To all the bars that refuse entrance to patrons with European and British IDs, what the fuck are you thinking? Now I, as much as any one else of age, don’t want little underage fuckers in the bar either but when i have friends from overseas with overseas IDs you refuse access because their cards aren’t in your little North American ID book. She is blatantly older than 19 and holds three ID cards, but you flat out refused to acknowledge any of them. What exactly do you plan to do over the summer? Turn away international business? Here’s an idea, get your door men educated on international IDs and stop demanding customers to walk around with their passports on them!
—Sober Non-North American Resident
This article appears in Apr 23-29, 2009.
Ever stop to think that maybe it’s the LAW here in Nova Scotia you twat? If it’s not a Nova Scotian drivers license, liquor ID or military ID, they don’t have to take it if they don’t want to. Even if it’s an out of province ID, they don’t have to accept it. If they let you and your friends in, without proper ID and the liquor inspector shows up and asks you for your ID, the bar is fucked. Not you, the bar. Why do you think Reflections requires two pieces of ID now? Because they got in shit with the liquor inspector. So before you assume that it’s the bouncers fault, maybe you should check up on the local laws you immigrant-ingrate!
Never Wrong – i agreed with you, until your last sentence.
immigrant-ingrate? fuck you buddy. nowhere did the OP say that he/she is an immigrant, it was stated that their friends were the visitors (there is a HUGE difference between visitation and immigartion, maybe you should look into that).
and the ingrate part – as an immigrant, i can assure you that oh, iunno 99% of people who become Canadian citizens not by birth or marriage, or immigrate to Canada (again, two very different things) do so because they know that by coming here, they will escape the deplorable/intolerable/whatever-have-you conditions of their country of origin. i have not come across a SINGLE immigrant to Canada who was not grateful for being here, being accepted into the country, and for the opportunities that this country has to offer. pull your head out of your ass, and maybe upgrade your reading comprehension skills. and go for some sensitivity/diersity training.
Wow never wrong you sound like an asshole.If it is the law in Nova Scotia to only let people with a Nova Scotia DL or LL, into our downtown bars then our government has their heads farther up their asses then I thought. That would be just stupid, so much for tourism huh.the last comment makes me laugh. Whenever I hear about how Nova Scotia is full of racist hicks I always think hell no not us not in the circles I am in, but then I read a comment like that and it all makes sense. With attitudes like that no wonder people think we are a bunch of racist hicks. Feeling just a little embarrassed …
I’m not certain, but I suspect Never Wrong is wrong. My guess would be that anyone over 19 with authentic proof of age is allowed in any bar in NS. However, if the bouncers are not familiar with an out of town ID, they can deny entry. They can deny entry to whomever they want. It’s a private establishment.
they can… but in a port city, they should have knowledge or a manual of the foreign id’s as a reference so that they can be assured that their not being had.
Simple, If you are from outside the country, you would have needed a passport to enter the country. Use that.
Or, if you are here for longer than a “tourist visit”, get a NS ID card.
Have you ever travelled? If so, what did you use to get into bars – a NS license, or your passport?
A piddly little license from god-knows-where doesn’t mean dick all. When you travel internationally, you have your passport on you 90% of the time anyway, so take it with you when you go out. It’s that simple.
From what I have known about ID’ing people, it’s any government issued ID plus what never wrong stated. Next time that happens, go find a cop to look at your ID’s, if it was just because of the ID’s that they weren’t allowed in, the cop will make the bouncer allow you in. Trust me on that one; I have known people to successfully do it. As well, as bitch please stated, you should always have your passport on you if you are going out to bars in a country different then your own.
P.S, I am in no way saying call 911 if this is the case, it’s more if you can spot a cop around the area that you are in that isn’t currently held up with something else.
k: ummm… did you read the name of the OP??? “Sober Non-North American Resident” you fucking twat. Perk up your own reading comprehension skills you fucking righteous asshole. And why the fuck do I need sensitivity/diversity training? I am by no means a racist. I hate stupidity, not skin color. And for that matter how the fuck do I know what ethnicity the OP is? And how the fuck do you know? The OP said “European and British IDs”. Lots of Brits and Europeans are black/white/asian/etc. You’re the racist one k. You’re automatically assuming that by me calling them an immigrant-ingrate, that there was some form of racist intention/conotation behind it. I am stating a fact. This person is an immigrant and and an ingrate. You brought race into the picture not me. You had to make it about race and ethnicity, not me. You’re the one implying that all immigrants are of a different ethnicity than I am, which is a pretty racist idea unto itself. So YOU can pull YOUR head out of YOUR ass and go fuck yourself while you’re at it.
