into play: “Intellect” vs. “Cleverness” on the one hand and “Dandy” vs “Handy” on the other. I’m looking forward to you “unpacking” the concepts.
Cheerio!
Intelligence as the ability to think abstractly or profoundly.
Cleverness as being quick-witted, shrewd, resourceful and artful (rather than cunning).
As in, although you may have the intelligence to see where people go astray, what good does it do if you cannot make them hear what you have to say? Repeating yourself over and over, using the same tactic over and over, and wondering why you are getting the same results is not clever. Using your intelligence to see all of the possible ways to achieve your end and acting on them is clever.
Take the Survivor thread for example. She could have maintain her position, not given an inch and just let it go at a stalemate. But, that wasn’t good enough. It had to be all or nothing. When she couldn’t get everyone to agree with her, she threw a tantrum–she decided that since everyone was to blame for her predicament, except her, she was entitled to abuse them…thereby alienating them. Now, you have more class = ) than that. But, in a sense, you were doing the same thing. In both instances, the effort put forth was a waste of time and energy. The difference between you and her was you changed tactics–clever.
But, you already know all this, and so, my effort has been both a waste of time and energy = )
2 thumbs up Kim 🙂
Hello Again From Montreal!
Thanks for the comment Kim. I thought you might have something like that in mind relating to the intelligence-cleverness distinction and I agree entirely with you. However (with me there’s always a “however”), I also think that you misconstrue my purpose in writing on this site.
You write “Using your intelligence to see all of the possible ways to achieve your end and acting on them is clever.” Initially, my “end” in coming on this site was to kick a little “Underclass” ass but, as I noted in my previous post, this has changed. I want to tease out the philosophical implications of the odd topic which appears – assuming, of course, it has sufficient philosophical depth as, a matter of fact, most do if you care to pursue it to any length. But this raises the question of why I want to do THIS?
I’ve thought about this (hey, what else is new?) and have concluded that the “end” I want to achieve is not convincing anyone out there that I am right and they are wrong but rather to explore my own point of view. Philosophically speaking, I want to find out who I am!
Someone once said that human beings start to become become human beings when they utter their first words. Those words, however rudimentary, constitute the linguistic expression of thought. The concept of a totally and permanently mute human being is a contradiction in terms. Human beings are thinking animals and writing is, in my view, crystallized thought. So, my writing on this site is, in the last analysis, an attempt to get clearer about who I am.
The only “end” I have in relation to others on this site is that my reflections might constitute a different take on things, a different perspective. However, I harbour no delusions on this score. Look at NiceGoinFat’s comment next to yours. The incredible part is not so much the fact that it is simply stupid (which of course it is) but rather the fact that he wants to announce it by way of posting a comment on this thread! But, of course, there are a lot of bottom-feeders on this site.
Thanks for the comment Kim. I always enjoy your stuff.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
hello monsieur, i was pleased to see the scottish deerhound win at the dog show
It was my thought, initially, that you appeared here in order to kick some ‘redneck’ butt, and, overall, I backed you. Unfortunately, due to the…um…dialect = ) differences, your meaning was often lost or misconstrued. And even more unfortunate, you ended up being sucked into the ‘redneck’ tenancy of name calling and heckling (as I noted in my ‘wading through the muck’ comment). But, the ‘King of the Castle’ competition was amusing, overall, wasn’t it? = )
“I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it,”
that’s assuming I read your posts anyways… which I don’t.
I, in my opinion, have to vote yes.
He was a beee-u-ti-ful doogy, painey.
tee hee, and by doogy, I mean doggy of course!
Good Morning From Montreal!
Just a brief reply to the posts in the mailbag:
: Paingirl (Feb. 21,12:07PM) – Yes, “Hickory” looked like a lovely dog, maybe a bit too large and shaggy for my tastes but there you go. Something similar to an Irish Wolfhound, but maybe Wolfhound owners would not agree. The only experience I have had with Scottish Deerhounds has been second-hand. A childhood friend visited us in Casteldefels, a small village on the Mediterranean coast just south of Barcelona where we were livkng at the time, on his way from British Columbia to Scotland to buy a Scottish Deerhound, which he did. But we, the Deerhound and I, never met.
: Kim (12:35PM) – In my reference to kicking “a little Halifax Underclass ass” I did mean “Redneck butt” but maybe the terms are not interchangeable. Maybe that would be a good philosophical discussion topic: Are all members of the Halifax Underclass Redneck Strutters? I would argue not, but it’s difficult to determine the exact point when one shades into the other. Any suggestions? I couldn’t find your “wading into the muck” comment or the “King of the Castle competition.” Are they on this thread? If so, could you give a date and time?
