To the ass who’s pit bull ran down the street at my friends four year old as they walked home from a visit at my house.
Due to weather, mom and child had umbrellas, it is the only thing that blocked your circling animal from attacking an innocent child.
Your dog is out of control! You better fix that problem before I do.
And to all you pit bull lovers …. breeds are bred for certain reasons. Pit bulls were bred for farm work and to fight. I don’t think you can ever be truly sure your dog is one of the “nice” ones. Instinct is a powerful thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_Bull
A study examining a two-year period by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention stated that, “during 1997 and 1998, at least 27 people died of dog bite attacks (18 in 1997 and 9 in 1998). At least 25 breeds of dogs have been involved in 238 human DBRF (dog bite related fatalities) during the past 20 years. Pit bull-type dogs and Rottweilers” [the study places both breeds into one category] “…were involved in more than half of these deaths.” Additionally, the article concluded: “Although fatal attacks on humans appear to be a breed-specific problem (pit bull-type dogs and Rottweilers), other breeds may bite and cause fatalities at higher rates.”
—Buying a taser
This article appears in Jun 18-24, 2009.
I have a pitbull/rotti cross. She’s the best friend and companion one could hope for. She’s “smart”, well trained, not aggressive and thinks she’s really a lap dog. Fuck you, OP. A dog’s disposition reflects that of its owner, not that of its breed. Nurture wins over nature where our K-9 friends are concerned.
Ya, I’d be reporting the owner on this too…
don’t blame the dog for it’s issues.
Use your taser on the owner. Glad the kid wasn’t hurt, but this is not a breed issue it’s irresponsible dog ownership.
I had a Rotti cross for 14 years who also thought he was a lap dog. Adored babies, puppies and kitties, too. Kids at the playground used to hang off him and he stood there and reveled in their delight.
and to the owners of these dogs i say,when your kid is dead or hurt,then it’s too fucken late.
I had a friend, that had a chiuaua that would tear your face off if you went anywhere near her. I’ve also had a pitbull that was so friendly it too thought it was a lap dog! I saw a woman with a fierce bite on her arm from a dalmation. I’ve watched a kid get bit on the leg by a border colly. While the breeds themselves do have a lot to do with the genetic disposition of a dog, the owners are the ones who train these animals…or don’t train them, whatever the case. No, it is not necessarily the dogs fault, but if the dog comes running at me, I am not gonna kick the owner, I’m gonna kick the dog…then I’m gonna kick the owner.
Dalmations are horrible dogs to have as a household pet anyway, it doesn’t surprise me to hear of one biting. I owned a border collie that snapped one day and started biting everyone. It was well taken care of and loved, but according to the vet, the way in which they were originally bred, with their forehead pushed back, has increased the risk they will end up with mental problems. The nicest dog I’ve ever owned was a Sharpei, but unfortunately they have lots of health issues as well due to the folded skin.
u lost me at the Wikipedia link….
Hey LIFE SUCKS, my rotti/pittyX is about 15 years old. My son was 4 when we got her and he’s survived without ever getting bitten or scared by the dog. There’s never been any kind of violent incident. Still think she’ll become a killer? Get a grip.
This is a sensitive topic for sure and I am torn, no pun. While I know historically some breeds have had more aggressive purposes than others..it is the Owner that is ultimately civilly and legally responsible. I read a sign once: ‘beware of owner’ and I find that most fitting…
I do not see folks getting so upset with 2 legged animals who act worse….I am still upset at the RCMP shooting those dogs before it went to a court decisions all b/c the dogs got aggressive so says them…When police are acting stupid around me I get aggressive too…..anyway…this recklessness creates more fear in the masses and often unfounded fear….
I am sure it was overwhelming to have a strong fast dog come at them but take it out on the owner not the dog….
What bullshit. I’ve known several of these dogs over the years- all of them gentle, loving, intellligent dogs with consistent, trustful personalities that went unchanged into their senior years. But maybe that’s because the people who owned them had those same traits themselves, which is the key for ANY breed of dog!
I love Scooby Doo! 🙂
OP, you quote from a study that says that half of the dogs were rots or pit bulls. But most studies can’t prove causation. Instead of these dogs having the fierce dispositions, couldn’t it be that because these dogs have this type of reputation that they attract a greater than average percentage of douchebag owners who want them to be fighters and raise them that way?
