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I recently have taken to task people posting meme’s about white privilege is the reason why the white rapist was given a higher sentence for the “same” crime committed by a black man. This isn’t the case. the black man was convicted on 5 counts of a higher charge but was given a retrial because one of the jurors was a victim of statutory rape and the defence knew it was their only saving grace. they then went to trial on 3 lesser counts of sexual assault because they couldn’t convict him a second time on the original charges. the sentencing took into account the 5 counts he was already convicted of.
Second thing people have been complaining about. 6 months is not enough for a sentence. This is a case of people not having a CLUE about judicial proceedings. It is well within a judge’s capabilities to offer less than statute sentencing, after deliberating with the WEIGHT of all evidence presented to them. Let me tell you that WOMEN are given as the NORM vs the exception lesser sentences for rape and sexual assault. in fact, I looked on a website of women convicted of sex attacks on minors and men, that they often got less than 4 months for similar crimes. only on the ones that involved children younger than 11 did they match times given to men.
To all SJW’s out there that post a meme that is factually inaccurate. you are morally and ethically bankrupt if you are doing this. You are disingenuous when you post these things. you are lying with inaccurate “evidence” that is easily looked into. Stop making interpretations and using conjecture and accusations to silence someone who is trying to correct you for it. If you want support for your cause…STOP FUCKING LYING.
Lastly, when debating or arguing, at least go by the Principals of Debate…instead of braying like a donkey over and over in an effort to drown out anyone who differs with your opinion. —Icky
This article appears in Jun 9-15, 2016.
and in case someone tries to extrapolate that I would support a 6 month term for sexual assault. NO. no I do not. not for a young man, a white/brown/black/purple man. OR WOMAN. period.
Demands often fall upon deaf ears. ~ Mr. Meaty
randomhero’s Corollary: Racism exists because he says it does…
I’m as anti-SJW as the next guy but this one is a poor example and one I won’t rally behind. It’s not the same as the Cornwallis statue bullshit in my view. That kid was a fucking dirtbag among dirtbags (did you know he didn’t just rape her but he put pinecones and gravel inside of her? As if raping someone isn’t bad enough.) Also he got 3 months in prison for this psychopath assault because, like that affluenza kid who killed a couple people while drunk driving, he was super sheltered and well off and couldn’t possibly have known any better. As a non-rapist white male it pisses me off that justice was not done here, regardless of what memes you saw. This kid is a piece of decomposing shit and deserves to fucking rot in the sun, bandwagon or not.
Hoist. You didn’t read the post I fear. The point is the SJW’s claiming that the black guy was given the same sentence for the “same” crime and then saying “white privilege”. And I also said that 6 months, while still the judges prerogative come passing sentence is not enough.
I don’t call anyone names when they are making legitimate comments. I will sometimes disagree, perhaps even strongly disagree. If someone is making incendiary comments like ‘typical east coaster, you are all racists’ then they must certainly be expecting someone to tell them to go fuck themselves. If you want to have a conversation, like your last comment, despite asking me if I have mirrors in my apartment (not sure what point you’re trying to make here but thankfully you changed your tone to a more ‘mature’ note), I am open to that.
I actually intend to be in the North End on the weekend, perhaps I will take you up on your offer, how will I know how to find you?
Hoist, I appreciate your candour and I honestly think you didn’t mean to misinterpret the meaning. Thank you for writing back about it. the meme in question was one circulating facebook with a photo of both the black rapist and the white rapist. they claimed “white privilege” in the case of the white kid while claiming they were convicted of the SAME crime. as I mentioned in the original post, it wasn’t the case. The guy was convicted of 5 more serious charges. A dirty stinking lawyer held on to the knowledge that the jury foreman was a victim of statutory rape, making him unqualified to stand jury duty. that was his only hope on getting a retrial. after the black guys guilty verdict, but before sentencing, he was given a new trial based on that issue with the jury foreman…not based on the actual case itself. since he was convicted of the more serious offenses, and couldn’t be re-convicted, they had to try him to the lesser crimes of 3rd degree sexual assault. the same as the white rapist. THATS where the similarities between the case begin and end. at the sentencing for the black rapist, they took into account that he had 5 convictions of the more serious offense in their deliberation, that he had previous criminal history, often violent, AND that he showed no remorse for the viscious gang rape he had been a part of. but all of that is conveniently excluded by the SJW’s when they post that. they don’t care about the actual facts regarding the black guys’ case because it doesn’t fit their narrative. to me, that’s out right lying. its disingenuous to the extreme. but that’s the modus operandi of a SJW.
I’d love to chime in but I find this bitch a little confusing. I’m all for factual based discussions though. My main point would be: don’t compare just 2 cases when discussing systematic racism in the justice system.
@Cuja12, to tack on to Take a Step Back’s post, I am curious. Did you search just as hard for cases that WOULD confirm that privilege may have played a role in the light sentence, or did you only search the specific case in the meme in order to dis-credit said meme? Also, do you fact check every meme you come across, that deals with law and/or in/justice?