: zZz (1:11PM): I think we have a candidate here, Kim. He writes that, in spite of his never reading my posts, “I, in my opinion, have to vote yes.” While clearly having no basis to vote one way or the other, or even to vote at all, zZz sees this as no barrier to pompously broadcasting his ignorance, to posting his “opinion” on this thread. I think we have bona fide Strutter here, Kim. Do you agree?
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
http://copingmechanisms.files.wordpress.co…
King of the Castle: The ‘King” stands above the peasants shouting out, “I’m the King of the castle, and you’re the dirty rascals”. The rascals try to remove the King from his elevated post, so that they may claim the throne.
Now normally the King is physically ousted, but here it is necessary to engage in a match of wits (or other non-physical ploys) in order to de-throne the King.
Reviving this quote is moot, I think, since you have since changed tactics:
“It appears you have lost sight of the purpose of your self-appointed mission–to cleanup the unwashed masses. And the only thing that separated you from them–your Wellingtons–has appeared to have gotten stuck in the mud you decided to wade through. Tsk, tsk. Oh well, there is a certain primal pleasure to be found, I guess, in the feel of mud squishing between your toes. = )” ~You Are What You Eat
Even village idiots have a role to play in our society:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNBNqUdqm1E…
“HOLY GROUND”
Hello Kim. Thanks for the reference to “You Are What You Eat” and my mission to “clean up the unwashed masses.” I guess that’s why I couldn’t find it on this thread.
Anyway, I’m having second thoughts about my second thoughts – does that make four thoughts? – and re-considering my “new” philosophical approach to this site. Let’s face it, “Bitch” is not any “Philosophers’ Circle” – far from it. The result is that it’s now time to revert to my original mission, that, as you put it, of “cleaning up the unwashed masses,” of smartly cuffing the Redneck Strutters when the occasion arises. However, the setting will be somewhat different.
How many Commenters on this site have a thread named in their honour? You’re right, none except for…. Montrealman! He has come to look upon this thread as his private property, as his “HOLY GROUND!” Any intruders on it, such as the cretinous zZz will get short shrift. However, this will not preclude Montrealman’s venturing out from the Holy Ground to smite the Strutters as they arise on other threads, as his inclination dictates.
Speaking of zZz, I was correct of course in my assessment that he is a typical Redneck Strutter. He combines the essential characteristics of inarticulacy and stupidity. Lacking the ability to give shape to his “thoughts” he resorts to posting an infantile link which, of course, is what one might expect given his minimal capacities. There are, of course, different qualities of links. Yours, for instance showed an amusing clip of Monty Python but that is clearly beyond zZz’s abilities. What a wanker.
Well, that’s the latest from the newly-established HOLY GROUND.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
Once again our resident Polonius demonstrates with unconscious irony that “brevity” is indeed “the soul of wit”. Stick with one-liners or you may wind up getting stabbed through the arras (is that pronounced arse, because it should be >; )
Let’s face it, “Bitch” is not any “Philosophers’ Circle” – well duh, thank you Mr. Obvious.
You’re no Philosophers’ Circle either, more like the center piece at a Philosophers’ Circle Jerk.
thread named in their ‘honour’- You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. – Inigo Montoya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMMIhJOXY1w…
lolz Kim. Brian Blessed RULES!
http://hermes.hrc.ntu.edu.tw/lctd/comp/nov…
http://cine-serie-tv.portail.free.fr/actu-…
The Holy Ground, February 24, 2011.
Two intruders have stumbled onto the Holy Ground, the Mutt and Jeff of “Bitch,” making their usual unwelcome appearance. (Kim, of course, is always welcome.) Montrealmamn will dispatch them without ceremony.
: The Appalling Buffoon (aka “Col” Ivan) at 9:05AM writes, in a burst of originality in reference to my reasoned, structured posts, that I have inadvertently proven that “brevity” is indeed “the soul of wit.” (No attribution; trouble with placement of quotation marks.) Two points come immediately to mind: (1) When wisdom is on offer, who cares about wit? Montrealman’s concern is with the former, not the latter. (2) Sadly, the Buffoon’s own attempt at wit falls far short – indeed he unaccountably threatens Montrealman with violence! The theme is carried over onto his link (12:25PM) portraying two men on a battlefield with apparently suppressed homo-erotic overtones. The image, of course, is immaterial. What is material is the nature of the mind behind the image. In standard psychological fashion, one may confidently assume that the Buffoon’s real life is far removed from the heroics of the battlefield. Indeed, I have him as a minor clerk in a seedy bookstore off Barrington St. the main feature of which is a soft-porn magazine stand in front of which old men in dirty raincoats foregather shortly after the premises are opened to be joined, shortly thereafter, by the Buffoon himself.