I agree with the majority on this one, the dog reflects its owner – I grew up with rots and I LOVE those dogs.
The most viscious dog I have ever seen was a ShihTzu. Any dog has the potential to be a dangerous dog if it is not properly trained, socialized, and cared for. American Staffordshire Terriers, Rottweilers, and German Sheppards are often villianized but I think the P.R. problems these breeds have are largely due to the dog owners who choose these breeds because they want a tough/ intimidating animal and fail to properly train them and socialize them. Owning a dog is very rewarding but it is also a lot of work, which many people aren’t willing to put in.
I have a friend with a Pit/Rottie mix and he is perhaps the most well behaved (trained) dog I have ever been around, regardless of breed. Also quite a beautiful dog as well. It’s all in the owner/training. The only reason these dogs are considered high risk is due to their physique and people exploiting it…
I have to laugh at Pit Bull owners. You say ” he is the most gentle and loving dog you could ever meet”. That is the same line you hear AFTER the fiucking thing mauls an innocent child. “I cannot understand it. He never hurt anyone before this”. The fact is that any dog can bite or attack. The problem with Pit Bulls is HOW they do it. Most dogs just simply bite you and then let go. Pit Bulls latch on to you and will not let go. I am not saying all pit bulls are like this. However the potential for severe damage is more prevelant with a pit bull than any other breed of dog. THAT is a fact people. As for this dog that attacked, I would go back there with a fucking baseball bat,. stand on the street and call him. Then send him home in a bag.
screw that i’m getting a pug
so what…the dog was hungry. tell your friend to quit breeding.
I have to question why the Centre for Disease Control did a study on dog attacks. That doesn’t seem to make sense. Wouldn’t there be more appropriate organizations to conduct this study?
OP, you are one of the fucking uneducated morons that thinks every pitbull is dangerous!
Are you 100% certain that was a pitbull? probably not. do you have a picture of it? probably not
take a look at this:
http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/fi…
Thank you
Fuck you OP, you can take what will benifit you out of an research done on any topic. I have a rotti and you could not do anything to make him hurt you or a child. My son who is 6mths can pull his ears try to ride him like a horse. If get out of a dog what you put into your dog, my dog has been in puppy classes and training and I am the alpha dog in my house, if all dog owners do the same than all would be good it is the ppl who buy a dog and teach him to sit and that is it who have the issues. Still glad to hear that the 4 year old was not hurt, I would still call animal control and let them know what happened.
Funny, I have owned 2 herding dogs that could never stop trying to circle everything they could …. but I guess you are right people … if I had been a good enough owner then I could have snuggled it out of them.
Yes, The owner of this pitt bull is to blame but no one can honestly convince me that any breed of dog that has traditionally been bred to take down fucking Bulls is good idea as a house pet.
As for other attacks by other breeds … a ShihTzu … you are seriously comparing the bite of one of these dogs to a pit bull???
Oh, and by the way … Thanks everyone for your concern over the four year old … I am sure if it were your child or a friends child your opinions might be changed just a little.
Have any of you ever seen this type of attack? Nothing like the jaws of death coming straight at you.
oh c’mon JC, the kid was ok… the point of the Bitch is the dog.
By the way, there is no indication in the Bitch that the dog was trying to attack. Other than the assumption that it was. My dog loves children, in fact she would lick them to death if she could and guess what, she’s a pitty mix
Know what dogs are in the stats now? Pit Bulls. 10 years ago? Rotts. 20 years ago? GSDs. Early century? Newfoundlands, of all things. Before that? Bloodhounds.
Up yours, OP. It’s dumb people breeding shitty tempered dogs and bad training after a surge in popularity, not the breed itself.
I totally agree, OP, especially about your point about herding dogs and how hard it would be to train that out of them.
I’m glad the little girl is okay.
Actually JC that was presumptuous of you to assume that no one was in that situation just b/c we are defending dogs ……the twain should not meet….my son was semi attacked by a Rotti who was mischievous anyway and my son could not know that the dog was hit in the head the night before with a bottle so my son accidently touched the dog’s boo boo and in slow motion I seen the dog’s teefs and I did the 100 yard dash in 2.3 and wrestled with the dog so my son only got a scratch…and you know what until I openly forgave that dawg he was the biggest sook he knew he did wrong bu he was injured and acted out of instinct to protect his booboo…this was the owner’s fault for not letting us know about the booboo but apparently she didnot know about it either….
