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A person, if they so choose, should be permitted to carry a firearm (shotgun, hand gun or a rifle) no matter the time of year or day into the woods. Basically for protection against some of the larger predatory animals out there. For instance against a bear or coyote. —GOVANNON
This article appears in Jul 4-10, 2013.
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Fuck Yeah, because if that Toronto folk singer in Cape Breton had been carrying a firearm…..
…she wouldn’t have had the faintest clue what to do with it because she was a folk singer from Toronto.
Not totally sure about the stats, but I do believe that shootings (deliberate AND accidental) tend to outnumber those instances where humans find themselves on the wrong level of the food pyramid. And as an urban Halifax dweller, I am definitely more leery of wangsta chuckleheads jerking off with guns than rogue coyotes and bears.
Call me crazeee, but…..
Stupid post. The problem with this assinine suggestion is that any moron could mistake a human for a supposed dangerous animal.
We’d be reading bitches like:
“WTF DUDE? I forgot to pick up my dog’s S*** – SO YOU SHOT HIM!”
or
“Next time I see you biking on the footpath, I won’t miss”
I have nothing agaisnt gun ownership or responsible hunters but seriously, if the woods scare you that much – stay home.
Boy scouts have clearly taught op nothing.
You are permitted to carry them into the woods. You just have to have a permit.
Bear mace and fire also work quite well.
… not to mention the “green alternative” – outrunning the person that you are with.
I also think Ivan makes a good point op. If you don’t know how to handle yourself in the woods, a gun isn’t going to help you. It’s probably just going to hinder you or get somebody killed.
Why are you going into the deep woods if you don’t know shit about the deep woods?? Who the fuck does something stupid like that? My father trained my sister and i to survive in weird places all our lives. And let me tell you, I DON’T go into the deep woods alone unless i absolutely had to (Which i haven’t yet)
It’s a dangerous place. A gun won’t help you if you don’t know what you’re doing. No tool will.
Throw in some random commas and I’d SWEAR this was written by the ghost of sucks.
Now look! You can have the coyotes (they may eat my cat) but stay away from the bears in the park bushes! They’ll only eat you if you ask…
If it’s your right… it’s their right too
http://files.sharenator.com/bears_with_gun…
I’ve encountered bears before. No big deal around here. Ticks are more a hassle. There are restrictions on various firearms from season to season, better look into that before venturing into the woods with a .308 or anything else that could stop a bear. Good luck taking saving yourself from a coyote with a gun if theres more than one of them, time would be better spent looking for a tree to climb than trying to ‘down’ one.
Darn gun-toting coyotes! I’m not even gonna edit that out.
sorry cranky, this is all i could think of http://storage.blogues.canoe.ca/davidakin/…
Obviously those against have probably never used a firearm or know nothing about them. A firearm in properly trained hands can be a very effective tool. Contrary to belief the vast majority of gun owners are very responsible. Criminals on the other hand, are not.
I don’t know about anyone else but given a choice of a firearm, bear spray (hopefully there’s no wind), or nothing, I’ll take a firearm.
A FAILURE OF LOGIC
Why should everyone be entitled to carry a gun into the woods if they so choose? You claim it is “basically for protection against some of the larger animals out there.” Isn’t something missing here? Like why are you going out into the woods in the first place? To commune with the glories of nature? You don’t need a gun for that.
Be honest. You just want to satisfy your blood lust. You just want to kill. You want to blow away a few animals just for the hell of it. You want to see them suffer. You want to see them die. Damn that feels good! If someone happens by, you can plead, “Hey man, ah had to do it. Ah had to protect myself against them larger animals out there!”
Makes me want arm up and follow you into the woods and blow YOU away. If someone happens by, I can say, “Hey man, ah had to do it. Ah mistook him for one of them larger animals out here. But damn, it sure felt good blowing that critter away! Yeah.”
