Disclaimer: I’m just typing this and have not verified all the facts.
The convoy went by again tonight and we knew that someone up the road got shot again.
So after reading about the Lady whose family went bankrupt caring for her cancer a little while back, we were wondering who pays for the health care for drug dealers who get shot?
— crankyjeff
This article appears in May 7-13, 2009.
We all do. Even the drug dealers pay taxes.
Well some do anyway…
Health care funds come out of HST funds….so yes, even drug dealers pay taxes.
So do smokers, but I’m not 100% convinced the public health care system should be clogged up with ailments caused this lifestyle choice. There are FAR too many people on long ass waiting lists who didn’t bring their ailments upon themselves; why should THEY have to suffer because someone decided to suck on a pack or two of cancer sticks a day?
That’s just me though. *shrug*
They shouldn’t have to suffer. Expand health care services. I hate that we have come to the point where health care services are so inadequate that we now feel we have to start prioritizing who is more deserving of health care. The whole point of public health care is that it is universal…that is it is administered based on need, not income, age, sex, lifestyle whatever…universal. If there are long line ups then the government is not meeting its commitment to the public. Don’t blame healthcare, or smokers or fatties or skateboarders….blame the government for not managing it properly.
How could any government actually devise a system of health care meted out according to moral merit? How could health and it’s care be a legitimate priority, if time and resources are spent deciding not who needs it most because of failing HEALTH, but who DESERVES IT MOST because of the least personal responsibility in their condition. That is fucking outrageous. That type of reasoning is parallel to saying lets not give alcoholics, (even reformed ones) kidney transplants, lets not let waste money on abortions – oh wait, that would one would be allowed because the babies, if born would cost more money in the long run, so in that case there would be an exception, for “economic expediency”- and let’s see who deserves treatment because of how ‘innocent’ they are.
How do you know the person up the road with cancer didn’t perform any actions that were just as directly influential on his/her condition as did the drug dealer? Just because YOU PERSONALLY KNOW the lady up the road, doesn’t make her life any more important or valuable than a drug a dealer. Yes, politically her life might have more value, because politicians can pander to conservative viewpoints such as yours and gain votes. But in the eyes of the LAW and THE CHARTER OF RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS we are all EQUALLY DESERVING OF THE RIGHT TO NECESSARY HEALTH CARE.
Not only in the eyes of the law, but in the yes of whats just in a fucking society. Dont blame the government for not managing their health care money properly, blame it for not allocating money into more programs and things that ACTUALLY are successful in producing productive members of society that come from high-risk backgrounds. And blame people like YOU for thinking wanting to punish people by denying them the basic right to healthcare. Blame views like yours that only want to complain about a person’s lifestyle once he is in severe trouble. Where the fuck was society’s responsibility to the criminals of today who were children yesterday? where the fuck was the government then?
im not saying there isn’t a great amount of personal responsibility that must be taken for committing crimes. but that responsibility should NOT be assumed in the form of giving up the basic right to fucking health care. and if you have a problem with guns, then fucking do your fucking part to raise awareness and stop whining about the lady up the street.
well now…
Right on Miles (fh)!!
Does anyone mind if I raise taxes to pay for a health care system that really does look after everyone for everything and does so immediately without waiting? Something like HST at about 25% should do it, just a guess but I think it’s workable.
No exceptions or exemptions, it will be applied to all transactions, period. It will put a whack of folks to work too.
Who’s with me on this?
I assume you are being sarcastic. But there are those who wouldn’t mind paying a little more in taxes for big return in health services. The good news is, if you implement some of the suggestions for health care solutions out there, you don’t actually need to increase taxes (maybe very low increases) to properly fund health care. The problem is not that complicated. There is more demand than services available. Increasing the efficiency of the existing resources will solve a good chunk of the problem. Training more physicians, nurses and techs as well as some one-time investments in infrastructure can solve most of the rest. Also, reworking the way we administer health care away from general hospitals to illness/injury specific clinics and hospitals is also a solution.
Romanow and others who have come up with plans to save public health care are aware that increasing taxes is undesirable and their action plans minimize the cost to taxpayers. There are 2-3 really comprehensive reports out there and several other smaller and useful studies. All of which have been brought to the attention of the government. None of which have been implemented.
Actually, this time Milesy, I was NOT being sarcastic on the taxes thing. The system stinks!
—This is covered – but that is not.
—Go find your own doctor, hah, good luck!
—I can see your bleeding to death, please wait for the good doctor to finish his round.
—I’m sorry, nurses can’t do that.
—Here’s the prescription that will save your life, it’s only $5 grand a month.
I’m not cranky—-I’m pissed!! Not at the drug dealer that got shot, not at crankyjeff, but at the pathetic institution we call Health Care. This is not what Tommy Douglass had in mind!
I’d be happy to pay 25% on purchases ‘across the board’ to cover REAL health care. And the more money you have, the more you can spend, the more you contribute to the cause. Fairly applied taxes.
I like your good news Miles, when your right, your right, lets do it……do we have a third?……looking for a third……..anyone?………..
Oh, well in that case…Right on Smee!!!
I guess I get a little defensive about this issue sometimes.
Let’s head down to province house after work and sort these politicians out. You bring the Bristol Board and I’ll bring the Sharpies.
You have a job?……….Wholly shit!
Shit Milesy, you stood me up! There I was by Province House like a Badger outside of Perks with a white board saying nothing, no sharpies to chisel a point of protest. A couple a guys honked though, I guess they felt they could support nothing.