It is about being mature and often it is the adults reaction that causes the child anxiety….so keep it in check….
Also my brother at the age of 4 had half an arm chewed by a rabid German Shepard who the police had to put down….I went into shock in a different way than by brother cause I watched it fling my bro like a rag doll. I still have an aversion for GS but I have met nice ones since …..this was the dog owner’s fault and my parents fault…..
Also we were visiting a scumbag who had a pincher and was training it for fighting and defending the property ( did not know that at the time)….. on one occasion my baby leaned back and pinched the dog’s bandaged ear by accident, the dog went to bite my son, INSTINCTUALLY and I punched the dog in the mouth..INSTINCTUALLY….and then left….when I found out they were training the dog to fight I punched my baby daddy in the face….. INSTINCTUALLY
None of these stories was the dog’s fault….
So explain to me why, in Canada, Huskies and Husky-crosses are far and away the number one people-killer in Canada and why pit bulls are so far down the list that they were only involved in one death in the last 28 years, even though 28+ people have died from dog bites during that time and those incidents involved 60+ dogs. And that a child has NEVER been killed by a pit bull in Canada, even though 25 of those 28 people who died were kids.
In case you think I’m full of it, I have every one of those kids’ names, dates, places, and breeds.
And guess what? The consistent factors in all of those deaths was NOT breed or size of dog and was not number of dogs. It wasn’t even predominantly loose-running dogs, although there were a few of those.
The main consistent factors were three things:
1. Dogs that were not typically family pets were involved in many more incidents (i.e., dogs that were usually kept outside and didn’t interact a lot with strangers). Dogs and children that were not intimately familiar with each other was a huge factor.
2. Parents did not supervise their children, whether or not they knew there was going to be an interaction with a dog (e.g., one year old child wanders into backyard where there were 24 chained sled dogs).
3. Parents did not supervise dog/child interactions when they did know there was a dog involved.
Educate the public about these three things and I guarantee you dog bites will go down. Calgary did it very successfully, to the tune of dropping their overall dog bites by 75%, and pit bulls are their most popular type of dog!
Use your head instead of just reacting prejudicially and you might actually come up with a solution that works!!
That said, I’m glad your friend’s child is OK.
very good sbc, neuter, neuter, neuter….socialize, socialize socialize sorry i like 3’s…oh and the obvious… tougher animal cruelty laws
As I sit here with my Pitbull squished on my lap (60 lb lap dog she is) I remember with actual fear, the nasty bite I got on my leg from the Scottish Terrier, who went ape shit on my dog. She ran in between my legs, terrified, and I got the stitches.
I’d take stitches for her any day. Please educate yourself; do not use blanket statements to describe a wonderful, yet powerful dog breed. Every dog has the potential to cause injury and that is where the human comes in; training, assertiveness and responsibility are key to dog ownership and while I am happy the child is ok, I am disheartened to hear yet another Pitbull-bashing story.
I apologize in advance…
Please… mcgayle… the word is not INSTINCTUALLY,
it’s INSTINCTIVELY… after the third misspelling, all in
capital letters even, I just had to say something…
A person is not “INSTINCTUAL” they are INSTINCTIVE.
That’s if they have any instinct… just to be clear…
My fav dog is a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel actually…
You might get “kissed” to death, that’s about it…
Again, my apologies…
Sorry, Mikey, but they’re interchangeable. Although ‘insinctive’ is more common and appropriate for mcgayle’s particular usage, both are considered acceptable. And frankly, if you want to play vocabulary/spelling police on this board, you’re going to have your hands full 🙂
Mikey do you know what Einstein says about people like you caught up in process rather than content….
I speak the way I choose to speak and INSTINCTUALLY is a word…….
In the future I can send my posts to you via email for you to proofread them and post them for me?????
I love Cavalier King Charles Spaniels – obviously. However, I have met two so far that I wouldn’t trust. Any breed of dog will contain good ones and “bad” ones. Yes, good breeding, training and socializing are extremely important, but any dog can and may bite. That being said, if my Cavalier runs at you, he’s probably going to show you that he’s got a ball, and you can’t have it.
