I read yesterday that someone was given house arrest because he faced danger in jail. What the fuck? I thought jail was supposed to deter! Welcome to Canada, where our justice system is officially fucked! If you commit a crime, we absolutely don’t want to imprison you if that may cause you to be subjected to the same treatment that people get walking down Agricola or Robie. —Sick of our judges letting scumbags walk free

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  1. House arrest seems to be becoming commonplace now. And, I don’t think it has much to do with danger to the incarcerated(?) person. I think the government just likes that it saves them much money and headache to have the person’s family cover all the expenses while, at the same time, fill the role of jailer.

  2. If it’s a little gang punk who’s going to get his ass kicked on the inside, I say throw him in!. If it’s a disgusting pedophile…I say throw in!. If it’s some dude who has never committed a serious crime and holds no danger to society and it’s going to save the government a few bucks to let him stay home and play video games….let him burden his own family. But weekly drug and alcohol tests as well as those little bracelet’s to make sure they’re home.
    (Why can’t the system find some way to subsidise the funding by making them stuff envelopes or do laundry for public facilities, or even data entry on computers where they can’t get online).

  3. So now all the criminals will be citing “They will hurt me in prison” and have their lawyers request house arrest. I say lock ’em up and leave them. These criminals know what they face if convicted, so let them live with the consequences.

  4. You know this saves us tax payers a bunch of money right !
    I wonder how long it will be before the licquor stores start doing home deliveries ?
    After all, if they can’t get out, they gotta drink at home, give the gov’mint another source of revenue…I just had an idea, home delivery loto !
    Never miss a draw !
    keep that alternate revenue coming in.

  5. If this shit goes full circle, law-abiding people will be asking to be jailed to protect them from the filth on the outside.
    Return to hanging, flogging and public humiliation, name young offenders, fine the parent(s) – fuck the left wing, pissy pant liberals.

  6. Holy shit, I agree with Sebastard.

    Is it just me, or does the ol ‘bastard seem to be trying to be less of a ‘tard lately?

  7. Careful PK – that kind of talk could land you on the receiving end of a Nice Goin Fatwa. Nyuk, Nyuk, Nyuk.
    >; )

  8. While I agree with Sebastian, house arrest has become a convenient, low-cost solution to over-crowding in our jails. So obviously the knowledge that committing a crime will result in jail time isn’t deterrent enough to the masses who are willing to overlook the result in order to commit their particular crime.

  9. I agree with the op of this bitch. I certain member of my inlaws stole from where she was working over one hundred thousand and she was sentenced to house arrest. Personally I think she should’ve gotten jail. I saw a newscast where sisters were sent to prison they stole $11.00! That is the difference between us and the USA

  10. Ginger, the ones in jail in the US were convicted of armed robbery, which netted them $11. Thank God (can I still say that????) the conviction doesn’t rely on the take… http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/articl…

    I think they shouldn’t use that to get people out of jail.

    I think a judge who sentences someone to house arrest should put them up in their house, if this is such a great deterrent then surely the judge can live with it.

  11. THe Young offenders act is a PIECE OF GARBAGE legislation, brought in by the Liberals under Trudeau…many of you might remember Trudeau, the guy who hid in the woods , so he couldn’t be Conscripted in 1944 ! While our Country was at War ! ! !
    Well the entire country’s policing services are dealing with the B.S. of that piece of shit he forced onto us ! So are tens of thousands of Canadians who are victims of crime by youth who get little or no punishment for criminal actions, to the point they can murder someone…& we can’t even know who they are,what they look like or if they are in our community !
    I’m with you who say do the crime, go do the time !

  12. Nice Goin’ Fatwa! I like it! 😀

    I read about this article the other day. The felon, a 51-year-old, was attacked severely by other inmates in summer and sustained a lot of damage. Instead of house arrest, he could have been sent to another location – even Cape Breton Correctional Centre. The point is if he stays at his current facility (which is Burnside I believe) he’ll probably end up dead.

    And we know the justice minister don’t want dat!

  13. actually o.p., they are better off on the inside. more dope, games and whatever else they care to have brought in. oh yes, the corrections staff are in on it too i believe.

