Here we go with the Christian bible thumbing army using one thing to take away the rights for all of us. Oh save the kids, no more child porn. This is clearly a case of Harper and his useless tits in government to get started on the ISP invading the privacy rights of all Canadians to spy on you in the name of “child porn”. What happen to probable cause and getting a fucking search warrant anyway? What the fuck is the point of police if the ISP’s are ratting on their customers in the first place? The best thing is that the sleep conservative followers will not be happy till ISP’s are ratting you out for everything. Trust me this is just the start, next they will be ratting on you for using bittorrent. You might as well stick your ass out the window and shit out your privacy rights at this point. Anyone that thinks this is a good idea in the name of stopping “Child Porn” is a fucking idiot. If the police want to get the names of the sick people downloading child porn then they should do their fucking jobs and do an investigation and obtain a search warrant before the ISP is allow to give them any information.
“Those who give up their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security.” -Benjamin_Franklin
—killerb
This article appears in Nov 19-25, 2009.
spoken like a true torrenter.
I think this is being pushed more in the states and uk by cable and satellite companies along with hollywood wanting to crack down.
we just chose child porn apparently to get the ball rolling.
I don’t know about you but lately I’ve actually seen an increase in the bandwidth they’re allowing me, rather than throttling me off at a fixed amount…
When I describe to the novice what an internet connection is I liken it to a phone line and a web page to an interactive answering machine. If more people understood internet to be just that how many of us would invite gov’t to listen in on our calls without cause or warrant. This seems no different. Fuck Harper. I’ll rally on this one. Who’s in?
Oh, and killerb, one does not need to thump a bible to know the exploitation of children is WRONG so I take exception to the title of your bitch. Too bad because the rest is spot on.
the expression is “bible thumping” not “bible thumbing”
I never noticed, jennier. That’s funny!
You’re an asshole, OP.
If you have a problem with ISPs “ratting out” those who access kiddy porn, then you really need your head checked.
And yeah, I know that wasn’t your point, but still — your argument is essentially, that, ISPs shouldn’t be “ratting out” anyone, even sickos who get off on watching children being sexually abused and that’s just fucked, man.
I hate that MOFO Harper. Watch him walk. It’s like he has a perpetual load in his pants. Fucking moron.
Kitty, how would you like it if Eastlink listened to all your conversations and reported you if they thought you were speaking to a criminal or about criminal activity? Fair? Really?
This is similar to what’s happened in the US since 911. Terrify the population and they’ll give up their freedom only in this case the “terror” is the thought of child exploitation via web page.
Hey, if you have nothing to hide then why shouldn’t we be able to look through your walls and listen to your conversations cart blanche? This thinking leads to the formation of a dictatorship.
I’m all for the persecution of those who would exploit children but not at the expense of of giving up my freedom and my privacy… just to make a cop’s JOB easier. They all ready have the tools they need. They can use ’em.
You’re right, Kay. Let’s let every sick who get off on watching/partaking in the sexual abuse of children do as they please. I mean, we MUST respect their right to privacy.
Let me ask you, Kay — how would YOU feel if your kid was hosted on one of these websites? Would you still fight for the privacy of these pedophiles then?
Get a little perspective, lady.
You’re an idiot PK, I don’t think the OP is against curtailing crime. Their point is the precedence this will set. Once you ok this and deem it acceptable, what will be next? Your answer will come to be tyranny.
“The only thing we learn from history is that we learn nothing from history“
Where’s the perspective on existing law and existing tools for investigation, kitty? I’m not saying let the children be exploited! I’m saying use the laws you HAVE to do your job!!!
I don’t see how this is an example of bible thumping
wow, kay beat me to that one….
Kitty, I’d recommend not fighting this one… unless you want to live naked in a glass house with cameras and microphones everywhere and a GPS chip inserted into your left buttock.
(or right, I suppose it’s your choice)
if they can snoop for anyone simply because it may occur, then there is no stopping where it can lead.
I’m paying for a service and using it as such. If I’m viewing that questionable material, maybe they should crack down on the fucktards MAKING said material so it isn’t available. Don’t jail me because I misclicked and now have a virus flashing paedo-twats all over the place. Even if it were my intent to view such material, if it wasn’t already there then I couldn’t so again, no problem. it parallels to the drug decriminalization…. don’t jail the users for what they do to themselves… jail the idiots to affect OTHERS lives…. the guy with the camcorder or the dealer.
If I understand the issue correctly, and someone help me out if I am wrong, the legislation won’t be looking at individuals who access kiddie porn, it’s targeted at the websites that have child porn as content and will allow ISP’s to identify and remove those sites from their servers or report them to the authorities. This doesn’t sound like an invasion of privacy to me. The websites are on the internet, in the public domain, and I think it’s about time that our laws catch up with technology and put a stop to internet-based crime.