I don’t care if people want pet lions. The solution is the same: Charge owners as if they performed the actions of their animals.
Someone who thinks their sweet Fifi the Doberman wouldn’t hurt a fly would have to put themselves as much on the line as they put everyone else.
If you choose your pet incorrectly, or fail to control it, and it kills or harms someone, you are punished as if you did it yourself. Breeds that send their owners to jail will suddenly become very unpopular (and people who believe their breeds have an unfair bad rap should have nothing to fear).
The point is that people will not take full responsibility unless they have a dog in the fight…so to speak.
I have a question..if Pit Bulls are unpredicatble (which they have proven to be regardless of who the owner is, it is in their heritage from years of breeding for no good) then WHY OWN ONE!! I mean there are a GODZILLION breeds of dogs out there, why do you need a pit bull or Rotweiler? Do you need one that bad? To me, knowing the unpredictable nature of these “pets” that it is very irresponsible of parents with small kids to own one.
And as far as comparing a Schitzu with a pit bull..PUHHHHLLLLEAAASE!!
For along time as a child the people who lived across the street from us had a house full of pit bulls. They rarely came out of the house, but one day I was selling girl guide cookies and went there, and a little girl answered the door. Whiel the door was open, one of the dogs came up to it, and the little girl told me to run, she was terrified, so naturally I became terrified and ran home, the dog chased me, and I fell in the street and then the parents of the kid and dog came out and got him before he could really do anything to me. Now I don’t know if that dog really would have, or if he only came running because I started running. But the parent’s obviously taught their kid that the dog was dangerous to other people.
Some time later the dogs from that house got into a fight with each other, and I remember watching one owner grabbing one dog by the hind legs, trying to pull him off the other dog, but he was clamped on so tight that it wasn’t working, so the other owner hit the dog with a wooden board.
One of the same dogs also attacked my dog, who was very lucky because she has so much ruff fur that the dog didn’t grab anything more than fluff or else she’d probably be dead. That dog attacked 2 more people the same day and was put down.
Dogs certainly have instincts that are hard to train out of them, but there are a lot of stupid people out there with dogs that are picked for their agressive behaviour. You can’t assume that people with historically aggressive breeds are training them properly. Nor can you assume that people with popular family style breeds are doing any better. If you can, judge the dog based on your perception of the owner’s personality and temper, not on the breed.
again PAS, this is the owner’s fault. The dogs were not properly socialized as ANY dog should be. Also, Bobby, EVERY dog is unpredictable at times so don’t blame this on the pit bull.
This is the problem… uneducated people blaming a dog that less aggressive than a jack russell, chihuahua and cocker spaniel.
http://dogobedienceadvice.com/which_dog_br…
EDUCATE YOURSELVES!!!!!
A chihuahua can’t fit my kid’s head in it’s mouth.
http://www.dogguide.net/blog/2008/07/the-3…
check this out too
Just because a small dog doesn’t do as much damage as a larger dog COULD, doesn’t make it less aggressive or less dangerous.
I tend to agree with your comment about proper training and I don’t think banning particular breeds is a good strategy. But, I would still rather be attacked by a chihuahua than a pitbull.
Here are a few insightful quotes from Wikipedia:
“The CDC supports the position that irresponsible owners, not breed, are the chief cause of dog bites. They have done studies that indicate that the most “dangerous breed” of dog changes with popularity and reputation.”
“Furthermore, “pit bull-type” dogs encompasses several registered breeds and crossbreeds. Therefore, statistics that claim “Pit bulls” are responsible for some percentage of attacks are lumping many separate breeds together, rather than comparing that to other dogs that are counted as individual breeds.”