  14. Promise you’ll only use it for good, NGF. Naaaah – just kiddin’ – Give us Holy Hell >; )

  15. Getting hurt is part of the prison lifestyle these douchebags chose to be part of. I feel absolutely no sympathy for someone in their position, maybe if they got their ass beat, raped or whatever it might make them not want to go back to prison.

  16. Whhooo HoooOOOO! Rockets rock! Not sure how Monty will take them… of course, he did just eat a bag of S&V crisps yesterday!

    And Newt: Why not come with?

  17. to see the comrade of course. and i might even show up, loking for some suess books if they are to be had.

  18. Which is not that far away from the Commrade… of course, if you’re walking it might be a little chilly once you hit the Fleet Club! 😀

  19. i will be seeing our man on tues., have to be downtown at about noon. so i thought i might drop in for a bit of chat, if their can be found some free time. and to also peruse some of the suess book things, that one might find there abouts. sound okay comrade?

  20. Sorry Lifer – I’m only there on Saturdays. Monday to Friday I toil in the gulag that is Burnside.
    Which sucks because a sitdown with you, Rosie, Painey & Newt would be hella good fun.
    Check your hotmail; I’ll have some more info about “The Doctor”

  21. yeah cause someone that gets caught with a bit of weed and goes to jail totally deserves to get raped.. that’ll fix them.

  22. you need to pay attention to each and every post dearest hugo. that’s how i found rosie^^my brain works strangely

  23. Yep, I have no idea where Rosie is to. I have a Saturday to myself today – I may darken Ivan’s doorway, but I was there Wed PM and made some purchases… maybe I’ll have the courage to say hello this time 🙂

  24. Honestly, I don’t know how painey found me either… but I don’t really pay that much attention… I’m kinda old and stuff. Painey’s a smart girl.

    If you know where Ivan works and you head toward the Fleet Club looking for a doggy daycare… I guess that’s easy enough 😉

  25. I was thinking along the lines of ‘Frank Burns profanity’, but the game is good too!

  26. aka ‘The lipless wonder’… I figured that after 11 tears and countless re-runs everyone wold know I meant the show! lol!

  27. where have you been timothy? other bitchers beat you to the headlines^^when guns are involved in robberies the penalty is harsher but i don’t know anything else about the case. i just don’t seem to care *sigh*. did you ever watch “barney miller” rosie?

  28. Oh heck yeah! Loved John Soo (it was John right?) and of course Fish. I only watch old sitcoms ’cause new ones (other than Big Bang) are terrible! I watched Newhart and Dick Van Dyke as well. All oldies, all goodies!

  29. PG, my first mistake of the year, LOL.

    TBR, it was Jack Soo. Have you noticed how they go on about Betty White in that Snickers commercial but never mention Abe (Fish) Vigoda, who gets tackled at the end?

  30. JACK! Dang, my bad. Yeah BT, I totally DID notice that in the commercial. Whenever I poin t it out to friends and family they look at me like I’ve sprouted a third eye. Awesome commercial though 😀

  31. me likey old bizzarre show on comedy channel with super dave and john byner. truly, it is weird, just like moi.

  32. Can’t believe they still show that LS! Very cool! Then again I am kinda addicted to the old SCTV shows… good lord I am so old!

  33. I too, am a member of the LTWWB old farts club. I loves me some WKRP. SCTV, Bizarre, they just don’t make them like that anymore! A To. local station, possibly citytv, used to run the All-night Show back in the 80’s when most stations signed off in the wee hours of the morning. It was hosted by Chuck the Security Guard and his sidekick Ryerson, who aired all kinds of bizarre little goodies all night long. Ah, the good old days! Anyone else fortunate enough to have seen this gem of a show?

  34. I just wikipieded it to see what info they had and it was CFMT, aka channel 47 (that part I knew, just thought it was city) The show only ran for a year so those of us who have seen it were indeed fortunate. I’m impressed that I remembered the name of the hosts after all these years!