: Quelle suprise! The Simpleton (aka Hugo Phurst) is back up again with his usual bad taste comments but, after asserting that Bitch is no Philosophers’ Circle, inadvertently goes on to raise a philosophical issue. He claims that “I do not think it” (the honour of having a thread named after Montrealman) “means what you think it means.” The issue, of course, is the denotation of terms, the word-world relation. In his usual way, MontrealmanI constructed “honour” in its broad interpretetion, as a recognition for tasks admirably performed, rather than its narrow sense of simple adulation. This subtelty is obviously lost on the appropriately-named Simpleton. He also posts a link (12:45PM) which, like that of the Buffoon, is of interest only in relation to the psychological fantasy it portrays. We see a picture of a Big Bad Man and, of course, can confidently assume that the Simpleton in real life is a small, innocuous individual of indeterminate sexuality, perhaps the victim of a wasting disease like spina bifida.
Don’t forget to close the door quietly as you leave, boys.
: Kim’s link (12:13PM), by contrast, portrays a very humourous “King of the Castle” in the person of a deranged Henry VIII. Well done Kim!
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
Whatever happens,
We have got
Bear Cavalry.
And Annie, does not.
http://www.eatliver.com/img/2007/1925.jpg
Well Annie Klienmen, PhDuh, missed it again.
Does everything I post go over yor head? You half-wit tomfool.
Pay attention you twit, you are being ridiculed, not honoured.
As I implied earlier, the only place you’d be honored is at the center of a circle jerk, or maybe a piss-pot party.
To be truthful, I wouldn’t expect anyone as pathetically contemptible as you, to have the least inkling as to what honour is about.
HaHaHaHa, fuck smeghead you get stupider with every breath, that ‘big bad man’ is Brian Blessed, that post was for Ivan not you. You certainly got an extra big serving of ego to go along with the NPD, didn’t you?
And, be careful there annie, your jealousy is showing. Does it really bother you that I’m more of a man than you ever were, or ever could be?
Thanks for reminding me Annie, the check that you sent for that series of ribald 19th century daguerrotypes bounced. So, if you really want to possess all 12 plates from “Two Bawds; One Chalice” you’ll need a valid credit card; otherwise they go on e-bay at the end of the week. We’ve already got an interested buyer in Tripoli.
http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.…
And then there’s (dramatic dum, dum,dummmm)
http://www.paracaidismodeportivograncanari…
LMFAO Guys. Gonna be a silly thursday. I can feel it in my bones. >: )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjE2sxCQ_rU…
Front row √
Cold beverage √
Popcorn √
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8yjNbcKkNY
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I don’t really dislike MM, I rarely understand what he says.
I’m indifferent to his rambles – certainly don’t hate him, know his type, have him slotted, catagorized and catalogued. Been there, done that, have the Descartes t-shirt just for the hell of it.
The Holy Ground, February 25, 2011.
Just a quick peek into the mailbag.
: “Col.” Ivan Sonovabitch: “Two Bawds in a Chalice?” A delightful melange of theology and lust, although it does sound a bit crowded. Small Bawds or big Chalce? Anyway, I’m on! Another cheque is in the mail!
: The Psycho (aka Hugo Phurst): Like the French defender of the castle in Kim’s wonderful video – “I blow my nose at him!” Then, as in the other one, I’ll hit him with my metal gauntlet.
: Guerilla Funk: Stay with it, Funk. Good things are never easy but I can see you’re trying. Effort is everything.
: TTFN: No dear, you haven’t been there, to say nothing of having done that. Do you realize that Descartes was a… a dualist? Very passé, TTFN. Not really “au courant” in current philosophy but, what can I tell you?
Do you realize that we have just surpassed the sadly deleted “Do Your Job HRM” which topped out at 182 comments and which featured Montrealman’s inimitable Bitches? Gone, but not forgotten.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
Warning: Retort NSFW.