“Pit Bulls are said to be popular with irresponsible owners, who see these dogs as a symbol of status or machismo.[62] This type of owner may be less likely to socialize, train, or desex their pet. It is known that unneutered male dogs account for a disproportionate amount of all fatal dog attacks. Some say that many of those who do not believe in altering male dogs also believe that having and training an aggressive dog “goes with the territory,”[citation needed] so to speak. Irresponsible ownership can have a great impact on how a breed is represented in attack statistics[citation needed”
I love you too McGalye! 🙂
…and lukin77..and all the other people who dont buy into all this pitbull BS ;0
I find it funny that all you ppl come on here and talk out of your asses. Bobby33 I think you take number 1 spot. I have a 6 month old son and Rotti, a cocker, and a mixed breed. As any responsible parent I do not leave my son alone with any of my dogs even though I know that they will not hurt him. Even a small dog like my cocker could cause alot of damage to my son if he bite him. You talk about way would ppl want to own unpredicatble dogs, can you please show me a predicatble dog. How many ppl have been bite by grandmamas lap dog?? how many ppl have been bite by labs? so maybe we should just get rid of all dogs based on your theories. I agree with who ever wrote that dog owners should be held responsiable for what there dog does, than you will see all the ppl that should not own dogs leave dogs alone.
The problem is Chaos that yes..dog owners SHOULD be responsible. And I agree that ANY dog can bite and be unpredictable. What you can NOT refute is the fact that just by the mear nature of the breed., that a Pit Bull does MORE damage than ANY other dog when it attacks or bites. This is a known fact and is breed particular. So say what you want about a chihuaha or a poodle being unpredictable and biting (still laughing at whomever said that) but the eveidnce shows that no dog does more damage than a Pit Bull.
Lukin, you may have misunderstood me, as I said I think that all dogs have the capabilities to be mean or nice.
Even with my personal pit bull experience, I never blame the animal for the owners stupidity. However, it does say something that I have never had any agressive experiences with any other breed of dog. The problem really is that there are still too many stupid pit bull owners out there, so people are still experiencing negative situations with them, which casts a bad light on all pit bulls. And not enough of the friendly pit bulls are out sharing their wonderfullness with the world.
My comment was based more on Bobby33 than your comment. I mentioned that the owners did not socialize the dogs with people or animals and therefore would be more likely to chase someone.
As for you last comment Bobby, I agree with you that pitbulls can do more damage but the fact is, they are not as aggressive as everyone thinks. the problem is that the media tends to be drawn toward dog attacks and quickly labels the attacking dog a pitbull. there was a dog attack this winter that the media labeled a pitbull although it was a Valley Bulldog… This is why you people have these opinions on pitbulls.
Please check out the link i posted for find the pitbull… you’ll be surprised
While I focussed on breeds in my post on holding owners responsible (FULLY—as if they performed the assault/murder themselves), I take the point about care for the animals being a huge factor.
People will start showing up in jail in proportion to how much more dangerous a dog is if:
– it is not socialized properly
– it is not neutered (/spayed?)
– it is a breed inherently more likely to attack
– it is a larger/stronger breed
…and given this new level of personal responsibility, people will quickly find out what really matters as far as danger to others, and they be more likely to make good decisions about pets.
Lukin77,
I mention breed again because no matter how ornery a chihuahua gets, I can still punt it.
I wouldn’t say, point blank, that no-one is allowed to own a pit-bull. …but arguing for owning one on the basis of smaller/weaker dogs being just as unpredictable is like arguing for your young child having a shotgun. The kid would be no more likely to have a temper tantrum, but the results would be different.
My point with the chiuaua was that any dog regardless of breed can be tempremental and aggressive. A lot depends on the owner(s). OBVIOUSLY one cannot compare the damage done by a chiuaua to that of a pitt bull…the latter being much worse. And I agree Miles, I’d rather get attacked by a chiuaua than a pitt. Banning breeds is not a solution either. Bad owners make bad pets.
“but the eveidnce shows that no dog does more damage than a Pit Bull.”
Unbiased statistics, plz.
Where are you getting your information that pitbulls inflict more damage than other breeds of dog, SwampDonkey and People are Stupid? I’d really like to know becuase it’s bullshit. And pittbulls do not have locking jaws- that is a myth.
I think the question is: what people choose what dogs and why..and therein lies your answer……our selection is usually a reflection of ourselves….
If I had a dog I would pick a sheep dog like in Shaggy DA…..what does that say about me….that I like messy hair…. soft cuddly things that are playful…..they appear to be fam oriented and big silly goofs…..
ps. as for chihuahua……dang….they aint dogs …. they are annoying yappy incessant mosquitos with fur and BFES -bulging fugly eye syndrome…
Dogma, you want to see a dog owner in jail for not “fixing” the dog? Control FREAK much?