  35. you is a lil spring chicky rosie. not an old fart at all. shit, i remember black and white t,v., it was mostly live back then too. you had to be good to stay on the air then. ed sullivan was a must see show, uncle milty, mr. ed, and all the rest. member howdy doody, and old mr. bluster, ah those was the days my friends. and who could forget mr. drssup and the romper room gang. shit, i wanna go back to the days of not locking doors, friendly beat cops, and of course, longer summers, out of school. fuck guys, we had it all. not like the little idiots of today. things were easier and simpler then. no thoughts of terrorists blowing you up at night, just the ruskies.

  36. I remember B&W. I remember having to walk UP to the tv to change the channels (all 5 of them UHF whoo hoo!). I remember JD Roberts as a rock VJ (and not a CNN talking head), I remember Mike Myers on real access cable in Scarborough… hell I remember not having a tv. The Friendly Giant, Uncle Bobby, Romper Room, The Polka Dot Door… ahhh good times 😀 Oh, and I remember Good Times as well ;D

  37. i remember all those shows…yes sis i remember chuck the security guard (i actually attended ryerson for a short time). the original cfny radio station’s all night guy was awesome. he would play a song twice in a row if he liked it

  38. Ah…so you guy’s are playing a game of ” that’s nothing” (sometimes called remember when)
    How many of you remember party line telephone service ?
    thought so.
    Well we had that when I was a kid in Antigonish, in the early 60’s

  39. Those were awesome Painey…

    I remember having a party line phone at the cottage we used to rent in Parry Sound… one long, two short.. hee hee!

  40. Party lines were all the rage in those days in Newfoundland too More. One ringy dingy, two ringy dingy…

  41. That’s my kinda DJ sis. I do miss the free-form radio days when the DJ’s show wasn’t so tightly (if at all) scripted. Now THAT was reality entertainment! I thought you might also have Chuck the Security Guard in your repetoire of memories…ah, the good old days, eh?

    Yeah, Hugo, I quite enjoyed revisiting TMOL last night. Classic Python!

  42. shit more, party lines only went out of service in bridgewater in about 1986 or so. we were on one there in camperdown, that had about 8 or 9 others on it. and all they would do is talk about fucking recipies and shit. would have hated to have a real emergencyy happen.
    but they were fun sometimes, had a thingy from time life magazine, that let you listen in, without picking up your phone. great when you wanted to see if line was clear. which was very seldom. watching ratatoulie on t.v. now, neat movie. a cooking rat, wow.

  43. we are watching that flick as well suckulicious and the cat doc. and i’m finishing up my book so chickpeabikerbabe can read it…woohoo

  44. You have a book painey? Sweet!

    OC: I was so gonna say that… thanks for picking up what I’m puttin’ down… 😀

  45. we used to DREAM of living in a corridor! Was your shoebox in the middle of the road?

  46. …and our Mum and our Dad would kill us and dance about on our graves singing ‘Allelujah.
    Mornin Painey – how was the weekend?

  47. An pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home our Dad would slash us in two with a bread knife!

    And you tell the young people of today that…

    Morning MP fans! How are we all?

  48. Bereft of life, we rest in peace. Greetings and felicitations Rosie. How are you doing this fine morning?

  49. Ahhhh! Parrot sketch!

    I’m great Ivan! Other than car issues and breaking up with my hun… at least I woke up on the right side of the dirt! How’s by you?

  50. Yeah – back on topic. We live in a country where the RCMP apologized to the Muslim community in Ottawa for arresting suspected terrorists during Ramadan. So the notion of protecting criminals from the dangers of jail shouldn’t come as too much of a shock to the system. It’s only a matter of time until robbery victims start being blamed for “having more than they need”.

  51. Oh dear Lord Ivan… I never thought about that…. guess that’s why I was robbed when I lived in Ottawa– I had way too much stuff and they were doing me a favour! Phew! I’m so relieved.