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
News flash! Regards of all the restrictions that exist, I can still carry a firearm in the bush anywhere anytime. True I would have to limit myself to crown land instead of parks, shotgun or rifle instead of a hand gun, and my official story would have to be something different than “to protect myself from large animals”
Years ago, I owned a farm outside Stewiacke. No matter what time of year, there was always some fucking tool out in the woods who thought my horses grazing in the fields were deer.
Yeah, just what we need, OP, more drunken knobs with hair-trigger tendencies roaming around – you just know one of ’em will be on a rampage after catching his woman blowing a wharf rat.
Carry a can of hairspray and brass knuckles instead.
Drunken knobs with hair trigger tendencies? That sounds like Darthmouth whitetrash at a gangsta party. Canadian sportsman, well over a half million of them, don’t behave that way.
I believe the shooting was at the Red Fox in HALIFAX.
An idiot is an idiot whether they have a firearm, a car, a lighter, or the flu.
MM don’t call someone when you’re communing with nature and nature decides to off you because you stumbled into its territory or babies. Because you know, nature is so safe.
Testify Monsieur!
See OP, I don’t worry about bears or coyotes, I worry about people with firearms. That’s just the truth. So please leave your phallic obsession at home and enjoy nature for what it is?
Take Your Stinkin’ Paws Off Me You Damn Dirty Ape!
RVP
: Dim Bro Tim (07/09, 8:48PM)
Well Dim Bro, if you’re frightened of nature, then don’t go into the woods. Then you won’t stumble into its territory or babies. Then it won’t off you.
Instead, why not bring that 358 Magnum into the Red Fox where it can do some good. Blow a few of them low-life critters away. Damn, that feels good!
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
“Instead, why not bring that 358 Magnum into the Red Fox where it can do some good. Blow a few of them low-life critters away. Damn, that feels good!”
Aside from the fact that there is no such thing as a 358 magnum, MM actually has a good idea here. Who says that philosphers are incapable of coming up with practical solutions?
After Chuck Norris watched Magnum Force he had a specially made .358 Magnum, just to one-up Clint.
Of course, I am taking some artistic license with this, we all know Dirty Harry sported a .44 in MF.
LMFAO – but, as all us Clint fans know full well, while the renegade cops in Magnum Force were armed with .357s, Inspector Harry Callaghan’s weapon of choice was the Smith & Wesson Model 29 .44 Magnum.>; )
See Cranky, you knew that some tedious windbag of a Sheldon Cooper know-it-all would point out your error – and that’s exactly what happened.
>: )
If you firmly believe that folks should carry guns, rifles, pistols or whatever, I just have 1 name for you: George Zimmerman.
Although, I do believe this poor Jewish Latino is getting the bums rush and the race card is being played by Trayvon’s (AKA Omar Khadr) defence posse.
RSVP
: Col. Ivan Sonofabitch (07/10, 8:15AM)
Damn, I knew that there had to reason that gun wouldn’t fire. It was because it didn’t exist. This, of course, raises the question of the nature of existence, one which I will not go into at this time.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
Thank you MM, because I swear that if I have to read yet another dissertation on the “nature of existence” I will raise a .358 magnum to my temple, right below my full shock of flame red hair and blow my mensa sized brain right off the rippling shoulders of my 6 ft. tall bronzed beach bod.
>; )
So MM what is so scary about a gun. A gun cannot do anything. Like any other tool, it is inanimate. It is the operator that can do good or bad with it.
But hey folks, let me know who you’d rather be next to when a dangerous human or animal is around – MM who would probably bore it to death or me trained in the use of a firearm. Who would stand a better chance of survival.
RSVPS
: Ivan Sonofabitch (07/10, 12:39PM)
You’re welcome Ivan. My only question is just how you knew about the size of my brain as well as the beauty of my golden bod. You are, of course, correct on both counts.