Those accessing child porn are just as bad as those making it.
If no one accessed it, if there was no audience, there’d be a lot less fucktarded sickos out there making it.
You’ll never convince me that ANY law meant to crack down on the sexual abuse of children is a bad idea — whether it sets us up for “further invasions of privacy” or not.
ISP’s already have service terms with their clients that allow them to shut your site down, don’t they? I know my service agreement with Eastlink goes on and on and on… I’m sure posting objectionable content, causing liable, selling illegal substances, etc are all addressed in that agreement. So what’s new about this? As I understand it ISP’s are charged with the responsibility of policing now. If I were an ISP I’d object. BIG time. I’d also object if a cop walked into my business and told me what to do with my business equipment without court order.
How inclined are YOU to comply without court order?
Can anybody post a link to describe the issue better?
here’s a recent news article.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/11/24/…
miles, if it is the isp blocking known sites reported to them then yeah! sure! I won’t miss that content at all! I suppose ‘who are they to tell me what to see and what not to’ (so I can see the peodos arguing this) but I’m fine with blocking sites. hell, they block have the net off @ work and I don’t mind….
but Kitty, I’m not sure you realize what you’re agreeing to. If they can spy on you simple because of what you are ‘capable of’ and not ‘what you are doing’ then you’re in for a real world of hurt. You’re happy with anyone listening in on your conversations “because you might be plotting a terrorist attack” or preventing you from buying a kitchen knife “because you might kill someone with it” or replacing an alarm clock “because it could be used as a bomb timer”. everyone may as well be put in a padded room because we all have the ability to injure another at any moment…..
it isn’t the case of what this literally means right now… it’s what can be derived from the decision if approved.
If this is such a clever weapon against Kiddy porn exchangers, can’t these guys just get around it by doing what they did before 1994 (pre-internet)?
yep, they’ll be on the next flight to tailand. least they’ll be outta our hair for a bit.
Thanks for posting the article. It’s not what I thought. What I really want to know is what happens to an ISP if they don’t pay a resource to pass this information on to police? And what happens if they just delete the site given a breach in service terms with their client rather than preserving evidence for police. Is the ISP breaking the law for not providing police with the tools they need to do their job? How many ISP’s went into business with resources allocated to do the job of police? Yeah, it’s a very dictatorial move on the part of gov’t.
It think we need strictly peer to peer networks that are built with wireless broadcasting devices and build our own internet REMOVING the ISP completely. We have the technology. If we weren’t a capitalistic society there would be no central point of access to the internet and police would still have to do their jobs.
I now back this because of the statement
“ISPs wouldn’t have to engage in active monitoring”
Less kids would be abused if people didn’t download child porn. I’ll sacrifice a little privacy for that.
Asshole
I have no problem at all with doing what needs to be done to protect children from these perverted individuals. It is one of the reasons I believe, we should use to outlaw the Priesthood….but I degress.
I have some concerns whenever the Government decides to take away or infringe upon our ( MY ) rights. Like the Long Gun Registry, 2 billion + tax dollars wasted, more gun crime than ever before ! Accomplished so very little that IMO was a criminal waste of our tax dollars !
There are hackers & other computer persons who are capable of hiding their activities behind the ISP’s of computers they have hacked. Often these people have multiples of hacked computers with layers of security, with revolving ISp #’s etc. So what happens if say one of us here who are doing nothing like child porn related, gets picked up as an ISP # that is involved in kiddie porn, because your hacked ?
They (the authorities) just walk in & ruin your life.
At least with warrants etc. others not involved in the investigative part of law enforcement, make a determination on whether ‘ruining your life’ is worth pursueing…that’s how I see it anyways. A bit of protection & a possible impartial view.
uh… coming from someone named the ‘weed’ hog… that’s rich.
so cops should be able to pull over and search any and every car on the road at any time with no probable cause just because you can transport illegal substances in them, huh? may as well include public transit as well too, mandatory searches of persons on every metro bus…. so you now get to pass through 5 roadblocks on your commute to work.
fun.
and dont try walking around them…. you could be walking with drugs too, so you’ll be searched as well.
sounds fun, right? good on ya. you supported it.
I hate the “if you aren’t doing any thing illegal what do you have to worry about” argument. I worry about my privacy, that’s what. My business is none of yours unless I am breaking the law, which I’m not. So, unless you have probable cause to invade my privacy, piss off.
I don’t know enough about how ISP’s work to know if this type of law would even be enforcible or what kind of methods criminals could use to get around it or what the chances are of innocent people being inappropriately accused of being porn dealers. However, it’s clear that child pornographers and paedophiles and all sorts of unsavory characters are using the internet for crimes which are going unpunished. We have to step up our law-enforcement game somehow while still protecting our charter rights. This law may or may not do that, but at least we are having the discussion.