  52. The post X-mas let down is kicking in big time. That long grim slog until the next stat. holiday is weighing over me like a 20 year stretch of Corrective Labour for violating Article 58 (Red Menace Alert).
    Sorry to hear about your breakup, but we missed you – for what that’s worth. RAWK! >: )

  53. Good morning from Montreal!

    Applying our philosophical insight to the question of “house arrest,” the issue is clearly one of the nature of “justice.” Well then, what is justice? The first step is to clarify the concept which, as we all know, is “contested.”

    Since he defined the concept very broadly, Plato’s definition of justice as “doing that which is most suitable” does not have much purchase on the question under consideration. By “most suitable,” of course, he meant that which corresponded to an individual’s guiding principles: the “Men of Brass,” for example, were motivated by material acquisition, the “Men of Silver” by power, and the “Men of Gold” by the search for Truth. (As you might have guessed, I am a “Man of Gold.”) So, as far as the question of house arrest is concerned, we can forget Plato.

    Generally speaking, “justice” is usually divided into two categories, distributive and retributive. The guiding principle in both cases is that of “fairness.” Distributive justice concerns the just allocation of resources. For example, does the discrepancy between the earnings of the CEOs of major corporations and that of the worker on the shop floor satisfy the demands of distributive justice? (I would say not.) Retributive justice, on the other hand, concerns the question of just punishment. Is hanging for stealing a loaf of bread to feed one’s starving children a “fair” application of the principles of retributive justice? (I would say not.) The question then comes down to that of determining the nature of “fairness” in cases of retributive justice. Is there an objective scale in terms of which fairness can be assessed in similar cases?

    I would say not. The law, like history and philosophy, is a matter of interpretation. There is no objective yardstick by which all crimes of a given sort can be measured. On the other hand, this does not mean that there are no criteria at all. It is, rather, a matter of interpretation but interpretation within the parameters of common sense. Of course, the question then arises as to whether the issue of the interpretation of fairness is itself open to further interpretations of fairness. I would say yes: Interpretations are not automatically self-validating. They are open to further feats of interpretation and so on, rendering the metaphor for the concept of retributive justice less one of a “yardstick” and more a “thermometer.” Assessments of fairness in cases of retributive justice vary according to the “climate” of which there are natural “highs” and “lows.”

    So, what about the question of house arrest. Well, it’s a matter of interpretation.

    A pleasure as always.

    Cheerio!

  54. Rosie, we’ve all been robbed by Ottawa 😉

    annie, are you familiar with the term, “truism”? Again – yawn.

  55. Ahhh Hugo me lovely, I adore you… so I’ve been boned by Ottawa twice, and neither one was in a good way!

  56. Sorry about the news Rosie, hopefuly it wasn’t like another bitch thread reciently.

    I might get to drop by your shop soon, just to check things out, I’ll bring the boy.

  57. Thanks guys, I appreciate it. Y’all are welcome anytime. I’d have a party on the mountain, but I live in the middle of butt-f**k nowhere… it’ll have to wait until the summer! 😀

  58. I was lost in this thread right around the Nertz comment….
    all I could think of was Russell Dunbar.

  59. Re: Hugo Phurst (Jan 10, 10:51AM)

    In response to my observation that retributive justice – “fitting the punishment to the crime” – necessarily involved interpretation, Hugo Phurst, in his usual sneering fashion, asks, “Ever heard of a truism?” Well, yes I have, but the question raises some interesting points for further reflection.

    First, Phurst does not seem to be aware either of what I was doing or the manner in which I was doing it. In effect, I was reflecting on the various types of justice – social, distributive, retributive – in order to get clearer what we were talking about which I think is always a good idea. Secondly and as usual, my style was tongue-in-cheek to some degree (cf. the reference to myself as a “Man of Gold”), a quality Phurst does not appear to be able to grasp. But anyway, what about the charge itself? Is the claim that the application of retributive justice requires interpretation just a truism? Is it simply an obvious and empty statement of the truth of the matter? Well, maybe and then maybe not.