So…you’re a real nose-blower, eh annie?
http://payattentionbitch.blogg.se/images/2…
These gauntlets are more your size.
http://media.getgreatcostumes.com/product_…
It is impossible not to envy the man who can dismiss reason, although we know how it must turn out at last. – Charles Sanders Peirce
omg ew
The Holy Ground, February 26, 2011.
: To Donk (Feb. 25, 2:08PM): Enjoy your popcorn! (Ref: Feb, 24, 8:26PM).
A pleasure … well, maybe not so much.
Cheerio!
Sorry, that should read “Kim” (8:19PM) and not “Donk” who was snacking on popcorn while watching the Psycho’s slide show.
Cheerio!
montrealman said – “perhaps the victim of a wasting disease like spina bifida.”
I wonder why he would consider that statement to be an insult? Is it because he thinks that people with genetic and physical disorders are below him, less human?
Do you look upon the handicapped with contempt and scorn, annie?
That would be truly ironic, considering that Stephen Hawking, an intellect a thousand times yours, has Lou Gehrig’s disease.
Spina bifida is a birth defect. Spina bifida is not a ‘wasting disease.’ I thought all philosophy critics knew that!
Don’t worry about me, MM…although a good duel can provide some entertainment, my pleasure is not dependent on it…or its victor.
http://www.kontraband.com/videos/13926/A-G…
Bawhawhawhaw, MM, love these lines:
‘Do you realize that Descartes was a… a dualist? Very passé, TTFN. Not really “au courant” in current philosophy but, what can I tell you?’
I knew I should have renewed my subscription to Philosophers Quarterly back in ’76. Fucking philosophical trends change faster than the whores in Charlie Sheen’s bedroom.
MM needs to starts a clinic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y
The Holy Ground, February 26, 2011
: To Oceanchick (12:02PM) – Now you stop that, Oceanchick, you stop it right now. The comment about “spina bifida” was not, of course, meant as an insult to those suffering from the condition but simply as an observation, an attempt to visualize the individual who would post something like the Psycho did. The picture I came up with was along the lines of Quasimodo in “The Hunchback of Notre Dame” but of course other visualizations might well be more fitting. Oceanchick, I want you to choose the condition of your preference. How do YOU visualize the Psycho? Be honest, be forthright but, of course, not vulgar. Post your thoughts when ready.
: To Kim (1:45PM) – I suppose the question comes down to what, exactly, your “pleasure IS dependent on.” I, for one, would be very interested in knowing this, Kim. You can be daring, even intimate but, unlike the Psycho, never vulgar. There are, of course, no restrictions as to the length of your relpy. Start now.
: To TTFN (2:28PM)- Would that be 1676 when you cancelled your subscription to “Philosophical Quarterly?” Descartes had been around until fairly recently and may well have had something published that year. He would have been big in 1676. Write back providing details but avoid vulgarity. Good video and a good idea – I think I might start an Argument Clinic but I suppose you would want to dispute that.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
That sounds like a ‘yes’, to me.
Nothing is more exhilarating than philistine vulgarity. – Vladimir Nabokov
Btw, how is that you can be rude and vulgar, but no one else? Pot & kettle time.
REFLECTIONS ON THE CUNT: A PHILOLOGICAL APPROACH
“Onomatopoeia; Formation of names of words from sounds that resemble those associated with the object or action to be named, or seem naturally suggestive of its qualities.” (The Concise Oxford Dictionary)
The recent flap over the Psycho’s post featuring a penis attached to the nose of a dead animal stimulated further reflection on those words referring to the sex organs, in this case the female external organs. In contrast to the Psycho’s post, however, the present study avoids all charges of vulgarity since its focus is not necrophiliac titillation but rather a philological and, by extenson philosophical, reflection on the denotation the word “cunt.” In my view, the “cunt” is, in philosophical terms, “under-theorized” and the following constitutes a first step in bringing it up to academic respectability.
As the definition of “onomatopoeia” suggests, certain words resemble those things or actions they denote. I maintain that “cunt” has this onomatopoeiac quality whereas, for example, “penis” does not. “Cunt” immediately evokes visions of a crevice, a crack, a slit in the same way that a “sneeze” evokes a rapid expulsion of air from the mouth or “fart” a rapid expulsion of air from the anus. (However, the French for fart – “pet,” the same as our household animal – does not have the same robust quality as its English counterpart which indicates either that the French fart more discretely or that onomatopoeia is language-specific.)