There are fewer smarter dogs than the pitbull, Bobby. Highly trainable, naturally protective, not too big, not too small, short hair… I could go on and on about why somebody would want to own one.
Anybody who thinks big dangerous dogs are just that consider we use the German Sheppard to rescue you, sniff out your dope, tackle a fleeing felon without killing him and, yes, as seeing-eye dogs managed by the blind!!!! OF COURSE dogs can be trained and of course we can expect that training to stick throughout the entirety of the animal’s life. Ever wonder why a lap dog is not trained to lead the blind? Because they’re unpredictable and nervous.
Oh and mcgayle… (“baby daddy”? Speaks volumes.) You should look up what a sheep dog does when an intruder enters the house (nothing) and then look up what happens when the intruder tries to leave (far from nothing). Most sheppard’s exhibit this behavior so be prepared to train, train and train some more.
The fact of the matter is, EVERY dog can be dangerous on some level and you can’t put the blame on ANY particular breed of dog.
As a kid i was attacked by a Border Collie, Poodle and a Pomeranian. All attacks broke the skin and hurt like a fucking bitch. So ANY breed can be dangerous.
Kay, Dogma will correct me if I am wrong, but I think what he meant was, if a dog is more likely to be vicious when not neutered, that would factor in when considering how irresponsible and criminally negligent the owners of a violent dog are.
So you won’t go to jail for not neutering your dog. You would go to jail if you dog attacks someone. The severity of your punishment would be partly determined by how negligent you were in training/socializing the dog (neutering being one factor).
Lukin how did you manage to get attacked by 3 different dogs? Were your pockets stuffed with napkins full of mutton or something?
you’re a fuckin dumbass… they didn’t attack me at the same time
Drink 2 more coffee’s…
Their jaw strength is far greater than any other dog.
A Rottweiler will exert 800 pounds-per-square-inch jaw pressure and a Bull Terrier will exert 1200psi. A Pit Bull will exert more than 2000 psi.
They can literally sever limbs.
Unlike German Shepherds, which lock their jaws, Pit Bulls move their back molars once they have bitten. Their lower jaw scissors back & forth to sever flesh from the bone.
http://www.edba.org.au/courier.html
Miles (from home),
What you describe could be a good approach, but I think I am going for something stronger. I very much meant “as if they performed the assault/murder themselves”.
Basically, I am talking about treating a dog attack the same way an accidental shooting is treated. Both cases involve someone knowingly setting up the conditions for the harm to take place.
In the case of a death, there would be no first or second degree murder charge, obviously, but a manslaughter one might fit.
…or maybe a charge of criminal negligence would be right, and you have my idea right. Again, I would just want to make sure it’s on par with how other ways of inflicting harm are dealt with. I just do not want there to be an extra excuse available to the owner along the lines of “It’s an animal. I can’t control it.” I say ‘no way’. That’s a risk the person knew about before deciding to adopt the animal. You can certainly control owning a dog.
What WOULD the charge be for a fatal accidental shooting, anyway?
…and right now what would happen to a person whose dog killed someone?
Come to think of it…just for fun: How about motor vehicle deaths. What are the penalties there?
One does not require training to have a pet pooch (one does not require training to have kids either). There’s no “negligence” if there’s no training presumed. If we’re to hold owners responsible for a death caused by their pooch as a result of “negligence” then we can logically hold parents responsible when their children cause a death. Only if you want to live in a free country is it a conundrum.
I have no problem with parents being responsible for the actions of their children. In that case, though, the child can share in the blame because both the parent and child are thinking people.
Also, we could get into the issue that children are necessary but pets are not, so it makes sense for society to make accommodations for them.
I’m sorry OP, did you just sit there and say “Your dog is out of control! You better fix that problem before I do”?
Wow, rather than actually calling Animal control and Police and demanding the dog be taken away, you just sat there and said “Your dog is out of control! You better fix that problem before I do”, instead of actually doing something?!.. wow!
Dogma, “the child can share in the blame because both the parent and child are thinking people”
the parent responsible for what, exactly? maybe we’re talking about a son killing his father. You’re going to hold the surviving parent responsible? Better re-think that position before you grow up and have kids.