Uncreative. when a judge makes a ruling that is less than the minimum statute, you can bet that they are ruling based on the weight of evidence regarding that particular case. that is a concept that is foreign to people. That judicial prerogative may include the chance of a less than statute minimum sentence. In the US justice system there are 5 criteria in assessing such cases. I cant recall each on off the top of my head but I did read it within their criminal code and the conduct of a trial judge. I do remember that one of those criteria include the perception that a lower time in jail would be best for the convicted in returning them to being law abiding and productive members of the society. If this judge, based on ALL the evidence made a lawful decision, as much as I don’t agree with it, I agree that he did his duty within the confines of the law at present. and I do, in fact do a lot of fact checking. I don’t go into an argument without looking at both sides of the argument. its fun to do because you can then anticipate for a large part any arguments against a point of view/etc. that’s one of the principals of debate. it helps one be objective in their pursuit of debate, vs just screaming like a donkey how I feel.
and the one thing I thought I had made very clear, was that in THIS case, comparing the two cases is not on equal footing. that the meme’s going around saying they are, are disingenuous. that they are factually incorrect. I never elaborated that the system was an issue. I was speaking, only of this particular meme. If I wanted to post about the criminal justice system and what I think or know about that, I would have. I didn’t. I was speaking about ONLY how SJW, including some here that don’t seem to understand the implications of claiming that the two cases are exactly the same and that because of that there is “systemic white privilege in the justice system” when that wasn’t the scope or breadth of what I was saying in the first place.
I am glad to see this conversation staying civil, well done everyone. It’s OK to have different viewpoints. I can relate to finding virtue-signaling to be very annoying — but again, in this case, the facts of the actual little shit that got 3 months in jail are just too much of a piss off to distract me from that point. And while I don’t know enough about the actual fact surrounding the meme in question I do think he wouldn’t have been able to manipulate the U.S. justice system quite so easily were he black.
Also Cuja, the thing not everyone understands about meme’s is that they are very rarely accurate. I say this not to be a dick but there’s a facebook page called ‘facebook pictures that fooled everyone’ (or something) and it’s full of memes that misinform people. A few I saw even I was actually like “Oh shit, that’s not real?” and then snopes was like, “Not real, bro”.
Uncreative and TASP, thank you for sharing your opinions and speaking up. I understand your point but there’s nothing wrong with doing your own research if you see something and suspect it might be fishy. I think Cuja (I’m speculating) was not so much annoyed with the meme itself so much as the person posting it?
There appear to have been some deleted comments, unsure why? Nowit looks like I’m talking to myself in the middle of the conversation lol. I don’t think either myself nor that ‘random’ troll guy said anything unreasonable.
But…he offered free hotdogs 🙁
Wow, just wow. Making a smartass comment doesn’t make anyone a troll. Weird that comments were deleted for no reason but I guess the moderator doesn’t like me.
Think I’m gonna stick to reddit. Same username so you can look me up and see how much of a troll I’m not.
(To the eds or mods, I submitted a similar post before, but I think this one might be acceptable in terms of not naming anyone in particular except the OP. Please use this post instead if you decide to post it. Thanks.)
I dunno, Cuja.
While the meme comparing the two cases may well have been disingenuous and/or misleading, there were similarities in terms of type of crime that committed. Both assailants took advantage of and raped unconscious women. Comparing and contrasting separate cases where college athletes committed similar acts is only natural. And, even taking into account all the details of each case, there’s still some room to hypothesise about how potential punishments may have been meted out had their races/circumstances been reversed.
Also, I’ve got to be honest : the title (“you don’t want justice, you want vengeance”), the fact that you stated that the judge was well within his legal rights to offer a more lenient sentence, and that fact that you brought up an only-partially-related-at-best point about women being given more lenient sentences than makes for the crime of sexual assault could easily lead one to extrapolate a conclusion that you might indeed support the lenient punishment. At the very least, your OP could have been structured in a much different manner to make it apparent that a six month sentence was unacceptable. That way, you wouldn’t have had to tack on your addendum in the first post.
Anyway, I think we all agree that while the judge was within his legal right to deliver a reduced sentence than what was asked for by the prosecution, it wasn’t particularly appropriate when viewed through the lens of common sense or when taking into account the nature of the crime. It’s not vengeful to think that a harsher punishment might have been in order, even without taking other cases or factors into consideration, and to think that justice wasn’t served all that well in this instance.
Maybe that’s just the “SJW” in me talking though.
Mod doesn’t like anyone, comments are deleted all the time for no apparent reason. That’s why there’s very little actual discussion on these threads anymore.
Hoist, you are on the same page as me knowing that meme’s are rarely, if EVER factually correct. But that doesn’t stop SJW’s from spamming them and then making their comments and opinions based on said MEME. I also am on the same page in that I don’t believe people convicted of sexual assaults or rapes should be let off. But at the same time I know, that women are let off for it much easier as the norm vs the exception. I think we are both on the same page as well with the frustration of listening to an SJW go on and on about something while being factually incorrect. then when they are called on it, they end up throwing an insult, an accusation etc. If everyone truly wanted justice, instead of vengeance, as I said, they wouldn’t conveniently forget of the thousands of women given even lighter sentences than this guy was, or comparing two cases that were in no way similar.