In any case,the philological point is that words possessing onomatopoeiac qualities like “cunt” have greater rhetorical power which, however, declines with frequent usage. Look at the word “fuck” on this site. While it is debatable the extent to which fuck posseses onomatopoeiac qualities to the same degree as cunt – does “fuck” automatically evoke the action named? – its frequent use has drained it of most, if not all, of its rhetorical force. So the take-away lesson here is to restrict the use of “cunt” if its onomatopoeiac qualities are to remain intact.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
Don’t like Nabokov? – I’ll give you a 3.5 for the irony 🙂
So, what’s your point?
Top of his head?
Coneheads – lolz TTFN 🙂
or Pinheads.
http://blog.beliefnet.com/crunchycon/zippy…
FURTHER REFLECTIONS ON THE CUNT: FROM ANATOMY TO GENDER?
In my previous post I wanted to examine the nature of the word “cunt” in terms of its powerful onomatopoeiac quality in the sense that it immediately evoked a picture of the object named. In this post, however, I want to proceed further in our investigation, to attempt to go beyond its sound-object denotation to explore the cunt’s connotations and its role in female gender construction. What is it like to have a cunt? Is, for a female, being called a “cunt” the equivalent of a black being called a “nigger?” Is she being reduced to a part of her anatomy? Is the expression “cunt” simply another instance of patriarchical oppression? As I maintained in my first post, I think that the concept “cunt” is philosophically under-theorized.
I originally had hoped to locate one of Kim’s previous comment on the cunt in one of these threads but was unable to do so. (Maybe she could retrieve it.) However, if I remember correctly, she seemed to concur with the feminist Germaine Greer’s view that “Part of the modesty about female genetalia stems from actual distaste. The worst name anyone can be called is cunt.” The point is that “cunt” is freighted with strong connotations, most of which are not positive. This distinguishes it sharply from “penis” and seems to suggest that female gender is largely constructed by those connotations.
Further, there is the passive, secretive “yang” in the Oriental “ying-yang” equation which ties in with Greer’s observation about female modesty regarding their genetalia. Whereas the “ying,” the male principle is external with nothing to hide the “yang” or female principle is by contrast hidden and covert.
Am I right about this? In any case, this is a work-in-progress which, obviously, would benefit from comments from those actually having a cunt. Perhaps one or two might like to contribute their own reflections. If nothing else, I think that a free and open discussion about the cunt would bring it out from under its wraps, so to speak.
A pleasureas always.
Cheerio!
http://www.ohsorude.com/newshop/images/Sma…
‘Zippy’, of course TTFN, couldn’t remember 🙂
Annie Kleinmen is demonstrating his maturity again today, he thinks he’s being witty and clever.
Go blow your nose smeghead.
Speculation only:
I’m not sure about the history of the word ‘cunt’, but I suspect it originated sometime after people shifted from the one-sex theory to the two-sex theory. Before that women were thought to be anatomically the same as males (at least as far as genitalia went) only they were innies rather than outies. Once thinking wrapped around the differences rather than the similarities, the vagina could be held responsible for everything that pissed men off about women. Although, it is possible (indeed, likely) that women were already separated with a twisted rationale that innies were somehow inferior to outies (like keeping women in their place because, once upon a time, a woman offered a man an apple).
Regardless, men like vaginas overall but not necessarily women, so using a word such as cunt to cleave one from the other (women from their vaginas), they can continue to worship the former while damning the latter. If not for this rationale, men would appear to be hypocrites or unfair, now wouldn’t they?
By the way, men love their penises, but they do not love being called a prick or a dick. So, aversion to being called a cunt doesn’t necessarily signify a distaste of vaginas.
After all, MM sprang out of one.
FINAL REFLECTIONS ON THE CUNT: REHABILITATING THE CONCEPT? (1)
The analysis so far has progressed from a consideration of the cunt in terms of its indisputable onomatopoeic qualities – one immediately pictures a cunt on hearing the word “cunt” – through to a reflection as to whether female gender construction is an outcome the cunt’s (largely negative) connotations – to finally arrive at an attempt to rehabilitate the concept. In other words, are the negative connotations of the concept so firmly established as to resist all attempts to restore the cunt to normal discourse or, on the contrary, can the cunt be successfully put on the normal conversational table, so to speak? Fortunately, Kim, who has a cunt and so can speak with some authority on the basis of first-hand knowledge, has kindly offered her assistance in the task. A close reading of her post, although of course by no means uncritical – hey, you’re talking to Montrealman! – will repay the effort.