It amazes me that someone who could get it so wrong about my right to enjoy tobacco, as my forebears have done for hundreds (some thousands) of years….could get it so right about this issue.
Indeed it IS the ‘hot-button” issue of child porn that is being used as an excuse for this invasion of our rights, and to kowtow to the so-called “content providers”.
No-one would support this type of invasion of privacy over support for the poor folks in Hollywood/Nashville/Fox News…but mention “child porn” and hooo boyyy, they start coming out of the wood work…!
“”I don’t care WHAT the gubment does if it stops them pre-verts!”
What a (predictable) response.
BTW, if you have watched the award-winning films American Beauty or Pretty Baby…. or The Hole, or even Blue fucking Lagoon, you have watched child porn under Canadian definition. FACT.
So, do you turn yourself in now, or later?
hell, in uk they’re taking it even further and trying to include drawings…
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/17/ca…
Harper’s tits……gag.
Now I have to shower.
So, for the non-techy, what exactly is the invasion of privacy though? The ISP’s are going to be required to report suspect URL’s, not IP addresses, that are reported to them. Wouldn’t that mean you have to be the owner of the website to get busted? Also since the website is posted on the internet, it’s in the public domain right? So wouldn’t that be similar to catching someone distributing kiddie porn magazines? The ISP’s aren’t tracking users to those sites and they aren’t actively monitoring things, just responding to reports. So, what’s the privacy invasion? Kiddie porn is not protected under the right to free speech or expression.
zzz…”…had done Google queries to see if anime was legal, Botterill said. While it is legal in the United States, Canada has taken a firm stance that the representations constitute child pornography.”
http://www.ngnews.ca/index.cfm?sid=296576&…
Just saw “balls” comment now, saw in the Hearld a couple of months ago a guy got busted for watching anime porn (HFX police say they take it very seriously in the article). The article still might be up on that site. Just goes to show how Harper has one set of justice for you and one set up justice for Bell Canada. (Who donate buckets of money to political campaigns) No more then a fucking year ago Bell Expressvu was showing anime porn on their 10 porn channels on the dish. Holy fucking shit that pisses me off why are they not going after every single motherfucker that had this type of porn billed to them anyway? Why are they not going after Bell Canada for broadcasting that shit any fucking way? Harper and his Conservative dummies are so fucking two faced. Going after this one guy to fuck him over, but yet don’t give a fuck when it comes to Bell Canada.
“”Those accessing child porn are just as bad as those making it. “”
So the guy watching animĂ© “child porn”, called that by our “gov’t” and the RCMP because the female characters have narrow hips, small (or no) breasts, large eyes and other things that make them look like “kiddies”….although I know 40 year-olds that look like that, lol….he or she is ‘as bad’ as some priest shoving a crucifix up a 7-year-old’s arse wrapped in rosary beads, how?
This madness about lumping ALL images of models under 18 as “child porn” has got to stop.
Again, seen American Beauty? Thora Birch had just turned 17 when she filmed her sensual strip in the window…those big yummy titties turned ME on…must be something wrong with me I guess…oh well.
Under the Canadian gov’t, that was child porn…
Perhaps the producers of sensual anime should what, check for ID?
What a bunch of fucking hypocrites and fools we are in this society. Just look at the gaggle of cougars on shows like “The view” with their countdown to 18 of male actors…do that about a fremale, and oh no, here comes the fall of the western world!
Good. ’bout time.
So, in answer to my question KillerB, you are saying that the URL for my facebook page or my e-mail would be a potential target under this law? You could have saved yourself a lot of time and just said that. Sheesh. And try rereading my comments before you accuse me of not caring about my privacy.
Give me a URL and I’ll tell you it’s IP. It ain’t rocket science. ie. thecoast.ca‘s IP today is 209.104.5.141
Technically speaking, and fill me in if I’m wrong, there’s no bouncing your IP around and still have it work across the internet. It can take days for a new IP association to a domain to propagate throughout the internet. If people try to hide their servers using multiple IP’s they essentially put themselves out of business for days at a time. If there was a spiffy program responsiblie for forwarding only that program is required to determine the IP so it’s a lost cause. You cannot “hide” on the internet.
Maybe you know an IP translates to a physical address ONLY with the help of the ISP. I think a warrant should be required for the ISP to reveal private information about their client. Period. How hard is it to take that extra step to ensure by judge the law is being applied correctly? Isn’t that the POINT of obtaining a warrant? Why do we want to circumvent such an important part of the protocol? Taking that step goes toward successful prosecution. Avoiding or skipping that step creates a big hole for the defense to jump all over in protecting these scum.