kirbul: I don’t sound like an asshole, I AM an asshole. I am however, not racist. I fully support the immigration of skilled workers to Canada. There are far too many job fields out there that we as a country do not have the capacity to fill without immigrant workers. And I’m not saying that I agree with the governments policy on identification, I’m just stating what I know from when I worked at a cigar shop. The tobacco inspector told us that the same regulations for indentification apply to the sale of alcohol (be it in a bar or the NSLC) as applied to the sale of tobacco/lottery/etc. If you don’t have the proper identification, the person who sells you the controlled substance (alcohol, tobacco, 6/49 tickets) is open to fines. And again to you, go fuck yourself. You’re making this about race, not me.
fallingangels… the cop can’t make the bouncer let you in regardless… and if it were back in my bouncing days, the only way a cop would MAKE me let someone in is if they were willing to take full responsibility for said patron.
Never Wrong – to be anatomically correct, I guess a person would have to pull their head out of their ass in order to fuck themselves – unless they want to give themselves a blowjob at the same time?
Other than that; I agree with your opinion on this issue
well stated NW. I agree that a person could be an asshole or bitch without being racist. I have been known to be an ass and bitch too.
Sometimes a hyphen makes all the difference….
By saying ‘immigrant-ingrate’, I assumed that NW was merely inferring that the OP was an ingrate who immigrated here. The negative emphasis is on the ingrate aspect, not on the immigrant aspect (though the immigrant aspect should be considered irrelevant anyway). If immigrant was being used IN PLACE OF a slur, then one could assume it was being used offensively, like for example, oh, I don’t know, the word ‘gay’ or something……
🙂
I can only guess which bar this was…probably the same one who threw two of my guests out who were from Ontario who had adequate ID (and are over 30!!). Dude inspected my NS id too like he was studying for a fucking test…and I’m WELL over 19. Sometimes bars just don’t want to let certain people in and use excuses to do so.
However, at the same time, without adequate ID as deemed by the liquor control board they COULD get their asses in a sling…I dunno I can see both sides here.
OH and interestingly, I went back to said bar a couple months later and they didn’t even flinch when my friend gave them his American ID before ordering liquor with supper. So…
To clarify the actual issue (aside from all the badmouthing going on here), Bitch Please is correct about tourists having to use their passports as proof of age. Out-of-country IDs are not accepted.
And also right about getting a NS ID for longer visits. They only cost $15 at Access NS
never wrong: please, for the love of Kthulu, point out where i mentioned race in my post. can you? i dont think so.
a non-resident does not mean they immigrated. in fact, ‘residency’ usually applies to the living space of an individual, i can me a resident, and not an immigrant in a country. you are the one who thinks you read something that is not there. therefore, you are the one who needs to improve reading comprehension.
and on accusing me of racism – i am an immigrant of multi-ethnic ancestry. kinda hard for me to be racist. where did i imply that an immigrant is of a different ethnicity? you were the one who pointed out the multiethnicity of UK, you are the one who brought the word ‘ethnicity’ into the thread. and you are accusing me? weird.
and sensitiity training, you need it because its fairly obious that you can not deal in a calm manner with (sensitive) issues.
And also, bars can get shut down and/or fined if they allow customers without valid ID into their establishment, no matter if the customer is 19 or 80 years old. They’re just covering their asses and you can’t blame them for that. Why should they care about denying a couple of people entry when they’re at capacity and have 50 more people waiting to get in?
Anyone can be racist – even “an immigrant of multi-ethnic ancestry”.
Thanks FP. I hate this notion that racism can only come from someone who isn’t a minority.
k: “i am an immigrant of multi-ethnic ancestry. kinda hard for me to be racist” – that is one of the most ridiculous and idiotic statements I have ever seen in my entire life. Seriously. I’m not playing this up here. That has got to be one of the dumbest things a person has ever “said”. I’m not even going to go there.
nevermind: Exactly!
Zzz, sorry you’re right, I didn’t quite word that correctly, the cop can’t make the bouncer allow the patron into the bar, however if it is a matter of verifying an ID to be legit, it can be done, if done properly. If a patron see’s a cop, and approaches the cop by saying something like “excuse me sir, I’m from out of town and I am having trouble getting into said bar, If you’re not busy could you perhaps take a look at my ID(s) and confirm to the bouncer over there that they are legit.” Sometimes that will work, like I said, I have seen it done. However it may be different now that you need 2 ID’s? As well, if a patron approaches a cop like “That asshole bouncer blah blah blah” most likely won’t work.