Kim opens with the observation that the concept of the cunt originated after “people shifted from the one-sex theory to the two-sex theory. Before that women were thought to be anatomically the same as men – only they were innies rather than outies.” I must admit I had difficulty with this. I think that Kim might have meant that people shifted from the one-gender theory to the two-gender theory since, even in primitive times, people must have noted the difference between the penis (the “cock” if you prefer) and the cunt. But the absence of any distinction, if Kim is correct, at the level of gender might just point the way to the rehabilitation of the concept of the cunt. In other words, the absence of any prevalent concept of gender might undermine those negative connotations currently surrounding the cunt and show the way to the rehabilitation of the concept.
While Montrealman has just begun to nibble at the edges of Kim’s meaty post, it is necessary to take the limited attention span of the readers of the Bitch into consideration and so this might be a good place to pause before proceeding further. (Readers will note that #1 follows the title indicating it is only the first in a sequence.) Of course, Kim (or anyone else) might like to take issue with Montrealman’s observations and are at perfect liberty to do so. Any such observations containing a scintilla of substance will, of course, be incorporated into these reflections of the concept of the cunt.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
http://www.rathergood.com/hedgehogs
annie, stand in front of a mirror. See? – Now, that’s a cunt.
Annie Kleinmen: “I’m a genius, but I’m a misunderstood genius.”
Therapist: “What’s misunderstood about you?”
Annie Kleinmen: “Nobody thinks I’m a genius.”
(Apologies to Bill Watterson)
Pussy Jar 🙂
http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_feb2011/Jar…
There’s that darn word again [as puss hides]
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2673/379220…
“There’s that darn word again {as puss hides}.” Puss n Boots (March 10, 4:36PM)
You wouldn’t mean “cunt” by any chance would you Puss? And no, I’m not going to let you get away with “pussy” either.
Why do you want to hide Puss? Do you have issues with your genitalia? Talk to us about your cunt, Puss. Put it on the table, so to speak.
Cheerio!
montrealman, you are a small, pathetic, vile, disgusting excuse for half a man. Go lick the drippings fom your nose.
FINAL REFLECTIONS ON THE CUNT: (2) TAKING THE CUNT SERIOUSLY
“Man is the measure of all things, of things that are that they are, and of things that are not that they are not.” (Protagoras)
First of all let me say how delighted I am to be back on my own thread. Readers may have noted that Montrealman became side-tracked onto “When no means yes” where he nearly became feminized and co-opted, where he nearly lost his mojo and came close to being sucked up into the … well, never mind. Anyway, nothing is lost since he can now pick up the thread (little joke there) and can now continue with the second instalment of his masterpiece, “Final Reflections on the Cunt.”
My title, “Taking the Cunt Seriously,” is a little joke as well. The word “seriously” is often used by po-faced philosophers who want us to know that they are, well, taking their topic seriously. How else is one supposed to take their topic? I remember being at a conference where one of the speakers, with a straight face, actually used the word. One looked at him with incredulity. What an arse.
Anyway, I have opened with a quotation from the Sophist Protagoras, the famous “Man is the measure of all things.” My reason for doing this is to illustrate, for doubters, the “reach” of philosophy. Indeed, in a general sort of way, Protagoras may well have a bearing on our topic, the Cunt. (I’m going to capitalize the “Cunt” in future to indicate its importance.) Russell (that’s Bertrand, you wanker) claims that Protagoras was a relativist, i.e., that is that he maintained that there is no objective truth independent of what anyone happens to think. However, I’m not so sure if that’s the only reading. While, admittedly, it can be read that way, I read it to mean that there is nothing, not even even the Cunt, which is alien to man. All life, in other words, falls within philosophy’s “reach,” everything is fair game for philosophical reflection.
My next point is to refine just what we mean by the cunt as a physical object. Kim suggested that it is the semantic equivalent of the vagina, but I claim it is much more than this. For example, one doesn’t ordinarily say, “You vagina!” There is obviously a connotative dimension to the “Cunt” that goes beyond its purely denotative function. Speaking of its dentotative function, the French term is “la plotte” but this has a different meaning. It refers to the general area of the groin which includes, but is not limited to, the Cunt. The Cunt, then, can be taken as that area extending around the peritoneum, beginning with the Mons Veneris in the front and extending nearly to the anus in the back. It consists of two rows of the labia majora with the tip(s) of the labia minora peeking out to varying degrees.