I still want to know what happens to the ISP when normal investigative tactics track down child porn servers that “should” have been reported by the ISP under this new legislation. So, the ISP is responsible for what their clients do on the internet. May as well charge Bell for harassment should one of their customers call another with intent to harass. Where does accountability stop considering the objective is to bust child porn operators?
killerb, you keep trying to cite biblical passage as cause for such an objective. You’re right off the wall. NOBODY wants their children exploited and that has fuck all to do with what a book might say about it no matter how many times you say fuck in your post. Pull your head out of your ass, buddy. You’ll see better with the lights ON.
And, you know, MOST of you would find good use of police if pot weren’t illegal. Think about that.
How do you figure that kay?
uh, could you be more specific with your question, Dino? Figure what, exactly? The coast’s IP? that killerb would see better with the lights on? That cops are useful even to pot smokers? WTF?
I meant the IP trickeroo.
Private shit on Facebook?
Anyone who thinks ANY internet activity, let alone facebook, is “private” shouldn’t be allowed to have an internet connection in the first place.
I use the “would I want my mother to see this” rule…if the answer is “no” then I don’t post it on the internet.
Your ISP can track WHATEVER they want as per your internet activity, killerb. They have logs of your internet history on their servers, don’t you kid yourself. But hay, they OWN the fucking server you access your internet on so they can do whatever the fuck they want. Don’t think that since you pay for a service that you OWN said service. Aliant/Eastlink/Rogers/whatever other ISPs out there owns your internet and can do what they please with your internet history logs.
ANYONE who assumes that they had “privacy” in the internet to begin with isn’t really the brightest crayon…
Wow, comments disappearing left and right on the coast today. Nice to see the Coast has a bitching section but Bitch to much and try to get your point across and have your comments delete. You people are a waste of time.
uhhh… the bill will likely pass unanimously, so it’s not just Harper and his bible thumpers that are in favor of this..
You weren’t trying to get a point across. If you were trying to do that, and had an actual point, you wouldn’t have needed to use so many insults and profanities. If you want people to listen to you, insulting them is generally not an effective strategy.
Some people are way too fuckin paranoid…..get over it, if you are not a fuckin perv, you will never notice this bill has even passed.
I used to work in retail, and some people would refuse to fill out a return slip when returning an item. All we wanted was name, address, & phone and I would have to explain to people that no one would contact them or use this information for anything other than protecting the employee who is removing cash from a registar and placing it in your hand. Still people would throw a big fit….one woman refused to even put down her name or signature….she was all freaked out by it and was outraged that I would ask for such a thing.
Some people think too much….just relax, most of the world doesn’t give a flyin fuck what you do, especially when you are online.
yeah, and identity theft is all made up as well… the majority of people don’t care but it’s the ones that do who are the real problem.
Couldn’t’ve said it better myself, Miles 🙂
btw, killerb: it’s TOO much, not to much.
Not trying to be a grammar nazi here, but I very rarely take people seriously if they don’t have a basic command of the english language, let alone those who base their arguments on name calling and profanities. You fit the bill in both categories here, bud.
ALSO: stop taking the internet so fucking seriously.
I’m sure people can already figure out what I ate for breakfast this morning on the interwebs so I’m not too worried about this measure. Privacy + internet does not compute.
wtf? my posts deleted again?
two words: “la” and “me”
There’s def some weird shit going on at this site…posts are teleporting ffs.
“”NOBODY wants their children exploited””
I disagree with this. In extremely impoverished areas of the world, where starvation is a real threat, and not just sunday morning TV, many parents “sell” their children into sweatshops, servitude, and yes, even the sex trade.
To play devil’s advocate…I wonder what many parents would choose: having their 11-12-13 year-old son work 14 houre a day, 7 days a week in a toxic chemical factory for the rest of his life until he’s crippled and half blind for pennies a day….or letting some priest fondle his nuts for an hour for 50 bucks?
And I wonder what the kid would rather do? I know what “I’d” pick, thank you for your bleeding heart “western” sensibilities…but I need to eat, and I’d rather get sucked off by the Archbishop of fucking Canterbury hisself two times a day and thrice on Sunday than be another shit-walla from the slums…
It may not be the answer you like to hear, but yes, many people CHOOSE to sell sex…
“”And, you know, MOST of you would find good use of police if pot weren’t illegal. Think about that.”‘
This I kind of agree with. If it wasn’t for them having to enforce stupid, ineffective and outdated “vice” laws, (what we can’t put in our bodies/forbidding us from paying for or selling sex etc)…police would likely be “heroes” like firemen, paramedics and CAA mechanics…
Dino, write to ltwwb@live.com and I’ll send you the command