Friggin people, thank you for making that statement, I am sick to death that the only ones able to be racist are of majority cultures. NOT TRUE. However, unfortunately, majority cultural racism has a much more negative impact on minority culture. But racism is not excusable from anyone, in my eyes anyway.
P.S, OP if your friends didn’t have their passports on them, then you really have no right to bitch if they don’t get in.
Basil Fawlty, you and I are cut from the same cloth. I, too, couldn’t help but go out on a tangent about anatomy after reading “YOU can pull YOUR head out of YOUR ass and go fuck yourself while you’re at it”.
After way too much thinking about it, my verdict is that anyone male would HAVE TO do it in that order…but no such restriction for females. lol
Oh…the main point of the thread… Well, if passports were card-sized and therefore as easy to carry around as other pieces of Id, this bitch would not exist.
Are you listening, everyone in charge of any country’s passports?
NW – Hate to say this but I did in fact write this bitch and I am a Canadian Citizen. I was raised most of my life in another country however and wouldn’t consider Canada my first home so yes I am a Non North American Resident. As off tract as this bitch has gotten, as it appears to go for most, the main focus of this bitch was to suggest that perhaps Bars could become more educated and aware on International IDs. If they can learn to study a Maine ID (for example) then yes, they can learn what a genuine British ID looks like too. As for the Passport comment i do agree that it’s not the hardest thing in the world for a tourist to do but that puts that person in a dangerous position to loose their key piece of ID. If they just had another book next to that North American ID book which illustrated International IDs it would imply that the bar is accepting to all of their patrons. Canadian or not.
NW- I was the one that posted this Bitch and i feel I have to inform you that I am, in fact, a Canadian Citizen. I however was raised in another country for the majority of my life and while currently living in Halifax, as much as I love the city, I wouldn’t consider this my home Country. So yes I am not a North American resident. That being said if feel this bitch, as it appears most do, has deferred from the original points. I merely suggested that Bars educate their doormen on international IDs. If they can learn to properly identify a Maine ID, for example, they can learn to properly identify a British ID. If that bar had next to it’s North American ID book an International Book it would imply that this establishment is accepting to all nationalities of its partons. As far as the Passport comments are concerned I do agree that carrying your passport isn’t the most difficult thing to do. It is however dangerous for that individual who runs the risk of loosing their key piece of ID. With Summer comes a boom in tourism and turning away international business because they cannot bother to educated themselves further is ridiculous.
Do you have any idea how many fake out of province/country Id’s are floating around? Guess what, I don’t look 18 either and if I don’t have my NS drivers license or Firearms Possession Card(they take that as proof of age, too) I don’t get it.
Suck it up.
Pft having a varied ethnic background doesn’t preclude someone from being racist, K.
And Trade.Winds: You’re supposed to keep your passport on your person at *all times* to ensure you don’t lose it/have it stolen. You make sure there’s photocopies of it with family back home, and keep that sucker tied to you. They sell bags specifically for this to keep under your clothing.
just throwing this out there…
how many other pubs/bars are there here? If you were downtown, you could spit on another one… just move on to the next one and resume your fun. Were that to happen to me, I’d never step foot in there again to enforce my point.
but that’s just me… sounds like Kitty didn’t mind so much since she went back. Not a shot at you PK… just saying it wasn’t really a been a big deal to ya.
Trade.Winds: It’s not up to the bars to educate their doormen/bouncers about international IDs. There are laws in place about proper identification in NS and they are pretty strict about them. The bar could get a fine for allowing your friends in without proper ID. A passport is an acceptable form of ID, while a UK drivers license for example, is not. Now that you are aware of the fact that most bars won’t accept out of province/country IDs, take it as a lesson learned and make sure that your friends have proper ID with them next time you want to go to the bar. As for turning away international business, do you really think the bar is concerned about turning a few tourists away? They do just fine the other 9 months of the year without tourists, why should the summer months be any different? By letting people in without proper identification, they run the risk of being shut down and losing ALL their business. The owness is on you and your friends to have proper ID. It’s not the bar’s job to know every ID from around the world.
Hey guys Lets go to the bars in Halifax tonight! Wait a minute we are from New Brunswick we better leave early enough to go the DMV and get a Nova Scotian Licence so we do not get rejected at the door. The reason your outta Canada friends probaly didnt get in is because there TNA wasnt showing enough and they are probaly not buddies or blowin the bouncers.
neer wrong: you still FAIL to show where i brought up race or ehtnicity in my post. instead you opt to nit-pick semantics of my phrasing. how conenient, when you can not find what you claimed to be there.