But our mission lies at the connotative level. What, particularly for the female, is the meaning of the cunt? In a way, Montrealman is a feminist since he wants to lift the oppressive yolk of the Cunt from womens’ shoulders. He wants to set them free. But to do this, it will be necessary to confront the Cunt, to face it squarely. But that must wait for the next time.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
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You weasel faced git.
MM=Troll
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Agreed, definately a.. http://www.lidenstidning.se/internet_2007/…
Annie’s a blue waffle. Trust me, Don’t google it. I implore you.
You realize, Ivan, that’s like telling a fatty NOT to eat the double quarter pounder with cheese in front of them, right?
My life will never be the same after that.
Guys: don’t do it.
Everybody’s got free will. My conscience is clean (sort of). But, yes, this is knowledge that makes the world a poorer place for the knowing of it. >: 0
I really think montrealman needs to ‘get relaxed’. As it turns out annie, there is an excellent therapeutic masseuse near you. Her name (really) is Amanda Love, she works at ‘Tropicales Massage’, and she does in-home massages.
So when you call Tropicales Massage, let them know that you don’t want a regular masseuse, you want, Amanda Love.
And if she’s otherwise “engaged” there’s a new girl from North Africa named Amaquir Al-Suqya who is considered tres exotique. >; )
FINAL REFLECTIONS ON THE CUNT: (3) IVAN’S “BLUE WAFFLE”
“The female in the present sexual sytem is little more than a human spitoon.” (Germaine Greer: “The Female Eunuch”)
I move a vote of thanks for Ivan’s contribution to my continuing reflections on the Cunt. While the photo of the immediate post-coital phase is not the most flattering – full tumescence might have been better – I believe it accurately portrays the cause of the female ambivalence about the Cunt.
Three factors are in play: Germaine Greer’s “human spitoon” remark, Ivan’s “Blue Waffle,” and Pretty Kitty pleading “Guys, don’t do it” (i.e., don’t Google “Blue Waffle”). Clearly, Pretty Kitty has something she wants to hide. Is it the visceral nature of the Cunt?
If only Pretty Kitty would expand on the reasons for her plea, I think we would be getting closer to our quest, i.e., female ambivalence about the Cunt. But something tells me that’s a vain hope. Come on Kitty, we’re on your side!
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
I would, MM, but I don’t tend to feed the trolls.
Very hurtful, Pretty Kitty, very hurtful about “feeding the trolls” and all that.
By the way, can you define “trolls?” As I explained some time ago, in its original meaning the “troll” referred to a friendly but mischevous wood dwarf in Scandinavian mythology but the term seems to have been co-opted by mindless, pubescent boys reading their mindless, pubescent magazines. Any help on this would be appreciated.
It looks like Montrealman is going to have to do some research on his own to get clearer about female ambivalence in respect the Cunt but, between ourselves, its visceral, meaty appearance as illustrated in Ivan’s “Blue Waffle” seems to be the way to go. I’ll be getting back to you with the results of my research in due course.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
Good. It was intended to be hurtful, you fucking blue waffle.
Anyway, I’m going back to ignoring you now.
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WTF Wheelip!
What is she sixteen!
=) Ivan, I knew you’d get it.
Annie – troll
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Another aspect of Sméagol’s NPD; he’s always right, always professional and always an intellectual, he never says anything rude or offensive. If you are bothered by something he says, that just means that you’ve missed the point and lack the intelligence to understand what he’s saying. On the other hand, any criticsm of the great mont-mole-man, is nothing more than a vicious and unprovoked attack upon a grand and benevolent scholar.
I’m still wondering how smeghead ever got a phd….meh, they probably gave it to him just to shut-him-the-fuck-up.
FA- I didn’t force her to do the video at gunpoint! I googled Blue Waffle and found the video!
Please don’t think I endorse 16 year old girls having blue waffle…
LOL
No, I didn’t pin you as that type wheeliep 😛
MM and his new puptent: http://failblog.org/2011/03/14/epic-fail-p…
Bwa-Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha. …and when he finally emerges instead of smacking his ass we kick him in the head.
Can you blame his mother for expelling him head first? He probably wrote his first thesis on her stomach wall.
AHAHAHAHAHAHA TTFN. AAAAHAHAHAHA.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
I started doing some research on the Cunt in classical literature but, in spite of the fact my post on the topic was deleted, I grew increasingly bored with the whole business. Since, in addition to deconstructing the female gender as based on the biological reality of the Cunt, my goal was also to induce terminal boredom with the term in Bitchland so that it would become domesticated and run-of-the-mill. Such was my success in this effort that I became the victim of my own strategy. I became bored out of my mind and so I now can truly say, “Mission Accomplished!”