    Starting with the “maybe not,” is fitting the punishment to the crime in Sharia law – for example the punishment for a woman found in adultery – a matter of interpretation? In the same way, is the application of retributive justice a matter of interpretation in cases of drawing cartoons of Mohammed? Recent events indicate otherwise. But it is not necessary to go to other cultures for examples of the absence of interpretation in the application of retributive justice. Look at some of the comments on this thread of the “hang ’em high” variety. Do these comments reflect considered interpretation as a requirement of retributive justice? Obviously not. So Phurst’s charge of my uttering a truism when I claim that fitting the punishment to the crime requires interpretation is simply false.

    In another sense the claim that the exercise of retributive justice requires interpretation is a truism is correct but for the very good reason that it is not
    possible to give, in advance of particular cases, a general substantive of that interpretation. More or less, each case is unique and not just with respect to the accused. Judges will vary among themselves in fitting the punishment to the crime based upon their background views (i.e. philosophy) which, in my view, boils down to how they interpret the nature of society itself: Is society an organic unity, one in which the individual is only a contingent and subordinate part, or is it an atomistic collection of individuals in which his or her rights trump any general considerations? In the former case, retribution will be more harsh while in the latter more lenient. My point here is that, Phurst notwithstanding, there can be only a “procedural principle” such as the one I have indicated – the requirement of interpretation in cases of retributive justice – and not, as he seems to suppose, a “substantive principle” which can be laid down in advance of individual cases. Of course, this lays me open to charges, like that of Phurst, of simply uttering obvious truths, of uttering “truisms.” So where from here?

    Where we go from here seems obvious. What is required is that Phurst, if he is in possession of a non-question-begging substantive principle of distributive justice that transcends the procedural requirement of interpretation as he claims, is that he give it now.

    My guess, however, is that the only thing we will get is another sneering (and empty) one-liner.

    A pleasure as always.

    Cheerio!

  60. … speaking of being lost…

    ooo, look. a long post…. and the only thing I read was
    “Posted by montrealman…”
    and stopped reading.

  61. Morning Rosie, are you always up this early? I’ll drop by again sometime I’m in town, at least you know what I look like.

    zZz – “stopped reading” – same here.

    annie, like I said, you’re a game I play. I cant be bothered to read your post today. Still waiting for you you to explain the Epictetus misquote; nah nevermind, don’t stress yourself over looking like a simpleton again.

  62. Hello again from Montreal. It looks a bit overcast st the moment but things might clear up later on. Fingers crossed.

    Just a brief comment on each of the two posts about my two-part piece on justice, so this won’t take long.

    One always wonders about the mentality of people like zZz (Jan. 18, 1051AM) who posted a comment saying, in effect, that he didn’t have anything to say. But, in that case, the question is: “Who cares?” Well, zZz does. He’s got psychiatric – specifically ego – issues. Even if he has nothing to say zZz still thinks it’s important for him to say it. In effect, zZz saying, “Hey look at me! I know it sounds stupid to say this since I’ve got nothing to say, but I’ve just got to say it!” Well zZz, you’re right about one thing. It doesn’t get any more stupid than that. But it doesn’t matter since you wouldn’t have been able to understand my comments in any case.

    In the same way, the “Embittered Psychotic” (aka Hugo Phurst at 12.12PM) posts a comment to say that he doesn’t have anything to say either but, like zZz, it doesn’t matter since he wouldn’t be able to understand it either. But unlike zZz, however, the Embittered Psychotic has REAL psychiatric issues! He’s a sneering, nasty one. But, come to think of it, that doesn’t matter either. As I predicted, sneering is all he is capable of. That’s too bad since the last part of my comment dealt with a question he had sneeringly asked (i.e., the one on “Truisms”). Anyway, I just want the Embittered Psychotic to know that I enjoyed reflecting on the nature of justice and then writing the comment, and so I suppose I should thank him for his sneering “inspiration.” By way of such thanks, I want him to know that I hope he achieves success in his continuing efforts to obtain his high school diploma.

    A pleasure as always.

    Cheerio!

  63. Ebenezer Scrooge: Waiter, more Ambien.
    Waiter: Ha-penny extra , Sir.
    Ebenezer Scrooge: You still here? Where’s my fucking Ambien?

  64. Hey look at me!
    I know it sounds stupid to say this since I’ve got nothing to say, but I’ve just got to say it!

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