: Dim Bro Tim (2:32PM)
“MM would probably bore it to death…”
It is not clear how I would bore the dangerous animal to death – the dangerous animal in the woods and not the human is, after all, the object of current concern – since it presupposes a certain level of cognitive attainment, i.e., to be bored one must realize that one is, indeed, bored. This suggests a certain “distancing” from one’s immediate surroundings – call it “cognitive perspective” if you like – which, at the present time, is a contentious issue in animal psychology. Put differently, animals can be bored if they are physically restrained but – and this is the nub – can they be bored by being intellectually engaged with a philosophically competent interlocutor? The question then becomes whether they are symbol-users in the full sense of the expression which, in turn, raises the further question as to the existence and quality of their conceptual world. Put briefly, do animals “think” in any sense beyond that of simple stimulus-response mechanisms?
I leave this question to your simple stimulus-response mechanism.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
Heh heh – I’ve seen pictures of you capering and skylarking.
mmm, capers
Organic garden? That’s what hippies eat. When was the last time you saw a hippie that could take on an offensive tackle?
Hank, do you have a wife named Cassandra? Squat troll-like woman, two-toned hair, stares down at her honker nose a lot? Spits like a snake and howls like a hound? Known in some circles as the ‘Bizarro Snooki’?
If so, how could you trade Peggy for THAT?!?
I ain’t afraid of gettin’ shot. Both my brothers been shot and they still alive.
I love it when people that know nothing about guns talk about guns. We get a whole lot of crazy talk that doesn’t reflect reality.
“Thank you MM, because I swear that if I have to read yet another dissertation on the “nature of existence” I will raise a .358 magnum to my temple, right below my full shock of flame red hair and blow my mensa sized brain right off the rippling shoulders of my 6 ft. tall bronzed beach bod.”
Col please make sure MM is standing shoulder to shoulder with you before blowing your brains out.Hell ,blowing away 2 brains is always better than one. lol
“Col please make sure MM is standing shoulder to shoulder with you before blowing your brains out.Hell ,blowing away 2 brains is always better than one. lol”
Sorry WHATACROCK, wouldn’t work. MM blew his brains out (in a way Mister Meaty would approve of) a long, long time ago. “Blow a few of them critters. Damn, that feels good!”
The Nature of Existence – I didn’t know that you’re a fan of Roger Nygard.
“But hey folks, let me know who you’d rather be next to when a dangerous human or animal is around – MM who would probably bore it to death or me trained in the use of a firearm. Who would stand a better chance of survival.” – Tim, I’d feel safer with MM next to me. You might miss, carnivores on the other hand go after the weak and useless.
I’d choose him too…
I’m 99% sure I can outrun MontrealSquawkSquawk and in a race like that, it’s a total sprint
Google “animal attacks hunter”. If you don’t kill a bear with the first shot you’re only going to make it angry, and you wouldn’t like it when it’s angry.
That’s why you train so you don’t miss.
i know a handful of gun owners of different ages, i trust them implicitly. they don’t carry them around, they are locked and unloaded in a safe place
I heard Furious blasted at somebody the other night. He get ’em?
L M A O …. Oh OB you are so funny !
This is Nova Scotia , we don’t have ‘deep woods’ here
What we have is clear cuts & pockets of woods. The biggest scariest critter in ‘ the woods’ I have ever come across ,is a drunken city dweller with a gun. Shooting at sounds in the bushes & just as big a hazard to themselves as they are to others .
The last thing we need are people like that out & about every day of the year.
& FYI I live out in ‘the woods’ & those scary monsters you mentioned are much more afraid of you. If you know what to do ! & that’s not just bears & coyotes but bob cats rutting male deer & moose. Which by the way I know a ruuting buck is way more dangerous than any coyote !
I enjoy reading the comments on this site, but never contribute. Felt I had something to say on this topic.
I grew up fishing, hunting and enjoying nature. I also served in the armed forces for this country. So I am efficient with a firearm and grew up with them.
I also met many people who enjoy firearms, these people that I’ve met know how to handle a rifle and show a lot of respect to the firearms capability.
With that said it is unfair to be putting them in same group as these inner city criminals, who buy guns, illegally I must add, who have no respect for anything. Nor I doubt that they’ll ever be going into the wilderness.