Pretty Kitty: You must stop laughing like that. It sounds like you might be losing it. You don’t happen to have a Blue Waffle, do you?
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
“deleted” – that woud be me 😀
For a PhDuh, you sure do miss a lot. A little slow on the uptake, not the sharpest knife in the drawer, a couple of cans short of a six-pack, don’t know shit from Shinola?
Idle curiosity here annie, what’s your IQ? Can’t be 140, or you would have been able to easily solve my puzzles. Meh….most likely…(just)average.
“Oh Blue Waffle Annie”
Henri Bergson nailed his Granny
All the faculty said it was shame
That now he’s deconstructing on a chain gang
Throw the pisspot at him”
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🙂 Ivan, chortle.
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Heh Heh Heh >: )
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This may be the problem:
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Lol – I didn’t know that annies father was black!!!
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SAY GOOGNIGHT, BOOER
“Hey Moderator, get this so-called intellectual jack-ass off the site. His spewing is offensive and condescending and he doesn’t fir the point of LTWWB at all.” (Booer, 10:51AM, April 12)
I suppose the time has now come to close the circle, to turn back to the beginning of this thread and spotlight Booer’s demand that I be removed from the site. Of course Booer didn’t realize that his demand would result in the very opposite – instead of being removed from the site it turns out that Montrealman has a thread of his very own. But, as usual, the results of his actions will always come as a suprise to Booer. This is because Booer is a deeply stupid man. Unlike Booer, however, I will give reasons for my assertion. The first queston we must ask is, who is Booer?
Booer is a Commenter and Commenters must be distinguished from ordinary, hapless Bitchers. The function of the Commenter is to pass judgement on the Bitcher but, in its turn, the function of Montrealman is to pass judgement on the Commenters. Montrealman listens to the mind of the Commenter at work and, as with Booer, usually finds that there is little or no mind at work. It is all unsupported opinion (“spewing”) which, being unsupported, is without value. But how will Montrealman support his assertion that Booer is a deeply stupid man?
Stupidity comes in two flavours, simply stupid on the one hand, and deeply stupid on the other. Booer is deeply stupid. He combines the vacuous emptiness of the simply stupid with the arrogance of the deeply stupid. Booer is unaware of the fact that he is stupid. His arrogance works to incapacitate Booer from realizing that that he is, in fact, the embodiment of the very things he accuses Montrealman of being, i.e., a “spewing jack-ass.” (Admittedly, Booer can never be called an “intellectual.”)
Look at his sentence which, for Booer, we are to take at face value. According to Booer, Montrealman is a “so-called intellectual jack-ass.” But how did Booer know this? To make the assertion Booer must know what a “real” intellectual might look like but, of course, we know that he doesn’t because, well, Booer is stupid. He is without reflection. Similarly, he charges Montrealman with his offensive and condescending “spewing” but since Booer gives no reasons for his view – isn’t it obvious? – Booer himself is the one doing the “spewing.” For people like Booer, of course, Montrealman enjoys being “offensive and condescending.
But, as noted, Booer is also deeply stupid. In his obtuse and smug arrogance, Booer demands that Montrealman be removed because he “doesn’t fit the point of LTWWB at all.” Like everything else, Booer simply assumes that he knows what the point of LTTWB is and, what’s more, for Booer, Booer admirably fulfills the point of LTWWB. But, Booer, just what, precisely, IS the point of LTWWB? I’m bitching about you now, Booer. Does THAT satisfy the “point” of LTWWB? If so, why? If not, why not? But, of course, Booer is too arrogantly stupid not only to understand the question but even to realize that there IS a question in the first place. That is what it means to be deeply stupid. In his own reflectionless mind, Booer’s “jack-ass spewings” are simply self-justifying.
I must thank the Moderator for rejecting Booer’s demands.
So now the circle is closed. Say goodnight, Booer.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
Annie has a crush on Booer 🙂
Gotta love word count – 34 times you wrote his name in your post, you got it bad for him don’t you.
On another point. I thought that you bored yourself off ltwwb, I knew that was too good to be true.
Again your very limited comprehension is showing. There’s a big difference between somethng that is yours, and something that is about you. Think of it as being along the lines of – ‘I’m talking about you, not to you’. But if you want to take pride in being a laughing stock, by all means, fill your boots.