In my opinion I see no reason why a person who obtained his firearms legally should not be permitted to bring they’re firearms into the woods with them.
Sure the person may need it for protection, its possible, but the individual may also need it to survive. When your in the woods by yourself, you have to be self reliant. You may injure yourself, become lost, and may need to feed yourself at some point.
I never have seen a bear or any other predatory animal while on my excursions, but I guarantee you there out there and they have seen me. I have no idea at what tricks the pathfinder may have when hes being stalked by a hungry animal, or in direct confrontation with one. But I do know, and it doesn’t matter who you are, your going to be a lot more comfortable with that firearm by your side.
Now I know most of you city dwellers have never handled or fired a gun. I tell you this the gun culture that you get from the movies or the news is not how it is at all. We actually have respect for the firearms, know how to use them(majority of us), and are not using it as some sort of macho thing.
That said, enjoy your day before it rains again.
THE STRANGE CASE OF THE 358 MAGNUM, OR: THINKING ABOUT NUMBER AS SUCH
“Damn, I knew that there had to be a reason that gun wouldn’t fire. That was because it didn’t exist.” (Montrealman, 07/10, 12:19PM)
Some readers – well, maybe one or two – will recall that my reference to the 358 Magnum was misconceived. It didn’t exist. A Magnum with the proper number, whatever that might be, did exist, but not a Magnum with the number 358. But what does that mean?
It points to the tight conceptual correlation between number and the existence of objects in the real or natural world – I use the terms interchangeably. For example, if I have ten beans in a bag and ask the class, “How many beans are in this bag?” and if someone answers “Ten!” then that is sufficient. It is not necessary for the student to say “Ten beans!” The number ten is sufficient. But what does THAT mean?
It means two things. First, it means that the number ten, or any other number for that matter, is that by which we render multiplicity coherent. Without number, in other words, our concept of measurable multiplicity would collapse and chaos would reign. It is fundamental to our grasp of reality.
Secondly, and more importantly, it means that the number ten, or any other number, has an independent ontological existence from those objects in the natural world to which it corresponds. The number ten could have referred to anything – beans, marbles, stones and so on. The real-world referent is irrelevant. The number ten “floats free,” so to speak, from its real-world referent. One would never, for example, stumble over the number ten in the real world. It is just not the sort of thing over which one would stumble. By extension, the same could be said of number in general, of number “as such.” In the same way that one would not stumble over the number ten in the real world, so one would not catch a fleeting glimpse of number as such as it turned the corner. Number as such is just not the sort of thing that one might catch a fleeting glimpse of. But what does THAT mean?
It means that if number as such – since the number ten is just an instance of number as such, it can be safely set aside – is not to be found in the world of natural objects, then where IS it to be found? If number as such is simply illusory then, of course, it wouldn’t make sense to look for it anywhere but, as has been pointed out, number as such renders multiplicity coherent. It is one of those concepts by which we make sense of the world. That being so, the question still stands. Where would one look to discover number as such?
As it happened, the pre-Socratic philosopher Pythagoras asked himself precisely this question. What was his answer? As one might expect, his answer took the question out of the world of natural objects into the realm of the transcendent, into the realm of metaphysics. Indeed, for Pythagoras, number as such was the ULTIMATE REALITY! In addition to being that by which multiplicity is made comprehensible, number as such is infinite. In other words, it “floats free” not just from the objects of the natural world distributed in space but it also “floats free” of the same objects distributed in time. In still other words, number as such is the GROUND OF BEING!
And all of this from reflecting on the strange case of the 358 Magnum.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
Browning, right on. I wonder how many out there “get” your handle?
I did, I did!
http://mpmuseum.org/secur/weapons/browning…
I always pack a gat when I go in the woods ever since I came across a herd of deer that all had MS13 tattoos and kept calling me ‘vato’. Those mufuckas don’t kill people in a humane way like we do to them!!!!!